Mason NEEDS this, Pistons, after all you've put him through
I would love us to go 9-3 but were still really young, going to be starting some new faces on D, not sure what G.Robinson will bring the table, I'm sure our Offense will be improved with all starters returning. If we can cut down on the turnover bug this year I can realisticly see us going 7-5 or 8-4 which is a vast improvement, and if we can pull off some upsets that would be sweet to.
I would love us to go 9-3 but were still really young, going to be starting some new faces on D, not sure what G.Robinson will bring the table, I'm sure our Offense will be improved with all starters returning. If we can cut down on the turnover bug this year I can realistically see us going 7-5 or 8-4 which is a vast improvement, and if we can pull off some upsets that would be sweet to.
How can you call the game against Purdue a future win if our defense still gives up more points than we score? An improved QB situation still doesn't address our problematic D. You even admit this yourself, that the difference was our lack of stopping them.
OZ23, you're doubling posting all over the place. One click is all it takes...
The Forcier hype is getting out of control; I think one poster called him the messiah. The kid will struggle in his first year due to the increased speed of the game, a huge, huge increase in the level of competition compared to his high school days, and the fact that our offense is only in year 2 of Rod's system.
NO! This will NOT happen! He is the Messiah, Johova, Hossana and the Lama all rolled into one...right?
Sometimes you get John Navarre.
Sometimes you get Rick Leach.
Freshman qb's who have something to rest on (a good offensive line, strong tailbacks, an excellent receiving corps, and a defense that gives him room for error) can most certainly excel.
Do we have those things? Eh...sort of? The D is unproven, but the O-Line should conceivably be better, our tailbacks are pretty great, and our wideouts are nothing if not incredibly deep. That bodes for some sort of potency if Forcier is appreciably more mobile and more accurate than either Threet or Sheridan.
At least 6-6 / 7-5 levels of potency, which for desperate Michigan fans could be considered a messianistic rise in talent.
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....when the poster can't even spell last year's QB's name correctly? How many times did you even watch Michigan play in 2008 if you don't know there was no threat in Threet?
I don't see how you can assume that we get "less bad luck" against Notre Dame, but then expect us to catch all the same breaks against Utah and Wisconsin.
Teams where we were clearly overmatched:
Utah, Illinois, Wisconsin, Penn State, Ohio State
Teams where we we evenly matched (i.e., could have won but for mistakes/luck):
Notre Dame, Michigan State, Purdue, Northwestern
Teams where we had the clear advantage:
Miami, Toledo, Minnesota
Even if we assume that we improve (and therefore take 3/4 against evenly-matched foes, or steal one against a superior opponent), we're still only looking at 6-6. 8-10 wins is just foolish optimism.
Nitpick: we weren't that overmatched against Wisconsin. Remember, we turned the ball over FIVE times against them in the first half and still mostly held them in check defensively. UW wasn't that good of a team.
I just want to see us get better. This past season a glimmer of hope against Wisconsin turned into chaos against Illinois, it was clear everyone was adapting at different speeds. If Forcier is the starter for the opener we are in trouble. Knowledge of the offense and reading defenses should outweigh ability. I don't see a problem with sharing snaps if Threet can run 70% of the offense and Forcier can run 30%; I would be happy. I don't think asking Forcier to come in a be our "Savior" is the answer. The answer is getting everybody to play at the same speed.
in the Big Ten.
I think from a "returning starters perspective", Michigan is in considerably better shape than 2008:
11+ on offense and 7 starters on defense.
Ohio State returns 4 offensive starters (Pryor, Cordle, Brewster and Browning), but they have 8 starters back on defense, plus another top recruiting class in the nation.
Teams going up (in varying degrees):
Indiana (19 returning startes), Minnesota (18 returning starters), Michigan (17-18 returning starters), Iowa, Illinois
Teams going down (in varying degrees):
Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Purdue
Jury is still out:
MSU(QB & RB leaders gone), Northwestern (QB back, best running backs gone).
I do think all of Michigan's non-conf. opponents, even Eastern Michigan, will be improved teams over 2008, which is a cause for worry.
Assumptions are the mother of all fuckups.
If we would have been better we would have won more games. Is there anything else I missed in the post?
Woulda Coulda Shoulda
was not that interested in googling threet's name...my bad.
as for the purdue game, yes the defense did not come through but IMHO the offense did not rack up alot of yards but did take advantage of special teams play...so yes with forcier and or a more experienced threet>threat the wolverines come out of west lafayette with a W.
on to the lack of optimism among the "faithful"...
the overview while slightly over optimistic was not "over the top" and the promise for 2009-10 was the theme of the post.
I'll let you in on a little secret, "Yes We Can".
How can you call yourself a Michigan fan if you dont even know that Our QB's name is spelled THREET not THREAT? That is rediculous.
lets hope Threet can be a Threat next season
...I cunt heer u i hav an eer infuction, bear ass me again.
lol you can give us Threet's hypothetical record all day, but he's only one of the people that didn't live up to "Michigan par" last year...
don't let the OL and the underachievers on D off the hook
As much as people wanna hate on you.. I thnk your dead on. Imagine how many more TDs or points we could of had if threet didnt overthrow every reciever open in the middle. Everytime we threw in middle it was a bad pass. Forcier is gonnna put up huge numbers next yr, i guarantee it.
Just for mere speculation purposes, I think Threet starts and plays well enough to take the majority of snaps.
Colt Mccoy did sweet his freshman yr. Freshman RS, but forcier is technically a freshman RS by enrolling early. Mccoy was only a 3 star outta H.S too. SO he needed alot to improve. Tates the 5 best dual threat qb compared on rivals, number 1 accuracy on rivals.. ESPN has him at number 2 best dual threat.
man this is a pile of donkey balls.
that "forcier exp threet" explains as much as you think it does...especially purdue, where we scored 40+ and lost. surely that one was on the defense, and it was the defense that lost with time running out...
i cannot believe a word of this....