Well this settles my stomach quite a bit. Good for Demar.
a terrible blight on our fine country
Well this settles my stomach quite a bit. Good for Demar.
to the rescue again.
Now, can we got back to not freaking out, please?
So when do we find out for sure?
With Turner we didn't really find out til the end of july. Hopefully we know before then, but this could drag on for a couple months.
that is all.
i wonder what classes are giving him the hardest time and if he needs an MGoTutor.
Can the athletic department send a couple of tutors down to FL just to be safe?
Or maybe an interested alum can do it pro bono? Are there any rules against that sort of thing? I mean, surely the NCAA can't deny a high school kid tutoring but I'd imagine that the university can't provide it directly. Alumni doing it for free? I don't see why that'd be a problem.
Anyone know anything about that?
If a player is getting additional benefits because he plays a sport from a booster of a University, yeah, that is a violation.
Tell that to Ole Miss and Michael Oher.
But it is the SEC, y'know?
But according to the NCAA (and maybe it's been updated):
Bylaws: Amend 188.8.131.52.3.1, as follows:
184.108.40.206.3.1 Educational Expenses or Services -- Prior to Collegiate Enrollment. A prospective student-athlete may receive educational expenses or services (e.g., tuition, fees, room and board, and books, tutoring, standardized test preparatory classes) prior to collegiate enrollment from any individual or entity other than an agent, professional sports team/organization, member institution or a representative of an institution's athletics interests, provided the payment for such expenses or services are is disbursed directly through to the recipient's individual, organization or educational institution (e.g., high school, preparatory school) providing the educational expense or service.
"representative of an institution's athletic interests" = booster.
So, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone; the NCAA is giving us enough trouble right now.
the volunteer tutor isn't a booster but just a destitute fan who doesn't give bucks to the U but time to the kid (since he/she's not employed, perhaps)?
If you've got a UM diploma, you're a UM booster, even if you're spare-changing on the Diag.
The University of Michigan is responsible for insuring that its various constituencies (e.g., University staff and faculty, coaches, student-athletes, alumni and friends) abide by NCAA rules and regulations. Under NCAA rules, all alumni, friends and employees of the University are categorized as "representatives of the University of Michigan's athletics interests."
In all seriousness, doesn't that basically cover anybody who might be sympathetic to Michigan and, therefore, anyone who might try to help the University? If that is a legitimate interpretation, and I have no reason to believe that its not, then it basically says "if you want Michigan to succeed, then you must be a bystander". That's just stupid; you could theoretically argue that alumni cannot donate money to the athletic departments of their Alma Maters.
Helping people qualify after they've committed is not the same thing as paying them in order to get them to commit. This is absolutely absurd! One is unethical; the other is not.
Heaven forbid if educated people actually help underprivileged kids qualify to get an elite education! That would mean ... who cares, "I" don't like it!
The NCAA is--how do you say ... ah, yes--retarded.
(No offense to actual, you know, ... retards.)
I mean no one can with the idea that the NCAA are fucktards (examples too numerous to list). The idea is to keep them "amateur" and have them receive no additional benefits outside what other students get that isn't from the University. You can donate to the Department, because while it's going to Athletes rather than regular students, because you are really just helping the U. A scholarship may go to an athlete, but you're really just saving the cost of that scholly for the school. At least that's how they justify it.
The retort to helping people after they've committed, even in a legit way (not "your family will get a house junior year"), is that he (or she) is receiving because they are an athelete. Not because they need it. Because the "you" in an example wouldn't be helping some other underpriviledged kids at that school who can run or throw.
Now, I don't know, if you started up a whole tutoring program for the whole class, and he was included, and you wanted to spend the time with all those kids to help "just" him, it might work. But the definition (as shown above) of "booster" is so broad, and the rules do intricate, I always advice to err on the side of caution, and don't do anything.
Especially when we're headed for probation.
You're on point (at least that part of you that partially agrees with me; the other part can go screw itself (kidding)). But that, exactly, is my beef. It's all about perceived integrity rather than actual integrity.
I submit Jamaal Crawford v. Michael Oher--the only difference is perception: the actual truth has no bearing what-so-ever, and is not worth investigating.
So, training table doesn't count as a non-athletee-type benefit? And so on. Excuse me while I vomit.
The NCAA only fools those that want to be fooled. It's all bullshit. I don't include you specifically in that category, but, you know ... (you're the only one 'talking' to me right now).
If Ohio State, USC, Florida, Texas, Michigan State, or the MCalibur Institute of Delusion, want to help underprivileged kids make it to college ... who, the fuck, cares?!? There are worse crimes against humanity!
NCAA ethics, where "equal competition" matters more than ... whatever ...
I'm never tried to say your reasoning was unsound. Not arguing. Just explaining how it works, even as dumb as it is, because I don't want someone to try. Because I don't want us to get in trouble because the NCAA rules are stupid. Because we've already managed to do that.
But I've never had a beef with you. Not since we slapped down that Iowa fan who hated the spread awhile back. ;-)
Ha, I remember that but didn't realize you were in on that tussle. Too bad that guy went off the deep end and got himself banned.
...and you finished it.
I liked the debate, before he went off the deep end saying he was a debater or lawyer or whatever...and made such illogical arguments that he started getting crushed.
Funny thing is, I'm not even an obsessive Spread proponent. But to say it can't work too was just silly. Though Iowa DID do a good job vs. the option in the Bowl. LOL.
Researched information. Awesome. Thanks Tom. We love you. No homo, of course.
You have saved me the pain of one horrible day...
Your fast response to getting some facts on this story is very beneficial to the board.
I asked this in the other thread but it got buried pretty quickly. If Demar does what he needs to do, and he gets through the admissions department, would he be on campus in June, or would we have a Justin Turner-like situation where he comes in at the beginning of/late to fall practices?
Thanks as always Tom
I'm feeling a lot better now: there's really no way the JUCO coach saying WE ARE HIS BACK UP PLAN can be misinterpreted, right?
where there is a will, there is a way
was this something that just popped up in the last month b/c of standardized test scores / diploma tests, or was a longer term in the weeds issue?
can we send him the tutor that Michael Oher had, who also happens to be Bobby Boucher's mom?
I don't know why, but this made me laugh. Well played.
I heard Demar just recently penned the newest Misery novel. Should we be worried about his legs?
Good job, Tom.
You the man, VanHaaren, you the man.
While we're on the subject, do we have any history of other players that went through this? Just curious if there are other current or former Wolverines that employed the same "backup" plan.
In other words how common is this?
Buy that man a Miller beer, the best comes shining throuuuugh. Cheers Tom.
I've got it bad, so bad, I'm hot for teacher!
It doesn't sound to me like he's actually trying to move on from his checkered past and keep his head on straight. Making a backup plan so that he can keep himself in the game even if he can't get his grades up doesn't sound like someone interested in making a contribution. [/sarcasm]
Good luck, Demar. Can't wait to see you in Maize and Blue.
Both local papers quoted this post, the Det News actually gave MGoBlog credit for the quotes, suprisingly [Paper Redacated] did not. Shocking Eh?
the freep stole this quote, without giving any credit to Tom or MGo, can something be done?
That is a despicable act by a newspaper (yet completely standard operating procedure).
But didn't post on it, because, while slimy, the fix would be for them to just put up a link, and to show damages would be difficult, and expensive, not having a fleet of lawyers, and really, why even give them the credit of existence? (Though I'm sure Brian would get a sternly worded lawyer type letter if he did the opposite).
The quote from Sims in the FreeP is different than what TomVH has posted above. It's not impossible to think that they called FSCC up themselves to ask their own questions. Still, the fact that they brought up irrelevant facts in the article regarding Dorsey's history is straight up astounding to me. Well, maybe not anymore...
I think it's hilarious that MGoBlog got the drop on both DetNews and the FreeP on this story. Not surprising...both organizations are MGoOutgunned.
I'm going to fucking cry like a little bitch.
and that is exactly how I reacted.
I already love this kid, don't take him away before I get to watch him play, Angry Michigan O Let Do It Hating God.
....and tutor him so he can play this fall??
that alumni and boosters can't help a fellow alumnus move to Florida to tutor recruits, right?
I tutor for free - I did two years in Australia, several years here, and I was signed up with a tutoring service that recently tried to cancel my account because I wanted to set my rate to $0/hr. Would that get past the NCAA?
I have emails to prove it.
just punched in the gut. I guess I'm late to this whole development. I will attempt to be an especially good Catholic on this holiest of weekends and hope that the good Lord smiles down upon me and, by proxy, Demar Dorsey.
Too bad I have already reached the bottom of the bottle of Sweet Tea Vodka from the cabinet! Now I'm just going to have to sit in my chair outside and soak in the rays!
I think you may have taken over as my pick for best avatar girl. Is that anyone we know?