Is Nebraska Dipping into the B1G Territory for Recruits Now?

Submitted by maizeonblueaction on

Someone suggested I do this, I have some free time, and there were one too many posts about MSU for my liking, even if it is the offseason, so here is a new question: Is Nebraska recruiting the Midwest better after joining the B1G? I think the overall impression is yes, though as we saw, A&M simply started recruiting the plains better, and doesn't seem to be getting kids from SEC states yet, and vice versa. Anyway, here is 2010, before the conference switch:

Lavonte David
Fort Scott, KSFort Scott C.C.
Plains
Jermarcus Hardrick
Fort Scott, KSFort Scott C.C.
Plains
Braylon Heard
Youngstown, OHCardinal Mooney
Midwest
Chase Harper
Corsicana, TXNavarro J.C.
Plains
Brion Carnes
Bradenton, FLManatee
 
Corey Cooper
Maywood, ILProviso East
Midwest
Chase Rome
Columbia, MORock Bridge
Plains
Andrew Rodriguez
Aurora, NEAurora
Plains
Donovan Vestal
Arlington, TXBowie
Plains
Mike Moudy
Castle Rock, CODouglas County
Plains
Quincy Enunwa
Moreno Valley, CARancho Verde
 
Kenny Bell
Boulder, COFairview
Plains
Ciante Evans
Arlington, TXJuan Seguin
Plains
Harvey Jackson
Missouri City, TXHightower
Plains
Joshua Mitchell
Corona, CAEleanor Roosevelt
 
Jay Guy
Aldine, TXEisenhower
 
Walker Ashburn
River Ridge, LAJohn Curtis
 
Tobi Okuyemi
Plymouth, MNWayzata
Midwest
Tyler Evans
Waverly, NEWaverly
Plains
Bronson Marsh
Omaha, NEMillard South
Plains
Jake Cotton
Lincoln, NESoutheast
Plains
Stanley Jean-Baptiste
Fort Scott, KSFort Scott C.C.
Plains

3 kids from traditional B1G territory, 14 from the old Big 12, 22 kids total

2011:

Aaron Green
San Antonio, TXJames Madison
Plains
Tyler Moore
Clearwater, FLCountryside
 
Ryan Klachko
Springfield, ILSacred Heart Griffin
Midwest
Todd Peat Jr.
Tempe, AZCorona Del Sol
 
Charles Jackson
Klein, TXKlein Collins
Plains
Jamal Turner
Arlington, TXSam Houston
Plains
Zach Sterup
Hastings, NEHastings St Cecilia
Plains
Bubba Starling
Gardner, KSGardner Edgerton
Plains
Daimion Stafford
Rancho Cucamonga, CAChaffey C.C.
 
David Santos
Klein, TXKlein Collins
Plains
Ryne Reeves
Crete, NECrete
Plains
Joseph Carter
Rancho Cucamonga, CAChaffey C.C.
 
Ameer Abdullah
Homewood, ALHomewood
 
Kevin Williams
Holland, OHSpringfield
Midwest
Max Pirman
Orrville, OHOrrville
Midwest
Taariq Allen
Weston, MARivers School
 
Givens Mordi Price
Houston, TXAlief Taylor
Plains
Daniel Davie
Beatrice, NEBeatrice
Plains
Mauro Bondi
Boca Raton, FLWest Boca Raton
 
David Sutton
Lincoln, NESoutheast
Plains

3 from the B1G territory, 10 from the old Big 12 territory, 20 kids total.

2012:

Mohammed Seisay
Thatcher, AZEastern Arizona J.C.
 
Greg McMullen
Akron, OHHoban
Midwest
Zaire Anderson
Riverside, CARiverside C.C.
 
Jordan Westerkamp
Lombard, ILMontini
Midwest
Paul Thurston
Arvada, COArvada West
Plains
Alonzo Moore
Winnfield, LAWinnfield Senior
 
Imani Cross
Gainesville, GANorth Hall
 
Tommy Armstrong
Cibolo, TXSteele
Plains
Jared Afalava
South Jordan, UTBingham
 
Vincent Valentine
Edwardsville, ILEdwardsville
Midwest
Avery Moss
Tempe, AZCorona Del Sol
 
Michael Rose
Kansas City, MORockhurst
Plains
LeRoy Alexander
Toledo, OHWhitmer
Midwest
Aaron Curry
Keller, TXFossil Ridge
Plains
Thomas Brown
Gardena, CAJunipero Serra
 
Sam Cotton
Lincoln, NESoutheast
Plains
Corey Whitaker
Murrieta, CAVista Murrieta
 

4 from the Midwest, 5 from the Plains, 17 kids total

2013:

Terrell Newby
West Hills, CAChaminade
 
Josh Banderas
Lincoln, NELincoln Southwest
Plains
Adam Taylor
Katy, TXKaty
Plains
Marcus Newby
North Potomac, MDQuince Orchard
 
Randy Gregory
Yuma, AZArizona Western C.C.
 
Nathan Gerry
Sioux Falls, SDWashington
Plains
David Knevel
Brantford, OntarioPauline Johnson Collegiate
 
Matt Finnin
Glen Ellyn, ILCollege of DuPage
Midwest
Zach Hannon
Kansas City, MORockhurst
Plains
Johnny Stanton
Rancho Santa Margarita, CASanta Margarita Catholic
 
Maliek Collins
Kansas City, MOCenter
Plains
Tre'vell Dixon
Baldwin, LAWest St Mary School
 
A.J. Natter
Milton, WIMilton
Midwest
Dimarya Mixon
Mesquite, TXWest Mesquite
Plains
Courtney Love
Youngstown, OHCardinal Mooney
Midwest
Kevin Gladney
Akron, OHFirestone Senior
Midwest
Kevin Maurice
Orlando, FLFreedom
 
Cethan Carter
Metairie, LARummel
 
Boaz Joseph
Weston, FLCypress Bay
 
Greg Hart
Dayton, OHArchbishop Alter
Midwest
Chongo Kondolo
Fresno, CAFresno City C.C.
 
Dwayne Johnson
Houston, TXBellaire
Plains
Ernest Suttles
Tampa, FLGaither
 
Drake Martinez
Laguna Beach, CALaguna Beach
 
Gabriel Miller
Mishawaka, INPenn
Midwest

6 from the Midwest, 7 from the Plains, 25 total

So, as we can see, Nebraska went from a little over 10% from the Midwest before switching, and is up to about 25% now, which makes sense now that they play in this area a lot more, and are starting to recruit more heavily there. Obviously, there were not a ton of kids in Nebraska to begin with, so the effect on the rest of the conference would be be less about us getting more kids from that area. It also means getting kids from the Plains is harder for them, as about 2/3 of their early classes were Plains kids, and it's down to maybe 1/4 now. Again, this makes sense, as they are getting less exposure now in that region and playing less games close to kids there. 

So, that's all about what we would expect. However, for a little baseless speculation and a possible preview of a future diary, it seems that they are still having a hard time getting the best Midwestern kids, as those will still get snapped up by Michigan and Ohio, and even the slightly lower B1G East programs might offer a better package because at least the kids are closer to home. While they had that issue with Texas kids as well, with the new divisions, they will be playing fewer games against the Eastern powers, and thus even less exposure in that area. While Nebraska is the premier program in its area, there just aren't that many players there, and they don't seem to be having much luck. Basically, I am saying it seems Nebraska will have a hard time getting good players out of its old stomping grounds, and Texas is getting harder for them to recruit if they don't play teams there, and the Midwest as it is traditionally conceived is still far away for most recruits who might otherwise consider Nebraska, so in future years they might have a really hard time putting together a good class.

Comments

Geary_maize

May 28th, 2013 at 12:04 AM ^

Tom Osborne had only one worry about joining the Big Ten, and that was not being able to recruit Texas as well. Unfortunately, they really need to get a dynamite coach who can recruit and coach.

Marley Nowell

May 28th, 2013 at 12:14 AM ^

Nebraska should make it a point to schedule games against Texas teams so they can hold on to there.  I think if this decline conincides with Texas A&M which won't alst forever.

Vasav

May 28th, 2013 at 1:31 AM ^

As much as losing Texas hurts them, it's a little crazy how much losing the rest of the Big12 North hurts them. It makes sense considering that they lost annual matchups with the two large cities of Missouri - but it's just not something I really thought about. That being said, they will now be everpresent in Illinois, which should be just as good for them as Missouri was, and while the Texas recruits are dropping in number, they still had to get UT's, OU's and A&M's scraps from that state I imagine - not all that different from getting leftovers from Ohio, PA, and the less talent-rich Michigan, right? They've got just as much exposure in those states as they did in Texas (opposite division of same conference)?

Dale

May 28th, 2013 at 5:00 AM ^

This is interesting stuff and I have a couple follow up questions. 

You say that getting kids from the plains is getting harder for Nebraska, but it simply follows that getting more kids from the midwest means getting fewer from the plains. so without looking at the change in the ratings of the midwestern and plains kids respectively after nebraska joined the B1G. that would tell you if they are having a tougher time signing plains kids or simply replacing them with higher quality midwestern recruits.

Also, I think future years will actually be better for nebraska in midwest recruiting. high school players right now don't see nebraska as a traditional B1G opponent. but guys in middle school and younger will think of nebraska as part of the neighborhood and naturally be more interested. 

 

 

cm2010

May 28th, 2013 at 9:39 AM ^

just like they did under Osborne (Tommie Frazier, FL; Lawrence Phillips, CA). You'll notice a lot from those two states as well, especially in CA. A lot of parents feel comfortable sending their kids to Nebraska because they feel like they'll stay out of trouble there. 

ChicagoB1GRed

May 28th, 2013 at 10:07 AM ^

We've historically overperformed on the field compared to our recruiting ranking, even in our monster decade of the 90's. Typically, we've been between 15th and 25th. Pelini is averaging 24th.

See this link for details on the above:

http://hailvarsity.com/2013/01/a-brief-history-of-husker-recruiting-rankings-1987-2012/

Nebraska has always recruited nationally, since we don't have a home base to draw from. The focus has varied, whether it be California, New Jersey, Texas, etc. Now we're drawing more heavily from the B1G states.

Bottom line, despite recruiting handicaps vs Michigan and OSU, Nebraska always has competed quite well--look at the W/L since the sixties, or break it down by decade - and there's no reason to think that will change.

 

 

 

ChicagoB1GRed

May 28th, 2013 at 11:34 AM ^

 But one state's never been the key.

Don't know if I'd say we lost our footing in Texas. It's natural that we'd dip a bit there now and pick up in B1G territory. Last three years we've had 11 from Texas and 15 from the B1G. But in 2006, a year we played for the XII Title, we had 1 TX recruit. Like I said, certain states and regions ebb and flow, but that's part of the deal when you cast your net so wide.

I do think, as others have posted, that the trend towards early signing is Nebraska's latest recruiting challenge. But we've always managed to deal with our disadvantages. Still lots of really good players that want to play here.

Simps

May 29th, 2013 at 8:42 AM ^

I think the difference will be Osborne's coaching ability vs Pelini's. Tom Osborne was amazing at coaching up the talent he had, I have yet to see that from Pelini. Nebraska has great history, but currently I can't see a sustained run of B1G championship game appearances unless the West is as poor as it seems. Certainly anything is possible but I could never picture a Nebraska team with as poor a defense as they had last year.

maizeonblueaction

May 28th, 2013 at 12:35 PM ^

couldn't still have very good seasons. As others have said, even when they were extremely nationally successful, it wasn't based on having the best recruiting classes. I am mostly saying they seem to be in an in-between period now, in that their ability to recruit Texas is less, as well as other Plains states like Missouri (Kansas and Oklahoma really didn't have that much talent anyway), but they probably don't have as strong a foothold in the Midwest yet as they would like.

The other thing, which is neither here nor there, is that the East division actually has a ton more people than the West division (Michigan+Ohio+Pennsylvania+New Jersey+Maryland= ~45 million people, as opposed to Minnesota+Wisconsin+Nebraska+Illinois+Iowa= ~25 million people), so it's a problem the entire West will have to contend with in the next few years.

Yeoman

May 28th, 2013 at 1:25 PM ^

As an example, here's the breakdown of the 1971 NC team:

  • Nebraska 34
  • California 11
  • Michigan 6
  • Illinois 5
  • South Dakota 4
  • Pennsylvania 3
  • Kansas 3
  • Colorado 3
  • Iowa 2
  • Ohio 2
  • Arizona 2
  • New Jersey 2
  • Wisconsin 2
  • Minnesota 2
  • Vermont 1
  • North Dakota 1
  • Texas 1
  • Missouri 1
  • Wyoming 1
  • Wisconsin 1
  • Virginia 1

If you include the Dakotas, 64 of 88 players were from what is now the Big Ten. More than half of what I suppose you could consider "national recruits"--not from Nebraska or the Dakotas--were from what is now the Big Ten.

The core of that team was:

  • Larry Jacobson, DT, Outland Trophy winner, South Dakota
  • Rich Glover, NG, 1st team AA, New Jersey
  • Willie Harper, DE, 1st team AA, Ohio
  • Jeff Kinney, RB, 1st team AA, Nebraska
  • Johnny Rogers, WR, 1st team AA, Nebraska
  • Jerry Tagge, QB, 1st team AA, Wisconsin
  • Dick Rupert, G, 2nd team AA, California
  • Carl Johnson, T, 3rd team AA, Arizona

The all-Americans were three locals, two players from the core of the B1G, and three national recruits well outside their conference footprint. Willie Harper's HS coach at Toledo Scott was a Nebraska alum--this was long before the advent of recruiting rankings but he was probably a five-star. They weren't just getting scraps when they went to Ohio.

John Dutton turned out to be pretty good too; he also was from South Dakota. Other round 1-5 NFL draftees on the team were:

  • Monte Johnson, LB, Minnesota
  • Bill Olds, RB, Kansas
  • Doug Dumler, C, Illinois
  • Steve Manstedt, DE, Nebraska
  • Daryl White, G, New Jersey

Recruiting was much more local in those days--the point isn't so much the concentration of local Nebraska and Dakota kids (a glance at a Michigan roster from those days shows a whole lot of MI and OH) but that their out-of-area recruiting was focused on Big Ten turf, plus Cal and Arizona.

ChicagoB1GRed

May 28th, 2013 at 1:55 PM ^

I get info I didn't know about my own team, or about college football, or something non- sport related that's worth knowing.

Definitely, that was a different era. The game has changed so much. Everybody's on TV, more money, higher stakes, new style of play with different athletes, etc. But in a way it further proves my point: Nebraska figures out a way, and doesn't stay with what worked 40 years ago.

We'll have our new challenges, but we've been excellent too long, and CFB is too highly regarded in Nebraska, to stop us from dealing with the issues as they come up.

jmblue

May 29th, 2013 at 12:58 PM ^

One thing to note is that Pelini himself is a Midwest guy (from Ohio) so perhaps he simply doesn't have strong personal ties to Texas.  Note that they've landed a few guys from Youngstown, OH, which I believe is Pelini's hometown.  Personal connections are big.  Note that we didn't do a lot of recruiting in South Florida before we brought in RR, who had estabilshed ties there.  Now we have Hoke, a guy with deep Ohio roots, and we're pulling in a ton of recruits from there.

 

Michigan Arrogance

May 28th, 2013 at 6:22 PM ^

I think Neb is much better suited to benefit from their B10 membership than PSU was for 2 main reasons:

 

1) As our maize (NTM)-inclined firend pointed out, Neb has historically been more of a national recruiter out of necessity.

2) Relatedly, PSU had much more in-state talent which actually caused M, OSU, MSU and others to raid that talent hot bed of PA instead of what many is State College expected (which was the opposite). Neb doesn't really have any in state advantage, and thus can only gain exposure to the Midwest talent pool.

 

cm2010

May 28th, 2013 at 8:11 PM ^

The only B1G school I can think of that tries to poach from Nebraska is Iowa. There have been several that came from my high school in Omaha (Millard North) that chose to play at Iowa. Granted, many were during the Callahan era when he completely ignored high school football in the state. While Nebraska isn't a hotbed, there are good football players in the state, and they are all dying to play for the Huskers.

gwkrlghl

May 28th, 2013 at 10:43 PM ^

They really don't have a base for recruiting. It's going to be hard to sell Ohio, PA or Michigan now because now OSU, Michigan, Penn State and MSU are cross-division and Nebraska won't normally be in those states. Who does Nebraska sell to now? Best bet is Illinois players I'd guess

Conversely, this is going to help Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State a ton with east coast recruiting because 1) we keep the Michigan-Ohio-PA recruiting area AND 2) we acquire NJ, Maryland, and even Virginia. That's huge for us three.

And this may not be directly related, but we are having huge success in VA-MD-NJ lately. Just in the last 2 years we've landed Henry Poggi (MD) and Derrick Green (VA), we have a commitment from Wilton (VA), Jabrill (NJ) and JBB (NJ), and serious interest from Da'Shawn Hand (VA) and even Andrew Brown (#6 overall, VA). Realignment was extremely good for Michigan and Ohio State in terms of recruiting

NebraskaStudent

May 29th, 2013 at 12:41 AM ^

Pelini is from Ohio, with very strong ties still in the state.  He has seen some success recruiting the Youngstown area, and has put an emphasis on recruiting in the rust belt area.  One interesting thing to watch is with Nebraska's affordability and (relatively) easy access to Chicago (right down 1-80), the school has seen a large influx of kids from the city and surrounding suburbs.  I'm curious to see if that has any influence on student-athletes from that area, seeing as how they have nabbed 3 of them based on your current recruiting classes posted above.