Co_nelius Jones Review - Week One (a weak attempt this week)

Submitted by Clarence Beeks on

Was able to catch essentially three quarters of the Jones' game tonight (the other couple we went with, who drove, wanted to leave just into the 4th, so I didn't have much choice). I intended to keep stats, but this was the first football game that I've ever been to where they didn't sell programs (at least on the visiting side) so I didn't have anything to write on. Sorry, I'll be better prepared next week. Now for some points of review:

- First things first: Spartanburg High was incredibly out coached in this game, so everything that follows (and probably all season) should be viewed through the lens of terrible play calling and utilization of available talent. They continually tried to run the ball up the middle when it was apparent to everyone in the stadium that doing so was futile.

- Second, Jones' receivers have hands of stone. Also needs to be kept in mind when reviewing Jones' stats, probably for the rest of the season. I would pretty safely predict that Jones will have terrible stats this season that are not entirely (or at all) reflective of his abilities.

- Third, tonight's game was against Dorman High who was the only team to beat Byrnes last year (ranked preseason #2 nationally) and looked pretty solid again this year. Dorman is also approximately twice as big as Spartan High (Dorman has about 3,200 students in grades 10-12 and Spartan High has about 1,800 students in grades 10-12).

- Running - Jones is not nearly as fast as I expected him to be. I can't seem to find a 40 time on any of the recruiting sites, but if I had to guess I would say he's probably 4.5 at best, and that's probably generous. He did seem to be able to cut fairly well and did make good reads on the cut backs. It was difficult to tell if his inability to make plays with his legs was because he wasn't as fast as anticipated or because the defenders were faster than anticipated (remember, he was playing a pretty darn good team). It's not that he's slow, just not as fast as I thought he would be. He's probably the fastest player that Spartan High had on offense, but my guess is that Dorman High's offense had at least 4 players on the field on every play who were faster. This is a point that I will be certain to reevaluate next week.

- Passing - Jones is a pretty accurate passer in the short passing game (less than 15 yards), but struggled with accuracy beyond that. He had average velocity on his long balls and was probably a little too forceful with the short passes. He had at least a half dozen passes in the 0 to 15 yard range that were right on the money and just flat out dropped, mainly all by the same receiver and in critical situations. He really seemed to struggle throwing the ball down field. He was either long or floated the ball on virtually every pass over 15 yards. That said, on the balls that he was long on he had good velocity. He was more accurate on the run than when in the pocket on both the long and short passes. He seemed to make good reads, although the play calling didn't afford many options. I have no idea why, but most of their plays started from a single back, double tight end formation and typically either both tight ends would stay in and block with the back releasing or one tight end would release and the back would stay. Either way, the most options he ever had on any given pass play were three receiving options. He seemed to process the reads well and quickly, especially on short routes and was effective at placing the ball at places where only his receiver could catch it. When routes were covered he appeared to make good decisions to bail out and run, but again he wasn't nearly as fast as I anticipated so this mitigated the effectiveness in such situations. I don't know the final stats for sure, but I would be surprised if he rushed for more than 20 yards tonight.

- With all of this, definitely remember that all of these observations are just off of one game that is the first game of the season and was against a very formidable opponent. Altogether I would assess, at least in week one, that Jones is a more effective passer than runner, although his passing skills are very raw. With proper coaching I don't have any doubt that Jones could develop into an effective passer, but he certainly is not there yet. It is also worth keeping in mind, as I said before, when reports on Jones come in through the season in the media, remember that it does not appear that the coaching staff are particularly effective at calling plays or making in game adjustments and that he doesn't have what appear to be particularly skilled receivers to through to. Just my two cents for this week. I'll report back after every game that we attend, which should be all but one or two.

For those who are wondering, the reason why the thread was titled this way is that there is a dispute over the spelling of his first name (i.e. whether it is Cornelius or Conelius). I intended to obtain a program to settle the matter, but as I said previously they didn't have any programs. The PA announcer said Cornelius, but again it was an away game, so I wouldn't take that as evidence either way.

Also, I realize that this is a double post.  I should have posted it as a diary to begin with, but I messed up.  I will be sure to get it right in the future.  In other words, I'm sorry, so please refrain from the snarky comments.

Comments

dakotapalm

August 21st, 2009 at 11:59 PM ^

Thanks Clarence. I was hoping to make it to the game, but I had to work late tonight. Maybe next week. I have little doubt that his name is Cornelius, as that's the way it's pronounced on the local radio station. (1400am) To the national audience, what he stated about the Dorman team is correct; that team is an outstanding run defending team, and did defeat the #2 team in the country last year... so this was probably one of the toughest games that Jones will face all year. Hopefully, the Vikings can rebound next week.

Clarence Beeks

August 22nd, 2009 at 12:07 AM ^

See, I don't know for certain. All of the papers report it as Conelius and I've heard people say it both ways and heard people say it both ways tonight. I'll pick up a program at the first home game and I'll take that as proof one way or the other. You're probably right, but then I have no idea why all of the newspapers spell it Conelius.

fatbastard

August 27th, 2009 at 4:04 PM ^

The King Cone of Rap graduates this year. If Jones' name really is Conelius, he would be a natural replacement for Coner and thereby complete the last step in the evolution from Statuesque Michigan Quarterback to Barwis Slot Ninja Warrior Quarterbacks.

Clarence Beeks

August 22nd, 2009 at 12:05 AM ^

In response to Magnus from the other thread: Yeah, that's why I said 4.5 "at best". My honest guess, without anything other than my eyes to back it up, is that he's quite a bit slower than that, but again, I really have no idea for sure. All I know is that his coach touted his speed as his best attribute in the recruiting videos, which is all over the initial assessments on all of the recruiting sites, and what I saw tonight was a player who I wouldn't particularly consider that fast. The fastest player I've ever seen play in person was Kelly Baraka (who was a freshman at my high school when I was a senior). I believe Baraka ran somewhere near a 4.4, and I can guarantee that Jones is nowhere near that fast. Thus, I went with 4.5 "at best". Ultimately it probably has more to with the hype that came from the coach's words and what my expectations were. If that makes sense. Your comment on tentativeness probably has a lot of merit and it's actually what my wife's assessment was. The only reason I'd somewhat disagree with that is that the tentativeness normally tends to go away when a player is running in the open field or going flat out to beat a defender to the corner and I didn't see a noticeable difference between situations where there would be indecision and these decisive situations. You're right though, the team is not particularly good on film and in person.

Bleedin9Blue

August 22nd, 2009 at 12:10 AM ^

Thanks for going through all the trouble of trying to remember this, it's appreciated by me and I'm sure by the rest of the community. It sounds to me like he has a fairly good football IQ if he's making the proper reads most of the time even against what should be a pretty stout defense. So that's good. Hopefully some of his 15+ yard throwing problems can be mitigated with proper coaching and improved fundamentals. We all know that even the most polished of HS seniors (like Tate) still need a lot of work on their fundamentals. I'm encouraged by the fact that you said the balls tended to float or go long. Obviously that's not a good thing but it does imply (mostly the long part) that he has a strong enough arm to get the ball downfield when necessary, he just needs to get better at doing it. As for 4.5 speed, as Magus (I believe it was Magus but I'm doing it on memory since the thread has now been deleted) said, that's pretty darn fast. But, we're used to seeing kids as having 4.4 or 4.3 speed. So, taking 4.5 relative to those benchmarks might be a better way for us to determine how fast you're trying to say he is. Denard is listed as running a 4.38 while Tate is listed as running a 4.55. Based on that, you're saying that Cornelius Jones is about as fast as Tate. Is that right? I don't know if you've seen Tate for the comparison so feel free to correct me. But I think that doing a comparison like that might be more useful than trying to give a number. Just a suggestion. I greatly look forward to more posts from you. Thanks again for keeping us all informed, it wouldn't do for the community to forget about the other QB recruit in the 2010 class.

Clarence Beeks

August 22nd, 2009 at 12:16 AM ^

I'll try to get a better perspective on the speed issue in the following weeks. It's possible that one of three things happened tonight: (1) he's not that fast, (2) he was tentative, or (3) the opponent had several defenders who were faster than him. Another possibly there really should be that the play calling left him exposed in situations where he ran. I think you're right about the football IQ observation. Although, he did throw into double coverage a lot on the deep balls, which makes me wonder if he's just very raw all around when it comes to the deep passing game. There is no doubt in my mind that he has a ton of velocity on his throws. If anything he needs to learn to put more touch on the short passes.

MGoObes

August 22nd, 2009 at 3:08 AM ^

cornelius. you're in south carolina right? that's why you're hearing conelius, that's likely also why it's being misspelled. i assure you though, it's cornelius

tomhagan

August 22nd, 2009 at 6:31 AM ^

It sounds like C is a project... and that is OK because Michigan will have several other options that will be playing while he develops as a QB. He sounds like a great kid and will be getting a fine education at M.

Leviathan

August 22nd, 2009 at 8:19 AM ^

Thanks for this; if you planned on doing another that'd be great because I think we'd all like to hear how he does against a less overwhelming team. Also, your assessment of his speed (great quickness/agility, good not great top-end speed) is about what I expected after watching his recruiting video, but still a little disappointing after reading about how he's a 4.4 guy. However, from what you say his passing skills aren't bad, his football IQ is fairly advanced and he's got a strong arm, which is exciting! Anyway, thanks for the game analysis, hopefully you'll have time for another one sometime during the season! Oh, forgot to ask, how big did he look? He's listed at a solid 6-3 185 lbs. Do ya think that's program height/weight or did he really look it?

Clarence Beeks

August 22nd, 2009 at 9:25 AM ^

I'll address these with bullet points for ease of discussion: - Speed - That's exactly what my thinking was as well. From the way his coach hyped up his speed I was expecting more. - Football IQ - I would definitely say it's fairly advanced considering that this is only his second seasons of organized football. - Size - I'd say that's probably relatively close. Again, without a program I didn't have any frame of reference to other players on the field, but he was taller than most of his teammates and wasn't pencil thin.

Blue boy johnson

August 22nd, 2009 at 12:08 PM ^

Thanks, very informative Mr. Beeks. Do you know the final score? As far as futilely running the ball up the middle, I guess it could be preferable to negative plays against a speedy opponent

Clarence Beeks

August 22nd, 2009 at 12:26 PM ^

Lost 20-7. The touchdown came after we left on a punt return. Spartan High ended up with only about 100 yards of offense. The article from today's paper is here: http://www.goupstate.com/article/20090821/NEWS/908219932/1088/SPORTS?Ti… Booker (who is named in the headline), who as far as I can tell is being recruited by no one, is Dorman's quarterback. He ran for 80 yards and two touchdowns. He definitely appeared faster than Jones, but wasn't nearly as good of a passer. As far as the play-calling, that's possible, but they actually had success when they stretched the field. This would have been the perfect opponent to spread the field on, and they have plays in the playbook to do it, but they didn't. Even on obvious passing downs they ran out of that double tight single back formation. The only thing I can really think of is that they were trying to run some type of max protect scheme to counter Dorman's DE and LB who are both FBS-level recruits. His line did a good job of protecting him on pass plays. My issue with the playcalling is that they should have passed more given Jones' ability to have success underneath, not necessarily that there was a problem per se with running up the middle. If any of that makes sense...

foreverbluemaize

August 25th, 2009 at 11:48 PM ^

Curious about something I read earlier today. CJ said that he would not be opposed to changing positions when he gets to A2. I will go on pure speculation here for this question but assuming TF or DR have a good year and lock in the spot of starter, and then also assuming DG redshirts next year but impresses as much as the general consensus of this board seems to think he will. If that be the case and CJ moves to another spot where do you think he would go. I would tend to think that with his height he could add 10 or 15 pounds and be a LB or perhaps a TE. Do you have any thoughts on potential position jockeying or do you think he will lock in at QB.

Beegs

August 27th, 2009 at 6:56 PM ^

CJ seems like a Justin Feagin-type situation to me (not his business acumen) in that I suspect he was only really recruited as a fail safe just in case D Rob or The Force don't pan out at all (seems unlikely). Let's hope CJ ends up playing safety or some such which will mean that we don't need him at QB.