I'm of the mindset that he deserves our respect and devotion regardless of whether he proves himself, but that's just me. It goes without saying that he needs to win on the field. It should also go without saying that Michigan fans should support their coach, especially when he hasn't done anything for us not to support him. And no, dropping some F-bombs at dinner doesn't qualify. Everybody's different, but all are deserving of respect in their jobs until they prove to you unequivacally that they suck.
Jury's still out on Rodriguez
Let's face it, Rich Rod doesn't come to Ann Arbor with the intellectual and character credentials normally associated with Michigan football coaches. He still has a ton to prove at the big time college level and successful results on the field will make up for his hick-ish, base behavior.
I can forgive our players for the occasional DUI or fight, they're young men after all. The coaches, however, get a much shorter leash. Unless I'm missing something, you never hear stories about Pete Carroll, Jim Tressel or Urban Meyer dropping F-bombs left and right in front of alumni and in-state coaches.
I'm not pining for the good ole days of Lloyd. He had a nice run but the momentum was fading after that Appy State debacle. But since Rich Rod was our third choice, we should afford him that level of respect and devotion until he proves himself.
We can question the status quo and still be fans.
Why is it that you think swearing or not swearing has anything to say about a person's intellect?
Instead of swearing, Pete Carroll rips his shirt off with the rest of his staff and whips his players into a roaring, fleshy frenzy. And, actually, Pete Carroll is known for swearing in situations a lot more public than the one you're bummed out about.
Swearing at a ref, or swearing for emphasis is more or less acceptable. Swearing with alumni and coaches might be taken the wrong way. It's a judgment call.
He's swearing at Mike Bellotti from across the field because Bellotti challenged his challenge.
Wait, you're implying that Bo or Lloyd didn't swear like a one eyed contractor when not confronting the public?
I value my brother-in-law's opinion... He's a former d-1 football player and long-time coach. He's been around plenty of swearing in locker rooms and during games. He's not particularly religious and isn't scared off by profanity.
His impression was that Rich Rod was not a classy guy in that situation.
I see. Does this brother in law have a name? Where did he play? Where does he coach? Position? Number? Was he a starter or a backup.
Seriously now, "My brother in law said this, and he's cool so I believe him, and you should too", is not a valid argument.
I didn't know GVSU is a D1 team.
first fuckin' rodeo, son.
also, where's the local ND fan.. alls he has to do say say a few hail mary's and go to confession, then BOOM HEAVEN'D.
Also, do you think that Bo would have been a docile dinner guest? Woody Hayes? Yes, maybe I'd prefer that Rodriguez carried himself with slightly more grace publicly like Lloyd, but he's a football coach! From West Virginia! It's okay! There's something to be said for giving the impression of being a badass when you're a football coach.
So, if we finished 9-3 last year, would you be fine with him, salty language and all?
9 - 3 gives you a bit more latitude, right? I'm not advocating for that viewpoint, but the superstars get a longer leash in our society.
Again, I'm just passing along what I heard.
I find that hard to believe that Rich Rod would drop the f-bomb at a dinner. While he is coaching is more likely he drops the f-bomb.
My brother-in-law has been around football and is not the type to spread unfounded rumors. But I wasn't at the dinner, maybe my impression would've been different.
If Rich Rod was actually swearing a lot at dinners with coaches, don't you think that the media would of said something about how he isn't a Michigan Man? I think you misunderstood what your in-law was implying.
But he's not a Rich Rod fan, from what I can tell. Maybe that colored his impression of him.
It's funny, when I first heard the story my reaction was to defend Rich Rod. But then it stuck with me and I decided to share it.
count me as one of the people that likes a coach that drops F-bombs.
Count me as a guy that likes a coach who drops the F-bomb as well. I like Rich Rod as a coach. I like his style as a person. He has done much better at handling the media than I ever would. I've also gotta say that as someone who is younger (24) and have played plenty of different athletics the past few years I'd be a little shocked if that influenced a recruits decision.
Preach it brother!
"with the intellectual and character credentials normally associated with Michigan football coaches"
That Bo was a real fuckin Rhodes Scholar, let me tell ya.
Well, as long as your brother in law said it, it must be true.
Maybe swearing and cursing will get RR fired this year, and not losses.
You maybe be onto something here.
Potato salad mother fucker.
On what basis are you saying he was our third choice? From what I understand, the actual decision-makers at UM never pursued Miles. They did offer Schiano. That might make Rodriguez a 2nd choice. However, from what I understand, Michigan did not even consider Rodriguez as a possibility (i.e. not a "choice" at all) until after Schiano, when he approached them.
Language aside, I have been around Rodriguez in person and he comes off as very direct and big-hearted. Being a good guy can take different forms, and I can only speculate, but Rodriguez, to me, seems like one.
You are correct: the jury is out. But I think it is unfair to call him "hickish" and inaccurate to call him "third choice."
Hickish is a cheap shot. The first choice was Les Miles. I'm glad to hear that Rich Rod is making a good impression with other Michigan folks.
Miles was the first choice of a bunch of noisy fans and alumni - what is your proof that he was the first choice of Bill Martin? I heard a ton of noise that Carr would never allow Miles to be hired, thus he was not even a choice.
Gary Moeller didn't just say fuck at dinner, he hit his wife. Yay, Michigan men!
Did he hit his wife at that dinner? I don't remember that aspect, I was under the impression that he was just sloppy drunk and being loud and embarrassing.
No he didn't hit her... but I remember he threatened to.
Let me play devils advocate for a second and ask why the intellectual credentials of a head coach matters? To me, as a 24 year old still-in-college-because-I-thought-grad-school-would-be-fun student, your post seems a lot like the old guy yelling to get off his lawn. Times change. My grandparents never cuss and swear, but yet I do. Is it a difference in character or in the times? I would suggest the second because I am a pretty respectful guy. If I was a 17 to 22 year old kid I don't think I would even notice the F-bombs. I don't think they are viewing the coaching staff in the same lens that the alumni base is.
I would also disagree that he has a lot to prove at the 'big time college level' as well. I guess every coach has something to prove each season, but doesn't his seasonal and bowl record at WVU count as something?
Part of me wants a coach that is a character right from an Ernest Hemingway novel, or at least a guy that can quote from one, but part of me thinks that the idea is pretty old fashioned for 2009. I want a head coach that cares about the kids on the team, that helps the kids develop into young men, and can win some big ten titles...in that order. From my point of view, Rich Rod is doing a fine job.
"successful results on the field will make up for his hick-ish, base behavior."
wow...this is a more ignorant statement that swearing in the company of other coaches.
He's a football coach, not a grammar coach or etiquette instructor. I hear multiple f-bombs at work and after work daily, and I live in a big city with lots of yuppies. This is the real world, not effing Disney Land.
Egad! Coach Rodriguez uses profanities such as the much maligned "f-bomb?!" I nearly spat Earl Gray all over my silk cravat when I read this most displeasing news! Ah well. I suppose I shall have to spend more time patronizing the cricket field.
Is used by almost everyone, but it's not what you might want to be known/remembered for.
...provided Coach Rodriguez is not summarily fired as soon as Bill Martin reads this post, that he might even stand the chance to be remembered for his win/loss record! Provided, of course, we even allow this mountain ruffian the chance to sully our ears for even one more profanity-laden moment.
Charlie don't surf!
As soon as he made himself available, he was the 1st choice.
I agree with the guy - why can't RR just get drunk and fight some cops in a shitty restaurant like a real MICHIGAN MAN?
And then he can piss on a sidewalk, like our cherished hockey coach. THE MICHIGAN DIFFERENCE.
What the hell is wrong with pissing on a sidewalk?
Secondly, Red pissed on a fucking sidewalk? I wish I was at that party!
positively, motherfucking seconded
I heard Red actually peed against the side of the Grad Library (seriously).
This is what I recall.
Did he? I thought sidewalk... but I was like 10 at the time, so I'm probably wrong.
I think he's earned the right to piss wherever he wants to in Ann Arbor.
I mentioned Gary Moeller's tenure because that's the history my brother-in-law has with the coaching staff.
Lloyd Carr used to beat hobos with a garden hose for sexual pleasure. I saw it.
My brother-in-law saw Lloyd kick a baby seal
My brother in law is a very well respected concession stand worker at a prominent movie theater and he saw Bo pull the popcorn trick on a teenage girl in the lobby
my great grandfather saw fritz crisler snort coke off a strippers ass