CC: Refuting the "Les Miles has Regressed the Past Few Years" Mythology

Submitted by alum96 on

Alternative title: You want a 1 year wonder named Mullen over this guy?

It has been interesting to read all over MGo msg boards, and hear on the podcasts the conventional wisdom that Les Miles peaked a few years ago and has begun to regress significantly.  Asking a coach to remain at 1-2 losses indefinitely is something only Bama fans can expect.  And as sports lovers know the difference between a 9-3 year and a 11-1 year can often be 3 -5 plays. 

So I thought I'd take a look at how Miles LSU teams offense + defense data stacked up the past 3 years (inclusive of 2014 which is far enough along to be useful) versus the first 7 years.  The data will probably surprise those who have bought into the mythology of Les Miles dropping off of late.

DATA:

Columns 3-5 are three measures of offense, of which I favor columns 4/5 for rigor (FEI began in 2007).  Same for columns 7-9 for defense, with emphasis on colums 8-9. 

  W/L Tot Off oFEI oS&P+   Tot Def dFEI dS&P+
2005 11-2 60 * 14   3 * 11
2006 11-2 11 * 5   3 * 1
2007 12-2 26 3 6   3 6 3
2008 8-5 55 44 26   32 47 33
2009 9-4 112 58 45   26 18 23
2010 11-2 86 20 35   12 9 13
2011 13-1 86 17 6   2 2 2
2012 10-3 85 46 37   8 6 7
2013 10-3 35 5 13   15 38 35
2014 7-3 67 38 15   13 12 3
                 
First 7 Years   62.3 28.4 19.6   11.6 16.4 12.3
Last 3 Years   62.3 29.7 21.7   12.0 18.7 15.0
                 
Variance   0.05 1.27 2.10   0.43 2.27 2.71

Miles' teams are remarkably consistent.  All 6 offense/defensive measures show a variance of 0-3 in the past 3 years versus the first 7 years.  That's a rounding error in the big picture of 128 slots.

Now of course in the end  the W/L record matters.  But if you analyze a coach only on that you will miss the forest for the trees. 

  • Miles 2012 team had 3 losses - by 8 to FL, by 4 to Bama, by 1 to Clemson.  They also had a handful of close wins.  LSU could have been anywhere from a 12-1 to 8-5 based on a few bounces.
  • Miles 2013 team had 3 losses - by 3 to GA, by 3 to Ole Miss, by many to Bama.  They only had 1 "close" win.  LSU could have been a 12-1 team with 1 blowout loss to Bama very easily. 
  • The 2014 team has an offense which would make OSU's and UM's look like graybeards - essentially every skill player went to the NFL post 2013.   Even with all thoses losses, if they played in the Big 10 (with weaker competition) their offensive FEI would be 3rd best in the confernce.  There has been 1 blowout loss to Auburn and 2 close losses to the #1 and #4 teams in the country.

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Miles has never had an elite QB other than Russell who he inherited from Saban.  He has not really had elite RBs either - usually that offense is a manball style with good OLs and aNFL type WR here and there (who lack QBs to get them the ball regularly).  And it's paired with a normally elite defense.  Miles built at LSU what Brady promised in Ann Arbor.

 

Now if you want to argue Les cannot repeat that record here (where the conference is worse and he will be LOLing at 8 of the 14 Big 10 teams - "wait the Big 10 has 8 Vanderbilts?"), or he relies on JUCOs too much (as does Mullen), or he can't speak well enough in public forums, or he has no friends in the UM AD - well that's another conversation to have. 

But the mythology of LSU regression of late is not born out by the data.  LSU has essentially had the same team the past 3 years as it had the previous 7 on average - it has just picked up an extra close loss or two here or there vs elite years. That's football.

And I can make an argument that Miles today carries a lot less risk than Miles of 2008-2009 when it looked like he carried Saban's players to success and then once Miles' recruits filtered in things fell off.  Of course 2010-2013 proved that not to be accurate but post 2009 you did not know that.

If the Harbaugh Hail Mary fails, it would be silly to not put Miles in the next tier of candidates. Miles has a better situation than Mullen at LSU but has a decade worth of great to elite seasons (vs 1!), runs a style of offense suited for the players recruited at UM (vs a run spread Mullen brings of which we are eliminating the last few players recruited for it this year), loves the damn school, and the "success due to JUCO" argument is the same for both.  And if interested UM's average recruiting ranking during the Miles era at LSU is #11; LSU's is #9. 

Hard to understand any logic calling for Mullen over Miles unless age trumps 15 other coaching measures Miles owns over Mullen.  And 5-7 years of a proven commodity is better than a 1 hit wonder who if a failure won't be here 5-7 years himself.

 

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Technical notes - I am using 3 measures. 

(1) The NCAA's total offense + defense - which is a very simplistic measure that ranks teams on nothing other than total yards gained or allowed per game.  This benefits teams in bad conferences over teams in good conferences as any halfway decent unit will put up PED laden performance.  To that end if you focus solely on total defense, the Big 10 is in a golden era.  In year 2014, 4 of the top 10 defenses are from th Big 10 (Wiscy #1, UM #7).  And 8 of the conferences 14 teams have defenses ranked in the top 25 in the entire nation.  Of course that reflects on the horrid state of offenses in this era led by a bunch of bad QBs. Plus a lot of MAC games in OOC. So I don't love this measure that much.

(2) Football Outsiders FEI measure and (3) Football Outsiders S&P+ measure.  Both of these incorporate various strength of schedule adjustments, garbage time adjustments, blowout adjustments etc to give a more comprehensive view of a unit other than yards gained or yards given up.  Read more about them here and here.

 

Comments

alum96

November 13th, 2014 at 8:28 PM ^

I would like a new offense myself but run option, or run spreads are the least favorite of my offenses due to how many hit the QB takes.  Even RR has changed his offense to a more Oregon like pass spread style.  Exposing your QB to 20-25 hits a game on purpose is not smart long term.  Even Urban's offense is not a true run option spread anymore, Barrett only had a few designed runs.  (The Miller offense was more of Urban's old style but that was due to Miller not being a great thrower)

Even if Mullen was more of a sure thing we literally are getting rid of the last pieces of a team that was built for Mullen.  Having Speight run Mullen's offense would be like having Mallett run Rich Rod's.  On the other hand guys like Graham and Patterson are running variations of pass spreads or Air Raids of which you can at least make a case the transition cost would be acceptable and relatively easy. 

This week will be very interesting - with how strong recency bias is if Miss State takes a bad loss v Bama I will be curious how the views change.  It should mean nothing because 1 game is negligible in his trajectory but watching how quickly people jumped off the Sumlin bandwagon, it will change people's perceptions.   Of course a win would also do the same.

AZ-Blue

November 13th, 2014 at 11:03 PM ^

Why the 7-3 split?   If you split the years analysis to 5-5 instead, your numbers reveal significant improvement as opposed to no change which seems to dispel the myth even clearer.   Just curious.

alum96

November 14th, 2014 at 10:10 AM ^

Because the meme being passed around on the boards is "Miles has fallen off the past few years so should not be a realistic candidate for UM anymore - he was a better candidate in 2007 or 2010".  So I split "the last few years" out on their own (post 13-1 season where he was not "falling off"), and when he had multiple 3 loss seasons.

There are legit reasons to question Miles (or just about any candidate) but I don't think LSU's on field achievements the past few years would be one.  I bet if I did one for Bob Stoops I'd see similar data, and I am likewise seeing some comments about Stoops on how he is not the coach he once was, Oklahoma program is faltering, this or that other thing.  Because we all seek the unicorn as a coach.

DeBored

November 13th, 2014 at 11:17 PM ^

Mullen is not a one hit wonder.  He has a solid coordinator pedigree, and his results at Miss State were not that bad even prior to this season.  He's also pulled several top 20 recruiting classes at Starkville, which is no small feat.  Miss St., along with Kentucky and Vanderbilt are the traditional bottom feeders of the SEC.  He has Dak Prescott (3 star, no national position ranking) in the Heisman discussion.  Mullen is a way better move than Miles, even if Miles wants to come here.  I wouldn't jump off a building if Miles were hired, but there better be a Mullen rejection beforehand.  My tiers:

Jimmy

Stoops/Patterson/Mullen

John Harbaugh/Miles/Andersen/Other Stoopses/etc.

 

alum96

November 14th, 2014 at 10:45 AM ^

Just for kicks I quickly pulled the offensive FEI of Dan Mullen his first 5 years - didnt pull the S&P+ and total offense data, but it will all tell a similar tale.  I then put UM's 2013 data for a mediocre 1 dimensional offense that exploded due to Devin for ND, OSU and Indiana... that lost 6 in a row to close the season and was stymied by the likes of Northwestern and Iowa for comparison. 

The first 5 years of this run spread "offensive guru" don't show me much other than year 6 is a 1 year wonder.  Again - Mike Leach, Sumlin, Graham, whoever - they'd have found a way in 5 years to put out an offense that put up points even if they lost games 45-30.  Mullen was unable to despite his "guru" status.  He has NOT ONCE until this year had an offense that was as good as UM's unit in 2013 (per FEI) that could not even run the ball.

Miss State is 23 in 2014 on this measure for comparison.  That's solid.  OSU is #14, MSU #22, and ND #30 for comparison.  (Michigan #94)

  W/L Tot Off oFEI
2008      
2009 5-7   44
2010 9-4   69
2011 7-6   88
2012 8-5   87
2013 7-6   46
UM 2013     42

What Mullen did for 5 years was beat teams he should have (almost all tomato cans), lose to teams he should have, and upset >.500 Ole Miss a few times in a rivarly game.   That told the story for 95% of the games of the Dan Mullen experience between 2009-2013.  It is what is.  Year 6 is obviously different.

DeBored

November 14th, 2014 at 12:05 PM ^

Yeah, nothing stunning there.  But since he is the head coach, why not put the defensive FEI stats too since their total performance is his responsibility?

uminks

November 15th, 2014 at 12:44 AM ^

My next pick would be Les Miles. He is a great coach and would build a great team here at Michigan. I think Les could dominate the B1G, where on average he would get us to winning 10 or 11 games per year. He would be a great hire until Harbaugh eventually tires of coaching in the NFL. Les could retire in 8 to 10 years and Harbaugh will be ready to take over. I would prefer Miles over Mullen in a heartbeat! I think if Miles is offered he would take the HC job at Michigan just to get the hell out of the over competitive SEC! Miles would have a better chance of getting to the playoffs coaching at Michigan then LSU. 

bj dickey

November 15th, 2014 at 10:51 AM ^

Nice post. But when I read the title wondered if you had some inside info on Les' legendary appetite having "regressed", or not. Instead it was his record at lsu, which, yes is very good.

Wmonette

November 25th, 2014 at 12:51 AM ^

It seems like he hasn't aged a day! We should all eat grass apparently. It seems to work wonders for the Mad Hatter.

 

 

Serious talk though--I love Les Miles. I won't be mad at all if he is roaming the sidelines next year. Yes, I want Jim Harbaugh so very, very much. But to me, hiring Miles is NOT settling.