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By Tha Quiet Storm — September 6th, 2009 at 2:47 PM — 29 comments
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Brian has done enough "un-freeping" the past week so I figured I'd handle this lame editor response for him.  Four specific things caught my eye when I read the article.

1. "Last weekend, the Free Press published a report about the University of Michigan football program that was a month in the making, based on interviews by reporters Michael Rosenberg and Mark Snyder with former and current players and a detailed review of rules governing the sport."

Yes, this groundbreaking/earth-shattering expose' took a grand total of ONE month to form.  This is basically an admission that no work was done to examine the opposite side of things (WVU's clean compliance records, the widespread opinions of current and former - HA see what I did there? - college coaches and players such as Herbstreit, Tressel, et. al., the 99% of current M players and their parents who DON'T think there is any problem with what is going on).

2. "Rodriguez said he would no longer ask players to report for duty on Sundays."

As stated by RR this week, last year players came in on Sundays and had Mondays off, and this year they will have Sundays off and come in on Mondays.  Anger makes no mention of this - his implication seems to be that RR feels like he got caught so he is ceasing activities on Sundays to try and atone for his wrongdoings or soothe the worries of his dectractors.

3. "The backlash has included threats against Rosenberg and Snyder. One gem from the fanatical fringe: 'I'm a person of strong moral conviction ... however, I wish nothing but pain and death to you.'"  

Also: "Rosenberg is primarily a sports columnist but, like many columnists, is also an excellent reporter. In columns, he's been critical of Rodriguez, as some cyberspace conspiracy theorists point out."

This is a textbook response from someone who cannot refute the claims being made by the other side - you see it all the time in politics: Ignore the 99% of people who have legitimate, logical points and questions and instead focus on the far extreme fringe who say something really dumb and easily refutable.  And while you're at it, slap a good ol' ad hominem on it for the cherry on top.

4. "At the annual media day event where reporters mingle with players made available by the coaches, two freshmen on scholarship freely answered questions about the team's off-season programs, including workouts. You can question, as some have, including the father of one freshman, whether we should have quoted them."

That is totally not the issue at all.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with quoting freshmen, and no one has argued this.  The issue that we fans have is that their quotes were taken and used in such a way that upset Hawthorne and Stokes and motivated them to go to their coach and ask him what they did wrong.  When the question about how hard they were working was asked, whichever writer asked it conveniently failed to mention that he was going to use their words in a story alleging that the UM football coaches broke NCAA rules and that the program could suffer possible sanctions as a result.

After reading this half-ass counter-punch, it is painfully obvious as to why the original article got out in the first place - Snyder and Rosenberg's editor is just as clueless as they are.
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September 6th, 2009 at 3:05 PM | Hammer vs Nail (Score:1)
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Hammer wins again.
Nicely done. Suck it Freep...

New Oldsmobiles are in early this year.
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September 6th, 2009 at 3:08 PM | Nice response (Score:1)
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I also thought the editor's attempt to provide some cover for his reporters and paper was lame. This guy should be in politics and not journalism. I think the folks at the Freep are realizing this will not turn out the best for them.

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September 7th, 2009 at 1:12 AM | At this point... (Score:1)
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...I think he IS in politics. I certainly wouldn't confuse what the Freep did with journalism.

 

 

 

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September 6th, 2009 at 3:11 PM | vg (Score:1)
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+1

...the Canadians make up for it with their emotion and classic ice-dancing skill.

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September 6th, 2009 at 3:13 PM | Fisking the Fisking (Score:1)
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a grand total of ONE month to form. This is basically an admission that no work was done to examine the opposite side of things

One month is plenty of time to interview other sources. That's plenty of time to do work. That proves nothing.

Anger makes no mention of this - his implication seems to be that RR feels like he got caught so he is ceasing activities on Sundays to try and atone for his wrongdoings or soothe the worries of his dectractors.

While this inference may be true, his general statement is not incorrect. It is an unadulterated e-fact.

This is a textbook response from someone who cannot refute the claims being made by the other side

This is a textbook response from someone who cannot refute the claims being made by the other side.

When the question about how hard they were working was asked, whichever writer asked it conveniently failed to mention that he was going to use their words in a story alleging that the UM football coaches broke NCAA rules and that the program could suffer possible sanctions as a result.

More specifically, the context was incorrect because the authors did not question what activities were, and if those activities counted toward the total.

I'm in no means defending the freep, and most of your points were right. I just thought I'd fisk your fisking for not other reason than being able to use that line I used on point 3.

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September 6th, 2009 at 3:34 PM | Fair enough (Score:1)
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With regards to #3, I guess I was just trying to say that when you mention people who have argued against your paper's story and then include a comment from someone wishing pain and death to the writers (obviously none of us want that), it seems like he's trying to paint us all as sociopathic recluses just because we are using the confangled interwebs to make our response.

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September 6th, 2009 at 4:54 PM | Well… (Score:1)
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While this inference may be true, his general statement is not incorrect. It is an unadulterated e-fact.

Of course, much of this whole to-do was generated by discrepancies between "unadulterated" facts (quotes, what they said) and actual truths. The former are often convincing when deployed, but can be shaped and fit into infinite narratives serving infinite purposes.

As this whole thing has illustrated, context is key, and hiding behind some BS proclaimed journalistic objectivity, saying that you're just "presenting the facts" is disingenuous and deeply unethical.

I am finding no small amount of personal glee in watching this crap blow up in the Freep's face. This editorial is obviously on its heels, and the current of popular opinion is decisively against their hatchet-work. Scoreboard!

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September 6th, 2009 at 5:17 PM | A plea (Score:1)
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I think FA's response illustrates something that has been bugging me all week. Listen, I'm a Michigan fan and, I think, a pretty attentive and even-handed one. I hope nothing comes of these allegations because I am a fan, and because, even IF there are a few rankled players on this year's team (and possibly more on last year's), I don't think these allegations are that big of a deal.

However, while I understand the outrage voiced - occasionally articulately and intelligently - at the Free Press report on this site and others, very few of us have the expertise and credibility to launch many of the critiques I've read on this message board (and elsewhere). Some commenters are way out of their league.

I, too, feel the need to rail against what I feel is unjust, and it's often nice to do so around like-minded folks, because we know our outrage will be well-received. But let's leave it at that. I think we've collectively vented enough. Let's move on.

I know I could just stop reading this stuff, but I'm a huge fan of this site and this board, in general, and I don't want to give up the addiction.

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September 6th, 2009 at 5:17 PM | +1 (Score:1)
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FTW

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September 6th, 2009 at 3:47 PM | a month seems like a long (Score:1)
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a month seems like a long time to investigate and put together that article. what troubles me is that over that time period they never bothered to interview Rodriguez or Barwis.

No question, Jim.

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September 6th, 2009 at 7:48 PM | "never bothered to interview Rodriguez or Barwis." (Score:1)
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That was bad enough, but it was just as telling to have not interviewed two individuals with the unique perspective of having coached or played under the amazingly virtuous and poetic Carr regime and the tremendously corrupt Rodriguez dictatorship: Fred Jackson and Ryan Mundy.

And Carson Butler, the ex-Lion.


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September 6th, 2009 at 8:33 PM | Ryan Mundy is really pissed (Score:1)
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Ryan Mundy is really pissed off about being drafted.

No question, Jim.

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September 6th, 2009 at 4:01 PM | Freep's logic is 1. Freshmen (Score:1)
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Freep's logic is
1. Freshmen are working long hours.
2. Rules say you can't have supervised long hours.
3. Therefore, UM is breaking the rules.

Similar to:
1. Sam is driving a car.
2. There is a speed limit of 55 miles per hour.
3. Therefore, Sam is breaking the speed limit.

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September 6th, 2009 at 4:20 PM | i like... (Score:1)
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how he said "a detailed reveiw of rules governing the sport." right, suck it freep!

Fuck Urban Meyer!

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September 6th, 2009 at 4:28 PM | Good Fisking... (Score:1)
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but logic won't return the tempest to the teapot. Winning, on the other hand, will.

The potential for NCAA sanctions is unlikely IME, so the worst part of the article was the bad PR ("Michigan is divided, and divided teams fail. Therefore, RR will fail").

Yesterday provided 'Exhibit A' for the notion that the team is not only united, but hungry to prove that they support their coach.

They no longer call me Bisbiño

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September 6th, 2009 at 7:22 PM | important question (Score:1)
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VERY Nice piece!

An important question is if or when, depending on how optimistic you are, UM gets 7+ wins how the Freep will react? Will they jump on the RR is great and we are back train? Or will they stay in the bed that they made?

Second question. Are we as loyal fans going to hand it to them if/when they try to back track?

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September 6th, 2009 at 7:52 PM | Keep it up (Score:1)
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When a story has holes big enough to drive a truck thru (as has been easily shown), one must wonder why Rosenberg would even attempt such a stunt. And even if the story took a month to develop, how long were they sitting on it so as to drop it the week before kickoff? No matter how you look at it, it stinks, and with all due respect to JOREL and others who just want the story to go away, we have a responbility to keep pulling the Freep and Rosenberg out in to the open on this until every angle is exposed and they are publically and repeatedly disgraced. Great work.

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September 7th, 2009 at 10:01 AM | Interesting point (Score:1)
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Given that they state it took a month to develop the story, you have to wonder when the last "anonymous interview" was conducted and how long they waited for kickoff week. If they did time the story to drop last week, that is perhaps the shadiest part of this whole thing. I can't really imagine a bigger lack of objectivity in reporting than to drop a story just in time to distract a team and attempt to make them lose a game.

**Just to point out I am in no way Freep-like, I have no information on the timing of the article, but it would be an interesting bit of info if it were to surface.

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September 6th, 2009 at 8:00 PM | Not a Journalist, But (Score:1)
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I play one when no one is around to see how insane I look talking to myself and conducting mock interviews with a roll of paper towels. AND, my conclusion is this:

You sure as hell CAn talk to players and interview them. However, if you are conducting an "investigation" or if your questions are for a particular story, you should tell them that. IMO, if you don't, you are lying to them. I have gone past the line of saying Rosenberg was disingenuous with the kids (former, current, disgruntled, happy, or dorky freshmen) and decided he was being blatantly dishonest, even if by omission only.

It was nice hearing Craig James, during the broadcast on ESPN2 say, "I think it's a witch hunt."

And yeah, I totally agree that the Freep's response is nothing more than formulaic CYA.

And the idiots who do nothing but threaten Rosenberg or bother to email him just to call him a "douchebag" or some such are, well, idiots.

That being said, it is what it is.

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September 7th, 2009 at 7:08 AM | I'm glad to hear that Craig (Score:1)
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I'm glad to hear that Craig James made the witch-hunt comment during the broadcast. I haven't seen a replay of the game and missed the live version since I have tickets, but I did hear him before the game refute the Gameday guys' assertions that there was division/dissension in the locker room.

Go Craig James!!!

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September 7th, 2009 at 10:54 AM | James and Patrick (Score:1)
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Although they did belabor the point too long, seeming to at times go out of their way to explain how they felt, one thing he said that was funny: On that issue of a "divided locker room"--he said there are actually very few "happy players" on any football team. Long practices, little playing time--no way to keep them all happy.

Of course, the "divided locker room" here meant all of ONE player on the current team doing some "complaining."

That being said, it is what it is.

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September 6th, 2009 at 8:08 PM | I'm a person of strong moral (Score:1)
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I'm a person of strong moral conviction ... however, I wish nothing but pain and death to you.

Does anyone know which site this came from? Seems like something that may have been said in sarcasm on the e-blogs and then taken out of context in the editorial.

I couldn't find it on Google.

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September 7th, 2009 at 9:18 AM | Possible Answer (Score:1)
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Was it from a site? I thought he was saying it was an email the Freep had received.

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September 6th, 2009 at 8:40 PM | "The backlash has included (Score:1)
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"The backlash has included threats against Rosenberg and Snyder. One gem from the fanatical fringe: 'I'm a person of strong moral conviction ... however, I wish nothing but pain and death to you.'"

Whether or not the death threats were made does not support or disparage the "journalist" allegations. Nor is it a signification portion of the backlash. If the editor had real issues with the "backlash", how about commenting on a ABC announcer calling the allegations a "witch hunt" during the game Saturday. Seems like the editor was hoping this kind of "backlash" goes unnoticed.

Also: "Rosenberg is primarily a sports columnist but, like many columnists, is also an excellent reporter. In columns, he's been critical of Rodriguez, as some cyberspace conspiracy theorists point out."

I think it is fairly obvious the second point is directed towards this statement by Brian:

allowing a columnist with such a strong viewpoint to write an anonymously-sourced investigative news article on the same topic of his obsession is improper.

The Free Press has been trying the marginalize blogs and Brian in particular. As Brian pointed out they previously had implied Brain was some anonymous writer who nobody could identify and could not be contacted, instead of a guest of several radio talk shows this past week including being interviewed by Mitch Albom. There is little doubt they see the internet and Brain as a competitor.

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September 6th, 2009 at 9:16 PM | There is little doubt they (Score:1)
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There is little doubt they see the internet and Brain as a competitor.

I know it's a typo, but I think this statement is probably still correct with it in there.

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September 7th, 2009 at 2:31 AM | That was written by Jon (Score:1)
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That was written by Jon Chait, FWIW.

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September 7th, 2009 at 9:27 AM | Nothing to add about the Free (Score:1)
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Nothing to add about the Free Press's pathetic treatment of this situation.

I just want to write that following a Tigers team during a playoff year without John Lowe has been annoying or worse. But every morning, I smile as I avoid that assclown publication. I suspect that I'm in good company.

Anyone know how much of an impact all of this has ad on the Free Press? It can't be helping its image. I wonder if after the initial excitement there has been a meaningful dip in sales and/or internet hits.

LeeR

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September 7th, 2009 at 9:45 AM | My Guess (Score:1)
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I would think that initially it would have boosted their hits/sales since people want to see what they are saying. But after the dust settles, I would guess that they will take a hit. So many people are pissed about this, that after the story dies and they no longer are searching for ammo to use against the Freep, they will feel it in their wallets.

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September 7th, 2009 at 12:32 PM | E-mail to Paul Anger (Score:1)
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I sent this out to Paul Anger this morning. There's nothing here that mogoblog readers don't already know and haven't already said, but it needs to be said, again and again, to those in charge at the Detroit Free Press.

Mr. Paul Anger
Editor and Publisher
Detroit Free Press

Mr. Anger:

I was a long time Free Press subscriber until the discontinuation of daily home delivery. After that I continued to read the on-line version and occasionally purchased a paper at a local retailer. I will no long do so. The article by Michael Rosenberg “exposing” the University of Michigan football practice schedule was a one sided piece of Yellow Journalism worthy of the worst supermarket tabloid. After reading it I vowed I would never read a Free Press again, in any form.

On Sunday, while at the home of my sister (who will soon be canceling her Free Press subscription) I broke my vow and read your self serving attempt to justify the Rosenberg article. To someone who had no other source of information the Sunday paper might look balanced and objective. It was not. As examples:

You continue to claim the article was based on interviews with “current and former players,” even though Drew Sharp has already said in a radio interview with Dan Patrick (ESPN) that the only current players “interviewed” were the two freshmen ambushed at press day.

You continue to insist that your sources must remain anonymous because they fear reprisal from their couches, even though the only unnamed sources are former team members who are no longer subject to any action from the Michigan couching staff.

You quote an ESPN reporter who “confirmed” your report by talking with an unnamed former player. There was no mention of ESPN reporter Kirk Herbstreet, a former Ohio State quarterback, who called the Free Press campaign a “witch hunt.”

You continue to insist that Michael Rosenberg has no hidden agenda because he is a U of M grad. I’m sorry, but a Michigan degree does not guarantee an absence of bias. Rosenberg’s prior articles about Rich Rodriguez, most recently his “Rodriguez should have known about Justin Feagin and his traffic tickets,” make it clear that Rosenberg is trying to drive Rodriguez out of Ann Arbor

Sunday’s paper was your last chance, and you have blown it. I will no longer financially contribute, in any form, to the Detroit Free Press. I will not buy it, I will not access it on the web, and I will do everything I can to persuade my friends and family to likewise abstain. I will get world and national news from the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal and CNN. I will get state and local news from the Detroit News and annarbor.com. I will follow Michigan athletics on mgoblog.com. And I will wait eagerly for the day when I read in one of these publications that the Detroit Free Press is defunct.

Sincerely

"Men, we're going to make a few changes here." - Bo Schembechler, Spring of 1969

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