I totally agree about the turnovers. I remember watching those Amaker teams with Avery Queen manning the point, and that was a parade of turnovers and poor defense. This is a team that is struggling with its shot; everything else is at least tolerable. People forget, but this team struggled last year defensively as well - they give up virtually the same number of points per game this year as compared to last, and the opponents' field goals numbers are almost the same as well. The difference is that this year the team is scoring 66 points/gm, while last year they average 71. That's why they are losing, and the shooting numbers for this team have ticked down just enough to help explain the discrepancy.
I hate Beilein's system
On the offense:
Is there a shot on the court that Beilein doesnt want his team taking? They spend 25 seconds working the ball around the perimeter, making absolutely no progress. Then they jack up an off-balanced shot. What exactly is Beilein coaching these kids to do on offense? They dont get players open, they don't get penetration, they don't set screens to the basket, they don't run pick and rolls. If theyre satisfied with just taking contested threes while falling to the side, why do they even bother running an offense? Not to mention, it seems like the players arent even trying to rebound. Granted weve been beat with quick transitions far too often, but do we really have to have 4 players sprint back on defense while our shot is still in the air?
The bottom line is that the three point system that beilein runs is built for second-tier talent. And Im not saying that were too good to be considered second-tier because were clearly not. But how can a team be consistent when they rely on the three? No team that takes 30+ threes a game will win a national championship, because the chances of winning 6 games in a row without having an off shooting day are pretty slim. In order to be consistent and compete effectively on a daily basis, you need an established post game, the ability to penetrate, good rebounding, and strong defense.
On the defense:
I don't think I've ever seen a team that gave up so many easy baskets. For those who haven't heard, we are dead last in opponents two point percentage (something like 52%).
In my opinion, the 1-3-1 is a terribly ineffective system, especially against good teams that arent going to panic when facing double teams. We don't defense the three, we dont defend the post, we dont stop penetration, we don't rebound, we dont force turnovers? So what exactly is the point of this system, if not to have the opponents big men stuff it in novaks face. I don't understand why a coach would be so attached to a non-traditional system that has never proven itself to be effective. Even at west virginia, belien's defenses were average.
To be fair though, based on today's play, it doesnt seem that this team can effectively run any defense, be it man or the 2-3.
On the 4 guard system:
It just flat out doesnt work.
Sims is not a center. Hes not a great rebounder and he isnt good at help D, which is important in a 1-3-1. He also cant defend bigger opponents.
Zach Novak is not a PF. Hes 6-5, 220. He can jump, but hes way too undersized to defend 6-9 260 PFs, and hes constantly being exploited on these grounds.
Stu Douglas is not a PG, he is a catch and release shooter. Id really love to see the statistic of what his shooting percentage is when he takes a single dribble vs when he shoots off a pass. Hes also entirely incapable of defending the opponents point guards.
this is UNACCEPTABLE /sarcasm
This post does not make any of them.
Well, maybe one: that teams don't win championships when relying heavily on the 3. That's generally correct, but not an absolute rule.
But I don't understand many of your criticisms. I wonder if you've watched Beilein's teams play at WVU or elsewhere if you think that offense is a "three point system." The point of the offense is to spread the floor and use movement away from the ball to create mismatches, bad rotations, or overplays that lead to open jumpers and backdoor cuts for easy lay-ups. Watch what this offense can do with a shooting threat in the high post. There will be lay ups all day long as the defenders work to deny the high post shot.
I also don't think you understand the 1-3-1. Of course it gives up long threes. It's not designed to pressure three-point shooters. It's designed to trap the ball in the corners of the floor and create bad passes and turnovers. It did that at the end of the first half and for much of the second half today. And it's not the only defense Michigan uses. Mixed up with the 2-3 and man, it can be very effective. It's an aggressive, fairly risky defense that's main vulnerability is passes over the top and/or passes to the low post if the double-team fails. That's why you don't use it all the time. But in the right spots, it works.
Beilein does things differently than most coaches. His stuff is complicated, maybe unnecessarily so in some respects. The off-the-ball movement on offense and weakside rotations on defense can be hard to understand. (With C.J. Lee and David Merritt gone, the team misses their familiarity and expertise with the complicated aspects of the system.) If someone wanted a coach who does things in a more conventional way, like Izzo, I couldn't say that person was wrong. But complex system or not, Beilein knows what he's doing.
The system is not the problem this year. It's the execution.
and when underclassmen are getting the majority of the minutes, you get break-downs at both ends of the court. experience will reduce the lapses.
but even with these lapses, MAKE A DAMN SHOT!!!!
perhaps this will be our basketball equivalent to footballs, CATCH THE DAMN BALL!!!
Please post more on b-ball if possible. I'm interested to hear what you think.
This should have been a forum post - diaries should be reserved for fact-laden analysis or argument, not just ranting after a loss.
But to your greater point, the system works but the players are failing to run it well. I've been critical of it at times, but history shows that when the players hit open shots, this system can create a national contender. But when you are hitting about 30% of 3 attempts overall (and actually quite a bit worse against major competition), compared to 33+ percent last year, you are going to struggle and lose some close games. And let's not forget, most of the losses this year have been close affairs. This game was probably the biggest "blowout" of the group, and even then the team was competitive after the initial flurry. Also, last year this team hit about 9 3 pointers a game; this year, about 7.5.
My point is that last year, this team was basically Harris, Sims, and some spare parts. Couch B took that group to the NCAA tournament, won a game, and nearly beat a #2 seed. This year, with maybe a bit more talent, the team is struggling with its shooting. The only difference between this year and last is the players. This was a loss to the #1 team in America, on their court, by less than the line (13.5). While I'm not one for moral victories, this wasn't some colossal loss either. This team might not make the NCAA tournament, but I still have faith that this system will work. This team probably overachieved a bit last year, but keep the faith that the coaching staff has a plan in place.
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I've always been fascinated with how people can type while also holding a torch and a pitchfork.
Your post is a complete joke and this is a sentiment I have been having for a while now, regardless of today's post.
On the one hand, you completely ignored the history of not only John Beilein, but college basketball in general. Not to mention you have no vision of where college basketball, and more importantly basketball as a whole is going. By that, I mean that more and more teams are abandoning the 2 guards, 2 forwards and 1 center. There are maybe only 15 true centers in all of big time D-1 bball. Michigan does run an offense, they don't just pass it around the perimeter. Just because it is an offense with which you are unfamiliar does not make it dumb or stupid or ineffective.
On defense, did you watch the game? The 1-3-1 which will be much better in the future when Michigan has fewer 6-2 guards and more 6-4 to 6-6 guards like Morris, Hardaway, and Smotrzcy, and hopefully Ziegler. This team has 2 players that are on the caliber with the Kansas starting five in terms of talent, yet they managed to disrupt the entire flow of the game. If they had only made 30% of their 3's they win. The team's effort on defense was their for most of the game, and as long as they bring that they will be right back in the mix for the NCAA which is all anyone should hope for given the amount of talent on this team.
We took good shots, they just didn't fall for us. Kansas shot better, but we hung in there. I was actually impressed by the defensive effort and turnover margin. We held them to 75 points, which isn't too bad. They hit more shots than us...that is all.
Oh, and your opinion is duly noted.
Everyone just needs to chill out. We just lost by 11 points on the road against #1 in the land, and that's while shooting 17% from 3. So the facts are, the games will only be easier from here on out and our shooting can only get better from here on out. This game has me very optimistic going into Big Ten play.
in 2pt field goals (what, 40%?)we could maybe nebang 3pt shot selection.
But I don't feel like running down Beilein or this team. He didn't suddenly forget to coach. His players just aren't playing that well.
I haven't run the numbers, but I'm sure one of our statisticians here can weight FG % by FTA for everyone other than Sims and Harris and show, easily, how no one else on this team in contributing much.
Players, and how they execute, win games, both in football and basketball. Michigan didn't make shots today, that's why they lost today and their other games this year. I'm sick of people complaining about a system. The system a coach runs does not make them a good or bad coach. It's how they get their players to execute that system.
It's not his system it's his players not making wide open shots and missing free throws. Honestly, I can shoot free throws better than this team, but I usually make about 88 out of 100.
You'd love the system if they were shooting better than 20% from behind the arc.
Do you even remember the Amaker years? No fundamentals. Poor ball movement. Terrible defense. No pressure on the ball.
I'll take fundamental basketball that creates ball movement, an incredible transition game (which, admittedly, could be helped with better rebounding), defense featuring players who actually look like they know how to play defense, and wide-open looks every day of the week.
Yeah, if you don't hit the shots, you're not going to win, but you can't argue that it's coaching. It's just bad shooting.
But, hey, if you want to go back to "Michigan! Numbah 1!", well, go right ahead, I'll see you at the NIT.
It may not have been perfect and we didn't win but this was a road game against the #1 team in the country. I wouldn't characterize it as embarrassing. If they had hit a few more shots early it may have been within reach at the end. Losing sucks but I thought it was a strong effort. I love that Beilein's teams don't give up when they get down.
I don't have a problem with Belein or his system, but it would be nice if we recruited a player or two who includes protein in their diet. Sure, Duke is doing ok this year, but there aren't many teams dominating college ball by recruiting a bunch of skinny white guys. Belein's teams at WV were good, but does his system prohibit recruiting a player or two who could pass as a DE or TE on a football team?
He doesn't recruit white shooters. He recruit players who fit in his system. He got Jordan Morgan who is a physical player down low and he is not white. He also got Tim Hardaway who is the son of former NBA player, Tim Hardaway. Finally, he got Carlton Brundidge who is built like a tank and he's a PG. He's going after Trey Zeigler who is currently uncommitted. He tried to go after Casey Prather who is an athletic wing player who can jump out of the gym.
I'm actually not wanting to focus on whether the recruits are white or black or whatever. But JB's recruits who've actually seen the floor are Stu, Novak, Lucas-Perry (transfer), Cronin, Vogrich, and Darius Morris. Next year he's bringing in Smotrycz, Hardaway, hopefully Zeigler, and I don't know anything about Brundidge. In any case, there's not a single guy in this list who is physically intimidating as a post-up player or as a defender/rebounder in the paint (I can't count Cronin with a straight face). Perhaps Jordan Morgan will be that kind of guy, but we need more...
doesn't really emphasize rebounding as much as your average coach. If you look at the history of JB's team, you'd see that they are not a good rebounding team.
The typical characteristics of JB's team are:
- Taking care of the ball
- Offensive efficiency
- Forcing turnovers
So far, Michigan has done 2 of the 4 things that exhibit a typical JB's team which is taking care of the ball and forcing turnovers. Offensive efficiency and shooting tends to go hand in hand.
JB's team will never be physically intimidating, nor be a great rebounding team. What you can see is they can shoot the ball which is his system is designed for.
This diary is worse than Belein's system and should be promptly deleted. On top of that, only a fair weather fan would have written it. This team will get better because their main problem is missing open shots. Getting open looks is much harder in basketball than making them.
1-3-1 worked pretty well . What game were you watching ?
This guy's 2 other diaries (from this summer) are about his serious concerns that we're blowing our punter recruitment, and that Brandon Graham would have a disappointing season. Please stop...
We only picked up ONE punter this recruiting cycle. And lets be honest, BGraham could have been better; there were several plays this year in which he did not record a tackle for loss.
Edit: Calibrate Plz...
You don't hate Beilein's system, you just don't like losing. If you truly didn't like Beilein's system, than you would've complained about it on a diary post last year even when they were winning.
And not to be a douche, but even if you truly hate Beilein's system, I could really care less. The guy wins wherever he goes on every level and brought U of M back to the tourney last year, so clearly he knows something you don't about his "horrible" system. I admit there are some things you brought up that puzzle me as well, but I also know there's a reason why I'm watching the games on tv and Beilein is the only active coach with 20+ wins in 4 levels as well as one of the few coaches to take 4 different schools to the NCAA tourney.
If we could find 1 kid out of the 20,000+ undergraduate students here at Michigan that can shoot the 3 at over 30% the system would probably be more effective
From the people who brought you "the spread doesn't work in college football anymore" and "I DONT CARE IF THREET IS OUR QB CAUSE WERE MICHIGAN WE SHOULD BE 9-3 AT WORST" comes the latest holy-hell-think-before-speaking moment...
support for JB is in full force. thanks wolverine8810, your skepticism brought it out.
I agree, too many quiet, nice guys on this team not willing to "get after it" and there's nobody to push them either. Lee and Merritt are sorely missed, they set the tone on defense and it's obvious their spirit and quickness is missed.
Novak has the passion and attitude to become a vocal leader on the court IMO, but no matter what he or anyone else says/does, flat out it won't matter unless they start shooting dramatically better from deep. And it's hard to take on the role of a leader when the team is playing so poorly, you know what I mean?
Last season the team hit more 3's, plain and simple. The more you knock down shots the more energy you play with. Hopefully some of our shooters can get hot against Coppin State and maybe that will turn it around.
i don't know if it's his system or just this team, but if you are going to rely on shooting 3 pter's then you have to make them or rebound them. this team does neither. it's hitting at a pathetic rate and Bilas noted (as i have noticed all year) that after they shoot no one is looking to rebound they are all on their way back down court. you got to make them or rebound them (or at least try to rebound).
Yeah, yeah, yeah....Belein's system is HORRIBLE!!! Which is why he is widely considered one of the greatest coaching minds in the game today. Look...this team has talent in all the wrong places. It has an elite scorer in manny who will get his points, but they have a streaky post player who is several inches too short to compete with the actual big boys. Would you rather have a manny-esque dominant presence in the post and a streaky three SF..sure; it would probably lead to a more consistent team. Then you have a few "shooters" on the perimeter. This team is basically one star player, one NBA D-leaguer, and a few corn fed boys from Indiana that are vinny johnson reincarnates. This team is built to be a fringe field of 64 team. That is all they were last year...but they peaked at the right time under the tutelage of JB and had two impressive games in the tournament. This program is headed in the right direction and if JB finally gets the talent in the places he needs, we will be fine. Winning national championships every year? Probably not. But a sweet 16 threat year in and year out...definitely.
You can't blame the coaches for the players missing shots.
But you can blame the coaches for asking the players to keep taking them.
What I hate most is that when the 3 doesn't go our way, we don't stop shooting them. We are DEAD LAST in the Big Ten for 3pt percentage (28.4%), yet we are 3rd in 3pt attempts. Why are we so stubborn about our system when it isn't working?
I find it funny that you didn't even watch the end of the first half or the second half. I also would like to mentin that Deshawn Sims owned Cole Aldrich
would you really like to "mentin" that?
First of all you spelled mention wrong and it doesn't matter if he owned him he is still and will be in contention for a national title. I don't know if I have ever agreed with a comment this guy has made, I mean honestly lets just ban him
this diarist deserves his opinion.
Personally, I disagree and think the greatest challenge this team faces is a lack of size -- not a lack of adequate coaching.
I disagree with pretty much everything from the original post except I do think Beilein's system provides little to no chance at winning games when shots aren't falling. Obviously any team is going to have a more difficult time when shooting poorly, but more defense oriented and post play oriented teams (Wisco, MSU, etc.) can better accommodate a poor shooting night. At the same time, I think our system allows us to beat teams better than ourselves when the offense is clicking and the 1-3-1 is forcing turnovers.
Bottom line, if Stu Douglass was JJ Redick and our starting 4 man wasn't 6'4, nobody would question this system.
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