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By Ron Utah — January 7th, 2013 at 2:40 PM — 28 comments
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After a disappointing end to a disappointing season I found myself looking for answers beyond "Al Borges just doesn't know how to use Denard!" and "ESSSSSEEEEEECEEEEEE!" I was curious what, if anything, tangibly separated the two-loss BCS Bowl winning season of yesteryear from the five-loss fumble that saw us fall to (almost) everyone that had a legitimate chance to beat us.  Of course, obvious is obvious, and the schedule was unkind, but what else happened?  And what does it mean for 2013?

2012 Stats:

  Michigan Opponents
Scoring 29.8 19.8
1st Downs 249 237
1st Downs (Rush - Pass - Penalty) 112 - 113 - 24 116 - 101 - 20
Rushing (Att - Yds - Avg - TD) 502 - 2389 - 4.76 - 27 514 - 1957 - 3.81 - 9
Passer Rating 130.39 127.84
Passing Yds 2591 2203
Pass (Att - Comp - % - INT - TD) 318 - 169 - 53.1% - 19 - 20 330 - 198 - 60.0% - 7 - 16
Total Offense (Att - Avg - Yds) 820 - 6.07 - 4980 844 -4.93 - 4160
Punt Returns (Att - Avg - TD) 16 - 8.81 - 0 20 - 10.15 - 1
Kick Returns (Att - Avg - TD) 42 - 22.05 - 0 48 - 23.25 - 0
Punting (Att - Avg) 44 - 42.59 58 - 42.36
INT (# - Yds - TD) 7 - 127 - 1 19 - 225 - 2
Fumbles (# - Lost) 17 - 8 22 - 11
Penalties (# - Yds) 62 - 641 84 - 719
Time of Possession 30:10.38 29:49.62
3rd Down (Att - %) 173 - 50.29% 178 - 35.96%
4thd Down (Att - %) 13 - 69.23% 21 - 42.86%
Red Zone (Att - %) 46 - 93.48% 42 - 80.95%
FG (Att - Conv - %) 21 - 18 - 85.7% 30 - 21 - 70%
PATS (Att - %) 46 - 100% 25 - 100%
2 Pt (Att - Conv - %) 2 - 0 - 0% 3 - 1 - 33%
Record (Home / Away) 6-0 / 2-5 0-6 / 5-2
Turnovers 27 18

2011 Stats:

  Michigan Opponents
Scoring 33.3 17.4
1st Downs 270 224
1st Downs (Rush - Pass - Penalty) 148 - 97 -25 94 - 115 - 15
Rushing (Att - Yds - Avg - TD) 560 - 2884 - 5.15 - 31 429 - 1712 - 3.99 - 14
Passer Rating 139.18 120.48
Passing Yds 2377 2476
Pass (Att - Comp - % - INT - TD) 284 - 155 - 54.6% - 16 - 22 374 - 221 - 59.1% - 9 - 12
Total Offense (Att - Avg - Yds) 844 - 6.23 - 5261 803 - 5.22 - 4188
Punt Returns (Att - Avg - TD) 22 - 9.00 - 0 21 - 9.19 - 0
Kick Returns (Att - Avg - TD) 35 - 18.43 - 0 57 - 21.44 - 0
Punting (Att - Avg) 46 - 38.04 66 - 39.70
INT (# - Yds - TD) 9 - 163 - 1 16 - 121 - 1
Fumbles (# - Lost) 19 - 6 25 - 20
Penalties (# - Yds) 53 - 458 92 - 802
Time of Possession 31:15.15 27:28.31
3rd Down (Att - %) 168 - 47.02% 173 - 36.42%
4thd Down (Att - %) 17 - 58.82% 21 - 38.1%
Red Zone (Att - %) 58 - 84.48% 41 - 68.29%
FG (Att - Conv - %) 17 - 13 - 76.5% 15 - 12 - 80%
PATS (Att - %) 55 - 98.2% 26 - 100%
2 Pt (Att - Conv - %) 1 - 0% 1 - 100%
Record (Home / Away) 8-0 / 3-2 0-8 / 2-3
Turnovers 22 29

A lot of this is just useless numbers; much of the difference can be attributed to quality of opponent and the number of road games.   A quick look at the non-conference schedule basically has Alabama replacing Western Michigan and Air Force replacing San Diego State--both significant--with UMass roughly equivalent to EMU and ND = ND.  That said, ND and 'Bama are #1 and #2, and both of those games were away from the Big House.  Ohio is now coached by one of the top 3 coaches in the game (like him or not) instead Finkel and Einhorn.  Taylor Martinez learned how to throw.  Denard got hurt.  Blah, blah, blah.

But I do believe there are some golden nuggets (or perhaps corn nuggets, depending on your half-full/half-empty attitude on Monday Morning) that help explain what went wronger (to quote Kanye) this year.  Here are the highlights:

  • Turnovers.  It's more more than a little disturbing that our turnover margin went from +7 to -9.  I did not realize the difference was so vast.  This is a -16 swing in the margin category, and could explain the difference in our success all by itself.  One of the huge factors here was our mythical fumble recovery rate in 2011; we scooped-up 80% of our opponents dropsies last year and returned to a normal 50% this year.  If you replace last year's fumble recovery rate with this year's, however, the difference between the two margins is still is -8.5.  We forced more fumbles last year, had two more INTs, and threw three fewer INTs.  Not having Countess certainly factored-in here, and I have a conspiracy theory that I will reveal later about the INTs.
  • Rushing.  It is inconceivable that Borges got dumberer between this season and last.  With a year under his belt and an off-season to think about ways to use Denard more effectively, I was hoping for better.  That said, the O-line performance was dramatically different.  RR is quoted as saying that Molk was worth two wins; I'm sure I did not believe that when I read it, and I'm sure I do believe it now.  The Barnum & Mealer circus on the interior O-line did us no favors here, and my conspiracy theory factors in as well.
  • Passing.  This, to me, is one of the pivot points.  I was shocked to see that our 2012 passer rating was actually lower than 2011.  Where is the DG effect?  Well, it's there.  DG posted an astounding 161.66 rating in 2012, with 9.7 yds/att.  That puts him in elite company.  Only five teams posted better passer ratings than DG this season -- Georgia, 'Bama, San Jose State, Clemson, and West Virginia, and only Georgia had a higher yds/att.  Denard's rating, on the other hand, dropped from 139.73 to 126.63.  This is a sizeable decrease in rating, and makes no sense when you consider Borges' history of improving passers.  Some of this can be attributed to a weaker O-line, but I believe the lion's share is more about...
  • CONSPIRACY THEORY.  During the off-season and before the 'Bama game, I often said that I believed our success in 2012 would hinge on Denard's progress as a passer.  With a year of Big Al's grooming, I was sure Denard would take at least a large step forward, if not a leap.  There was no doubt in my mind that using slants, curls, and other quick routes to some effect would open-up some much needed space for Denard to be Denard without 8-9 defenders keying on him.  This, of course, didn't happen.  Why not?  Here is my theory: Denard's nerve injury was affecting him all season long.  My evidence is certainly not conclusive, but we do know that Denard had dealt with numbness in his throwing hand in previous seasons, and we are certain that the play on which the nerve finally said "UNCLE!" against Nebraska looked super-ultra-mega-hyper-tetra-uber-harmless.  Further evidence showed-up in Denard's passing, even early on.  Against 'Bama he missed some easy slants in the first quarter that had been his bread-and-butter in previous years, and his downfield passing was bad this year even if you count Taco Pants as an eligible receiver.  I do not believe that Junior Hemingway would have helped Denard much this year; his passing was just bad.  And I do not believe that our WRs were that much worse this year.  My theory is that Denard's ulnar nerve degraded during camp, and even more so during the season, and that what happened at Nebraska was simply the final straw.  Don't get me wrong--I don't think they were giving him cortizone shots just so he could play, but I do believe the injury may have been affecting him all season and the subtle difference it made significantly impacted Denard's already shaky passing ability.  The silver lining here is that Denard was never going to be an NFL QB, and now that is not even an option.  He's also had almost half of a season to learn how to play not QB (not sure what position he did learn, though) and I look forward to watching him on Sundays.
  • Defense.  Both the stats and the eyeballs tell you that the defense was not significantly different year-over-year.  That said, eight fewer sacks and 11 fewer turnovers are game-changing differences, and while quality of opponent is a factor here, so is luck (fumble recoveries), injuries (Countess), and pass rush (RVB, Martin).  It simply is not fair to lay all of the blame for this year's record at the feet of the offense--the defense did not create enough turnovers.  The defense MUST make more game-changing plays in 2013 if we are going to have a successful (B1G Championship) season.
  • Schedule.  Obvious is obvious, but it's worth mentioning that while Hoke hasn't yet lost at the Big House, he's 5-7 on the road.  Yuck.

Outlook and mandatory 2013 predictions:

Extrapolating the data points and eyeball examinations leads to lots of different conclusions: some pretty obvious, some hopeful, and some "I have no freakin' idea where that came from."  Of course, since this is an internet blog, I'll give you all of them, even though they are entirely amateur.  But as a sort of CYA disclaimer, I'll add a DGuarantee  1-5 scale: 5 meaning you can bet the farm it will happen, and 1 being more like a Mayan calendar-type prediction.

  • Offense: 3.  This one lands squarely in the middle on the DGuarantee scale, which is about as courageous Lloyd Carr on 4th down, but my reasoning (excuse) is solid.  I believe you can bet all of your possessions and everything in East Lansing that our passing game will be vastly improved next season.  Give that a 5. DG will have a full year to play QB, and he will be the man for the whole year.  He was playing at a high level this season, and loses only Roy Roundtree as a WR.  While I do love Roy, I believe the incoming Darboh/Chesson effect will more than replace his production.  Gallon, who ended the year on a tear, will be a year better and will be dominant.  Dileo is The Threat.  The O-line is a little bit questionable, but Schofield will hold his own at  LT in the passing the game, and given the talent we have replacing the other four spots, I just don't see a dramatic drop-off in pass-blocking performance.  There will be some head-scratching sacks as freshmen act like freshmen and do some matador-style blocking on missed assignments, but we had plenty of that this year too, and DG is good on the run.  The running game is a 1.  I don't have a freakin' clue.  It's not going to have Denard anymore, and that's obviously a blow.  But it will also be rid of the interior O-line, and will filled with huge, strong, talented players.  My prediction here based on flimsy evidence is that our YPC stays in the same 4.75 neighborhood (putting us around 40th nationally) but includes fewer big plays (Denard, duh) and far fewer negative plays.  The RB situation is as big a question mark as the O-line--Rawls showed promise but never more than that, Hayes really hasn't had a chance yet, and Toussaint was pretty lousy before his Tarantino-esque injury.  Is Drake Johnson going to prove the rating services wrong (I doubt it)?  Is Norfleet a DB for good (probably)?  There is a very good chance that Derrick Green and Deveon Smith are both on the depth chart next year, and freshmen are always a question mark.  All-in-all I expect our total production to look similar to this year in yards, points, and 3rd down conversions.  RANDOM SIDE NOTE: Say what you will about Al Borges, the guy converts 3rd downs.  Michigan was 6th(!!!) nationally this year, and two teams ahead of us were MWC and CUSA flukes.  Only Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and Clemson were better in the real world.
  • Defense: 4.  Yum Yum.  Even setting aside the fact that our schedule is much more favorable in 2013, I believe our defense is poised to take a big step forward.  Only 5 players are coming off of the entire depth chart, and, while all five were starters, only Kovacs was irreplaceable.  Campbell's back-up at DT (Black) might be an upgrade, and the depth with the 2012 and 2013 recruting classes is solid.  Craig Roh has a veritable platoon of capable back-ups, headlined by Keith Heitzman, with Wormley and Strobel right behind, to say nothing of the 2013 class.  Demens' experience gives way to Bolden's athleticism and instincts (and plenty of snaps) with Ross and RJS available as well.  JT Floyd + Raymon Taylor < Blake Countess + Raymon Taylor, and the depth should be FAR better in 2013, with another year of experience for everyone else and an absurdly good recruiting class.  Kovacs is the guy that we'll miss the most; his leadership, intelligence, and fearlessness were invaluable.  But his replacement will be bigger, faster, and stronger, and Jarrod Wilson got some snaps this year and Furman and M-Rob are waiting in the wings.  This is, without a doubt, the most concerning position, as inexperience at safety often equals big plays for the opposition.  That said, Beyer, Clark, and Ojemudia are all back at WDE and I believe they'll actually produce a pass rush next year.  Black was on a hotstreak at the end of the season can really get after the passer.  QWash is a beast and has Pee Wee behind him; Jake Ryan is, well, JMFR.  Morgan has turned into a very good player whom I believe is NFL-bound, and T. Gordon returns at safety to hopefully create turnovers ala 2011.  I expect both the run defense and the pass defense to improve, the latter more than the former.  I think point and yardage averages similar to 2011 will return, with more takeaways than in 2012, and double-digit INTs for the first time under Hoke/Mattison.  The only thing keeping this from a 5 is the youth and Kovacs effect.
  • Special Teams: 4.  What's sad about our 2012 special teams is that they were almost universally better than our 2011 effort and still weren't very good.  Our punt return average would be about 40th, but we don't return very many punts (damn you spread punt!).  Norfleet was 47th in kick returns.  I have to say that of all of Hoke's units, this is the least impressive.  But The (other) Threat returns in Brendan Gibbons, and Matt Wile is a more than capable back-up at both K and P, and could start if Hagerup gets kicked-off the team (and I believe he will).  Our kick and punt coverage is okay; the guys playing there were mostly young, so I expect improvement.
  • Overall: 4.  Depending on how you define success, this is either a 5 or a 3.  I took the average.  If success is more than wins than 2012, it's a 5.  The schedule alone should get us two more wins.  If success is winning the B1G, it's a 3.  The uncertainty at O-line and RB is too much to overcome what should be a much improved passing game and a better defense.  Even though the schedule is easier, we still have to beat Ohio and Nebraska at home and Penn State and MSU at on the road.  And don't sleep on Northwestern.  That said, the non-conference schedule is marshmellow soft and should give the younger players some time to find their rhythm, and opening conference play with Minnesota at home is generous.  I believe the biggest hurdles are Nebraska and Ohio, and Nebraska doesn't have to play Ohio (stupid divisions!) but does have Penn State on the road (as do we).  The good news on the Corn Huskers side is that they will have faced no one that is good at football before they come to our place; Northwestern the previous week will be the closest thing.

The final verdict is that I believe we finish 9-3, with our youth showing-up just enough to keep us out of the B1G Championship game as Ohio looks poised to win the conference.  I think we'll lose to Ohio, and 2 more losses coming from possibly ND, Nebraska, MSU, Penn State, or Northwestern.  All that said, a 10-2 finish with losses only to ND and Ohio is very possible, and 11-1 is not out of the question.  Beating Ohio is certainly not an impossibility, but I'm not confident a team as young as ours will be next year can go undefeated, and beating them twice seems pretty daunting (a re-match with Ohio in the Championship game seems like a lock if we're able to get there).  Our bowl game is anywhere from the Rose to the Outback; with a BCS NCG (at the Rose) an unlikely outlier.  2014 has road games at Nebraska, Ohio, and Notre Dame, but the team should be in full gear by then, and that is when I expect Hoke to raise another banner and challenge for the NCG.

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January 7th, 2013 at 3:21 PM | Way too optimistic on the offense (Score:1)
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I believe the author is way too optimistic on the state of the offense.  A lot of these concerns get fixed if Green does commit.   But sans a good RB, a running game behind a good offensive line can look pretty bad if there is no one to carry the rock.  As a good sample space look at the first 3 games of the 2004 season.   Even against Miami of Ohio we were unable to establish a running game.   Then Mike Hart gets carries midway through the 1st half against SDSU and we magically have a good running attack. 

If there is no running threat you can kiss any improvement you believe in passing goodby as decent teams will just blitz like crazy and ignore Borges futile blind look play actions.   So you should pray for Green or the 2nd coming of Hart as everyone that was not DR failed terribly.

Now if Green commits lots of good things happen.   Green would have a very similiar impact in my opinion as Clarrett did on the OSU offense in 2001.   Clarrett made the difference between stink and just good enough.  Were talking the same kind of RB.  Not only is Green supposedly a rugged runner who has vision & moves, but he also understands the passing game.   Were talking somone who understands route running and identifying blitzes, items that most young RB's are clueless on.   And when those young linemen blow an assignment, Green is rugged enough to turn a one yard loss into a two yard gain.

Just as a NT is the keystone of the 3-4 defense, I see Green as the keystone for success on offense.

ND will not be a pushover either.

 

 

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January 7th, 2013 at 3:48 PM | What was I way too optimistic (Score:2)
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What was I way too optimistic on?  The YPC of the rushing game?  I don't think 40th in the country is a lofty goal.  The passing game was very good this year with DG at the helm; why wouldn't it improve next year?  And there was no running game this year with Denard out, but that didn't stop DG from playing at a very high level.

I agree that Green could be the X-factor, and I believe we will have him.  That is essentially baked into my predictions.

Of course ND won't be a pushover; they are listed as a possible loss.  But they have ZERO effect on a B1G Championship, which is how Hoke defines success.

Thank you, Coach Hoke, for bringing Michigan back.

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January 7th, 2013 at 5:17 PM | Way to opptimistic and Hart (Score:0 Overrated)
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The passing game looked very good with DG in only because he had the opportunity to play some terrible teams.  Not saying he will not be good.   Just have to account for that.  

Regarding Hart I saw a comment that it waa teams daring Henning to beat them.  I disagree as a Big10 team should be able to clobber a MAC team even if they put 9 in the box.   Its not like UM's running game got stuffed when Navarre was forced to play for an injured Henson against CMU.  

I think we both agree getting Green is pretty important.  But your not going to get 40th if Green does not show.   DR got 100 yards as a RB with the same supposedly impotent Oline that the others could not run behind.   DR got just as many yards with vision and ruggedness as speed.  So I will stand by my assertion the Oline was not as bad as people claim.

 

 

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January 7th, 2013 at 6:04 PM | Devin Gardner tore up a (Score:5 Normal)
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Devin Gardner tore up a Minnesota secondary that did *ok* against Texas Tech's air raid offense.  And that was with one week of practice.  

I'm not saying that DG = Peyton Manning, but I think we can safely conclude that the passing game will not be a weakness with him at QB.

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January 7th, 2013 at 7:27 PM | What? (Score:3 Normal)
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DG's passer rating and numbers also include games against Ohio and South Carolina.  I think it's fair to say his five games are a representative sample of the competition level he'll be facing next year.  It's not like his numbers were just pulled from two games.

As for Green's impact, I think if he comes we'll be better than 40th; without him we're probably a bit worse.  However, I think we'll be in the top 50 with or without him (averaging around 175 yds/game or 4.5 YPC).

Thank you, Coach Hoke, for bringing Michigan back.

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January 7th, 2013 at 4:20 PM | "I believe you can bet all of (Score:3 Normal)
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"I believe you can bet all of your possessions and everything in East Lansing that our passing game will be vastly improved next season."

This does not sound like someone who has a lot of confidence.  Do posessions include debt?

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January 7th, 2013 at 4:30 PM | As a good sample space look (Score:4 Normal)
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As a good sample space look at the first 3 games of the 2004 season. Even against Miami of Ohio we were unable to establish a running game. Then Mike Hart gets carries midway through the 1st half against SDSU and we magically have a good running attack.

But there was a major confounding factor there: the Miami (Oh) game was Chad Henne's career debut, and MU, like any defense in that situation, naturally wanted to take away the run and dare the frosh QB to beat them. It took a few games in 2004 for Henne to get settled in.

 At this level, almost anyone playing RB will look decent if he has good blocking. Take Iowa.  They're constantly scrambling to find new RBs because of all the injuries, but it seems like whoever they throw in there ends up averaging around 5 ypc, even when it's a walk-on.  I doubt Mark Weisman is more talented than Fitz Toussaint, but the guys blocking for him opened up more holes.

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January 8th, 2013 at 10:47 PM | Agreed. Once the (Score:1)
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O-line gets established and builds on some experience, good things will happen.  Maybe that will be later this season, or maybe next.  But domination will come, and some lucky RB will be running through gaping holes for 6+ yards a crack.   Think early 90's when 3rd stringer Ed Davis was running wild in games.  Yes, it was awesome to have Weatley and Powers rolling up big yardage, but a great O-line can make a wheelbarrow look like a Ferrari ( no dis to Davis- he was great back ).

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January 8th, 2013 at 9:46 AM | Don't forget Fitz, who (Score:1)
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Don't forget Fitz, who remains a very talented back. The big question, in my mind, is how fast the young OL can mature and gel. This is why I think we should look for a good team next year but circle 14 and 15.

 

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January 7th, 2013 at 3:46 PM | Another view (Score:4 Normal)
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  Michigan 2012 Michigan 2011
Scoring 29.8 33.3
1st Downs 249 270
1st Downs (Rush - Pass - Penalty) 112 - 113 - 24 148 - 97 -25
Rushing (Att - Yds - Avg - TD) 502 - 2389 - 4.76 - 27 560 - 2884 - 5.15 - 31
Passer Rating 130.39 139.18
Passing Yds 2591 2377
Pass (Att - Comp - % - INT - TD) 318 - 169 - 53.1% - 19 - 20 284 - 155 - 54.6% - 16 - 22
Total Offense (Att - Avg - Yds) 820 - 6.07 - 4980 844 - 6.23 - 5261
Punt Returns (Att - Avg - TD) 16 - 8.81 - 0 22 - 9.00 - 198
Kick Returns (Att - Avg - TD) 42 - 22.05 - 0 35 - 18.43 - 0
Punting (Att - Avg) 44 - 42.59 46 - 38.04
INT (# - Yds - TD) 7 - 127 - 1 9 - 163 - 1
Fumbles (# - Lost) 17 - 8 19 - 6
Penalties (# - Yds) 62 - 641 53 - 458
Time of Possession 30:10.4 31:15.2
3rd Down (Att - %) 173 - 50.29% 168 - 47.02%
4thd Down (Att - %) 13 - 69.23% 17 - 58.82%
Red Zone (Att - %) 46 - 93.48% 58 - 84.48%
FG (Att - Conv - %) 21 - 18 - 85.7% 17 - 13 - 76.5%
PATS (Att - %) 46 - 100% 55 - 98.2%
2 Pt (Att - Conv - %) 2 - 0 - 0% 1 - 0%
Record (Home / Away) 6-0 / 2-5 8-0 / 3-2
Turnovers 27 22 

 

 



  Opponents 2012 Opponents 2011
Scoring 19.8 17.4
1st Downs 237 224
1st Downs (Rush - Pass - Penalty) 116 - 101 - 20 94 - 115 - 15
Rushing (Att - Yds - Avg - TD) 514 - 1957 - 3.81 - 9 429 - 1712 - 3.99 - 14
Passer Rating 127.84 120.48
Passing Yds 2203 2476
Pass (Att - Comp - % - INT - TD) 330 - 198 - 60.0% - 7 - 16 374 - 221 - 59.1% - 9 - 12
Total Offense (Att - Avg - Yds) 844 -4.93 - 4160 803 - 5.22 - 4188
Punt Returns (Att - Avg - TD) 20 - 10.15 - 1 21 - 9.19 - 0
Kick Returns (Att - Avg - TD) 48 - 23.25 - 0 57 - 21.44 - 0
Punting (Att - Avg) 58 - 42.36 66 - 39.70
INT (# - Yds - TD) 19 - 225 - 2 16 - 121 - 1
Fumbles (# - Lost) 22 - 11 25 - 20
Penalties (# - Yds) 84 - 719 92 - 802
Time of Possession 29:49.6 27:28.3
3rd Down (Att - %) 178 - 35.96% 173 - 36.42%
4thd Down (Att - %) 21 - 42.86% 21 - 38.1%
Red Zone (Att - %) 42 - 80.95% 41 - 68.29%
FG (Att - Conv - %) 30 - 21 - 70% 15 - 12 - 80%
PATS (Att - %) 25 - 100% 26 - 100%
2 Pt (Att - Conv - %) 3 - 1 - 33% 1 - 100%
Record (Home / Away) 0-6 / 5-2 0-8 / 2-3
Turnovers 18 29
 

 

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January 7th, 2013 at 3:45 PM | 2014 (Score:2 Normal)
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That seems maybe a year early to be competing for the NCG.  Having most of our toughest games on the road is unhelpful.  I assume the OP anticipates a senior Devin Gardner leading that team--if the redshirt doesn't come through, it seems really unlikely we will compete for the NCG with a new QB.  I think 2015, when the OL is in its third year pretty much together, Morris is a redshirt (hopefully) sophomore, and we have senior LBs in Ross and Bolden together with depth in the defensive backfield, is the year to circle.  The schedule also flips to the more favorable home/away split that year.  Hopefully, it comes sooner.

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January 7th, 2013 at 9:31 PM | The Rutgers Terrapins Factor (Score:2)
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It's hard to know what our schedule will look like by the time Rutgers and Maryland arrive in 2014. I expect the home/away year-to-year "swing" will be revised, certainly.

They don't realize that there's this, like, lattice of coincidence that lays on top of everything.
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January 7th, 2013 at 4:22 PM | Your conspiracy theory could (Score:4 Normal)
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Your conspiracy theory could have some truth to it.  Wasn't Denard's injury against Illinois related to that same nerve?

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January 7th, 2013 at 4:39 PM | He left a few games with (Score:2)
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He left a few games with "numbness" in 2011.  I'm not exactly sure which ones, and too lazy to do the research now, but I remember seeing him flexing his hand and holding his arm.  Hoke was obviously familiar with the injury as well, and it was clear they had dealt with it.  I'm not positive how many games it had previously affected, but I'd love to know.

Thank you, Coach Hoke, for bringing Michigan back.

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January 7th, 2013 at 6:38 PM | The Numbness (Score:1)
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I remember that he came out  for a while during the Iowa  game in 2011 after what appeared to be hitting his elbow on the helmet of a Hawkeye defender. They worked on him for a while on the sideline, as I recall, but he came back in eventually. I think he did leave the Illinois game in  2011 with what was called a "hand injury" (it might have been "wrist" as well - working from memory here) as  well. 

 

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January 7th, 2013 at 7:30 PM | Staph infection (Score:2)
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It's the same elbow the supposed staph infection was on; he was wearing a pad on it in the Minny game.  I wonder if that treatment contributed to the nerve damage, or had anything to do with it.

Thank you, Coach Hoke, for bringing Michigan back.

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January 7th, 2013 at 8:12 PM | conspiracy/turnovers (Score:2)
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Thanks for the analysis.

I 100% subscribe to the conspiracy theory, and believe it affected him at times in 2011.

On turnovers, they are mainly luck, and, as the statisticians say, reversion to the mean is to be expected.  I think it is Phil Steele who pegs this as the main determining factor in big changes in wins and losses season to season.

K.O.K.law

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January 7th, 2013 at 9:20 PM | I think fumble recoveries are (Score:2)
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I think fumble recoveries are mostly luck, but not interceptions.  Teams that pressure the passer and cover well are going to get more than bad defensive teams, and good quarterbacks will throw fewer than bad quarterbacks will.

 

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January 7th, 2013 at 9:21 PM | Generally agree (Score:1)
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I agree that 9-3 seems the most likely, and that 10-2 and 8-4 are quite possible.  I also agree that OSU will be a tough game due to our young team, which really sucks because we play them in Columbus in 2014 and when is the last time we won there?  Going 0-3 to Meyer sounds bleak...let's not talk about that any more.  I think NW is the favorite to win the division next year, that will not be an easy game on the road.  Our schedule is much better in general though.  Some things that stand out to me are...

1. The defense MUST make more game-changing plays in 2013 if we are going to have a successful (B1G Championship) season.

2. We need to find a way to generate a 1,000 yard rusher, preferably a running back.

3. Our offensive line needs to be more effective next year.

4. We have to get better at our turnover margin.

 

If we can do 3 of 4 of those we'll be fine.  If we don't accomplish at least two we could have another season just like this one. 

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January 8th, 2013 at 10:05 AM | Hoke will point to Ohio (Score:2)
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I think that Ohio will be a very tough win next year, but that Hoke, Mattison, and Borges will do everything in their power to win that game. I hate the meme, but "Hoke gets it" is true. Beating Ohio will really depend on the running game (having one,) secondary health (need Countess,) and overall injuries or lack thereof (for both teams.) If we have Green, if the Michigan OL jells by then, if Countess returns to form, if all other key players are healthy, I actually believe we will win that game. 

"It does not matter how many times you get knocked down, but how many times you get up." Vince Lombardi

 

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January 7th, 2013 at 11:20 PM | 198 punt returns for a TD in (Score:1)
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198 punt returns for a TD in 2011 seems a little high...

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January 8th, 2013 at 4:45 AM | Not a reply to 198 punt return yds, but to season in general (Score:4 Insightful)
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No one could forecast that among our five losses would be the two BCS Championships foean undefeated OSU team and -Denard vs. NU when we were about to take the lead and a good SEC team that we lost to in the final drive, after numerous missed sack attempts. LIVE AND LEARN BABY!!!!!. From those of us watching on the sidelines, it was very disturbing why two of those were losses, specifically ND and OSU. But, upon retrospect we can agree with RR that speed will make the difference, especially when your DE and CB make the ND qb a non factor, as he preached. Speed, speed, speed. Alas, Brady knows this just as well and is recruiting players that will help negate the effectiveness of a Miller, Gholson, etc ., and to my knowledge. Domino hasn't been dumb enouigh to put Bama on our early season schecule again.

We lost to three teams that had a combined one loss record, one, a SEC team with two losses and one a DR minus(after the first quarter) that all but sealed their victory. It was somewhat sad to see ND have to face Bama in the BCS title game  inasmuch as ND plays by the rules as well as all BIG teams minus sparty and Tosu.

Good news is, and believe me as a fSormer coach, it's easier to build around a known-Devin- than a freak of nature that you don't quite know to do with. In my estimation, Borges did a damn good job when he finally figured out who his qb was, minus, of course, the second half of the OSU game. That was ours' for the taking. In final analysis, the coaches lost two games thatshould have been ours, béut all coaches have bad days. I expect, in the future, 10 win seasons much like Bo produced when he only had 11 or 12 games to do so. We r in good hands.  

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January 8th, 2013 at 10:27 AM | Great Post (Score:2)
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There are so many things you've said that are fascinating, and I'd really like to know more.

  • Which game (besides, Ohio, obv.) did the coaches lose? Alabama we were going to lose no matter what. Was ND on Denard's passing, or on coaching? (I also blamed Smith for that lousy pass.) Was Nebraska on the injury, or coaching. South Carolina was on the defense, but I especially blame Floyd, and the failure to get a better rush. Was that loss on execution, or coaching?
  • The South Carolina game . . . so many "if only" plays. If only Countess was healthy. If only Floyd wasn't suspended. If only Black wraps up the QB. So Wolfman: how much do you blame Black, how much do you blame Floyd?
  • How do you feel about the OL in 2013?
  • Who would you keep an eye on for a breakout season next year?
  • How do you feel about Michigan's chances with Ohio next year?
  • Are there any incoming Freshman you really expect to see produce almost immediately?

"It does not matter how many times you get knocked down, but how many times you get up." Vince Lombardi

 

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January 10th, 2013 at 11:21 AM | ND/OSU :-( balance out with (Score:1)
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MSU/NU :-).  The 2012 coaching staff bet the farm mulitple times and came up short.  There will undoubtedly be less betting in the coming years and more Ws.  

Denard in the final analysis was an epic mis-cast once RR was forced out.  Borges did not make the power move and compromised other QBs in not doing so.

I'm looking for Mattison to build a lasting legacy.  Taylor coming back is huge.  

Thanks for the post Wolfman.  

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January 8th, 2013 at 9:33 AM | We're solid, not elite (Score:1)
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The memo and data highlight a central point - our statistical productivity was basically the same in both yours other than TO margin. I would deem the TO margin as part of luck between the 2 years.

One "lucky" play to score a last second TD vs ND in 2012 and one "unlucky" play to prevent the last second win in 2011 would yield 9-3 both years and consecutive Capital Bowl trips.

Going forward, we have a substantial upperclassmen talent gap vs ND and OSU for a couple years. Mathlete has a clear chart to prove it or just look at the paucity of NFL prospects among the 2012 starters.

Until we have more playmakers and team speed, 9-3 seasons are the norm.

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January 8th, 2013 at 11:04 AM | Those numbers aren't really that different (Score:1)
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Especially on defense. Turnovers being the major exception. 

So why the extra 3 losses? Schedule. Here's what we got in 2012: 

*Alabama as a non-conference opponent.

*Notre Dame away.

*Nebraska away.

*Ohio away (and this time coached well).

*A better bowl opponent than we had last year. 

...and what did we gain in exchange? A disappointing MSU at home. A much worse Iowa at home.

Maybe we don't go 8-5 with a few things going our way. I think, for example, without the Denard injury, we win at Nebraska. But we weren't going to win the Alabama game, and both ND and Ohio are considerably harder to beat on the road than at home. 

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January 8th, 2013 at 5:52 PM | Conspiracy Theory (Score:2)
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I like your theory and there could be some merit to it based on results.....but I see a major flaw.  Why would the coaches move Gardner to WR if they knew something was amiss with Denard's elbow?  Even if they thought it was just a nagging injury, they went all-in on Gardner as a WR even as late in the year as Nebraska (hence the Bellomy-experience of that game). 

The only thing you might be able to sell me on is that the nerve was a minor annoyance to Denard that didn't warrant attention from a trainer or doctor but did affect his mechanics. 

 

Another theory I've had about the running game this year was whether defenses designed their entire gameplan around stopping the run based on having seen Denard throw in 2011.  If that were the case, maybe Gardner's passing open things up more next year.  Some evidence of this could be seen in the bowl game since Denard got his runs while playing as a RB and running conventional 10-on-11 football.  Sure, he's Denard and generally awesome at running, but it gave me some hope that we could grind out yards with a semi-competent back next year like Green or a healthy Fitz. 

(The counter to this argument would be that Fitz rushed for 1000 yards the year before in the same offense and why wouldn't have defenses game planned against the run that year too?)

AC-1997

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January 10th, 2013 at 12:15 PM | You do an excellent job of (Score:2)
Ron Utah
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You do an excellent job of looking at situations from a balanced standpoint, and I think you are right.

As to the first issue--moving Gardner to WR--I think that the injury was NOT one where the trainer or coaching staff could have noticed that there was something wrong.  Denard's mechanics have never been consistent.  He passed well at the end of 2011 against Nebraska and Ohio, but seemed to have regressed in the off-season, which is why I believe the nerve was aggravated to some degree.  But again, I think it was an injury that just made a subtle difference--like a minor sprain--and wasn't nearly enough to keep Denard on the sideline.

That said, we were going all in on Denard unless there was a significant injury.  And moving Gardner to WR was not becuase we had depth at QB--it was because we desperately needed help at WR.  Not to mention that DG had not shown much promise before his first start, so Bellomy looked like a comparable back-up.  The Nebraska game, of course, changed everything, but I don't think the coaches wanted to move DG, I think they felt they had to move DG to give us the best chance to win.

The running game argument...you hit the nail on the head with your last paragraph.  Teams always knew that with Denard at QB we'd be a running team.  That didn't stop us from putting up big rushing numbers in 2011.  I'm afraid the implications here are clear: our O-line play was just downright bad in 2012.  Even when DG was in and teams were keeping one or both safeties high we couldn't run effectively.  When you can't run against seven in the box, that is a bad sign.  When you can't run agasint seven in the box against Minnesota and Iowa, that is an even worse sign.

But Lewan is back, and I have to believe the 2013 O-line will be a significant upgrade.

Thank you, Coach Hoke, for bringing Michigan back.

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