In my eyes.
Hoowee, that was a good one. Hope you haven't scheduled Applachian State anytime soon. I'll take a 90-0 loss to Texas over that any day. Not sayin'. Just sayin'.
Another year another BCS choke! The times have passed Tressel by and Pryor looks less and less like a future star. We were lucky to avoid that cancer for sure.
It has been a rough year but it is going to be worth it. We are the only team in the conference with a progressive outlook and the resources to be a leader in the coming years. Its pretty clear that the Big Ten can't compete on a national level until we do. We have the strength training and spread offense to light it up and the stud d-line recruits coming in to plant trashy-talking QB's with no arm like Pryor for years to come.
Someone here said it best, WE ARE GONNA TEAR IT UP LIKE A MACHINE. No one is going to want to play us starting next year. The Big Ten might be down, but once Michigan is back... we are going to revive this conference. I really think that Rich Rod is our Pete Carrol, or maybe I've just been celebrating this Bucknut loss a little too much.
Eat it, Buckeye fans. You're time has come. You've had your laughs at our expense this year and a cute little run under the sweater vest, but the tables are turning. You will stagnate while we grow stronger every week. Watch out.
In my eyes.
Hoowee, that was a good one. Hope you haven't scheduled Applachian State anytime soon. I'll take a 90-0 loss to Texas over that any day. Not sayin'. Just sayin'.
The app state dig is dead, man. After last year, '07 is ancient history. You have plenty of fodder to use as a retort that's better than that. Just sayin'.
App State is the go-to dig for OSU fans in a pinch and will be long after you and I are dead. In the meantime, I suppose Maurice Clarett will never get old for Michigan fans.
1 - I thought poguemahone was a chick. oh well. or she
is a chick and that is one ugly picture. start shaving, lady!
2 - also find myself thinking that pryor will be a tight
end in the NFL. Just doesn't have the arm. Will
probably torch us repeatedly, but not an NFL qb.
3 - the only thing last night's game really proved:
texas isn't as great as everyone thinks. if florida opens
it up on oklahoma on thursday, it will all make
much more sense, and again will point to the
BCS as a failure - we should be seeing florida
vs. usc to decide the championship...
They've won 5 in a row, can't you shut the fuck up until we actually, you know, beat them?
I love the optimism, but you've got to calm down. While I was also surprised by Pryor's poor passing tonight and his often hesitant decisions, he also made some plays with his legs that we haven't seen since Vince Young. Kid is an amazing talent. Also not sure why you think he's a 'cancer.' He's only a freshman and he's only going to get better. And we sure as hell could have used him.
I also don't see exactly how 'times have passed' Tressel. He may struggle in the non-conference showdowns, but the guy has absolutely mastered winning in the Big Ten.
I do agree with you that the Big Ten hurts when one of its giants is down. For the Big Ten to be at its best, Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State need to be Top 10 caliber teams, and the middle of the pack-- Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan State-- need to be quality Top 25 teams.
One further note, and I make the observation only because you're an LSA grad and frankly we need to make sure we are the leaders and best when it comes to grammar as well: If you're going to go Rick Leach and all, that's cool, but be sure to type 'Your time is coming' from now on. Just sayin'.
I think you might be too high on Pryor. He certainly has running ability, but the kind of ability "we haven't seen since Vince Young?" Come on. Pat White and Tim Tebow don't mean anything to you? There are plenty of college qb's that are fantastic runners. Just off the top of my head there's the kid at baylor, Taylor at Va. Tech, Juice Williams, White, Tebow, Ok. State's qb, Oregon's qb, heck, even Amanti Edwards is an outstanding running qb. I'm sure there are tons more great running qb's on teams that I haven't paid close attention to.
Vince Young was special because he could really run, a bigger threat than Pryor is at this point, and he was a great passer. Pryor has a long way to go be in that same category. He could just as easily develop along Juice Williams' or Xavier Lee's path as become the next Vince Young.
Even for guys with tremendous natural talent for throwing a football there are developmental ups and downs (see Henne, Chad). It's more realistic to think that Pryor will continue to be a serious threat running the ball and a potentially competent passer than the next Vince Young. Next year it will be interesting to see where he's at, especially if he loses such an amazing talent in Beanie Wells.
All that said, I still wish he had come to Michigan.
coming off a contest vs. Navy. If Pete Carroll beats Tressel again, oh man, the Ohio media will have a field day.
Tressel will always have a job in Columbus, however, as long as he keeps beating Michigan in November.
OSU may have 9 starters back next year on defense (losing only Laurinaitus, Abdullah and Freeman). Offensively, OSU will probably be less powerful because the receivers are gone and Wells will go to the NFL (IMO). That leaves a lot of pressure on Pryor to perform his magic, while the top ranked freshman (Jamaal Berry, etc.) get in the groove and gain experience.
Tressel is no doubt going to get lashed by the press, but Buckeye DC Jim Heacock should be feeling some serious heat right now too.
I'm not exactly sure. If so, brilliant. If not, can you please remove the LSA '99 tag and pretend to be a Walmart Wolverine, 'cause your post is beyond fucking stupid.
It wasn't all that long ago that tOSU was the "little brother" (to coin a phrase) that you wanted to see hold their own against the best the rest of the country has to offer to help make the conference look good. For crying out loud, keep the schadenfreude to yourselves, and remember that somehow, we weren't even good enough to make a bowl game this year at all...
with the first post, Tressel gets out coached every time on the big stage, the one exception, the win against Miami, that never should have happened were it not for poor officiating.
OSU has won recently because they have had top 5 recruiting classes each of the past 7 or 8 years, credit the vest for that, but, I too, do not think their future is all that bright.
Go Blue! Rich Rod, make us all proud.
Why is this board turning into Rivals?
We haven't beat OSU since I was a freshman in college. And now I'm in my 2nd year at my job after graduating. That's a long time, people. Talking so much ridiculous shit is stupid in the first place, and even stupider when your team hasn't won in ages.
1. What are we laughing about? That they just beat the shit out of us by 40, or that they've beaten us 5 straight?
2. Tressell loses on the big stage? Have we stopped calling the OSU/UM game "the big stage" since they've whipped our ass so many times now? Does "The National Championship game" not count as the big stage? He's won that.
3. Is losing 3 straight BCS games (and 5 total) in the past 3 years somehow worse than losing 15 games in the past 3 years? Every game they've lost has been to a top 25 team - the WORST team that beat them was #20 Illinois. We've lost to Toledo and Appy State in that time.
I hate to be fucking downer, but if you think that OSU performing much better than I thought they ever would against possibly the best team in college and coming up short somehow casts greater glory on a 9-loss season, you're a complete fucking idiot.
(edit: I had dropped an ill-advised "Walmart Wolverine" comment in here, which is what the next poster references, in a fit of passion. Better judgement prevails.)
First off, I have not been on the board long, but you sound like an afternoon of wine coolers with the sweater-vest would be a great way to spend the day.
The points being made are that 1. all things osu suck- regardless of the win loss column of late 2. there is definitely a chink in the armor and once blue implements its no-huddle spread, we eagerly anticipate the potential promise that the big ten may have problems stopping it 3. losing is sometimes the best thing that could happen, people like to rise up like a phoenix- with optimism and hope and promise that the future holds.
Lastly, your walmart wolverines comment is retarded. This is a state funded school, to which people show state loyalty and state pride. The program would not be shit without the so-called walmart wolverines support- financially or otherwise.
Get off your high (i am an alum and you will bow to me) horse there tough guy. It just may be your alumni status is all you have to hold on to there mr. insecurity.
You're out of your element, Donnie.
MichDiff, that's some smack worthy of Sparty.
Reading this makes me cringe. Who's to say we have the resources to compete any time soon? While I want Michigan to be successful, it probably isn't going to happen for a while, and OSU will probably beat us the next three years. Plus, you are giving OSU an invitation to counter your argument by saying things like "5 in a row" or "at least we make it to the big stage" or "we've been in 3 BCS championship games since it's been created" or "Toledo" or "App State." Need I go on? We Michigan fans would love to be in OSU's position right now. Don't be such a homer.
Ohio State lost by 2, indicating that Michigan is going to "TEAR IT UP LIKE A MACHINE"?
I don't follow the thought process here.
It is just sad but true that The Sweater Vest can not compete against the national powerhouses of the country, unless they have a ref making flipant pass intereference calls for them. It is also sad that a good QB that had played with passion gets thrown aside when the new shiny Pryor showed up. I hope recruits will look at this, and realize that the best guy doesn't always play at OSU, just the guy who got paid the most to come to OSU.
dropped the ring in the river?
was that the best way for a michigan man to see TOSU lose? to have it snatched away like that.
give me a sec. i'm crying...
Yeah, I still think I'd rather be in their position at the moment. Hope is ahead, but things aren't very good right now. Let's try to not make fun of teams who just went to their 3rd straight BCS bowl and beat us for the 5th time in a row.
OSU lost a very close BCS game as a large underdog. There is no shame in that.
Pryor's passing (and running out of bounds) needs some work but the Texas defense looked pretty shocked at how fast he was. As a true freshman, I'm thinking he looked fine.
I kind of want to go through this post sentence by sentence and tear it apart, but it's such an obvious failure that I don't think anyone is taking it seriously.
All I can say is I wish our football team had cancer.
I presume this is a joke. Heck, OSU was within half a yard of stopping 1-loss Texas and winning the Fiesta Bowl. Michigan lost to Toledo this season, and was blown out by tOSU, Penn St., and even fricken MSU. As others have said, the optimism is nice, but just stop right now. This team is going in the right direction, but it is going to take far more than the Otter and another year of experience to make this team even remotely as competitive as OSU has been for the past half-dozen years.
I'm a proud UM alumnus, but I also spent 3 years in MSU country and had to listen to this overzealous, uninformed junk every fall. Transitions take time, and while I think most people are in it for the long haul, coming across as idiotic homers isn't going to make it any easier.
Given the bowl / out-of conference results thus far, and in recent history, it appears obvious who the top 2 conferences are: the Pac-10 and the SEC. More often than not, these are the conferences that produce the BCS champions and BCS bowl winners. They have annually elite programs, capable of winning the MNC almost every year, such as USC, Florida, and LSU. They also have second-tier programs that win BCS games (Oregon, Georgia, etc.) that are capable of winning the MNC in any given year. The rest of the conferences, such as the Big 10, Big 12, Big East, ACC, WAC, and Mountain West are all toss-ups from what I have seen. Each conference will sometimes produce a very good team, one that COULD win a BCS bowl and COULD win an MNC, but only if they have a truly special player who changes the game (Vince Young or Maurice Clarett). OSU and Texas are teams that fall into the latter category. Michigan under Carr was in that category as well. However Michigan now is rebuilding to try and be an elite team, one that would put it in the category of the SEC and PAC-10 powerhouses. I'm a Michigan fan, so perhaps I am biased, but I think they will be successful. Why?
1. RR almost built such a program at WVU. Look what WVU did to Oklahoma last year and you see what his coaching and schemes are capable of. Watch the speed on offense and defense did to OU on both sides of the ball.
2. Michigan's recruiting base is far superior to WVU's.
3. RR appears to have good recruiting success getting the players he needs to run his system, especially identifying players with 3* ratings that have better talent (see Brian's post today).
4. RR brought most of his coaches and program with him to U-M.
5. RR designed the spread option that is being used to success elsewhere, such as Utah and Florida.
Now, all that being said, we don't have any reason to talk trash to OSU, not yet. But I'll take losses to them the next couple of years knowing that we have the potential to take that step to elite status. Really, was anyone satisfied with "kind of" being good, knowing full well that when we played the USCs of the world, we were going to get crushed?
I have confidence in RR that we will get there. He's shown he can do it at every stop he has made. We will be there, and we WILL BE A MACHINE.
BTW, for more evidence of my "elite" hypothesis above, let's see what Florida does to OU on Thurs. My guess based on OU's trashing at the hands of SPEED last year is that it won't be close. This should demonstrate hands down that even a team that appears to be excellent from one of the "lesser" conferences really can't compete at the highest level, not without that superstar. I think Michigan can become one of those teams that does not NEED the superstar, but is good enough at all positions to compete year-in, year-out with the best.
I realize there are some generalizations here, but recent bowl and out-of-conference history seems to back this up. So when Texas says they are "the best team in the country", I have to disagree. They barely beat OSU, who couldn't beat PSU, and we saw what happened to PSU at the hands of USC. Nevermind what happened to OSU versus USC. Granted the transitive property doesn't always work in sports, but does anyone really think Texas could beat USC this year? Or Florida? Perhpas even Utah? Like I said, these are very good teams (OSU, Texas, OU, Utah), but I don't think any of them could beat one of the elite progams during an average year.
Ah whatever. Time to get drunk and watch the 1998 Rose Bowl.
Nice ideas, though I would caution against the Pac-10 euphoria. USC is an amazing program, but the drop to Oregon and Cal (the next best teams in that conference every year) is steeper than in any other conference.
"It is just sad but true that The Sweater Vest can not compete against the national powerhouses of the country"
If he can't compete (and I do recall OSU winning a National Championship sometime in the recent past). His record blows away anything any other Big Ten coach has, including, Michigan. If "the Sweater Vest" can't compete against the national powerhouses, then Michigan can't compete against the Pop Warner teams... Oh, wait...
"tell me tressel didn't look like gollum after he dropped the ring in the river? was that the best way for a michigan man to see TOSU lose? to have it snatched away like that."
Well, I realize that it has been a very long time, but no, the best way for a Michigan man to see "TOSU" lose is, well, to, ummm, to Michigan, maybe?
Yeah, your right, lets not be totally delusional. It is much better to live vicariously through the success of other teams. And no, OSU's bowl failures (and the Big Ten's as a whole), a team that has beaten Michigan like a drum for the past bunch of years, doesn't reflect poorly on our team, now does it.
Yeah, its just great to continually lose to a team that "sucks" in bowl games. Makes us look so much better than them.
Despite the complete lack of tenable logic in this diary entry, there is an underlying metaphysical truth that it reflects.
Observe the commentary by Pogue Mo Thoin (or whate'er he calls his unloved self): "Hope you haven't scheduled Applachian State anytime soon."
Behold! Though their recent record against us is favorable, the hated Browneyes still live vicariously through the success of other teams. I lament the disease of ressentiment that spreads through the Michigan fanbase, yet I understand that it merely results from a confluence unfavorable conditions. What can we say of those who react to favorable conditions with ressentiment? It is pitiful, really, and the Gollum comparison makes some sense when applied to the Bukkkeye fanbase. Dreadful wretches they are, without even a spark of majesty within.
With this in mind, consider the momentum that amasses against our noble league. It is clear that between the two powerhouses, only the proud and glorious MICHIGAN WOLVERINES shall withstand the tide of destruction. We are made of tougher stuff!
but I will make my in a different way.
Rivals are such because the two teams are on (1) an equal footing and (2) usually geographically close. Florida State is a rival with Miami and Florida and not Duke for these two reasons. Duke is a rival with UNC for these two reasons (in both BBall as well as football) as well.
Do you want the Michigan-OSU rivalry to be a game of titans, with broader consequences; or a game like Arizona - Arizona State; Washington - Washington State, etc.? Nobody outside of those schools cares about those games.
Make no mistake, the failure of OSU and Michigan in their bowls and OOC games greatly affect the aura and magnitude of the rivalry.
I would rather that Michigan is the only team in the world that can beat OSU; and that OSU stomps all that is before them. There isn't much of an accomplishment beating a team that loses to everyone else.
The strength of a conference also reflects on the quality of the teams within it. Just look at the lack of respect that both Utah and Boise State have gotten over the past years. Both have gone undefeated, neither got any consideration for the NC over 1 or 2-loss teams. I think that is directly attributable to the conference they play in.
I would much rather have Michigan compete and win the title of a strong Big Ten (which is established by success in OOC and bowl games) than some suck-ass conference that is subject to constant ridicule (which, by the way, the Big Ten is fast approaching).
All this rationalizing is just the means by which we manufacture the ounce (or respective ounces) of hope we're going to need to get through another day or week or month of waiting. When it comes down to it, that's what we're doing here... we're hoping and waiting. That's why we shit ourselves over every little stat or tidbit we find that might provide further justification for our hope while we wait. We want M to be great, we want to be the victors again. And when that glorious day comes and we see that angry stream of maize and blue flow under the banner and onto the field we will feel tingly, like when we used to climb the rope in gym class, and we will sing the song and hope really really really hard because that's when all the rationalization goes out the window and our hope is distilled into to a pre-snap moment of silence where the game hangs in the balance and no one gives a shit about that kids 40 time.
Anyway, I think what the OP meant to say is that he hopes we do really well really soon and it came out rather rosy.
What some others are saying is don't get your hopes up. They say that because getting your hopes up gets you hurt sometimes and they are pragmatists... they'll get their hopes up when the odds are right.
I think someone might have been advocating giving up hope. That's really the only bad idea here... I mean... this is M we're talking about.
I'm a pragmatist most of the time but football is where I let loose and just get my hopes up every time and hell if it doesn't feel good.