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Dispelling a Myth: Purdue's Front Seven

By death by trident — October 2nd, 2012 at 2:14 PM — 26 comments
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[Ed-S: Bumped to Diary. FWIW here's Michigan's OL versus those guys last year:

Offensive Line
Player + - T Notes
Lewan 7 1 6 Would like to see him more involved somehow.
Barnum 3 2 1 Also picked up a –2 on the last play he was in on but I didn't hit him for it since he was obviously injured.
Molk 15 2 13 Even got a killer reach block for old times' sake.
Omameh 13 7 6 Had some issues with Short.
Huyge 7.5 2.5 5 Easy time on the edge.
Schofield 5.5 10 -4.5 Big step back from two weeks ago. Did get a thumper late.
Mealer 0.5 - 0.5 On last drive charted.
Watson 3 - 3 Got in on some of the edge bashing.
Koger 14.5 2 12.5 Completely clobbered his DE whenever asked to.
TOTAL 69 27.5 72% Moore put up a –1, FWIW. Strong day almost hitting 3:1.
Metrics
Player + - T Notes
Protection 22 6 79% Team 3, Toussaint 1, Schofield 2. Big bounce-back.
RPS 20 9 11 Throwback screens always work.

So Short caused some problems for the guards and will again; the rest of the guys did okay]

So last year Michigan had 339 yards on the ground versus Purdue.  Fitz had a career day in which he ran for 170 yards on 20 carries.  Denard passed the ball 14 times and completed 9.  Never did he seem pressured very hard.  Now this year some of my friends are nervous about Purdue and their front 7,   so it made me curious enough to look into it a little farther. 

So let's look at their personnel first.  Of course any discussion about Purdue's defense begins with their potential first round draft pick - Kawann Short.  The 6'3" 315lb senior tackle leads the team in sacks at 4, has recorded a respectable 9 tackles (7 of those for a loss (!)), and has one pass deflection.  Also worth noting is his 3 (!) blocked kicks already this year - Short is disruptive, to say the least.  Ryan Russell is a 6'5" 275lb sophomore, and has been disruptive as well.  He has recorded 13 tackles (4.5 of those for a loss) and 2 sacks so far this year.  Bruce Gaston is a 6'2" 303lb junior tackle who has chipped in 8 tackles, half of those were for for a loss.  So they have the ability to put pressure on you from the middle and the end.

At linebacker, the Boilermakers lost Dwayne Beckford just before the season started.  Beckford was the team's second leading tackler last year but was told to pack his bags after his 4th (!) arrest since 2011.  Will Lucas, a 5' 11" junior, is the team's leading tackler with 25 and has also recorded one sack.  Joe Gilliam is a 6' 1" 227lb sophomore that has chipped in 15 tackles (of which zero were for a loss).  Not the most disruptive linebackers you will find, but serviceable nonetheless.

So there are some good to playmakers in their lineup, but even their own fans are worried about whether or not they can maintain tough defensive play for a full 60 minutes. Here's a quote from Boiled Sports after the Marshall game -

Tim Tibesar's defense has been good when it's needed to be, but consistency is still tough to come by

Read the whole article here - http://www.boiledsports.com/2012/10/distant-replay-purdue-marshall.html

Something else I found interesting was comparing how Purdue's run defense ranked versus their opponent's opponents defense (?).  I'm pretty sure I said that wrong, but here's are the charts of Purdue's opponents and how they performed against their other scheduled opponents (better way to say it?)  Anyways....rankings are determined by yards per carry.

 




  EASTERN KENTUCKY
    CAR YARDS AVG TD
2 PURDUE 31 105 3.4 1
4 MOOREHEAD ST 63 282 4.5 2
3 COASTAL CAROLINA 48 217 4.5 3
5 JACKSONVILLE ST 52 327 6.3 2
1 TENNESSEE-MARTIN 48 123 2.6 0

Although Purdue's numbers look good, Tennessee-Martin held Eastern Kentucky to less yards per carry than Purdue.  I'll repeat that because it is worth repeating.  Tennessee-Martin held Eastern Kentucky to less yards per carry than Purdue.  Tennessee-Martin also did not give up a rushing touchdown to Eastern Kentucky.  Next up for Purdue was Notre Dame.

 




  NOTRE DAME
    CAR YARDS AVG TD
4 NAVY 46 293 6.4 5
1 PURDUE 36 52 1.4 1
3 MICHIGAN STATE 34 122 3.6 1
2 MICHIGAN 31 94 3.1 1

This is the game that is driving the hype.  While this game is a stellar performance by the Boilermakers, I would probably apply a jet lag/Ireland factor here on Notre Dame's flat performance.  Even then FWIW, Notre Dame hasn't done well rushing the ball at all this year either (unless you count Navy), so there is that.  The following week we can see why there is concern about consistency in the front seven.

 




  EASTERN MICHIGAN
    CAR YARDS AVG TD
4 BALL STATE 33 180 5.5 1
2 ILLINOIS STATE 32 103 3.2 1
3 PURDUE 38 169 4.4 1
1 MICHIGAN STATE 29 46 1.6 0

Purdue gave up slightly less yards than Ball State and just as many rushing touchdowns.  Giving up more yards and more yards per carry than Illinois State and just as many touchdowns.  Looking at their last game, you could say that Purdue did well by keeping Marshall under 100 yards, but a further look at Marshall's rushing performance tells a different story.

 




  MARSHALL
    CAR YARDS AVG TD
2 WEST VIRGINIA 45 132 2.9 2
3 WESTERN CAROLINA 48 185 3.9 2
1 OHIO 22 59 2.7 0
5 RICE 50 334 6.7 6
4 PURDUE 23 95 4.5 0

This shows that Marshall doesn't run the ball well, unless they're playing Rice.  Purdue also gave up 70% of the yards that West Virginia did in half the amount of carries.

 

So while I was hoping to debunk Purdue's front seven, it looks like they are pretty legit.  Well...sometimes.  So which version will show up on Saturday?  If we get the Notre Dame version we will be in for a long day on the ground.  If we get the Eastern Michigan version, Denard and Fitz should have an easy day.  I'm hoping for the latter, obviously.

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October 2nd, 2012 at 2:27 PM | I think (hope) we see more of (Score:3 Normal)
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I think (hope) we see more of the Eastern Michigan version. Notre Dame's offense is a major work in progress, as we witnessed first hand. I'm not saying our offense is a world beater by any means, but when Denard and Fitz get going, it is tough to stop them. I think Notre Dame's defensive front seven is pretty legit, but I still question Purdue's.

We shall see what happens Saturday, but remember we have had the bye week to work on the small things. We will be ready to go and I think we beat the spread pretty easily.

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October 2nd, 2012 at 2:27 PM | Supplemental Stuff (Score:5 Normal)
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I went to the NCAA Statistics Archive for a few other tidbits as I found the portion about run defense intriguing in particular.

In their 4 games, teams have attempted 128 carries for 426 net yards, or 3.33 yards per carry. In the same number of games, the teams who have played us carried the ball 180 times for 728 net yards, or 4.04 yards per carry. Of course, we've had the national champions and a triple-option team in there, so I hope our ability to stop ND (all of 94 rushing yards in 31 carries) is what we actually are, as that would mean we're significantly better than Purdue in this regard.

As for passing defense, ours is actually ranked 9th nationally right now, whereas Purdue sits at 81 for the time being. I feel comfortable with that in particular.

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October 2nd, 2012 at 2:38 PM | While the rusing numbers are (Score:3 Normal)
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While the rusing numbers are understandable, as mentioned by you in regards to the two offenses we have faced in Alabama and Air Force, the passing numbers as just as understandable for the same reason (in my opinion).

Since our secondary hasn't been tested too much via the pass, I am witholding judgement in regards to those numbers. 

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October 2nd, 2012 at 2:59 PM | You're Right, Of Course... (Score:4 Normal)
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The numbers are admittedly a little skewed after four games and with teams having facing different orders of competition, different offenses, and the like. Our 9th-ranked passing defense has seen 47 of 89 completed (52.8%) for an average of 154.5 yards per game. Purdue has seen 91 of 158 completed against them (57.6%) for an average of 248 yard per game. You're right though to point that out - we've seen the 82nd (Alabama), 113th (Air Force) and 85th (ND) pass offenses, and they've seen Marshall (3rd).

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October 2nd, 2012 at 3:18 PM | I thought it might be (Score:3 Normal)
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I thought it might be relevant to take out Air Force's passing stats against us, but they actually attempted just as many passes as ND, and only 2 fewer than Bama did. Even so, if you take out AF (on the assumption that they aren't a good passing team), our passing D has done pretty well:

36/69 (52%), for 485 yards, which comes out to just over 7 YPA and 161.67 YPG.

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October 2nd, 2012 at 2:32 PM | I like this. What about their (Score:2)
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I like this. What about their secondary? Are they any good? If their front 7 is average and their secondary has a bad day, we should be able to move the ball well on the ground and through the air.

It's probably hard to tell much about their secondary since they've played three shit teams, and a good team who can't throw.

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October 2nd, 2012 at 2:42 PM | Their corners (Score:2)
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Their corners are pretty good and they are pretty disruptive.  Ricardo Allen is a junior and Josh Johnson is a senior, Allen does well and Johnson is pretty good.  Johnson has 2 picks, one he returned for 74 yards.  He also has 6 pass break ups and 1 tackle for loss.  He is all over the field.

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October 2nd, 2012 at 2:52 PM | Wow. Nothing you posted makes (Score:3 Normal)
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Wow. Nothing you posted makes me feel any better or agree with your assertion that Purdue's front 7 is some kind of "myth".

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October 2nd, 2012 at 2:55 PM | The ND numbers against Purdue (Score:3 Normal)
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The ND numbers against Purdue were also slanted by them missing RB Cierre Wood for that game, and QB Golson scrambling for negative yards repeatedly in his second start. The offense was pretty one dimensional that day, they even pulled Golson to secure the last second win at home.

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October 2nd, 2012 at 3:05 PM | Keep in mind that for the (Score:3 Normal)
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Keep in mind that for the ND/Purdue game, ND was without Cierre Wood.  Theo Riddick averaged 3.5 yards a carry, so not good, but not as stiffiling as the less than 2 yards of team stats.  ND had -40 yards in sacks.  Now that's a whole different story if we want to talk about it, but sheds some light on the rushing stats.  I would like to actually see the game film; I did not get a chance to watch that game.

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October 2nd, 2012 at 2:56 PM | I feel like this is diary (Score:5 Normal)
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I feel like this is diary material. Well done.

Personally, I think we'll be alright. We handled ND's dline pretty well, and I don't think Purdue has enough athletes to blitz like ND did and see much success with it.

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October 2nd, 2012 at 3:09 PM | Seconded. (Score:3 Normal)
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Though I rarely bring it up, because sometimes I feel like people don't pay as much attention to the Diaries, so it gets less notice up there, even though it's permanent.

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October 2nd, 2012 at 2:56 PM | I think Purdue will give us (Score:2)
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I think Purdue will give us trouble. We are on the road and have not played a consistent game from start to finish. I hope we can show some consistency and not turn the ball over, we do that and we can win. If we are throwing pick 6's to Allen and Johnson we are in trouble.

 

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October 2nd, 2012 at 7:16 PM | key phrase (Score:2 Normal)
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not turn the ball over 

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October 2nd, 2012 at 2:59 PM | I would think the ND v Purdue numbers (Score:2)
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are a function of two things (without having seen the game)

1. Having Kawaan Short as your DT
2. And ND seeming to have a terrible interior OL.

I mean, ND's line couldn't single-block Big Will or QWash whereas no one else seems to really have that issue. Purdue's front 7 seems good..but not great

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October 2nd, 2012 at 3:07 PM | I'm not sure this is giving (Score:5 Normal)
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I'm not sure this is giving enough credit to the development of Campbell and Washington.  The UFR was pretty definitive.   I am hopeful that it wasn't an abberation and can't wait to see them play again.

 


 
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October 2nd, 2012 at 7:20 PM | I hope you're right (Score:3 Normal)
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but I'm not ready to drink that koolaid yet. Three 'eh' games and then one 'woo!' game gets me to "I'll wait and see"

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October 2nd, 2012 at 3:18 PM | This is a huge game, i think (Score:2 Normal)
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This is a huge game, i think we will be fine but we cant afford to lose this game. I think we stop short at the point of attack we will be just fine, i know easier said then done.

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The other nice thing about Purdue is that their offense is pretty bad. ND's defense, who couldn't stop us at all unless we were throwing them the ball or putting it on the turf, shut down Purdue pretty well. Purdue scored 17 points, but 7 of those were from an ND turnover at their own 15. They had 288 yards of total offense on 71 plays for about 4 yards per play, but most of that production was from Marve, there was a steep drop off when TerBush came in.

We should keep Purdue to single digits.

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October 2nd, 2012 at 3:49 PM | Thank you for the bump to a (Score:2)
death by trident
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Thank you for the bump to a diary and adding the UFR from last year.  Reading the UFR has spurned the following thoughts

  1. We miss you David Molk
  2. Koger shutting down the DE = Kwiatkowski performance vesus ND not a fluke = good times
  3. We managed to protect Denard well
  4. RPS was good, so I'm hoping that Borges uses the edge as well as he did last year
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October 2nd, 2012 at 5:26 PM | I assume you mean spawned. (Score:3 Normal)
SirJack II
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I assume you mean spawned.

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October 2nd, 2012 at 8:11 PM | Re: Spurned/Spawned (Score:3 Normal)
death by trident
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You're right. I've been misusing that word for some time now. Thanks.

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October 2nd, 2012 at 3:58 PM | I think the Purdue defense (Score:5 Normal)
MGoLogan
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I think the Purdue defense has a few elite parts and a few below average parts.  I believe their DT's (Short and Gaston) are the best interior DL in the Big Ten, while their ends are only average.  I also believe they have the best CB tandem in the Big Ten in Johnson & Allen, while their safties are average, or maybe even slightly below average.  The weakest group on the Purdue defense is definitely their LB's.  All 3 LB's are small and somewhat lacking in terms of athleticism.  Similar to last year, UM will most likely struggle running the ball up the middle, but will be able to reach the edge with relative ease. 

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October 2nd, 2012 at 5:09 PM | Interesting (Score:2 Normal)
True_Blue
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Thanks for posting.

Hail! to the Victors Valiant Hail!

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October 2nd, 2012 at 10:29 PM | The dts are scary (Score:1)
m1jjb00
Joined: 11/21/2009
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The lbs do not scare me

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October 2nd, 2012 at 11:37 PM | "So which version will show (Score:3 Normal)
UMgradMSUdad
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"So which version will show up Saturday?"

Likely both will.  As others have noted, Purdue does seem to have two top notch DTs.  However, if we can sustain long drives on offense (which I don't see why they shouldn't be able to), they'll need to rotate backup DTs in more often.  There appears to be a rather significant drop off in experience and skill with their backups.

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