Home
TAKE IT LIKE A MAN

Primary links

  • About
    • $upport (lol)
    • Ethics
    • FAQ
    • Privacy Policy
  • Contact
  • BlogPoll
    • Join
    • Blogpoll Editorial Guy @ CBS
    • Votes By Blog
    • Votes By Team
    • Voting Philosophy
    • Links For Voters
  • MGoStore
  • MGoBoard
  • Useful Stuff
    • 2011 Recruiting Board
    • 2010 Recruiting Board
    • Crude Bug Tracking System
    • Depth Chart By Class
    • MGoBoard FAQ
    • Third Down Stats
    • Diaries, Windows Live Writer, And You
Home Diaries gsimmons85's blog

User login

  • Create new account
  • Request new password

MGoElsewhere

  • Brian @ TSB
  • Brian @ Bucknuts
  • Hail To The Victors 2009
  • Facebook profile
  • MGoKindle Store
  • @MGoBlog (Twitter)
  • mgo.licio.us
  • RSS Feed
  • Brian @ AOL [Archive]

sportsbook

Michigan Blogs

  • Big House Blog
  • Bo Schemblogger
  • Brice's Recruiting
  • Genuinely Sarcastic
  • Go Blue Michigan Wolverine
  • In Rod We Trust
  • MGoBlue Football
  • MGoFootball
  • MVictors
  • Maize 'n' Blue Nation
  • Maize 'n' Brew
  • Maize And Go Blue
  • Michigan Football Recruiting
  • Michigan Football Saturdays
  • Michigan Hockey Net
  • Michigan Sports Center
  • Ron Bellamy's Underachieving All Stars
  • Spawn of M Zone
  • The Blog That Yost Built
  • The Game
  • The Hoover Street Rag
  • The Wolverine Blog
  • UMGoBlog
  • UMHoops
  • UMTailgate
  • Varsity Blue
  • Wolverine Liberation Army

M On The Net

  • mgovideo
  • MGoBlue.com
  • Mike DeSimone
  • Recruiting Planet
  • The Wolverine
  • Go Blue Wolverine
  • Winged Helmet
  • UMGoBlue.com
  • MaizeRage.org
  • Puckhead
  • The M Den
  • True Blue Fan Forum

Big Ten Blogs

  • Illinois
    • Illinitalk
    • Illini Basketball Fans
    • Illinois Baseball Report
    • Illinois Loyalty
  • Indiana
    • Inside The Hall
    • The Hoosier Report
    • Behind The Plate
    • Cannot Falter
  • Iowa
    • Black Heart, Gold Pants
  • Michigan State
    • The Only Colors
  • Minnesota
    • GopherHole.com
    • The Daily Gopher
    • Buck Bravo
    • TNABACG
  • Northwestern
    • Lake The Posts
  • Notre Dame
    • ND Choo Choo
    • The House Rock Built
    • The Blue-Gray Sky
  • Ohio State
    • We Will Always Have Tempe
    • Buckeye Commentary
    • Eleven Warriors
    • Jim Tressel's Head
    • Men of the Scarlet and Gray
    • Our Honor Defend
    • The Buckeye Nine
  • Penn State
    • Black Shoe Diaries
    • Happy Valley Hardball
    • Penn State Clips
    • Linebacker U
    • Nittany White Out
  • Purdue
    • Boiled Sports
    • Hammer and Rails
  • Wisconsin
    • Bruce Ciskie

Links of Note

  • Baseball
    • Big Ten Hardball
    • College Baseball Today
    • The Baseball Zealot
    • The College Baseball Blog
  • Basketball
    • Ken Pomeroy
    • Basketball Prospectus
    • Midmajority
  • College Hockey
    • Chris Heisenberg
    • College Hockey Stats
    • Inside College Hockey
    • Michigan College Hockey
    • Hockey's Future
    • Sioux Sports
    • USCHO
    • Western College Hockey
    • CCHA
      • LSSU Hockey
      • Bronco Hockey Blog
  • Football
    • Every Day Should Be Saturday
    • Doctor Saturday
    • CFB Stats
    • Harold Stassen
    • NCAA D-I Stats Page
    • The Wizard Of Odds
  • General
    • Sports Central
  • Local Interest
    • The Ann Arbor Chronicle
    • Arborwiki
    • Arbor Update
    • Teeter Talk
    • Vacuum
  • Teams Of The D
    • Lions
      • Pride of Detroit
      • Fire Millen
    • Pistons
      • Detroit Bad Boys
      • Need4Sheed
    • Tigers
      • Roar Of The Tigers
      • The Detroit Tigers Weblog
      • The Daily Fungo
    • Red Wings
      • On The Wings
      • Behind The Jersey
      • Winging It In Motown
    • Michigan Sports Forum

Archive

  • March 2010 (39)
  • February 2010 (70)
  • January 2010 (76)
  • December 2009 (63)
  • November 2009 (96)
  • October 2009 (107)
  • September 2009 (132)
  • August 2009 (94)
  • July 2009 (56)
  • June 2009 (42)
  •  
  • 1 of 7
  • ››

Get Yer Tickets

Visit Sports-Gambling.com, your online Gambling Sports site for live Super Bowl Odds , NFL Odds, College Football Bowls games odds and much more!

Expert Sports Handicappers

Click here to check out some of the best online casino sites & US casinos online!

CFB Betting Odds

Get free Michigan Wolverine college football predictions and NCAA basketball picks.

For the best football picks and online football betting information visit BangTheBook.com

Get great Michigan college football tickets for an amazing price from OnlineSeats. We have every team and every sport, including Tigers tickets.



Sports Betting Lines: Betting on All Sports: Real sports betting action. Try LinesMaker.com for free sports betting lines updated in real time. Massive free sports bets and cash bonuses for new members. Sign up for free!

Sports Betting Lines: Preview all sports betting lines and odds at LinesMaker! We have live betting odds and lines for all sports events. It doesn't get any better than this: Sportsbetting3.com offers the best college football betting and pro football NFL betting. Like casino games? Discover the best online casinos at the top casino site, Plazacasinos.com

Check out the Penn State preview. Get free College Football Picks from the National Sports Advisors.

Get free College basketball Picks and basketball odds at Doc's Sports.

Have a fantasy league? You can find quality Trophies for every sport at Lamb Awards.

Fooball Betting from Bet Vega.

TheSeats.com has tickets for all your NCAA football favorites like the Michigan Wolverines, Nebraska Cornhuskers, Wisconsin Badgers, Rose Bowl tickets and many more!

Beveled Guilt

Site Search

Diaries

  • New
  • Popular
  • Hot
  • RAWK & RULE Issue 1 Vol. 1
    BleedingBlue - 4 hours ago
  • Another uninformed Dorsey/Ann Arbor.com comment
    bronxblue - 1 day ago
  • The New Michigan Era Has Just Begun....
    MidnightBlue - 2 days ago
  • Big Ten Recruiting Class Rankings 3-15
    Tim - 2 days ago
  • Lax: Weekend Wrapup... AND MORE!
    Tim - 3 days ago
  •  
  • 1 of 325
  • ››
more
  • Another uninformed Dorsey/Ann Arbor.com comment
    bronxblue - 5,552 views
  • Chris Rock - Post Visit Update
    TomVH - 4,849 views
  • The New Michigan Era Has Just Begun....
    MidnightBlue - 3,756 views
  • Big Ten Recruiting Class Rankings 3-15
    Tim - 2,853 views
  • Lax: Weekend Wrapup... AND MORE!
    Tim - 1,733 views
  •  
  • 1 of 2
  • ››
more
  • Poll:Favorite Michigan Football Road Uniform
    steve sharik - 71 comments
  • Another uninformed Dorsey/Ann Arbor.com comment
    bronxblue - 68 comments
  • UConn, last year and this year
    chunkums - 50 comments
  • Lax: Weekend Wrapup... AND MORE!
    Tim - 41 comments
  • Chris Rock - Post Visit Update
    TomVH - 33 comments
  •  
  • 1 of 3
  • ››
more

MGoBoard

  • New
  • Recent
  • Hot
  • Tom
  • Does the 2011 Night Game w/ND herald ND's entrance into the Big Ten (11)[12]?
    4 replies
  • What is the big announcement at 2:30?
    20 replies
  • OT: Chatroulette Piano Improv
    1 replies
  • Prediction: Who to be first RichRod Wolverine to truly make it in the NFL?
    28 replies
  • OT: RIP Alex Chilton
    8 replies
  • Tebow Invited to NFL Draft
    15 replies
  • Night Game at UM in 2011 - Done Deal!!!
    40 replies
  • March Madness Open thread
    27 replies
  • MI HS kid breaks backboard
    9 replies
  • Good News: Basketball is profitable at UM - something to be proud of...I guess
    21 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 28
  • ››
  • What is the big announcement at 2:30?
    20 replies
  • Does the 2011 Night Game w/ND herald ND's entrance into the Big Ten (11)[12]?
    4 replies
  • Prediction: Who to be first RichRod Wolverine to truly make it in the NFL?
    28 replies
  • Tebow Invited to NFL Draft
    15 replies
  • Night Game at UM in 2011 - Done Deal!!!
    40 replies
  • March Madness Open thread
    27 replies
  • OT: Chatroulette Piano Improv
    1 replies
  • Question re: watching Michigan football abroad
    17 replies
  • OT: RIP Alex Chilton
    8 replies
  • Interesting article on the seedy underbelly of NCAA bball
    15 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 28
  • ››
  • Michigan Hating God
    186 replies
  • stop freaking out about the buzzer beater loss, please
    143 replies
  • OT: Absolute Favorite Bottled Beer?
    141 replies
  • GAME TIME BABY
    111 replies
  • OT Your Favorite songs from musicals?
    104 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 55
  • ››
  • "And thanks Demar, I'll see you here shortly. No need to bring your crowbar."
    76 replies
  • Nike Indoor Nationals (Track) - Delonte Hollowell
    9 replies
  • Night of Champions: Who made the trip?
    3 replies

mgo.licio.us

Football betting

If you're looking for online football betting, look no further! Party Bets is safe, fast and secure.

NCAA basketball odds

Get live NCAA basketball odds from multiple sportsbooks at OddsShark.com

new spread offense, copied from my blog

By gsimmons85 — July 24th, 2008 at 8:55 PM — 18 comments
Filed under:
  • football
  • none
  • plays
The next generation spread...A-11 Apparently a local team is going to unveil its new spread offense this year in scrimmage http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=825031. It remains to be seen how NCHSAA is going to see this. A team last year tried to run something similar, the problem is with the eligible number rule. On normal plays, you have to have at least 5 ineligible numbers on the field. Now you can line them up in different places, but there has to be five. Last year it was illegal, at least in our game (we shut that team out, so they were trying to catch us by suprise) How this offense is claiming to be legal is because of the free kick rule. By putting one more than 7 yards back they say they are in a free kick formation. All can be eligible numbers in that formation. http://www.humphinternet.com/A11/pdf/A11ApprovalProcess.pdf this is the website for the new offense. http://a11offense.com/ We shall see how it plays out. later G
  • gsimmons85's blog
  • Login or register to post comments
  • ShareThis

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Posted on: July 25th, 2008 at 3:59 PM #1
SJUblue
Joined: 2008-07-01
Points: 338
Offline
Nigel Tufnel says
This offense goes to 11.
  • Login or register to post comments
Posted on: July 25th, 2008 at 12:47 PM #2
BarwisMMA4Life
Joined: 2008-07-16
Points: 2
Offline
"Spin" Offense
You might be referring to the variant of the Single-Wing called the "Single-Wing with the Spinning Fullback" which is much more akin to Wing-T blocking concepts and the idea of "hiding" the ball from the defense by the player taking the snap turning around and shielding view of the ball from the defense. Single-wing concepts are incorporated into most spread offenses especially ones with bigger QBs like Tim Tebow. See the article I wrote for SMQ: http://www.sundaymorningqb.com/story/2008/2/28/131454/592 Check this video of some old-school Michigan single-winging (from Coach Hugh Wyatt of Camas, WA): http://homepage.mac.com/coachhw/iMovieTheater9.html
  • Login or register to post comments
Posted on: July 25th, 2008 at 3:06 PM #3
gsimmons85
gsimmons85's picture
Joined: 2008-06-30
Points: 698
Offline
wake forest
with their orbit motion, is the same concept of using your body to shield the fake.  There are versions of the single wing still in excistence in highschool football.   And the power I football game, is really the step-child of the single wing.  It is becoming easier to programs to draft athletes and turn them into running qb's that they can teach to throw a little,  as opposed to trying to create, and mold a real drop back  QB.  I see the college game changing to the point where NFL qb's become harder and harder to find...  

www.gsimmons85.blogspot.com

  • Login or register to post comments
Posted on: July 25th, 2008 at 12:34 PM #4
BarwisMMA4Life
Joined: 2008-07-16
Points: 2
Offline
Don't Buy It!
Offensive football rules have swung too far towards passing, and this is one of the final overreaches that will swing things back to a more manageable equilibrium in High School football. The NCAA, to its credit, dealt with this in its rules a long time ago. The "Scrimmage Kick" rule that allows for substitution of ineligible numbered (read: big, slow) players off for a punt formation was edited when college coaches started exploiting the rule as well. The edit: eligible jersey numbered players (1-49, 80-99) were only allowed in the interior five of a scrimmage kick formation (direct snap deeper than 7 yards) in "a kicking situation clearly exists (i.e. 4th down, punter substitution)." Expect the NFHS and other governing bodies to adjust. The Notre Dame Box offense utilized a similar exploit: shifting just before the snap to change the side of the strength in the single wing offense (read: having 7 players on one side, suddenly changing to the other, and snapping the ball near simultaneously). This offense does a similar trick only with who is going to be an eligible receiver at the start of the play. I would not stake the future of a program or season on this offense.
  • Login or register to post comments
Posted on: July 25th, 2008 at 9:39 AM #5
magonus
Joined: 2008-07-05
Points: 20
Offline
I appear to be alone here,
I appear to be alone here, but I like the idea. For all of those saying it goes against the spirit of the rules/game, isn't that what was once said of the forward pass? It's innovative. Originally the coach implemented it because most of the schools in their league were twice their size and he wanted to try to even the playing field. Apparently he's had some success, we'll see if that continues or if opposing coaches have figured it out. But it's a great way to utilize the talent that he has. I personally like the idea of Rich Rod running it, given our issues on the offensive line.   Edit: I just read that it's illegal in NCAA football.  There is wording in the rule regarding the special kick formation that this formation employes stating that "It must be obvious that a kick has at least been attempted."  If high school sports bodies wish to make this formation illegal, adding this phrase would be the simplest method.
  • Login or register to post comments
Posted on: July 25th, 2008 at 9:24 AM #6
Tim Waymen
Tim Waymen's picture
Joined: 2008-06-30
Points: 2901
Offline
I don't like it
Now I am no expert on the game, but I guess I don't see how it's not illegal. Still, I agree that it takes away from the spirit of the game. It essentially turns the game into backyard tackle football where everyone is eligible. I doubt it would work past the HS level. I think that one way of remedying it is to make a rule where you can only designate a maximum number of eligible receivers in each set of downs i.e. only these players can receive the ball within each set of downs. It sounds like a stupid idea by me. It doesn't affect the formation because how do you know which guys are chosen as eligible? Does it have to announced? For one thing, it takes away the possibility of some trick plays. Or maybe designate ineligible receivers. Make a rule that only one lineman can be eligible should the coach so choose. I'm just throwing ideas out there, but they would take away from the basic rules of football. Re: innovative offenses, I read something somewhere about a "spin offense." Have you heard of such a thing, gsims? Also, the worst, sneakiest trick play out there that I've seen has to be the "wrong ball" trick. It's a cheap, cheap way of playing. I don't get how a coach gets any satisfaction out of winning that way.

Ann Arbor is a classy broad.

"Get off my plane!" - Ricky Stanzi, Air Force One 2

  • Login or register to post comments
Posted on: July 25th, 2008 at 9:37 AM #7
cfaller96
cfaller96's picture
Joined: 2008-06-30
Points: 636
Offline
From a rules perspective
I'd want to defer towards keeping things simple, and I'd be worried about putting in extra complicated subrules just to ban a quirky formation/offense.  Safety and Equity should be the priorities when it comes to creating and changing rules- rules should be put into effect to ensure safety and fairness, and little else.  As long as the offense isn't endangering players (which I haven't heard detractors claim), and as long as it's not making the game unfair (which is at most debatable), then I don't see the problem here. According to gsimmons, the offense is not necessarily effective, and I agree.  It doesn't look unstoppable to me, because there does seem to be a "cost" to this offense (e.g. 1 QB 7 yards behind LOS, are you kidding me?).  So I question how "unfair" A-11 supposedly is.  And I have yet to hear anyone say that this endangers players (because if that's so, then pretty much ALL free kick formations are dangerous).  Soooo...what's the problem again, in terms of the rules?

The Wolverine Liberation Army- saving Michigan fans one dick joke at a time.

  • Login or register to post comments
Posted on: July 25th, 2008 at 9:07 AM #8
cfaller96
cfaller96's picture
Joined: 2008-06-30
Points: 636
Offline
What's the intent behind the eligibility #s?
As I understand it, the controversy around this offense is that it uses a loophole in the rules to bypass requirements for 5 players to have non-eligible numbers (and to be non-eligible). I get the requirement to have 5 non-eligible receivers, but what is the spirit of the rule in making sure certain numbers are ineligible? Why the hell should coaches, players, fans, officials care if your jersey # is high/low/whatever? Don't we only care about making sure about the correct number of bodies on the line? This reminds me of lacrosse, in that the #s don't matter, only the number of the players behind/in front of the midfield line. Often in a game a defensive player would go on a breakaway, and it was the responsibility of one of us middies to stay behind the line, raise our stick (so the official could see no one was offsides), and wait for the D guy to come back.  No one cared or might consider it "illegal" if a longstick defenseman was running around on the offense, as long as the cost of that was a shortstick being held back on defense.  The kind of player didn't matter in lacrosse. I've got no problem with this offense. As long as the quantity of players on the line are right, then I don't think we should care if it's the right kind of players on the line. But maybe I'm missing something.

The Wolverine Liberation Army- saving Michigan fans one dick joke at a time.

  • Login or register to post comments
Posted on: July 24th, 2008 at 11:12 PM #9
Topher
Joined: 2008-07-05
Points: 1282
Offline
As a once and future coach
As a once and future coach but more importantly an academician of the game, this A-11 offense and its smarmy coach really ticks me off. It takes advantage of a help-you-out rule in a way it was never designed for. The free-kick jersey rule was to allow kids to get a chance to play special teams on the line without having to wear pullover jerseys making them statutory linemen. (The way the A-11 works is that it shuffles these players before the ball is snapped, meaning that any player coming out of the huddle might end up on the end of the line and thus eligible.)  I'm all for coaches thinking "outside the box," but football standardized receiver eligibility 80 years ago. My guess is the abuse of said rule will lead to its repeal or control in the NFHS, which hurts young players and the occasional washed-up senior whose only contribution might be in the punt formation. That will be sad, but the price must be paid for playing outside the spirit of the rules. I do wonder how effective the offense can be in the long term. Piedmont had a good year but who knows who they played, and talent if they have it (as Jill suggests they do) makes any  offense look like a genius scheme. I also question how you can toughen up your team to play defense when your offense is playing flag football all practice (gsimmons, you might have more to say on that.) Recall that one of Bo's benefits to a strong running offense was nastifying his defense during the week. I love that we're talking this sort of stuff on mgoblog! 
  • Login or register to post comments
Posted on: July 24th, 2008 at 11:33 PM #10
gsimmons85
gsimmons85's picture
Joined: 2008-06-30
Points: 698
Offline
Topher
You are right, i dont like it.  There are many other drawbacks as well.  Like i said Reidsville is going to be running it here this year, ill let you know what the verdict is.  Eligiblity is very different from highschool to college to nfl, as far as forward pases.  As a defensive coach the more difficult the offense the better the challenge,  When Smith was trying to do it to us last year, i was yelling at the refs, to let em play, we'll stop em.  I called the kids over to tell them how they are so sure they cant move the ball on us that they are going to a gemic offense.  Play your responsiblity, make your formation adjustments and play the play.   We beat them 34-0. ITs against the spirit of the rule, and states will probably deal with it on a state by state basis.  Jill if there is anything i can help you guys with, let me know....   every coach is a theif, and id be happy to share...  

www.gsimmons85.blogspot.com

  • Login or register to post comments
Posted on: July 25th, 2008 at 11:47 AM #11
Jill
Joined: 2008-07-02
Points: -6
Offline
Thanks for the offer to
Thanks for the offer to share! I have linked this, and Three and Out to one of our innovative coaches! He said they are using the Delaware Winged T this year, and said it's described on the jetsweep.com website.  He coaches the D, and a great guy!
  • Login or register to post comments
Posted on: July 25th, 2008 at 12:17 PM #12
gsimmons85
gsimmons85's picture
Joined: 2008-06-30
Points: 698
Offline
just let me know Jill
We are runnign the wing-t this year as well.  We have a wing-t spread hybrid,  but with our senior qb gone, and a great backfield and oline returning,  we will be wing-t all the way.  But i try to stay out of that offensive whimpy stuff.

www.gsimmons85.blogspot.com

  • Login or register to post comments
Posted on: July 25th, 2008 at 7:14 AM #13
dex
dex's picture
Joined: 2008-06-30
Points: 2681
Offline
I saw this offense posted on
I saw this offense posted on another board where some guy thought RichRod should try to implement it at Michigan. Now, correct me if I'm wrong GSimms, but isn't the type of offense that might catch a team off guard once - but get shut down by any good defensive coach with no problem? This seems so one-dimensional it's ridiculous. And again, maybe I'm off base, but if you tried this crap against a D1 college team, would the QB even survive the first series?  Basically, what I'm saying is I would have rather shoved a pencil up my dick than play this kind of offense. 

great and omniscient Grand Poobah of the WLA

  • Login or register to post comments
Posted on: July 24th, 2008 at 10:19 PM #14
gsimmons85
gsimmons85's picture
Joined: 2008-06-30
Points: 698
Offline
Its kind of
like air-force football if you ask me.... Thats what you play as kids throw it all over the place, everyone is legal, etc. I dont think its going to be legal at least for very long, if it does catch on. Its a loop-hole in the rules, and sorta goes against the letter of the law. But you never know, offense sells tickets, so maybe the powers that be will let it slide, and it will be the new triple option forward pass spread offense progression.

www.gsimmons85.blogspot.com

  • Login or register to post comments
Posted on: July 24th, 2008 at 10:34 PM #15
Jill
Joined: 2008-07-02
Points: -6
Offline
. . . so don't throw out the
. . . so don't throw out the variations of the T formation just yet? Our district is small, poor, and up against the big guys like Piedmont, CA . Wishful thinking on my part  . . .  thanks G.
  • Login or register to post comments
Posted on: July 24th, 2008 at 10:43 PM #16
gsimmons85
gsimmons85's picture
Joined: 2008-06-30
Points: 698
Offline
jill
look it up,  look into it.  Maybe you can catch some people off guard with it.  I owuldnt say it will even the playing field though,  not unless you have a ton of athletes and 2 good qb's....    

www.gsimmons85.blogspot.com

  • Login or register to post comments
Posted on: July 24th, 2008 at 11:02 PM #17
Jill
Joined: 2008-07-02
Points: -6
Offline
Thanks. I'm on it! We've got
Thanks. I'm on it! We've got tons of athletic kids and a 17 game losing streak to conquer. Doesn't get much worse than that . . . BUT, we just landed a new AD, fresh perspective and a desire to shake things up a bit . . . a closer look at the A-11 surely couldn't hurt. BTW, thanks for Three and Out! Great reading!
  • Login or register to post comments
Posted on: July 24th, 2008 at 10:11 PM #18
Jill
Joined: 2008-07-02
Points: -6
Offline
gsimmons opinion?
I'm interested to hear your opinion. The A-11 offense website is selling how-to videos and manuals. Does anyone think its worth the investment for a High School program?
  • Login or register to post comments
Powered by Drupal, an open source content management system
Theme provided by Roopletheme; sidebars adapted from Chris Murphy.