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The Decimated Defense

By Seth — October 29th, 2009 at 9:36 AM — 79 comments
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[Editor's note: I was working on a post similar to this today that examined the past five years of defensive recruiting with a particular focus on the secondary. This is broader but I may as well not reinvent such a well-put-together wheel. I will take this opportunity at the top of the post to rephrase something I stuck in a mailbag. Here are the members of the secondary in the recruiting classes that comprise this year's team:

2005: None. (Harrison, Sears, Richards all gone.)
2006: None. (Mouton, Brown moved to LB.)
2007: Warren, Woolfolk, Williams, Rogers. (Chambers gone.)
2008: JT Floyd (Smith moved to LB, Cissoko is gone.)

Excluding true freshmen, Michigan has five scholarship players for four starting spots, none of whom are seniors and one of whom is a positional vagabond who was a huge reach even at WR. Attrition has something to do with it, but poor recruiting—the 2006 class didn't have a single corner, and the 2007 class had two reaches and one Notre Dame defection—had much more. With Woolfolk's move Michigan has one scholarship safety on the roster outside of true freshmen. Not to go all ND-fan-talking-about-Ty here, but lord I don't know if anyone could dig themselves out from that.]

[OP note: Part II lives here].




How did it ever come to this?

DE NT DT
NFL All-World Guy Young Beast Solid Guy
True Freshman Blue Chip or Serviceable backup guy Old-guy bust who's kind of serviceable now

SLB MLB1 MLB2 WLB
Former Infinite Safety Disaster, now above-average tweener guy Young guy who's progressing but prone to massive young-guy mistakes True freshman wunderkind who is still a true freshman
Long-time judgment-impaired starter who projected to possible Butkus Watch List but instead regressed and lost job to a walk-on Nuclear missile equally likely to strike his own territory as his enemy's Kind of this 3-star redshirt soph who plays exactly like that

CB1 S1 S2 CB2
NFL-ready junior guy Current Infinite Safety Disaster, who is worse than the walk-on Legacy who is halfway decent and was our FS until a few weeks ago
Dust mite true freshmah who was a running back until a few weeks ago True freshman recovering from knee surgury who can't be that great if he hasn't seen the field Redshirt freshman with clear talent deficiency to be serviceable


(Where = Walk-on)

With Boubacar Cissoko's dismissal from the team, we now have a number that every Michigan fan might need to commit to memory:

4053762448_57b1c3dcf6_o Everybody got that?

Now, numbers without context are hard to understand. If it's a completion percentage, well, that's not horrible but it's not bad, right? If that's how many questions you got right on your Anthro-Bio mid-term, well, not so great.

The question we will try to answer in this Diary, is what does that number mean when it's the percentage of defensive recruits over the last five classes who are still on your team?

Really? 58.33 percent? How?

Defensive Recruits No Longer With the Team: 2005-2009

Name Class Pos Stars RR What happened?
Eugene Germany 2005 DE **** 6.0 Left team
James McKinney 2005 DT **** 5.9 Left team
Terrance Taylor 2005 DT **** 5.9 Graduated
Brandon Harrison 2005 CB **** 5.8 Graduated
Johnny Sears 2005 CB *** 5.6 Left team
Brandon Logan 2005 LB *** 5.6 Graduated
Chris Richards 2005 ATH *** 5.5 Left team
Carson Butler 2005 DE *** 5.5 Moved to TE, left for NFL
Chris McLaurin 2005 DE *** 5.5 Left team (health)
Jason Kates 2006 DT **** 5.8 Left team
Cobrani Mixon 2006 LB **** 5.8 Left team
Quintin Patilla 2006 LB *** 5.7 Left team
Quintin Woods 2006 DE *** 5.6 Left team
Austin Panter 2007 LB **** 5.8 Graduated
Artis Chambers 2007 S *** 5.6 Left team
Marell Evans 2007 LB ** 5.2 Left team
Boubacar Cissoko 2008 CB **** 6.0 Left team
Marcus Witherspoon 2008 LB **** 5.8 Did not qualify
Taylor Hill 2008 LB **** 5.8 Left team
Adrian Witty 2009 CB ** 5.3 Did not qualify (may return)

That seems really bad. Like really really bad.

Is it bad?

It's obviously no surprise that Michigan has faced a lot of attrition since RR came on board. Each case is it's own particular. But all told, it seems to me that we are seeing something here that is way out of whack. And I'm not sure it's RR's doing. And though that seems like a lot of attrition, I'm not sure that's the whole story.

I'm going to break down this list by class. Perhaps in the micro we can see what happened to the macro...

(or perhaps you are already poised to scroll to comments and write "tl;dr" -- if so, get a sandwich and meet the rest of us down at the very long sub-header)
 

Class of 2005

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Name Class Pos Stars RR What happened? Here?
Eugene Germany 2005 DE **** 6.0 Left team no
James McKinney 2005 DT **** 5.9 Left team no
Terrance Taylor 2005 DT **** 5.9 Graduated no
Brandon Harrison 2005 CB **** 5.8 Graduated no
Johnny Sears 2005 CB *** 5.6 Left team no
Brandon Logan 2005 LB *** 5.6 Graduated no
Chris Richards 2005 ATH *** 5.5 Left team no
Carson Butler 2005 DE *** 5.5 Moved to TE, left for NFL no
Chris McLaurin 2005 DE *** 5.5 Left team (health) no

Nothing left. This isn't just age -- you'd expect at least a couple of 5th year seniors to stick around. This class was decimated early and often, leaving Terrible Taylor as the only major defensive contributor. Harrison, who would be very nice to have around today, burned his redshirt during Safety Armageddon. Logan was the only other graduate. For Sir Carson Butler's career at Michigan, consult the minstrels.

Moral of this story: losing the top two recruits on defensive line made things dicey. In the first attempt at refilling the cornerback cabinet, Carr picked up Harrison and a couple of fliers (Sears, Richards) who didn't work. [More after the jump!]



Class of 2006

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Name Class Pos Stars RR What happened? Here?
Brandon Graham 2006 LB ***** 6.1 DE yes
Jonas Mouton 2006 S **** 6.0 MLB (backup) yes
Adam Patterson 2006 DT **** 5.9 DE (backup) yes
Steve Brown 2006 S **** 5.9 SLB yes
Jason Kates 2006 DT **** 5.8 Left team no
Cobrani Mixon 2006 LB **** 5.8 Left team no
Quintin Patilla 2006 LB *** 5.7 Left team no
Greg Banks 2006 DE *** 5.6 DE (backup) yes
John Ferrara 2006 DE *** 5.6 Moved to G yes
Quintin Woods 2006 DE *** 5.6 Left team no
Obi Ezeh 2006 RB *** 5.5 MLB (backup) yes

This was an excellent class of seniors and red shirt juniors, from which seven of 11 (63.63 percent) remain. Attrition came largely from the 3-stars and low 4-stars for depth issues -- of Kates, Mixon, Patilla and Woods, only Kates left from the transition, and none project to be a significant improvement over the current starters in their positions.

Brandon Graham has been every bit the blue chip. The upper four-stars are a bit more mixed: Mouton plays much younger than a guy who's the same age as Graham, has been responsible for a number of big plays, and in a recent development was benched in favor of a true sophomore. Brown spent several seasons as the safety whipping boy de jure before a fortuitous position switch to linebacker his senior year. Patterson's the big bust.

Ezeh turned out much better than we deserved from a basically unranked fullback, but was benched mid-way through his redshirt senior season in favor of a walk-on.

Overall, this defensive class, with a few exclamatory exceptions, seems to have been generally overrated.

It is also very very noticeably lacking in defensive backs. Brown and Mouton were safeties coming in, but at least Mouton's move to linebacker was anticipatory. It wasn't a great year in general for cornerbacks, and Michigan lost out on its prize recruit in Myron Rolle, but does anyone else think, with Sears and Richards and a burned shirt on Harrison your foreseeable future, what is up with the lack of defensive backs? This is doubly-WTF considering Michigan's former DB coach, Ron English, was now the DC.

Of note, senior RB Carlos Brown was an "athlete" in this class, but was promised and has remained at tailback from the get-go, so you can't really give defensive recruiting credit for him.
 

Class of 2007

cornerback Donovan Warren (6) plays against Indiana at the Big House in Ann Arbor on September 26th 2009.  Michigan won the game, 36-33. (Said Alsalah/Daily)
 

Name Class Pos Stars RR What happened? Here?
Donovan Warren 2007 CB ***** 6.1 CB yes
Ryan Van Bergen 2007 DE **** 5.8 DE yes
Austin Panter 2007 LB **** 5.8 Graduated no
Michael Williams 2007 S **** 5.8 SS yes
Renaldo Sagesse 2007 DT *** 5.7 DT (backup) yes
Brandon Herron 2007 LB *** 5.7 WLB (backup) yes
Artis Chambers 2007 S *** 5.6 Left team no
Troy Woolfolk 2007 CB *** 5.5 CB yes
Marell Evans 2007 LB ** 5.2 Left team no

Six of the nine (66.67 percent) would-be juniors and red shirt sophomores are still around. This was Carr's last class, and going into the writing of this, I was already tempted to suggest that this one was an example of career-winding-down trying less.

This is the class you'd expect to see the most coaching change attrition from, since they were generally still young enough at the shift to start over somewhere else, and didn't get the coach (in this case, Ron English) they signed up for. But, no. Panter left because he was a rare junior transfer. The other guys departed citing depth chart issues.

Depth issues?

From Marell Evans, okay. He was a 2-star recruit getting passed up by the 2008 class and likely would never earn long-term PT here. But Artis Chambers' decision, strange at the time, now seems absolutely ludicrous. vanbergen He may not have been the answer at DB, but he certainly would have been given every opportunity to win the job from a walk-on and an under-performing classmate.

This class actually ended up underrated by scouts it seems. Warren is right on the Michigan 5-star CB track. RVB seems like he should have been higher up than the bottom of the 4-star ranks. Sagesse and Herron are the serviceable backups you'd expect from guys at their level. Williams has disappointed; once Troy Woolfolk (in BTN parlance: "Wool-fork") moved to corner this season, Williams was exposed as the latest safety whipping boy, minus speed.

This class did get a jolt from Woofolk (-fork), a 3-star legacy recruit whose emergence at both cornerback and safety this year has plugged at least one hole. Unfortunately, he can't plug two.

For all intents and purposes, after two classes of ignoring the position with Johnny Sears and Chris Richards the only option, Michigan's entire 2009 backfield had to come from this haul. Warren and Woolfolk are as much as you can rightfully expect from one class. Having Michael Williams pan out would be nice, but still, an entire backfield is too much to ask from one class.

Did Carr take this year off? It's hard to say. English did a good job getting some defensive backs, particularly Warren. But at this point linebacker was now past leaking (Mouton had moved but Brown hadn't) and they needed more than a junior transfer, a 3-star and a 2-star.
 

Class of 2008

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Name Class Pos Stars RR What happened? Here?
Boubacar Cissoko 2008 CB **** 6.0 Dismissed no
J.B. Fitzgerald 2008 LB **** 5.9 MLB yes
Brandon Smith 2008 S **** 5.9 WLB (backup) yes
Mike Martin 2008 DT **** 5.8 DT yes
Kenny Demens 2008 LB **** 5.8 WLB (backup) yes
Marcus Witherspoon 2008 LB **** 5.8 Did not qualify no
Taylor Hill 2008 LB **** 5.8 Left team no
J.T. Floyd 2008 ATH *** 5.5 CB (backup) yes

This is the hybrid class between Carr/English and Rich Rod/Shafer. With limited time, RR focused most of his first-year recruiting efforts on offense, so these guys are primarily Carr-era holdovers.

Considering the previous classes, holes were now springing all over the defense, but linebacker was dire, while defensive back was basically 2007's haul and a whole lot of nothing.

The lack of attention became evident early, as Hill and Witherspoon never arrived on campus. Smith proved to be a linebacker. Meaning DB was basically Boubacar and 3-star athlete J.T. Floyd.

If ending up with six of nine of your juniors was bad, coming to this point with five of eight sophomores is, well, demonstrative of the greater theme of this whole exercise.

As Brian said while discussing this class recently, Martin has been a beast, Fitzgerald is on pace (update post-Purdue: won starting job?), Demens looks buried on the depth chart, and Floyd justified his low ranking. They're young, but declaring "disaster" on this class may not be premature.
 

Class of 2009

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Name Class Pos Stars RR What happened? Here?
William Campbell 2009 DT ***** 6.1 DT (backup) yes
Justin Turner 2009 CB **** 6.0 redshirt yes
Craig Roh 2009 DE **** 5.9 WLB yes
Anthony LaLota 2009 DE **** 5.8 redshirt yes
Vladimir Emilien 2009 S **** 5.8 FS (backup) yes
Brandin Hawthorne 2009 LB *** 5.7 MLB (backup) yes
Isaiah Bell 2009 LB *** 5.7 SAM (backup) yes
Teric Jones 2009 RB *** 5.7 CB (backup) yes
Mike Jones 2009 S *** 5.7 MLB (backup) yes
Thomas Gordon 2009 ATH *** 5.5 redshirt yes
Adrian Witty 2009 CB ** 5.3 DNQ (may return) no

At this point, you're not supposed to have much attrition, and this has held true. Adrian Witty, who did not qualify academically, was Michigan's lowest-rated recruit, and got offered because it helped us reel in Denard Robinson. On the other hand, given the current state of things, every warm body at cornerback helps.

The 2009 class has considerably more star power at the top than we've seen from the waning Carr classes.

They're way too young to put against a track, but it is concerning that Campbell has looked lost, meaning his blue chip status may be overrated. To demonstrate what I mean by a 5-star's track, look at Brandon Graham: he didn't start as a freshman, but he did see significant time, and showed himself to be something special, behind LaMarr Woodley.

A closer analogue to Graham then would be Roh, who may have been underrated. Justin Turner's late arrival justified his red shirt. The coaches have been adamant that his red shirt status will not change.

Looking ahead, I have a personal fear of Emilien being slow after seeing him get torched this spring against Carlos Brown (I'm not married to that opinion), and Mike Jones we know is moving to linebacker, so safety remains a concern.

Safety and cornerback are now major priorities for 2010. Linebacker, which has benefited from more redshirts and an influx of erstwhile safeties, seems like less of a concern. Defensive line needs backup bodies, and lots of them, but the front seems like it can hold if Roh slides over to Graham's spot next year.
 

I Just Got a Sandwich and Then Skipped Down to This Part. Did You Learn Anything?

You mean conclusions? Already? Without contextualizing? No way! But I'll give you some hypotheses now:

  1. Small defensive class size seems to at least as culpable as attrition for the defense's depth issues.
  2. Very, very little of the overall attrition on defense seems to be related to the coaching change.
  3. The disastrous Class of 2005 is still leaving ripples through Michigan's program. If you discount the erstwhile 5th year seniors and true freshmen, our attrition rate is still like 1 out of 3, which is bad, but not as ludicrously bad-looking at you see here.
  4. RR's focus on offense in his limited time in 2008 may have resulted in a class just as disastrous.
  5. The English-to-Shafer-to-GERG shift is probably somewhat at fault for many of these players' seemingly retarded development (particularly the linebackers)

Some of these we have already discussed, if not completely digested. Some I think (like 1 and 2) are new. Of these, 4 and 5 are those easiest to pin on Rich Rod, particularly 4. It seems to me in retrospect that Rodriguez wasted too much time chasing Pryor and not enough on addressing defensive needs. The 2009 defensive class and its early returns are encouraging to that regard -- it seems he has learned his lesson and, even with 3-9 around his neck, managed to close a solid class.

The 2008 linebacker and DB hauls are a perfect microcosm of Michigan's bigger problems.

Linebacker: At a position that had zero depth left over from previous classes, we brought in four 4-star players: Marcus Witherspoon, Taylor Hill, J.B. Fitzgerald, and Kenny Demens. Of those, two (Witherspoon and Hill) were lost immediately to attrition. One (Fitzgerald) is on track to be a long-term contributor. One (Demens) seems to be a bust. In this case, Michigan fulfilled its recruitment needs, but was hit by double the expected attrition. Result: one serviceable player when we needed at least two.

Defensive back: At a position that had zero depth left over from previous classes, we brought in two 4-stars (Brandon Smith and Boubacar Cissoko) and one flier (J.T. Floyd). As with Mouton, Smith was immediately deemed a linebacker, and this was a known likelihood during the recruitment period, so really we brought in just a 4-star and a flier. The 4-star looked to be a bit behind track for his rating, until he got himself kicked off the team. The flier, as was the expected result, was not useful. Result: zero serviceable players when we needed at least two or three.

Linebacker is a clear-cut case of decimation due to attrition. Defensive back is a clear-cut case of decimation due to under-recruiting. Both of these factors have ravaged each class from 2005 to 2008. Along the way, there were some serviceable players picked up, but we are still generally <b>two</b> serviceable players short of the Michigan norm at several linebacker positions and all four defensive backfield positions, i.e. we are at least 12 good, useful, on-the-roster players away from a normal Michigan defense. That is HUGE!!!
 

Preview: The Decimated Defense, Part II

(Had to do it in two parts because my other spreadsheet I need is on another computer dammit)

See: Misopogon test the hypotheses above by showing what other major programs' class size and attrition rates over this period have been like.

See: Charts.

See: Nice formatting that inexplicably seems beyond the capabilities of the Drupal editor

See: SPARTY. ON. ICE.!!!!



Tropp, Conboy, Winston...what are they teaching at these schools these days?

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October 29th, 2009 at 9:45 AM | Great post (Score:1)
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Very nice job of quantifying what a lot of us kind of suspected. It is an unfortunate confluence of several forces (waning Carr recruiting, coaching transition) that got us where we are. The good news seems to be that the current talent, while young and inexperienced, may be better than what we feared. A strong 2010 class would really help.
Thanks for doing this.

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October 29th, 2009 at 10:19 AM | background on "decimation" (Score:1)
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decimation literally means to reduce by 10%. D recruits have been reduced by 4 times this, so decimation is a gross understatement.

roman generals used decimation as a motivational tool against their armies. if an army was thought to have not performed bravely, they were made to line up and the general would walk the ranks committing every tenth person to death. the thought was that it was better to die in battle than to return and have a 10% chance of dying anyway.

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October 29th, 2009 at 11:52 AM | If that's true, that is some (Score:1)
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If that's true, that is some interesting information. Thanks for posting that.

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October 29th, 2009 at 2:32 PM | Interesting indeed (Score:1)
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though given a choice between dying in battle and returning with a 90% chance of survival, my choice would make me a really crummy Roman.

Colors That Float

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October 29th, 2009 at 3:33 PM | Yeah, but you'd be fine in (Score:1)
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Yeah, but you'd be fine in the Church of England.

Sportscenter.com raves: Sgt. Wolverine, "Michigan's biggest fan"!

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October 29th, 2009 at 4:29 PM | I agree, but let's not be (Score:1)
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I agree, but let's not be grammar nazis on MGoBlog...
As per OED's definition of "decimate" , "rhetorically or loosely. To destroy or remove a large proportion of; to subject to severe loss, slaughter, or mortality."
I think "remove a large proportion of" fits in well here. Props on the Roman background though...

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October 29th, 2009 at 4:48 PM | Fire away (Score:1)
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Okay, new rule: anyone is absolutely free to Grammar Nazi me whenever they like.

I have enough collegiate and professional background -- not to mention a millitantly grammarian matriarch on whom I'm pretty sure DFW based Avril Incandenza -- that any and all criticism of my verbiage is both deserved, and welcome.

Generally, the thing about correcting grammar on the boards is nobody wants to discourage a good author. Me, well, I like it, especially when it brings in Roman military history history.

I'm sure Brian loves it when I correct his Star Wars misquotes as well ('power to destroy a planet' indeed, sir).

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October 29th, 2009 at 4:53 PM | I'm unclear then as to what (Score:1)
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I'm unclear then as to what kind of -ation this would be.

The Latin for 40 is quadraginta, right? So it would be a "quadragation?"

The Quadragated Defense

Hmm...ruins the alliteration.

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October 29th, 2009 at 12:48 PM | Context, please (Score:1)
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What's the number for our offensive recruits? What's the number for some other programs' D recruits (MSU, OSU, ND, Fla, USC, Texas, Oklahoma)?

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October 29th, 2009 at 1:19 PM | See Sparty on ice? (Score:1)
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(Wait for Part Two)

"A house divided against itself cannot stand"

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October 29th, 2009 at 3:50 PM | I'd rather see (Score:1)
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A Sparty funeral.

Crab cakes and football! That is what Maryland DOES!

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October 29th, 2009 at 2:51 PM | That's a great question, (Score:1)
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as some of these seem like relatively common occurrences that you would expect any team to have.

"They're stuck with that quarterback (sophomore Braxton Miller) for the next two or three years, that's fine with me. He throws worse than (Tim) Tebow. - Steve Everitt

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October 29th, 2009 at 3:05 PM | I would be willing to bet a hefty sum of money (Score:1)
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That most top 25 teams in the nation have more than 0 5th year seniors on both sides of the ball (1 on D, 1 on O)

"A house divided against itself cannot stand"

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November 5th, 2009 at 10:57 AM | Saban recruited 83 defensive players. Add 1 kicker and 1 Punter (Score:1)
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(total 85) and I assume he didn't recruit any offensive players.

Obviously going over 85 would be disingenuous, and I know Saban would never do such a thing.

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October 29th, 2009 at 4:47 PM | Compare to offense... (Score:1)
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Retention, defense -- 58.3%
Retention, offense -- 66.7%

The offense had a higher retention rate *despite* undergoing a much larger system overhaul.

Total, classes 2005-2009 -- 38/57 (66.7%)

CLASS OF 2005 -- 5/13 on team (38.5%)
Bass (knee) -- gone
Bulter (NFL/brains) -- gone
Criswell (quit) -- gone
Forcier (transfer) -- gone
Manningham (NFL) -- gone
Schifano (quit) -- gone
Simpson (transfer) -- gone
Zirbel (knee) -- gone
Grady -- back-up
McAvoy -- back-up
Moosman -- starter
Ortmann -- starter
Savoy -- back-up

CLASS OF 2006 -- 6/7 on team (85.7%)
Boren (fat) --- gone
C. Brown -- starter
Cone -- team muse
Dorrestein -- back-up/starter
Mathews -- starter
Minor -- starter
Schilling -- starter

CLASS OF 2007 -- 5/11 on team (45.5%)
Babb (quit) -- gone
Clemons (transfer) -- gone
Helmuth (quit) -- gone
Horn (quit) -- gone
Mallett (transfer) -- gone
Rogers (moved to D) -- gone (from O)
Watson (moved to D) -- gone (from O)
Hemingway -- starter
Molk -- starter
Huyge -- starter
Webb -- back-up

CLASS OF 2008 -- 12/16 (75.0%) on team
Feagin (drugs) -- gone
McGuffie (transfer) -- gone
O'Neill (transfer) -- gone
Wermers (transfer) -- gone
Barnum -- back-up
Cox -- back-up
Khoury -- back-up
Koger -- starter
Mealer -- back-up
Moore -- back-up
Odoms -- starter
Omameh -- back-up
T. Robinson -- back-up
Roundtree -- back-up
Shaw -- back-up
Stonum -- starter

CLASS OF 2009 -- 10/10 on team
Forcier -- starter
Gallon -- redshirt
Gordon -- redshirt
Lewan -- redshirt
D. Robinson -- back-up/starter
Schofield -- redshirt
Smith -- back-up
Stokes -- back-up
Toussaint -- redshirt
Washington -- redshirt

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October 29th, 2009 at 11:46 PM | teric jones from the 09 class moved to defense* (Score:1)
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*

our package is our package, and it’s pretty big. - Greg Mattison, Bowl Practice Presser Tr. 12-13-11.

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October 29th, 2009 at 4:54 PM | Linked on AA.com and Mlive. (Score:1)
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http://www.annarbor.com/sports/michigan/

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/

I hope that linked correctly, anyway you are linked to the Mlive page and the AA.com page.

Congrats, sir!

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November 3rd, 2009 at 1:12 PM | and now he's been linked to (Score:1)
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and now he's been linked to on espn.com. Very well done. Even if you don't like that MSM, it's still pretty nice.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/6392/big-ten-lunch-links-133

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October 29th, 2009 at 4:56 PM | 2005 class (Score:1)
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What a flat out terrible class. Other than Manningham and Taylor nobody did much of anything.

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October 29th, 2009 at 5:59 PM | Uhh, what about Brandon (Score:1)
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Uhh, what about Brandon Smith? He looks like a ringer at safety at 6'3", a 4.5 40, and 4 stars. He's currently listed as being converted to LB and redshirted.

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October 29th, 2009 at 7:36 PM | Excellent Analysis (Score:1)
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Thanks.

Imagine how bad we would be this year without Warren? My recollection is that it was between us and USC and many (if not most) did not expect us to win that particular recruiting battle. Good thing we did.

Too bad we lost Jai (sp?) Eugene.

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October 30th, 2009 at 8:21 AM | Slocum? (Score:1)
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You left Slocum off the list of defensive players who have left the team.

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October 30th, 2009 at 8:28 AM | More Early Returns (Score:1)
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Who's heard of Hargrave Military Academy in Chatham, Va.?

I found a lot of doubles on Alabama, meaning guys who committed to the same school twice in successive years (like Quinton McCoy).

With every one of those doubles, the second year they were listed as coming from Hargrave Military Academy. Apparently, for students who can't meet the academic requirements to play in the SEC, Saban is sending them to boot camp for a year.

No judgements. Just thought that was interesting.

Chatham guys:

Brandon Fanney
Demetrius Goode
Kerry Murphy
Lionel Mitchell
Lorenzo Washington
Mike Ford

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October 30th, 2009 at 8:54 AM | brilliant. (Score:1)
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great, great info.

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October 30th, 2009 at 4:09 PM | James Rogers (Score:1)
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James Rogers has converted to CB from WR... Let's hope he gets on the field and doesn't turn into another Doug Dutch (Dutch and Adrian Arrington were the gem WR's from that class-- what different futures they had!)

Cobrani Mixon is the starting MLB for Kent State... it was prolly a good decision for him to transfer cause he's locked down that position (when he's not injured)..

Bottom Line: 4 DC's in 5 years prolly has something to do with the lack of depth at defense over the last 5 years...

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November 5th, 2009 at 10:53 AM | Coaches got a sneak peak at Witty - and now he will return a (Score:1)
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a year older and a year further removed from his knee surgery.

Players get much closer to full strength in the second year.

If they liked him OK as a true frosh this fall, he should be in the mix for BooBoo's spot after a winter with Barwis and a full spring/fall practice schedule.

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