Have Your Posting Habits Changed Since the Introduction of MGoPoints and Voting?

Submitted by UMFootballCrazy on

Since we have now come to the conclusion that there is nothing to talk about, it is time to go Seinfeld at the blog and talk about nothing.  Here is my little bit of “nothing.” 

Have you noticed your posting habits changing because of the points system?  Perhaps I am just a hyper-competitive type, but I know where I rank in terms of "Users by mgopoints" [you know you have checked...be honest].  To put it in football terms that most can relate to here, I am a "Top 25" user by mgopoints.  My actual ranking is 21 [EDIT: currently 20th; EDIT: T-19th], and I have jumped two positions in the last couple of days.  I know this says something about me and I am pretty sure what it is...but one can only be so vulnerable in a post like this. 

For me, if I have a something to say, I now say it.  I used to pass over threads and keep my thoughts to myself and would be content to go months on the sidelines.  I am more willing now to invest a few seconds/minutes/hours in actually writing something to post in a Diary/Forum. Previously, after a quiescent period, I would then I would jump in and post up a storm for a couple of months before receding back into the shadows.  Usually my busiest posting period would be in my slow work period, in real estate sales that is the fall/winter. 

As I have noted my own habits changing, it seems to me [without empirical evidence] that there is a greater profusion of Forum posts and there is certainly more Diaries being posted [this one included], and less and less of them are about substantive football issues.  I will admit a little guilt in this regard, but have also been open to the advice of fellow mgobloggers in terms of putting my “Best by the Numbers” series in the Forum.  Do you get the sense that people have more incentive to post because they receive points for the post?  I sense that they do.  [By the time this is done it will be long enough for a Diary post…so…why not?] Posting has been incentivised and any time you offer incentives for a certain behaviour, the amount of that activity will increase.  Perhaps tighter standards [the top quartile of users by mgopoints can start threads] would control the profusion of off topic and repetitive topics, but that might further incentivise posting. 

On the other hand, perhaps all of this profusion of topic formation is good for Brian in that it increases the number of page views and thus his income.  Perhaps he is incentivised to allow posting to increase to a point where he reaches that critical mass/economies of scale point where any more profusion of topics decreases page counts?  Perhaps he needs to hand off Forum/Diary administrative duties to some others [self serving plug: top 10, 20, 25 users by mgopoints?].?

I am also a little more careful in posts.  Heaven forbid that I do a “BlueFront.”  I do also think that the point system and the voting system, as much as I dislike the anonymity and lack of specificity of down votes—that is, you often don’t know who is voting against what and why—has resulted in a greater degree of civility.   People seem to be watching their tongues a little bit, avoiding obviously inflammatory exchanges and in spite of my philosophical objections seems to be a success in the area of civility.

So what do you think?  There is really nothing else to talk about now.  We might as well turn in a do a little naval gazing.

Comments

pz

July 16th, 2009 at 7:42 PM ^

The points system doesn't do much to control people who post an absolute CRAPton and add no value to any of the threads. My biggest issue - and forgive me for intentionally forgetting the handle - is the HS guy who is on summer break and posts things like "okay" and "i agree" and "great point" on absolutely every thread. I have yet to see anything of real value from that end other than junior high-level arguments (arguably trolling in a number of cases), yet the guy probably has 500 or more points. WTF, man? I think the posts that aren't either humorous or somewhat value added should be docked HEAVILY (word in my head is destroyed) with negative points. That could help (?) control those types of posts? Or maybe some better way to evaluate posts / individual ratings? I actually sometimes really enjoy short posts or people assenting, etc to see what people think - so I don't want to penalize for brief posts, but I think quality should be evaluated more thoroughly. And you can't well grant more points for longer posts because it will be abused (like posting diaries seems to be), but I'd encourage strong user monitoring. If you like something, GIVE IT A +1! If you hate it, DUMP IT with -1! I don't fall there, so this isn't a homer suggestion, but maybe just Brian and a select few people he selects with high points / influence / whatever having massive sway on peoples' points? Sure, polarizing, and I'd be pissed if I got hammered, but I'd re-evaluate potentially non-value-added posts? I dunno. I like points, but hate when jokers have a crap ton of them and I don't because I can't or won't post random junk on every thread.

octal9

July 16th, 2009 at 7:55 PM ^

I like points, but hate when jokers have a crap ton of them and I don't because I can't or won't post random junk on every thread.
*shrug* Points past 20 are uh, pointless at the moment. They're about as meaningful as one's e-peen girth measurement.

octal9

July 16th, 2009 at 7:47 PM ^

I still just mostly read posts. Particularly when it comes to football - there are others here that are much more intelligent than me when it comes to that (my expertise lies in hockey, cars, and technology). The only thing that is changed is that when I receive a negative point, I look for it and try to figure out why I received it. That is to say, was it somebody being stupid, or was it myself being stupid? If it's the latter, then it's something from which I'd like to learn. RE: BlueFront, the only way he's getting to positive points is negative integer overflow. We should get on that.

dex

July 16th, 2009 at 7:58 PM ^

my posting hasn't changed. my reading has - i barely glance at the diary section because of all the "FAVORITE NUMBER" threads.

StephenRKass

July 17th, 2009 at 12:20 AM ^

I hate the very idea of those "favorite number" threads. The only positive is that the heading is descriptive enough that I've never opened a single one of those. Not even to give it a down arrow. Argh.

chitownblue2

July 16th, 2009 at 8:24 PM ^

OK. I'm going to be rude. It's clear that you're extremely into your points. You have yet to post a single diary that I was tempted to click on, until someone pointed this specific one out to me. You compile a list of players to wear a number, and you post it. That's what you do. If nothing else, you're revealing a flaw in this system - "If someone posts 400 times, and nobody cares, does he actually post?".

UMFootballCrazy

July 16th, 2009 at 9:45 PM ^

Yeah but you are part of the WLA "clique" so my thought is "shrug," rude and ignorant is what you guys do best. As a group you generally trend towards a know-it-all superiority complex, snobbery, and general boorishness. Last year I posted a rather innocent picture of my daughter here in a Michigan cheerleader dress and the things that the WLA crowd did with that picture on their blog site was sickening. I am afraid you, and many of the WLA croud with you, take yourself too seriously and fail to see the light hearted self-depricating humour of the piece.

ShockFX

July 16th, 2009 at 9:59 PM ^

Yes, we used the image to make fun of Charlie Weis. The "Joey" picture was the said picture in question. This dude complained, we took the picture down and replaced it with Tweak. I mean, come on dude. Of all the things that could happen, using a picture to parody Charlie Weis (with classic Airplane lines no less) isn't that bad. I'm afraid the last thing I do is take myself seriously. I like the British spelling of humour, but your diary above wasn't really funny. Here's a point anyway. +1 to you sir.

UMFootballCrazy

July 16th, 2009 at 10:10 PM ^

You know Shock...it was one of those things...you did take it down...thank you...but common sense should have said to someone that it was in such poor taste that is should never have been posted...it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth... Anyways...I generally try to get along with all...and at moments my some in the WLA have come close to changing my mind about the group... It is one of those things...I was an uber-geek in high school...am still an uber-geek truth be told (who else has fun google stalking every player to wear the Maize and Blue with the rather geeky idea of trying to determing who was the best to wear each number...its the research academic in me I guess) and was picked on mercilessly by all those guys in the "in crowd." Now that I have multiple degrees and turn a six figure income, you mostly leave those things behind...but every once and a while someone or some group gets under your skin that way and the WLA has a way of doing that for me...it is what it is...

ShockFX

July 16th, 2009 at 10:29 PM ^

"Usually my busiest posting period would be in my slow work period, in real estate sales that is the fall/winter." "Now that I have multiple degrees and turn a six figure income, you mostly leave those things behind" Not anymore. (and yes, you deserve this for nonchalantly dropping income numbers to show your superiority.)

UMFootballCrazy

July 16th, 2009 at 10:43 PM ^

Yeah...touche... +1 to you...see how insidious it is...sighs... Thank you for being...well civil... Something to think about from a different perspective...the boring/stupid/whatever derogatory term was used in regards to doing research about past players wearing differing uniform numbers...well...I get equally, if not more, annoyed by people who continually discuss players, schemes, play calling as if they had some meaningful part in effecting them. They second guess the coaches and players and the maddening superiority of many who do so makes me almost scream in frustration...and think to myself...well if you know so damb bloody much and are so smart...go start coaching yourself and see how you do... ...so perhaps the lesson...we all get under each other's skin at times...perhaps at times we just need to live and let live...recognize that even though we love the same program, we each have our own "thing" in terms what faciates us and the should be space for all...at times...FWIW...I have found the WLA...shall we say...less than accomodating And agian...thanks for being so civil even as we lob a few barbs back and forth Shock...

chitownblue2

July 16th, 2009 at 11:40 PM ^

I get equally, if not more, annoyed by people who continually discuss players, schemes, play calling as if they had some meaningful part in effecting them. They second guess the coaches and players and the maddening superiority of many who do so makes me almost scream in frustration...and think to myself...well if you know so damb bloody much and are so smart...go start coaching yourself and see how you do... FWIW, I absolutely agree with this. Reading people wax expert on formations, schemes, etc., based on their NCAA 2010 expertise is...tiring.

dex

July 16th, 2009 at 11:59 PM ^

I get equally, if not more, annoyed by people who continually discuss players, schemes, play calling as if they had some meaningful part in effecting them. They second guess the coaches and players and the maddening superiority of many who do so makes me almost scream in frustration...and think to myself...well if you know so damb bloody much and are so smart...go start coaching yourself and see how you do... +1000000 if i could

KzooRick

July 16th, 2009 at 8:47 PM ^

Yes, I posting more and having less to say just so I can get to 20 in case I want to start a board post. I am getting close so someone with like 500 points will probably feel the need to take me down a couple notches. I am thinking about starting a discussion of the points system.

WildcatBlue

July 16th, 2009 at 8:50 PM ^

Would it be feasible to have random audits for 1.) all negative votes, and 2.) all posts receiving negative votes. When a negative vote has been cast and gets picked for audit, a pop-up would ask the voter to explain briefly his/her reasoning. The audits would be conducted I suppose by Brian or his chosen and trusted minions, and would be as simple as: "is this abuse of the point system, or valueless garbage?" If the answer to either is yes, then the culprit receives, say, a five day posting ban. Or something. If only 1% of all posts were thus inspected, but the consequences for trolls/douches were adequately tough, maybe groupthink/ganging-up/banality would be decreased. Just writing this I can guess that this would be logistically difficult, but who knows?

Ernis

July 16th, 2009 at 9:01 PM ^

At first, when you only got points for posting, I tried to limit my posting to not look like a post-whore (I'm also competitive, just in a different way). But once users could take away points I started posting more, probably slightly more than my previous norm, because I didn't want to drop into negatives for being a belligerent ass.

Tater

July 16th, 2009 at 10:41 PM ^

S. Kass wrote: "A fellow UM grad who taught HS in Detroit shared the extreme pressure he was under from the Football coach to keep kids eligible by giving them decent grades." I talked to a HS teacher who twice flunked a high-profile player (who shall remain unnamed) in his Algebra class. To clean up his actual assessment, he told me the player had about a fourth-grader's comprehension of math, but the principal gave him another teacher who passed him so that it wouldn't ruin his opportunity to play football at UM. It would do no good to name the player now, but he is currently in jail. I wonder what would have happened if the school he attended made him work for his grades instead of giving them to him? He certainly didn't make much of his opportunity at UM. This does raise a question, though: Is it UM's job to fix what is wrong with high schools that donate undeserved grades to their elite athletes? My initial reaction would be "no," but hopefully, there is now some kind of "safety net" in place at the college level. I am hoping that the GPA news that came out the last few days is a sign that RR isn't allowing players who don't go to class and study to play at UM. In all fairness, though, this player had tons of other offers, and if UM had passed on him, someone else would have done the same thing UM eventually did.

mejunglechop

July 17th, 2009 at 3:36 AM ^

It seems to me there are a lot more jokes on threads these days. Occasionally the jokes are funny, but more often they don't really add to the thread. I think if there wasn't the incentive of getting a point just for posting that we'd see less of these.

Koyote

July 17th, 2009 at 10:13 AM ^

I initially posted more to just get up to the 20 mark. That way in case I found a story that was worth making a post about I could post. But then I chipped in my 2 cents a bit more often because some people actually gave me those plus 1s, so I figured I was making a meaningful contribution. I would say that I post a bit more now than I did before. But mostly because I browse at work when things are going slow and things have been slow recently.

Koyote

July 17th, 2009 at 11:25 AM ^

Yep, the box is real. Although I wouldn't suggest eating the cereal out of one of them now. Wheaties released them back in 2006, so I doubt 3 year old wheaties would taste particularly good. Seeing as Boyz n da Pahokee already linked to the larger picture. Here is a link to the Michigan Daily Article about it. http://www.michigandaily.com/content/m-note-wolverines-special-edition-…

pz

July 17th, 2009 at 12:54 PM ^

The box is real, and I actually helped design it and wrote the content that is on the back panel (I work in Brand Management at General Mills, and my buddy was working on Wheaties at the time and threw it my way). They also did a couple of other schools' boxes at the same time - Texas and Georgia come to mind first, maybe one other one. Pretty cool stuff - another friend called me the other day to tell me he saw M-Den hawking one in a case for $95 or something.

tdcarl

July 17th, 2009 at 11:58 PM ^

Lately it has me reading every thread trying to find something to comment on to get to my 20 points. And that is a sweet box of Wheaties, even though I loathe eating Wheaties.