Counter Argument - Picture Pages: Blowing Up The Inverted Veer

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Introduction

In the picture pages post today, I feel I noted something of some significance. This isn’t supposed to be a post to puff out my own chest, rather, I merely want to give the other side of the argument my side of the argument for what it really is.

As an aside, there have been numerous people that have constantly misconstrued my argument lately. I understand that by taking a particular unpopular stance so strongly, that I have opened myself up to criticism. But within this article I also want to make clear up some of my stance, so towards the end I will get into some of that. Much of these will be related to the comments I made earlier (if not copy and pasted), the major difference is that I now have the opportunity to add accompanying pictures and diagrams to go with it. This is of importance because football isn’t really a sport that is best described with words. You can try to be as descriptive as possible, but there will always be a certain amount of failure to accurately convey your thoughts through this medium. So the pictures/diagrams help in that regard. So let’s begin.

 

Set Up and Play Design

I’m going to copy and paste Brian’s set up to his post as he does a good job getting us there.

Michigan comes out with an H-back and two tailbacks in a twins formation, which necessarily means that the slot receiver is not an eligible receiver. Nebraska responds with 7.5 in the box, with the gray area defender just about splitting the difference between Funchess and the tackle.

 

I’ll get to the covered receiver part later, I want to start off with the basics here about what the intention of this play is. Let’s first start with the most fundamental concept of any run play: the blocking scheme.

Inverted veer works with a Power O blocking scheme. Power is a type of man/gap blocking scheme, while “O” indicates the pulling of the backside guard. A simple power play looks like this.

 

The inverted veer meanwhile, takes the fullback and erases him. It utilizes the option read to kick out the DE because the DE must commit to the QB or the RB. If the DE commits to the RB, the QB reads this and shoots through the lane inside of him. If the DE commits to the QB, the QB gives to the RB and the RB attacks the edge. Here’s how the inverted veer looks:

 

Now, let’s first act like there is no FB involved in the play so we can address the offensive line and TE first. As noted, this is a standard power blocking scheme. No one, from any of the offensive linemen, to the TE, do things differently than they would if this was a Power O run from under center. But the defense aligns in a way that makes running power difficult. This is an even front, stacked front, meaning the DL is aligned 5-2-2-5 as far as gaps. That’s outside shoulder of the OT and inside shoulder of the OG. The stack indicates that the OLBs are stacked over the DEs.

Well, to the front side this is similar to what a 4-3 Under will look like, but instead of the LB brought up on the LOS like Michigan often does with Jake Ryan, they’ve stacked him behind the DE.

This isn’t the exact defensive formation, but the blocking scheme is exactly the same (the only difference is the OC has one less shoulder to down block the backside DT and that the LB are shaded further from playside).

 

If you’re wondering what some of the things are in the diagram, the green boxes are the blocking calls that should be understood or made. As for the defensive formation, just for reference, the “G” means the NT that is usually lined up in a 1-tech slides out to the guards inside shoulder (often utilized to stop Iso) and the Loose is the SAM position loose from the LOS.

What you see is an adjustment in the blocking scheme. This is automatic and should be called and understood. Any team that runs power should make this adjustment. Why? Because that playside DE is very tight to the formation and becomes extremely difficult to kick out. His position pre-snap is already squeezing the hole that power is intended to go through, so rather than slam into that wall, it’s easier to down block him and seal the outside for the RB.

Now, here is how that applies to the inverted veer.

 

You see now that the person being optioned is that OLB (SAM) rather than the DE because of the defensive alignment.

Now let’s add the FB in the inverted veer. Power blocking makes another small adjustment when you have two lead blockers. If you remember back in the Tackle Over days, Michigan would utilize the U-back as a first lead blocker and a FB as a second. It was the U-back that was first through and responsible for the kick defender. The FB has some reads, but generally will try to get beyond the kick player and knock the first odd color jersey he sees.

More accurately, let’s look at it with an overhang defender. The way the FB is going to treat this is to go block that guy. If that guy tries to gain depth into the backfield, the FB will just carry him with his momentum. If he tries to go inside of him, he’ll simply arch block him. This is what that looks like:

Now let’s apply that to the inverted veer. It’s the same exact thing. The first lead blocker through takes the kick defender (here, that is the playside OLB). The fullback goes and finds the next off color jersey, typically to the outside. Generally, he will block this in a somewhat similar way, erring on the side of scooping the gray area defender. What that does is give a massive alley for Fitz to run through. It also forces that gray area defender to fight that block, regardless of if it blocks him from DG because he knows he must respect Fitz to run. That means if the blocking up front is done properly, DG has more than enough room and time to go straight up field and beyond that gray area defender before cutting out into the same lane that Fitz would run in.

So that’s how the play is designed to be run. Combined with the slot receiver taking the playside safety, everyone on the playside is blocked and a defined seam is established.

 

Why Run This Play?

I’m not really going to get into why you run the inverted veer, as that’s just a play more or less that has some pretty clear positives as far as reading a defender and threatening a defense with the RB and QB. But why put in the FB?

A common way teams defend the inverted veer is similar to ways that defenses have adapted to defend the read option: they force the QB’s read to be wrong. Essentially, this is a scrape exchange.

In the instance of an inverted veer, they’ll bring a defender off the edge that the QB can’t read or see because the QB is busy reading his key. The key typically is the DE.

Here’s a give look:

Here’s a keep look:

And here’s how a scrape exchange looks:

See that the read is still the same player for the QB. The QB’s read is to give. What the QB doesn’t see is the guy that is coming right into Fitz at the handoff. The defense is making DG’s reads wrong and there is nothing he can do about it.

So, to counter this, you add a FB. This is similar to what Rich Rod did with a U-back to kick the backside on a read option. Essentially, it’s making the QB’s read right by blocking the exchange defender. This means the QB just has to read his key and is fine. This is an adjustment to take advantage of a defensive look and seal the defense inside. Effectively, it’s acting similar to a bubble screen would act as it’s sealing the defense inside and attack the edge and alley with the RB (rather than a slot receiver). It’s a horizontal constraint on top of the normal inverted veer play.

 

Video/Diagram

Play:

Full Speed:

 

Half Speed:

 

Why Doesn’t it Work?

I’ll save some time and copy and paste a bit:

So the problem is two-fold: Kerridge completely whiffs his block because he archs too wide. His goal is essentially to scoop that gray area defender like he's trying to do in the MSU clip, note in that clip how he passes off the read DE and tries to get to the second level where he blocks no one because the safety he wants to block shot the gap instead (in theory here, his eyes are in the wrong place, there should be some adjustment that allows for DG to read the safety crashing and for Kerridge to scoop the DE, and DG should give here in that instance, but was likely hoping that guy would just follow Fitz and he'd have a clear path to a TD by having the option essentially block two-defenders, but as expected, it doesn't). The second problem is the fact that two people (Schofield and the TE) aren't on the same page as to what the power blocking adjustment should be.

 

The Big Picture

So we see this is messed up here. It is an execution issue. Alright. So what’s the deal. Quasi-rant in copy and paste mode:

Now, I don't think as far as the missed communication that it's because the blocking scheme is too complex. Much and most of their run scheme settles around a power blocking scheme. That should be better. The play against Nebraska should be executed better, but there were two huge botched assignments. The play against MSU is tougher and something that clearly wasn't repped enough (on the coaches). The FB nor Gardner made the correct adjustment to a safety shooting a gap. They might have repped it a few times, but clearly it wasn't enough to be familiar with how to adjust it in game.

It's basic Power O blocking fundamentals with two lead blockers (here, the two lead blockers are the option read and then the FB rather than a U-back and then a FB).

This is the problem that I've had with the "too many things that they aren't good at anything" argument. Veer option is based on a running scheme they utilize anyway (essentially a down G) but you don't have to pull because your kick block is the option. Inverted veer is Power blocking all the way. It is their base run play with the same exact assignments and adjustements. Nebraska does absolutely nothing that shows this play is tipped, they don't play it any way other than how a standard defense would play it. But Michigan can't get out of it's own way.

And this is the argument that I've had since PSU. It is execution. This play should work. It is 100% execution. Borges has Nebraska exactly how he wants them. Michigan is missing assignments in their base blocking scheme that they've repped thousands of times from under center, from pistol, from ace, from shotgun. That's not just on the players. Why the hell isn't the coaching staff able to get the players to block their base scheme? Why is it taking so long? Youth is part of it, yes. But at this point they should be able to block the run they utilize 75% of the time, including on their counters. It's on the coaches but it's not because of the play call. The play call is perfect. Why the hell aren't the players able to execute? Part of that, a lot of that, is youth. And part and a lot of that is they aren't getting through to these kids. It's the argument that I've made that's been misinterpreted since the start of all this. It's the same thing over and over again. Why can't they block their most basic, most repetitively run play in the entire playbook?

It’s not that there is too much in the playbook, I don’t believe that. That seems like a plausible answer when you isolate inverted veer from the rest of the offense. But it's not isolated from the rest of the offense. It's a Power O play with Gardner making a read. Blocking is exactly the same as Power O. It's their most repped play in the entire playbook. 

So how can you make it easier? They've taken out most of the difficult things. 75+% of the runs are the same damn blocking scheme. Counter Power, Inverted Veer, Veer option, Power, that accounts for the vast majority of the plays and all those plays have their roots in the same blocking structure. They still can't get it done. It's not about reducing the playbook anymore, they literally can't without just running from the I formation or just inverted veer. They can literally only reduce it by having the same blocking scheme and the same run action behind it, and that would only make matters worse because blocking is the primary issue.

And I know the execution thing rings of cliché as well, but it is absolutely true. This grab bag theory that all these plays are independent of one another isn't correct. They do have some tweaks. Zone stretch is now intended to be a constraint. Same with the counter. But the base of the run game comes back to power over 75% of the time I can promise that.

So it’s part youth. Certainly youth is a valid reason for some of these issues. But it’s also coaching. I can reiterate that until my face turns blue and some people won’t accept that I said it. But there is a fundamental flaw transferring the knowledge of this scheme to the players. This is not a difficult scheme. It’s a scheme taught to high schoolers all across the country. Sure, it gets a bit more complex at this level, and it gets a lot faster and you have to be much better at executing, but the basic, mental problems?

 

Why No Vertical Constraint?

Trust me when I say I would like a vertical constraint (pop pass) out of this look as much as anyone. My goal in this section is to try to explain why it may not be in the playbook right now with so many other issues in this offense.

But I seem to remember a pop pass off of it once or twice last year (I believe with Denard at QB). Honestly can't say why Borges hasn't run a false mesh, slide protection pop pass off of this look yet this year. I would like him too as well unless. My guess is that he's uncomfortable with DG making that read in traffic (he's worried about someone undercutting it or scrapping into it is my guess, and DG not processing it fast enough).

This is intended to argue one way or another if that play should be in there (I would personally like it), it's just trying to give perspective on if it's been run before and why an OC may shy away from it.

 

Why Cover Funchess?

Again, guesses for the most part, but realistically:

As I said, I hate covering receivers. It is a tip to the defense that it's likely run (where, they don't know). That said, you would be surprised how many defenses will still trot a DB out to cover that guy.

Anyway, the reason here is because Borges wanted a guy to block the playside safety. He wanted to form an alley on that side for Fitz. The FB takes the slot defender, Funchess takes the safety, and Gallon takes the CB. Everyone else is sealed inside. That's the only reason he did it, was to get the play completely blocked playside, which it should have been.

They need to cover the TE or Funchess because he wanted to run to strength and wanted that slot blocker. So the TE or Funchess had to be covered. Now, typically I'd say "alright, cover the TE, don't cover your 2nd biggest threat". But a couple things could have gone into the thinking here.

  1. But have the TE off the line you open up plays to the backside of the formation with the inverted veer look (including counter schemes and how the FB would leak out into the flat later). So in a way, it keeps the box defenders more honest, which they succeeded in doing (they didn't all crash playside on the snap before reading the play).
  2. They wanted to know what that slot defender was doing. They didn't want to run him off, they want a clear target for the FB. Funchess covered, that guy comes. Maybe that was something they saw on film and were trying to take advantage of. But there's a real possibility that they didn't want to force the FB to read "is that guy going with the WR, do I pick up the filling alley safety or does Funchess, so do I switch to his guy?" etc.

My guess is more #1 than #2, but it depends on what they saw on film.

 

Conclusion

So what’s the point in all this? Is it to blindly defend Borges? No. The intention isn’t to blindly defend the coaches. The intention is to look at what is happening and figure out where the issue is. Here is a very, very clear example of a bigger picture. It is execution. The coaches aren’t lying about that and it isn’t a copout answer. This is a play where Al Borges got everything he wanted and more from Nebraska. Nebraska, who had a player say they knew every play that was coming, did nothing to stop this play because of any tip or tendency. They stopped it because Michigan can’t get out of their own way. They can’t execute their most basic blocking scheme that they practice and rep more than any other. This points to youth, and this fails to a failure by the coaching staff to adequately teach these players to do one of their most fundamental plays. Both of those are under the execution umbrella.

And this goes beyond this play. This goes to the pass protection schemes. This goes to how I’ve seen veer option blocked. This goes to how every single run play pretty much ever this year is blocked. There are a few players that seem to “get it”, there are some that get it sometimes and not others, and then there are the young or inexperienced that clearly don’t. It’s a fundamental issue that isn’t play calling, it isn’t scheme, it isn’t about huddling or not huddling. It’s not about if you prefer certain screens (I’d like more screens), it’s not about play action or 3-step drops or hot routes. It is as simple as people continuing to fail at doing their jobs. That’s not just calling out the players; that’s also calling out the coaches for putting out a product, for not teaching their students, in a way that allows them to succeed. They are in positions to succeed, probably positions to the best of what they rep day in and day out in practice, but the mental aspect, the thought process, the confidence to know what they are doing without questioning it or doing it wrong is not there. And that is the major failure in this offense right now. This play only exemplifies that.

Comments

coastal blue

November 13th, 2013 at 11:10 AM ^

Here is the rebuttal: 

Michigan's RBs first half: 9 carries, 14 yards. 

Michigan's RBs second half: 8 carries, 1 yard.

Our OC thinks that when you average 1.4 yards a carry in the first half, you should run your RBs the same amount in the second half. Your analysis is meaningless when this is the thought process of the OC. 

SpaceCoyote, I apologize. You're ignorant of your own argument. You don't understand why most people are critical of you. Its not whether or not Al Borges calls the right play most of the time, its whether or not calling the right plays most of the time is something that is A. Truly extraordinary among college coordinators (I'm guessing its not) and B. Whether that is enough to keep his job. You know, the job where he is the 14th highest paid coordinator in the country. 

You truly believe that it is enough (You state so in your last piece). In doing so, you're saying that either A. He is hardly at fault for what has happened this year or B. Even if he is at fault - for lack of preseason preparation, Devin's struggles, offensive line struggles, RBs inability to block, Tackle-Over's failure, etc. - its not enough to overcome the fact that he passes your microanalysis. 

That is all it boils down too. You don't see the big picture, you see only what you are good at analyzing: plays. Borges passes that test and that's enough for you. That's it. 

Space Coyote

November 13th, 2013 at 11:29 AM ^

But I wrote a "Big Picture" section, that states my feelings pretty well.

Also, to actually give your stats context: 30% of the 1st half plays were to RBs. 23% of the 2nd half plays were runs to RBs.

I would say less than a quarter of your plays being to RBs is in the realm of "keeping defenses honest". But, you know, big picture and all.

coastal blue

November 13th, 2013 at 12:23 PM ^

1. Yeah, let's take away the final drive where it was obvious every play had to be a pass and the obvious kneel down at the end of the first half. What do your percentages look like then genius? 

2. You aren't keeping anyone honest because they don't care. The RBs are no threat. Its 10 vs. 11 every single time because they cannot do anything. 

And again, your "Big Picture" argument fails miserably because you're not addressing the real issue: You explicitly state that you believe Al Borges should not be fired. This means you think that he is doing a good enough job to keep his position. You are basing this solely on playcalling and the youth excuse (they don't execute!). You say the "coaching" isn't good enough, but you absolve the head of the offense of any blame. He's the 14th highest paid coordinator in college football. And yet for you, its enough to say "Well, this play makes sense to me, Al Borges should stick around. All the coaching problems rest solely on Funk, not his immediate superior". Thus you are opening yourself up to crticism. If you don't wish to be criticized, then talk about the plays and nothing else. 

 

bubblelevel

November 13th, 2013 at 11:21 AM ^

Pretty succinct and straightforward rebuttal.  How dare he really dig into some aspects of this and shed some light.  Love the statistic of "most" people (here) are critical of him.  That has to be a reason his argument is moot.

I think SC can take care of his own defense of this but I would say that breaking down the play(s) to this degree and understanding where the flaws are are precisely how you begin to follow path to a correction.  I know we don't have one yet and I am frustrated but this is I'm sure what the coaches are looking at with much more critical eye.  In the end it may be that someone has to be replaced but your comparison of running amounts and results is vacuous.  It's that kind of general critique without any depth of description that is a big part of the mob mentality here.

 

coastal blue

November 13th, 2013 at 12:27 PM ^

If his purpose were simply to say: This is why I think this was a good play to run in this situation, then, hey that's great. But he's taken it beyond that: He's using this incredibly thin line of reasoning to advocate for keeping Al Borges. 

A serious question: Is an OC's entire job just to call the right play most of the time? And if the players don't execute, oh well, nothing to be done here. Just gotta wait around till the players can execute. 

CooperLily21

November 13th, 2013 at 11:48 AM ^

You're a good person, Coastal, which is why I'm surprised by your criticism of SC.  Its clear that he is not a "place blame" kind of poster but rather a "educate on the intracacies" kind of poster.  Personally, I don't look to SC for his opinions as to the playcalling - I look to him for explanations of what occurred.  We get plenty of opinion from Brian as to the playcalling (right and wrong).  SC is more of an educator than anything and people should appreciate him for that.  If you don't, fine.  But don't demean SC for his contributions to the Board.  Its not cool and he clearly does not appreciate the unconstructive criticism.

coastal blue

November 13th, 2013 at 12:30 PM ^

1. I could care less if he appreciates it. 

2. I'm not really replying to this post, I'm replying to his general argument that he's made explicitly clear: Al Borges is not the problem and has done a good enough job to continue being the offensive coordinator. 

3. If he was just educating, that would be fine. But he's delving into the politics of the issues (keep Al vs. fire Al) and that's where he deserves criticism. Furthermore, when you argue him beyond playcalling, he just comes back to...well, playcalling or simply saying "nothing can be done during the season". 

CooperLily21

November 13th, 2013 at 2:20 PM ^

1.  That's a cool way to operate.  Disagree with a poster by not only countering their assertion but also trying to make them feel dumb and unwanted.  Really productive.

2.  I do not read SC that way at all.  I don't think he's taken a position on Borges doing a good enough job at all.  I think he's trying to explain why plays are breaking down and stating that, in his opinion, the execution is the major source of trouble.

3.  He can contribute however he wants.  He choose NOT to get into the politics of it.  Call him out all you want but he doesn't have to take a stance either way.  In fact, I appreciate his content even more that way - simply analyzing without drawing end-game conclusions.  He's letting us shape our own educated opinions.  I don't need people telling me how to formulate my own opinions.

pescadero

November 13th, 2013 at 11:23 AM ^

Isn't one of the cardinal rules of running Power O that your TE has to be able to handle the 6i defender alone?

 

...and how good are our TE's at blocking?

 

 

Space Coyote

November 13th, 2013 at 11:30 AM ^

The only time the TE needs to block a 6i alone (before a combo block) is if there is another defender in a 4i technique that requires the OT to down block on him. Typically the TE will eventually have to take over the 6i defender, yes, but not until after the combo has got movement on him and the OT comes off to take the WILL.

pescadero

November 13th, 2013 at 11:49 AM ^

Not really discussingt this particular play - just the basis of Power O in general.

 

I agree that the TE seldom needs to be able to handle a 6i alone BEFORE a combo.

 

He does have to handle the 6i alone (and keep him inside) after a combo on the regular though.

 

What in the world would give our coaches the idea our TE's were capable of that?

Space Coyote

November 13th, 2013 at 11:54 AM ^

There really isn't much they can do. They tried tackle over to make life easier for the TEs in the run game. But in the zone scheme Michigan struggled even more with TE blocking (neither driving them upfield or sealing them inside, instead allowing the defender to dictate on the edge). A down block, particularly after a combo, is a much easier assignment.

So unless you take the TEs off the field or away from the formation entirely, then they will be forced to make a block (or run away from them completely, which means running away from strength or tackle over).

Plays like inverted veer tend to be difficult to run without a TE. You can run them, just like you can run power, but typically it's more of a contraint as to "not always run to strength".

pescadero

November 13th, 2013 at 11:57 AM ^

"So unless you take the TEs off the field or away from the formation entirely"

 

That is EXACTLY what we should be doing... and exactly what I've been saying we should be doing for weeks.

 

They ain't blocking anyone when they try, so why bother trying? We KNOW it's a losing proposition.

 

 

Space Coyote

November 13th, 2013 at 12:04 PM ^

I don't know if it's a better option, what with the other players at those positions and what the players know (limited WRs to work with, Dileo hurt, young WRs that are still learning their role, one that's a converted TE, and then guys that are still playing TE), but it is another option that maybe they'll try.

Again, it's like I said somewhere (I don't know now), I'd like them to throw some hitches, and quick 3-step drop stuff. I honestly don't think it'll really work with the way defenses are playing it, but it least it gets them thinking about it and respecting it. And we know it's in the offense because they are the basic plays that were run once DG became the QB last year.

Caesar

November 13th, 2013 at 11:56 AM ^

So Brian says that the offense is incoherent: too predictable and no counterpunch material--it's just switching from similar sets with predictable outcomes that have some equally predictable razzle-dazzle thrown in randomly and aimlessly. And Space Coyote says that it's actually that the kids aren't executing even super-simple stuff, so there's no room to run different plays from the same sets or not be predictable. However, he also says that this is partially due to coaching.

However they agree that coaches share the blame, albeit for different reasons (with different emphasis on scheme v. teaching).

Is that right? Or have I misconstrued someone's position? 

Caesar

November 14th, 2013 at 10:12 AM ^

So, in general terms, I think Brian is arguing that a lack of player execution stems from an OC reemphasizing a weakness without providing an alternative to help shield the players from that weakness. Even if Michigan isn't great at the staple or the counterpunch, the opponent could drastically increase staple difficulty because there isn't some counterpunch play to widen their focus. 

This is where I'm not sure about your response to Brian. 

 

 

gsimmons85

November 13th, 2013 at 12:18 PM ^

i will read your posts and comments from now on Space Cowboy

 

i think Youth is 95% of the problem.  When you have youth at a possition and smell weakness and inconsistence,  it becomes easier as a defensive coach to exploit those issues than it is for  an offensive coach to scheme a solution.    Much like teams can pressure mistakes out of a youthfull point guard once they see he cant handle it.

 

Allow this group to mature and grow up with some consistence.   (the changing of the starting front is prof to me of a perceived learning issue)

InterM

November 13th, 2013 at 1:49 PM ^

is that we were seeing a lot of the same OL blocking problems with last year's group, which had no youth whatsoever.  I guess SC's response is that Michigan had "different" OL problems last year, that just happened to produce the same result (no running game from the TB position).  My concern is that even if Michigan is experiencing "different" failures this year, the coaches seem to excel at putting the players in positions to fail.

Magnus

November 14th, 2013 at 10:45 AM ^

The problem is that Schofield is messing up some simple things, and Glasgow - a redshirt sophomore - should be better, too. If Glasgow's unable to make the proper line calls, then perhaps that's another reason (in addition to snapping) that Jack Miller should be re-inserted into the lineup. As bad as we thought the blocking was in the first several games, it's been worse with Glasgow in the middle.

ituralde

November 13th, 2013 at 12:23 PM ^

 I think that this play is a classic example of why the Fullback is such an important and underrated position. To approach an opposing player at full speed who is also approaching at full speed in such a manner as to land a successful block is incredibly difficult.  You see heads talking about 'tackling in space' all the time, but actually, 'blocking in space' is far more difficult to do reliably.  

On this play you see the FB completely whiff his block, which messes up the exchange completely.  Even with the poor line play, that missed block there is probably a 3+ yard swing alone, if not more.  I think you'll find that in a lot of plays where the FB is in the play, having him do his job is one of the most critical roles, and I think its our FB play over our RB play over the past few years that have held this rushing attack back, especially the further outside the running play gets.   

Seth

November 13th, 2013 at 12:41 PM ^

Why do they have to do it with a FB in the first place?

Why can't they line up 4 wide and force the damn defense to not stack everybody to the gorram playside so you have to execute incredibly difficult fullback blocks with your fullback who sucks at blocking, and a difficult on-the-fly adjustment followed by the play's key block from your true freshman tight end who also sucks at blocking?

eric_lanai

November 13th, 2013 at 11:20 PM ^

I too appreciate SC's post, but it doesn't hit home for me.

Imagine if we played everybody out of position on the OL while sitting Gallon and Funchess in favor of more OL.  In theory the play design could gain yards if people execute. But in practice, we are not putting people in position to do their jobs.

Borges has basically done that all year.  Fitz can't block DE's but is repeatedly being asked to do so.  I'd rather take my chances that the OL will catch on to the scheme.  Or throw Hayes out there and have him go out for a swing pass.   Fitz can't run from I either, but is asked to.   Williams can't block at all or catch; he plays over Dileo who can catch (usually).   Funchess and Butt can't block either but are asked to.  Kerridge is plays OK, but not great, and plays over Dileo or Norfleet.

 

  And for what, so we can play "power"?  M has a tradition of shotgun passing too.

 

biakabutuka4ever

November 13th, 2013 at 12:30 PM ^

Great analysis.  This post is not meant to be technical, just an overview.  

I guess my thought is that I really do think most of the plays should work in theory.  However, it just feels like Borges makes his plays harder to execute because the defense can be so aggressive and he does not play to his own strengths.  I mean, just as a fan I see a team struggling with pressure run only 2-3 screens a game which seem to always be successful.  This just seems indefensible to me.  That was a staple of Michigan's pro-style for years.  Nebraska and MSU seemed to blitz relentlessly with no reprocussions.      

Also, how do we not get Toussaint and Gallon more involved in the short passing game?  Both are solid with the ball in their hands and it would take a lot of pressure off of Gardner.  I've gone to the past two games, and I've seen Gardner take multiple sacks where there isn't a reciever closer than 30 yards downfield and no short checkdown.

To me, some things are just appear obvious in this offense.  We don't pass when we show the read option on the veer, we don't throw quick passes to exploit cusion or bad tackling on the perimeter, and we are one of the worst teams in the country in terms of executing the running game.  All we see here is a blown up play, but we don't see is how opposing coaches have approached our offense.  I think the results speak for themselves to a certain extent.  

 

Seth

November 13th, 2013 at 12:38 PM ^

I can't believe you actually had to ask if it was alright to post this. This is a FANTASTIC post. I'm reconsidering a lot of what I've been complaining about.

I do think that this adds to the mounting evidence that Power blocking is the exact opposite of what these players are good at. Take a look at the assignments each guy had (tell me if I get anything wrong):

Lewan: protect the backside and slow the DE trying to flow down the line. (Easy)

Bosch: Pull and find the MLB in the B gap before he gets in the backfield.

Glasgow: Recognize the over shift and position of the DE (Difficult) and call out assignments. Snap it to the shotgun (needs more practice) and block down on the backside DT (Easy)

Magnusson: Recognize he's got the frontside DT, block down on him (Easy).

Schofield: Recognize that the alignment has made the SAM the option defender and that kick won't be there by alignment, so he's got to mind-meld with the U-back to know that they need to combo this guy. Execute said combo block and get leverage. (Super hard).

Butt: Same with Schofield: recognize alignment has killed the playcall's blocking assignments and work with the T to either double team the frontside DE or combo him and move down to a safety. (Super hard)

Kerridge: Recognize the safety isn't buying the covered Funchess threat and is blitzing, and block that guy streaking into the play (Hard because of the playcall/RPS -- unless you can see what the defense is doing and be ready for it, all of your reps are telling you your block is going to be a filling guy waiting for you outside to show up after the give, not a streaking athlete going hells bells for the mesh point.)

Funchess: Occupy a safety without going downfield as an ineligible receiver. (Wait what?)

Gardner: Identify the correct option read between three defenders hovering around the POA, make the correct read on that defender.

There's a lot of weak points in the play call versus Nebraska's play call, and you're basically asking the hard, on-the-fly decisions to be made by the freshmen. I think we agree on this: they're not repping this play enough to be able to make those on-the-fly things, and they're not experienced enough to see them as they come, and the guys they're asking to make key blocks (Butt, Kerridge, Funchess) are just not good blockers.

So I think my primary crticism stands: the coaches' answer to what teams are trying to do to stop their Power O offense is to put another blocking-type out there, but they don't have any blocking types. This is why we're begging for them to spread the field. Instead of a fullback, put Dileo spread out to the backside of the play, and Nebraska will have to put a defender out there. And start Funchess in the backfield so it looks like you're trying to get him a free release and the defense has to react to the possibility that you're going to pass to him.

Running a Power O offense is obviously the end goal, but it's just as obvious that this team's personnel is THE WORST at running that offense, even after doing this stuff for three years. Whether Borges's playcalls are insane or they're just 2008-ing it right now while they wait for their recruits to mature, right now they're putting their players in a position to fail. The playcall is part of it because they're persistently trying to get blocks from bad blockers that they could get for free by running out their best players.

Shop Smart Sho…

November 13th, 2013 at 1:59 PM ^

And not surprisingly, this post has not been responded to by a single Borges "defender" in over an hour.  I would say that what Seth posted sums up, pretty damn well, the complaints that many have with just this one particular play call.  And I'm going to assume that if anyone ever responds to him, the general answer will be "execution" is the only problem.

CooperLily21

November 13th, 2013 at 2:29 PM ^

I think you misconstrue SC's approach.  His contributions here are exactly what Seth has embraced and appreciated:  To analyze specific plays and explain what went wrong.  SC has never professed to know the answer or know how to fix things other than to state that the play would have worked had the players executed.  Rather than tossing in his educated opinions, he's simply trying to educate us on the Xs and Os and let us make our own opinions which Seth then does above.

If put through the wringer I bet SC would state that Borges needs to go next year if things do not improve and that Funk needs to go this year (I think he's said as much).  As for changing schemes I think SC would state that its too late in the year to spread things out - too much practicing power under their belts and too difficult to change now.

Personally, I think Borges did the EXACT same thing that Rodriguez did when he arrived - came with a philosophy that he was adamant on installing even without the proper pieces installed.  IMO, he wasted Denard's talents last year and he's close to wasting Devin's this year (though Devin has had some great games thus far).

Icehole Woody

November 13th, 2013 at 12:47 PM ^

Thank you for this meat and potatoes post.  Very informative. 

My feeling has been it's not the play calling but the shitty O-line play.  I would challenge the fire Al Borges crowd to find some plays that will work when the o-line and others do not block.

 

BlueGoM

November 13th, 2013 at 1:38 PM ^

In the OP:

"But there is a fundamental flaw transferring the knowledge of this scheme to the players. This is not a difficult scheme. It’s a scheme taught to high schoolers all across the country. "

 

OK, so either our players are as dumb as a bag of hammers, or the coaches can't "transfer knowledge".  Which... sounds... like... a coaching problem.

 

 

97 Over Jimmys

November 13th, 2013 at 2:07 PM ^

Apologies for any misunderstanding or ignorance in this question, but SC, do you think the scrape exchange/blitz call reduced the probability of the play succeeding?

If not, then what probability do we think AB has in mind of Kerridge making the block on the scrape exchange/blitz when he calls the play?

If so, then why do we think that the DC called the scrape exchange/blitz? Did he know something that helped him improve his odds, or was AB just unlucky?

gvsulaker19

November 13th, 2013 at 4:55 PM ^

Why the read guy ends up getting blocked. Realistically, if the DE isn't your primary read, then the first guy outside the tackle box should be aka the safety.

Reading an outside LB who is lined up inside his DE, with everyone being manned-up on the LOS, I think is a harder read for the QB. There is alot of bodies to have to look past.

Again, the alignment of Funchess guarantees he is not a passing threat, so that safety is clearly there for run support to the strong side of the formation. Of course he has the green light to go when his keyes tell him it is run.

I like the analysis/counterargument by SC, but I still think that unless the DE was suppossed to be the read and was blocked "accidently", the read should have become the first guy outside the box, the safety. I just think it would have been an easier read for Gardner and the path of the FB (going wide) would make more sense.

 

Sten Carlson

November 13th, 2013 at 6:59 PM ^

SC,

As usual, great post.

As SC has said, it's not a "black or white" issue of players vs. coaches -- it's a combination of the two.  Is youth a factor, of course.  Is poor coaching a factor, obviously.  The real question, in my mind, is whether or not continuity, at this point, is important enough to hold of change. 

Unfortunately, I don't think anyone of us has enough information to make that assessment accurately.  Perhaps, in a candid conversation, Hoke would say that Funk has really dropped the ball.  Or, perhaps he would say that the center of the OL is the worst he's ever seen in his coaching career.   We just don't know.

One thing I think we do know, however, is that every Saturday Borges has to call a game, and he can only call the plays that he feels the players can execute.  Given that fact, and knowing that he knows as well as anyone how poorly they've been executing, it seems like many times he simply stuck with very viable options.  It seems that many of Borges detractors just lash out and say, "call something else..." and the more sophisticated detrators call for a specific play, like as short pass or a screen.  But again, when he calls those, and the players don't execute that play, well...what then?  This whole meme of the choaces "not putting the players in a position to succeed..." is horse shit, IMO.  I was an athlete, and at the end of the day, it was on ME to execute in the game.  Sure, if the coaches aren't relaying the scheme/technique properly to me that is an issue, and one that I think is going on here.  But c'mon.  As SC pointed out.  Everyone of these kids has been doing this for YEARS, they know what to do, they're just not doing it because they're thinking too much.  Why are they thinking too much?  Youth and inexperience.  When they're not so young and inexperienced, they'll execute better.  Simple.

 

You Only Live Twice

November 13th, 2013 at 8:24 PM ^

Thanks SC, for the obvious time and trouble you have gone to.  I enjoyed reading it, (me with my non-football brain) and even understood parts of it.  :)   I don't even know enough to say whether I agree or disagree, just that it was interesting and well presented.

In all seriousness, one constant in my 50+ years of being around, is that the people I am most grateful for are those who share their knowledge. 

B-Nut-GoBlue

November 13th, 2013 at 11:41 PM ^

SC, if you get back to this, I knows this isn't at all anything that needs discussed but if you got a minute can you give some info. on the Green Boxes?  I think you said they're calls the O-line is making pre-snap?  Are these one particular playbook/teams calls or are these standard words Lineman use for call outs?

On a related note: with football garnering so much attention this past decade, with the help of GREAT QB play by Peyton, Brady, Rogers, Rivers, Brees, I think pre-snap read audibleing and checking has become something of "cool thing" and I, for a few years now, have wondered the lingo and such that gets thrown around in the high ranks of football.  The micophones are great and one can sometimes get some good audio from QBs in certain games but for the most part we mostly hear muffled yelling.  "52's Mike...52's MIKE!" for e.g. has seemingly been a common call the past couple years, not this is anything new but I think HEARING it is, and so that's pretty cool to hear and hone in on.  But, the more the better, as it all helps us understand the games within the game and all the nuances.

Kind of a ramble but again, QB stuff is great to hear but the Lineman stuff is something we usually aren't able to pick up on other than "pointing", so since the opportunity was there with your post and as it happens the "lineman calls" actually in the examples, I figured I'd inquire.

Bear In Woods

November 14th, 2013 at 2:06 AM ^

Calling out the Mike is actually on Olinemen related thing. Based upon the game plan for that week and protection's that have been drawn up saying who is the Mike tells the Olinemen where to begin there pass protection slide, and where the RB is going to help if he is.

The Mike when being called out by the QB or Center doesn't always have to be the actual Mike backer, for eg a team could call James Ross or Morgan the MIke even though one is the Will, depending upon how they want to protect and what 5 guys the Oline are responsible for.

Then again you probably already knew all this.

B-Nut-GoBlue

November 14th, 2013 at 8:15 PM ^

Cool.  Yep more or less knew the Mike call is for the Lineman; is that a new-ish (~10 years) thing that QBs are calling that out for them or is that pretty traditional?

BUT, I maybe did not realize that the Offense calling out the Mike does not always correlate to the defense's actual MLB and that it's more for the blocking scheme of the Offense.  It makes sense though.  Thanks.

Bear In Woods

November 14th, 2013 at 2:30 AM ^

I'll try to break these Oline calls down. If SC comes back he can clear them all up, because I could be wrong. 

Blunt- The backside Tackle is going to protect the void that the backside Guard is pulling from. His first step is going to be playside with his right foot, he will check the 3 tech to make sure he doesn't shoot on the pulling Guards hip and disrupt the play and then hinge step with his outside foot to kind of form a pocket and take on the weakside 5 tech.

 

Me- Means the Center has the 1 tech or 3 tech to the backside all alone.

 

Now the combo block.

 

Eat Back- "Back" says that either he(playside Tackle) or the TE are going to work back to the Will. If the LB comes underneath the Tackle will have him, if he works over the top the TE will come off the combo block and he has him. "Eat" refers to him having to step playside and reach the 5 tech first with the TE before one of them can leave. "Eat" means the TE is working with him.

 

Tag Back- "Back" same thing as above but now he is working with the Guard to the Will. "Tag" refers to stepping down right away instead of out like he would to a DE. The Guard is now the covered man so he is going to Tag with the playside G and that is the combo block back to the Will.

 

Stack- Means that the playside Tackle is covered and that this is where the combo is going to occur with the TE on a 5 tech. If you look at the shades(alingments of the defenders) and use uncovered or covered rules, if the Tackle is covered by some one, for eg a 5 tech that means he and the TE are working together. If the Tackle isn't covered, but rather the guard is by a 3 tech, then Tag Back comes into play. 

 

Really what needs to be concentrated on and is the most important call is between playside Guard, Tackle, and the TE. Based upon whether or not the Tackle is covered or not covered by defensive alignment is going to determine the differing line calls.

 

Hope this helps, SC can probably clear some more up if he comes back.  

 

Space Coyote

November 14th, 2013 at 8:44 AM ^

These are very basic terms. High schools will use them a lot because they're easy to remember. Coaches will use them because they're universal. The higher levels will use different words so that it's not tipped. FWIW, things like "back" were just added to make it simple. A lot of teams will differentiate between zone and man blocking, so something like a "TAG" block is different than a "Queen" block, but both are combo blocks between the tackle and guard going to a LB, just one will go to the backside, one will go to the front side. Anyway...

EAT = End and Tackle

TAG = Tackle and Guard

CAGE = Center and Guard

Blunt/Me - Described above

Stack - Communication between TE and FB indicating the LB is stacked (meaning the kick block is stacked)

Kick - Communication between TE and FB indicating the EMOL needs to be kicked.

Stack and kick will often be done with some sort of hand signal or something and also help out the RB

Primer

Power O

Power from Spread

 

Magnus

November 14th, 2013 at 10:46 AM ^

Good post, Space Coyote. We run this exact same play in my program, and your explanation is pretty consistent with how we run it, although we have different names for the blocking calls.