Early Morning Buzz Kill/Recruiting

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So, it's been accepted as fact that Rodriguez, Barwis, and the rest of the staff "do less with more" than most other coaches. People generally point to WVU's sterling records and lofty rankings, combined with a seeming slew of two and three star talent coming in the door. We've talked about the amazingness of Mike Barwis, and assume that WVU was transforming these 2 and 3 star recruits into 5-star performers. Finally, as we have been signing a few 3-stars it's been a running meme that Barwis and the staff turned out amazing results with players like this, so we shouldn't worry.

All this, I'm afraid, ignores the context in which WVU's success came. In the past 7 years (an arbitrary number, but all it's all the available date in Rivals), the Big East has, as whole, recruited as follows:

2008 - 0 teams in Top 25 recruiting classes

2007 - 1 team in top 25 (WVU)

2006 - 1 team in top 25 (Pitt)

2005 - 0 teams

2004 - 0 teams

2003 - 0 teams

2002 -0 tea,s

By contrast, in the past 7 years, the Big Ten has produced 23 classes ranked in the Top 25. The SEC, absurdly, has produced 48. Shockingly, Mississippi State has produced more Top 25 classes in this time frame than the Big East as a conference (they've gone to a single bowl game in 7 years, by the way). So, it is possible - almost likely - that WVU succeeded with two and three star players because it wasn't an absurd handicap - the conference in which they played was stocked with them.

Looking at other successful Big East teams we find:

UCONN - 1 four star player recruited in the past 7 years.

Cincinatti - 0 four-stars, 0 five-stars

Lousiville - 16 4-stars, 1 five-star

Pitt - 20 4-stars, 1 five-star

WVU had: 14 4-stars, 2 five-stars

So, WVU's talent level was, at least, comparable to the top teams in the conference. This wasn't a team that succeeded with comparatively poor talent - it was a team that had, for the conference, superior talent.

None of this means that I believe the staff will be unsuccessful. What it DOES mean is that WVU wasn't doing "more with less" than the rest of the Big East - they were doing what they should have with more talent. Luckily, Michigan generally has excellent talent levels. If that is maintained - and it appears that's not a problem - then we should have continued success.

None of this should be taken as an indictment of recruiting three-star talent. Every successful team recruits a large portion of their class at this level, and I have no expectation of Michigan being different. Just, we should likely not have an expectation of the staff and Barwis turning all this three-star talent into five-star performance, as the three-star talent at WVU was, actually, superior to much of the Big East.

Comments

chitownblue (not verified)

July 29th, 2008 at 2:51 PM ^

Your theme song would be "Unwritten" by Natasha Bedingfeld (or however you spell it). Hat - I'm not worrying about being top 10.

Ninja Football

July 29th, 2008 at 2:53 PM ^

Hey I'm not gonna crank out crap for craps sake. And I was surprised you never replied to the offer to spoon with Keegan. Who can turn down spooning? I bet he'd even let you be the big spoon if you asked nicely.

chitownblue (not verified)

July 29th, 2008 at 3:17 PM ^

T-Roy, So cynical. I actually legitimately believe what I wrote. And writing things that alienate people isn't the best promotional strategy I could envision.

chitownblue (not verified)

July 29th, 2008 at 3:38 PM ^

Ninja, I'm afraid that if I get drunk around you people then you're going to fondle me, and I'll have no legal recourse.

Ninja Football

July 29th, 2008 at 3:47 PM ^

Of course you wouldn't. If you pressed charges all I'd have to do is hire BlueSeoul as my legal counsel.  "If all it was is a twisted tit- you must acquit"!  See? Case closed.

  Dex, you're such a chick. And i like it. No, all I meant is if I press it I'll end up writing crap. If I let it marinate in my subconcious for a bit it'll come out awesome, if I rush it it'll come out sounding forced. And you guys have been doing a sweet job.

T-Roy

July 29th, 2008 at 3:50 PM ^

It was a joke. My original "tag team" post was in reference to the fact that when someone disagrees with you, dex comes running to your defense and vice versa.

I know that you believe what you are saying because this is the second day in a row you posted on the same subject (what happened to yesterday's post btw?).

"And writing things that alienate people isn't the best promotional strategy I could envision." - I agree

cfaller96

July 30th, 2008 at 9:24 AM ^

Your numbers exclude a significant area of study when it comes to comparing who's got "more" and who's doing "less." Out of conference games, including the bowls, should provide a little insight into how RichRod plays against teams with superior talent. Admittedly, I imagine his regular season non-conference victories are patsies, but bowl games are probably important to look at. How did RichRod stack up in those categories?

chitownblue (not verified)

July 30th, 2008 at 1:19 PM ^

cfaller - in one of my numerous responses somewhere here I listed that. He was slightly over .500 against top-25 OOC competition, and under .500 under Miami and VA Tech when they were in the Big East.