CC: Evaluating Kyle Whittingham as a Plan B Option

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If you are just now getting into the CC sweepstakes and are interested in candidates the board has spoken of often please see writeups over the past 8 weeks of Mullen 2.0 Mullen 1.0, Graham, Patterson, Mark Stoops, Harbaugh, Butch Jones Gary Anderson - and retrospective analysis of how Strong & Franklin would have stacked up as candidates.

This will be my last CC analysis as we've exhausted all possibilities I can think of that are reasonable.  In the past few days some names have surfaced as potential superficial candidates - Jim Mora, Art Briles, Sean Peyton, Bill Belichick, Ghandi, and Kyle Whittingham.  

I won't spend much time on Mora and Briles - a cursory look at their histories show what you would expect.   Briles is a guy who has never left the state of Texas, is well paid, had offense galore and then in the past 2 years found religion on defense.  UM with Briles would be fun, we'd look a lot like OSU but with a different offense - zilly offensive stats with a decent but not great defense.   Mora only has 3 years of data at UCLA but reminds me of a Mark Richt/Lloyd Carr type - he will get you to a respectful level but winning the big one is always a question, and annually loses a WTF game.  He'll always be a threat to run to the NFL.  I'd see a lot of 9-3 years with Mora which from current status of the program is great, but is he a guy who'd lead the team to the last step... conference championships?  Open question. Also he was basically handed the Texas job last year and refused.

This brings us to a candidate I was interested in much earlier this year but based on his rejection of Tennessee in 2010, being in the state he played college ball in (BYU), his 20 (!) years at Utah, and being a Mormon in Utah thought there was little chance he'd move.  Maybe there is still little chance but we are hearing his name at the edge of some Sam Webb / Football Outsiders reporting (plus some chatter he met with Nebraska) so he may actually be in play and it's worth taking a closer look at what a Kyle Whittingham reign would bring. 

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Coaching candidate.... Kyle Whittingham, age: 55

Summary:  Kyle Whittingham has been the HC at the University of Utah since 2005, taking over after a whopping success left by Urban Meyer in his 2 years there.  Prior to 2005, Whittingham had spent another decade at Utah as the DC and DL coach.  So he bring a defensive focus.  He'd also immediatey be the most ruggedly handsome coach in the Big 10.  Gary Andersen - the current Wisconsin coach - was Whittingham's DC for a few years.  Whittingham's background reminds me very much of Gary Patterson - a DC who was elevated to HC and has taken the program through a progression from lower level conference into major conference.

I will use the Gary Patterson comparable a lot because Patterson would be my personal choice for CC 1B behind Jim Harbaugh.   I think Patterson is the better coach.  But 12 months ago no one on MGo would want Gary Patterson due to recency bias (more on that later).  And now a year later Patterson is not moving from all accounts.  So we have to look at reasonable candidates - is Whittingham one?  I don't know - this could be a negotiating ploy.  His contract comes up in 2016 and what better way to get a raise than negotiate with Nebraska and Michigan?

Another parallel with Patterson is Utah's move to the Pac 12 which happened a year prior to TCU moving to the Big 12.   The first year of the transition was pretty good (8-5) but the 2nd and 3rd years were struggles - this is no surprise.  It is one thing to play a Power 5 conference team 1-2x a year like a Boise State does.  It is another to go in with Mountain West talent and compete every week.  Think of Brady Hoke's San Diego State team trying to compete with UCLA, USC, Oregon, Stanford, ASU, et al on a weekly basis.  It takes time to cycle up your program with a higher caliber of player.  Utah and TCU are getting there now.

The open question with Patterson 4 months ago was (after 2 years of similar struggles) could he do it in a Power 5 conference?  He maintained a very good defense even in the Big 12 but the offfense sucked.  Behind the back of a complete conversion of his offense in 1 offseason from run based to Air Raid, behind a dynamic QB he showed he can do it.  And has gone from afterthought to one of the most sought after coaches once again.   Whittingham likewise has been trying to change his offense  (more on that later) but lacks that dynamic QB, and frankly aside from Dres Anderson lacked elite playmakers - and Anderson got hurt in October.  At which point Utah began losing.  Put a player like Trevone Boykin on Utah and they might have been the team losing to Oregon last night in the Pac 12 championship game - and the 8-4 season is 10-2 instead.  And Whittingham is much more coveted.  Little things....

Michigan fans will be familiar with Whittingham from 2 encounters with Utah in recent years - both ending badly for UM.  It is generally a team full of 2/3 stars that looks fundamentally sound on defense/special teams without much star power on offense.  Utah is not a talent rich area of the country and what talent there is will get swiped often by BYU or regional Pac 12 powers - hell, even Michigan can go in and get a guy like Mone.

This is a fundamentally sound coach who knows his stuff and maximizes talent - the open question is what would he do with more talent.  I think he could do very well.  He'd be much more inspiring than Mike Riley.  So let's throw out another comparable - Gary Andersen at Wisconsin.  Both coached in Utah, and Andersen had a far shorter record but Andersen is providing competent leadership and Wisconsin has not missed a beat.  One issue for Whittingham is lack of Midwest footprint.  But Andersen seems to be doing fine without one, unless one believes he is living off Bielema's players (which might be the case - he has not been there long enough for his own players to cyce through).

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Coordinator Situation

The main issue for Kyle Whittingham is offense.  Utah is not good at it most years.  But Whittingham has not stood pat - he keeps trying new OCs, almost to be a LOL level, and not having success.   Now I did not research why all these guys left (aside from Dennis Erickson who I recall was demoted this past offseason for the new hire - and Norm Chow), but here is a list of OCs:

  • 2010: Dave Schramm's 2nd year
  • 2011: Norm Chow
  • 2012: Brian Johnson
  • 2013: Dennis Erickson
  • 2014: Dave Christensen

That's 5 OCs in 6 years folks.  I know Chow went to Hawaii to be HC in 2012, and Erickson's results stunk so he was demoted but it's a lot of turnover.  Christensen ran some of Missouri's really cool Chase Daniels type offenses so you'd think he'd eventually be the one - with more talent infused.

The defensive side of the ball is no issue - much like Wisconsin's Dave Aranda (brought over from Utah State), Utah has 39 year old Kalani Sitake...who is in his 6th year as DC (!).  He is from Tonga which in the Utah area helps as Samoa and Tonga seem to provide a lot of players.   Utah runs a 4-3 defense so no issues in transition costs.   I would expect both Wiscy's Aranda and Utah's Sitake to not be long for the coordinator ranks - these are exactly the type of guys a mid major gives a chance to as their HC.   Or maybe if Whittingham leaves for Ann Arbor, Sitake would elevate to Utah's HC.   But again, Kyle is a defensive oriented coach so I'd feel comfortable he finds a suitable replacement down the road.

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Whittingham is a modest hire in terms of salary at $2M.  We'd probably give him $4M because hell this is Michigan fergodsakes but guys like Andersen went to Wiscy for $1.9M and Helfrich makes $2.3M.

Recruiting?  Obviously recruiting at UM will be different than Utah but a cursory glance at Utah's classes from 2007 forward shows classes from 30 to 70, but mostly 40ish.  There has been an uptick since entering the Pac 12 except for last year's drop to the 60s.  But the past 3-5 years has been a 35-45 type range.  Respectable for a team that is in the bottom third of the Pac 12.  Rank 35-45 in Big 10 terms would be Wisconsin; 30 to 70 (his longer term work at Utah) would be more like Purdue or Illinois.  So this just gives a frame of reference for the type of talent Whittingham has when he mashes a Michigan team or goes into the Rose Bowl and beats UCLA, or hosts USC and beats them too.  It's a coach who maximizes talent.

 

Recent (10 years) coaching background

  • 2005-present:  HC at Utah

Analysis:  As mentioned above he has been at Utah in one form or another since 1994.  Hence my reluctance to do a CC on him along with all the other candidates 6-8 weeks ago.  Is he pliable?  I don't know - either he sees he has done all he can do at Utah, or he is playing Nebraska and (perhaps) Michigan for a raise.

 

Results

Caveat for results ----> (a) nothing exists in a vacuum (b) as a coordinator you can benefit or be penalized if your HC is good or bad or average (c) injuries or graduation can change your results dramatically in any 1 year.  This is the type of stuff you'd research as an AD staff on every potential candidate.

His coordinator history is too far in the past to bother with so we'll just focus on his HC years and I won't do it quite in depth as some other CCs.

(1) HC at Utah

I did not bother with breaking out Whittingham's "Total Offense" and "Total Defense" stats as it takes a lot of time to compile and instead just went with Football Outsiders FEI and S&P+.  If unfamiliar with those you can go to the site and read up on the - essentially they are advanced stats which try to best compensate for strength of schedule, eliminate garbage time stats, etc etc.   Total Offense and Total Defense is nothing more than a measure of total yards gained or given up, which can be highly flawed and for example makes every Big 10 defense look a lot better than it is due to a myriad of awful QBs in conference.

Here is Whittingham's data - FEI measure started in 2007, S&P in 2005.  The 4 starred years (2011-2014) reflect his Pac 12 experience.  Again, please allow for the fact when a mid major goes into a major conference it is a big step up - even Gary Patterson had struggles when TCU graduated upward.

  W/L Tot Off oFEI oS&P+   Tot Def dFEI dS&P+
2004 12-0   * *     * *
2005 7-5   * 108     * 56
2006 8-5   * 29     * 58
2007 9-4   93 49     12 16
2008 13-0   29 19     10 9
2009 10-3   78 13     26 36
2010 10-3   75 19     34 19
2011* 8-5   27 110     17 14
2012* 5-7   63 93     53 65
2013* 5-7   35 53     34 29
2014* 8-4   75 83     15 41

 

So what do we see overall?  Defensively we see a team that is solid almost every year (2012 is one exception - it happens)  It is not quite as good as what Gary Patterson did at TCU but again, Texas has a different level of "2nd rate" player than Utah does.   What impresses me is when Utah moved from the Mountain West to the Pac 12 the defensive data (aside from an outlier in 2012) stayed consistent - that is great.

Offense?  Well that is the issue with Utah.  Again there is a lot of similarities to what Gary Patterson brings you - consistent defense almost every year, and years the offense shows up you tend to surge.   There are some outliers here - i.e. S&P+ was happy with Utah's offense in 2009-2010 while FEI did not like it.    I am sure changing OCs like diapers has not helped - a consistent OC with an "upper end" QB would surely help Whittingham. 

 

Seasons

Let's look at the last 5 years (1 year MWC, 4 years Pac 12) to show what a Whittingham brings you. 

2010 - Utah was 10-3, 7-1 in conference and finshed #23 in the country.   That was the year TCU went 13-0 and finished #2 in the country.  TCU did smack Utah to the tune of 47-7 that year; the other 2 losses were 28-3 in South Bend to Brian Kelly's ND, and 26-3 in a bowl to a 12-1 Boise State which finished #9 in the country.   So Utah was smashed in all 3 losses which I don't particularly like but 2 of those teams were top 10, and one finished #2 in the country.  The wins were over the rest of the Mountain West, and OOC teams like Pittsburgh (close) and Iowa State (a blowout0.  Air Force and San Diego State (hi Hoke!) were the 3rd and 4th best team in the conf that year - Utah won both of those close.

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2011 - Year 1 in the Pac 12, Utah went 8-5 overall (4-5 conference).  That is actually pretty damn good for a first year conversion.  Patterson went 7-6, 4-8 his first 2 years in the Big 12.  A mixed bag of wins and losses - a blowout of UCLA and BYU offset by bad losses to the likes of Coloardo and ASU.

  • Key Wins:  54-10 @ #23 BYU (wow), 31-6 vs Neuheisel's 6-8 UCLA, 27-8 v Mike Riley's 3-9 OSU, 30-27 OT win in a bowl over Paul Johnson's 8-5 GA Tech.
  • Key Losses:  23-14 @ Lane Kiffin's 10-2 #6 USC, 31-14 vs Sark's 7-6 Washington,  35-14 v Erickson's 6-7 ASU, 34-10 v Tedford's 7-6 Cal, 17-14 to 3-10 Colorado.

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2012 - Year 2 in the Pac 12 did not go so well, 5-7 overall (3-6 conference).  No need to break this year out - it was a "form" year - Utah beat every team that finished below them in the Pac 12 (Colorado, Cal, Washington State)... and BYU OOC.  And lost to everyone else.  The main positive is the nature of the losses - all except for a blowout loss to Todd Graham's ASU were 1-2 score losses.

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2013 - Year 3 was like year 2 other than the fact it had a major upset in a home win vs Rose Bowl bound Stanford.  5-7 overall (2-7 conference).  Utah owned the state of Utah, beating a pretty solid Utah State team, and BYU yet again.  In conference the only wins were over a bad Colorado and a 27-21 win over Stanford - which is built like Utah in many ways actually.   Again, all the losses (moral victories I know) were 1-2 type scores other than a loss at Oregon.   So it shows a team who plays decent defense but just does not have the offense to compete with the high powered engines of the Pac 12.  If that Utah team was playing Northwestern, Iowa, PSU, and Michigan instead of Pac 12 offenses it probably would have done far better in conference.

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2014 - Year 4 was an improvement for Utah as you reach the stage where Mountain West players fall off your roster and you get some Pac 12 players reaching upperclassmen stage.   There were only 2 bad losses - late in the year, to Oregon and Arizona; 2 teams in the conf championship game.   The season started with 3 tomato cans - Idaho State, Fresno State, and Michigan (zing!).   There was a 1 pt loss to Washington State (but that defense held Mike Leach to 28 pts), and an OT loss to very good ASU (I watched that game, it was very even).   Some key wins were @ UCLA, @ Stanford, and hosting USC.  All solid but not elite teams.   The team really was hurt by the loss of its 1 major offensive weapon in late October - Dres Anderson.  The team went 2-3 after although I presume they'd have lost to Oregon and Arizona either way.

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Overall

Is Kyle Whittingham the best coach for UM?  No.  Is he my top choice? No.  If Jim Harbaugh says no should he be in the next tier IF he is truly interested?  I believe so.   The tea leaves as I read them are not Jim Harbaugh vs Les Miles.  I don't believe Les Miles will be offered due to what we are hearing from various outlets, Miles "history", plus Jim Hackett's insistance on character.  So I think it is Jim Harbaugh v the field.  If that field does not include Gary Patterson (who from all accounts is a no), and Todd Graham (who is a very good football coach plagued by being a mercenary and has little to no chance of being a UM candidate), I think Kyle Whittingham should be under strong consideration. 

Utah seems to be turning the corner this year - they still lack dynamic playmakers of any sort on offense.  Again I will go back to the Gary Patterson example - a year ago at this time TCU was coming off year 2 of the Big 12 and many wondered if the Patterson magic was just a MWC thing?  TCU was 4-8, with the 104th ranked offense in America.  People would spit on me if I offered Gary Patterson as a CC 12 months ago.  Now everyone wants him.  I see a lot of similarities in Whittingham with the caveat I believe Patterson is a top 10 coach and Whittingham  more like top 20. 

The coach Whittingham actually reminds me the most of in terms of way the teams play is one Mark Dantonio.  Without the douche factor.  Good defenses, maximizes value of player, develops players, offense (until this year at MSU) somewhat uninspiring.  By all accounts - as best as I can tell from 2000 miles away - Whittingham is also a "solid guy" - so that fits Hackett's goals regarding winning with character. 

As for that offense, you have to project what Dave Christensen (who again had some hell good offenses in Missouri with less talent then UM) - if he followed Whittingham to UM  could do with this talent ....and we know what Utah can do on defense with far less talent then UM brings.  Of course we do not know if Christensen would be coming along with Whittingham - Utah's offense looked more pro style than spread to me when they played Michigan but Christensen had a lot of pass spread concepts under Pinkel in his Missouri years.

Is Whittingham "better" than a Jim Mora (also a "long shot" candidate)?  Debatable - depends what you prefer.  I think both would sort of get UM to a similar place but in very different fashions.  Whittingham would not be a threat to go to the NFL as Mora would.  Lack of midwest exposure would be a penalty for both Mora and Whittingham - but again Gary Andersen seems to be doing ok from a similar West coast/Mountain situation.   Is he "better" than Mullen? He is less complicated. Utah's offense is less different to UM's than Miss State's is, there are no oversigning issues, - Pac 12 recruiting would be more on par with Big 10 recruiting.  There is no pulling of scholarships and offering greyshirts 2 weeks before a kid shows up on campus.   Is he "better" than Greg Schiano or Mike Riley?   I don't know but I'd feel he has more upside.   And he is less of a douche than Schiano (Riley is supposed to be a super nice guy ala Hoke).

Comments

blueinbelfast

December 6th, 2014 at 11:22 AM ^

Based on what we've seen out of him first hand against us alone, he should get a look in.  He's been a consistent winner and seems to do it the right way.  Worth a look, just in case Christmas never comes.

Tater

December 6th, 2014 at 11:58 AM ^

I would be happy, or at least satisfied, with that hire.  The OP's observation on the talent pool there cannot be understated: he is competing in the Pac 12 with what is essentially still Mountain West talent.  

The comparison with Gary Andersen is probably a better comparison than Gary Patterson because Texas may be the best recruiting ground in the country; Patterson has better access to players than Whittingham does.

 

Monocle Smile

December 6th, 2014 at 12:25 PM ^

Aside from the incredibly dumb QB leap at Michigan and the Desean Jackson moment during the Oregon game, Utah just looks disciplined and well-coached even if they're not world-beaters.

MichAero

December 6th, 2014 at 12:49 PM ^

If we have to jump to "Plan B" options, I think this would be one of our better options. I feel better knowing that Dres Anderson was unavailable beginning in October. I know their offense wasn't great even with him, but it seemed like they were falling apart down the stretch and I didn't know why.

I'm hesitant to bring in a guy who would need to rely heavily on an OC to get the offense running though. I'm sure that this is an effect from the last few years, but it is still something to think about. That being said, that is probably a reason he is a "Plan B".

alum96

December 6th, 2014 at 1:04 PM ^

"I'm hesitant to bring in a guy who would need to rely heavily on an OC to get the offense running though."

Both Gary Patterson and Todd Graham are former DCs who rely heavily on an OC to get the offense running.  Plenty of guys specialize on 1 side of the ball or the other.  Urban is the opposite - he is an offensive guy who relies on his DCs for that side to be good - Charlie Strong for example.  Sumlin is an OC who needs a DC, Chip Kelly was the same way,  Guz Malzahn, etc.  Even Jim Harbaugh - click thru my piece on him at the top of the page - he had 3 bad defenses until his brother sent him a great DC.  His last year at Stanford suddently he had a great defense.

There is always a weakness - the key is finding the guy on the opposite side of the ball who offsets your strength.   That is what separated out a guy like Hoke - he was never a proven coordinator and looking thru the stats of his old teams he never had a consistent record on either side of the ball.  You'd think it would be defense but he had a boat load of ho hum defenses at Ball State and San Diego State.

Brodie

December 6th, 2014 at 1:10 PM ^

If we hired Whittingham (or Mullen), three of the top traditional B1G powers would be run by memebers of the 2004 Utah staff. I'm down for that reason alone.

Eye of the Tiger

December 6th, 2014 at 1:42 PM ^

Not thrilling, but not particularly worrisome either. So I'd put him above Stitt, Schiano and Chryst--maybe above Herman, though I'm not sure. That would make him either #6 or #7 on my list, which is now down to 10 and will probably be updated in the next week--unless Hackett announces we've hired Till Zellicheck first, that is. :P

I prefer Jim Mora, frankly, but maybe that's because I know the UCLA program really well.

bronxblue

December 6th, 2014 at 2:44 PM ^

Good stuff.  The offensive struggles are probably due in large part to OC changes, but at the same time it is nice to see a HC willing to take chances when things don't seem to be working out.  I agree that Miles shouldn't by 1B, and a guy like Whittingham or Patterson, if either are interested, should be.

Personally, though, I don't see either guy being interested.  They have had opportunities before and have stuck around, and there are enough intangibles that it seems unlikely they'd jump ship even for a "name" like UM.  Personally, I think it is Mullen and then Michigan has to give a serious look at top coordinators (unless Mark Stoops comes into play, I guess).  Still, it would be a nice pick-up with a proven track record of competing against good teams (I mean, 5-7 in the Pac-10/12 isn't terrible, and 2013's 5-7 included an upset of Stanford and a number of close losses to other good teams in the conference), and he's young enough that he'd be able to build up the program before moving on.

hps7751

December 6th, 2014 at 3:40 PM ^

I don't question Willingham is a good coach.  That said, he's not the proverbial "home run" Michigan needs at this point in time.  Like many, I have set myself up for a major disappointment if Harbaugh doesn't come to Ann Arbor. Absent some name "no one" has mentioned  to date (where is that mystery name promised for this weekend Colin Cowherd?), I pretty much view the balance of the field, including those who won't consider coming, e.g. Stoops & Patterson, as sloppy seconds.  If it's not Harbaugh, I'm resigned to being comfortable w/Mora.  He's resurrected a morobid UCLA program after Neuheisel left it in shambles.  He's recruiting on par, if not better, than USC.  UCLA plays w/a swagger it hasn't shown in decades.

alum96

December 6th, 2014 at 4:40 PM ^

Oh you must have missed the completion of Cowherd's trolling - the name was Bill Belichick.

Somtimes boring is good - neither Dantonio or Gary Andersen moved the needle for anyone.  Either did Jerry Kill.  And I could make an argument those are 3 of the top 4 coaches in the conference.

Me?  I think winning is sexy and if its 17-10, it still works for me.  A lot of Mora games are 35-27 losses.  I am not sure where UCLA is recruiting nowadays.  So not sure how he is doing relative to expectations.  If we want excitement I'd just throw $6M at Briles but he has a southern drawl which from my understanding  precludes us from seriously considering him.

In many ways a Whittingham type should have been the 2011 hire (again he rejected TN in 2010 so he was probably not listening) but that is the type of guy with a real track record of success ...not 2 years of success... that should have been the hire.  It is too bad he was not a DL coach in 1994 for Michigan rather than Utah - would have been a shoo in.

alum96

December 6th, 2014 at 7:21 PM ^

I see Mora as a Lloyd Carr without the 1 NC type of candidate.  So a West Coast Mark Richt.  And I think Whittingham would be the same.  I have them both in the 15-20 rank nationally as coaches in my mind.   Both solid, not elite.  I dont think Carr was elite - that 1 NC really saved his bacon as he had a lot of 3-4 seasons each filled with the traditional WTF loss.

Mora's team coming out and laying such a big egg vs Stanford when the bright lights were on was pretty typical of what happens to his teams once or twice a year.  Carr-like.  Richt-like.

Only reason I have a slight edge to Whittingham is he has yet to have the chance at a major program to wet the bed in a similar way.  He could very well be the exact same type of coach (so I get the same floor as Mora) but until he is given the raw material to work with we won't know (so maybe he has a higher ceiling if given UCLA type recruits). 

I wouldnt want to see him in our conference at a top 5/6 school to find out.  So I am glad if he was a serious candidate Nebraska went with Riley - a decision that boggles me.

alum96

December 6th, 2014 at 7:30 PM ^

Nothing in a vacuum.  Just pulled up 5 classes from UCLA from 08 to 13 and other than 1 class everything was between #8 in the country and #14.   Neuhuisal (sp?) was wasting talent the same way Hoke and Rich Rod were ... and TN is, and so on and so forth.   UCLA actually recruits as good or better than Oregon in that time frame - only USC is better.

Not that its the end all be all but ASU recruits in the mid 30s to mid 40s most year.  I've never looked at Zona but I doubt its much better than ASU. 

Again not end all be all but its a bit of apples to oranges.  UCLA should be a top 10-12 team annually with their classes as should Michigan, they recruit almost identically.  And just like UM should not lose to Northwestern or Minnesota, UCLA should not be losing to ASU or Zona as long as their development is solid.

alum96

December 6th, 2014 at 7:12 PM ^

Kill set the table for Doeren.  Doeren set the table for Carey.

Unless you are MN and willing to take a chance you need to see a guy like that go to a different program to see if he can do it.  Doeren is currently in year 2 at NC State - next 2 years for him will be the "tell" years (years 3-4) to see what he is. 

Wolverine76

December 7th, 2014 at 12:11 PM ^

Too bad we can't wait 2 years to see if Doeren succeeds in his, as you describe, "tell years."  As an old alum I am just tired of the same old same old.  I am at the point where I would like to see  someone unconventional.  Yes, RRod was "unconventional" but he wasn't the right "unconventional."   I don't know why everyone is so hot on Harbaugh.  Living in the Bay Area, I see all the controversy surrounding him with the 49ers.  All of his strengths are well documented but he burns so hot he burns out everyone else around him.   Long term stability is not his strong suit.  Unless the stodgy Administration is willing to cede entire control of the football program to him and accede to every demand he makes,  he won't be around past year 4 either, simply not for the same reasons as RRod or Hoke. Besides he covets the Lombardi Trophy, not the Sears Crystal Football.  Having gotten so close to it, he is hardly (given his driven personality) going to give up that pursuit voluntarily. 

ragtimepiano

December 9th, 2014 at 2:22 PM ^

Strong record at NIU developing players, lots of coaching experience, fine character, former three-season starter at center for Bo.  No one knows the game better than a center!  We don't need a big name/big ego  like Harbaugh.  We need a solid midwestern coach with a proven record.

drreed1967

December 6th, 2014 at 9:41 PM ^

I have thought for a long time, that, if Harbaugh does not work out, he would be the best option. He seems to be an way above average developer of recruits and has the acceptable demeanor for a university that demands that personality.

JMac

December 7th, 2014 at 11:52 PM ^

I've brought his name up a while back not as my first choice but as a coach that should be considered.  Thanks for the great overview.  You confirmed my thoughts that he certainly could be capable of doing a respectable job.  Like Bielema, he was a little upset with his assistants not getting their contracts extended and possibly raises which I thought made him a easier target.

mgoblue0970

December 8th, 2014 at 10:29 AM ^

One thing about KW... Michigan wouldn't be soft anymore. 

What about TCU's coach?  He's gotta be thinking B1G is a better option than Big 12 right now.

Pope Harbaugh

December 9th, 2014 at 11:02 AM ^

I didn't know much about Whittingham until a couple weeks ago, but he seems like a great guy for the job. Would definitely like him as a Plan C or D option, and he would be great at that. 

D.C. Dave

December 9th, 2014 at 5:42 PM ^

I know everyone is on the Harbaugh train. I think Harbaugh is a great coach but I'm not as excited about him coming to Ann Arbor for one reason -- the constant rumors we'd deal with every offseason that he is a candidate for an NFL job.

We all know it will happen. No reason to pretend otherwise.

Would he turn us around? Yes. Would he turn us around and return to the NFL? Also probably yes.

It's a deal we'd all take. If he comes, great. But no one should imagine Harbaugh will come to Ann Arbor and finish his career there. There's just no way that is happening. He is somewhat like Saban -- though clearly Harbaugh is a better NFL coach than we've seen out of Saban in his two stints. Harbaugh will not be able to resist going after a Super Bowl. If he'd already won one, I'd feel differently. But he wants one in his career, no doubt.

If Harbaugh says no, Whittingham deserves more than a look. He is an outstanding coach and the point about how he maximizes the talent he is able to land at Utah should not be underestimated.

His teams are physical and sound. He gets a lot out of them. He'd do great with the talent he can attract at a place such as Michigan.

True Blue Grit

December 10th, 2014 at 1:41 PM ^

does not work out.  This guy is a proven good coach who would do even more with the greater talent he would have and recruit at Michigan.  If he brought his DC, all the better.  I do think he would want to retain one or two Hoke staffers to be able to effectively recruit Michigan/Ohio/Indiana/Illinois.  It sounds though that it may be hard to pull him out of Utah.