CC: Doc Holliday (Marshall)

Submitted by Padog on

After all of the CC threads, I was very surprised that there has only been one mention of Doc Holliday. I personally like keeping track of unbeatens in college football and when Marshall was 4-0 I started to get curious. So I looked up there coach and started some research. Now that they are 7-0, I thought that this would be threadworthy. I am gonna break this up into a couple different categories similar to how Ron Utah has done his in the diaries(which are good reads). The categories are: Coaching Background, Offense, Defense, Special Teams, Recruiting, and likeliness of him coming here and staying.

Coaching Background:

West Virginia(Part 1):

He started off at West Virginia under Don Nehlen, who was a QB coach at Michigan, as a Wide Receivers coach. He did that for 7 years and moved to the defense to coach the Inside Linebackers. Then he went back to Receivers and then was promoted to Assistant Head Coach. He coached the three top career and single-season reception leaders in school history and 8 of the top ten players in both categories.

NC State:

He coached in Raleigh for four years as an Assistant Head Coach and receivers coach. During his time here he coached three of the top 8 recievers in school history. Notice the pattern here.

Florida:

You guys may not like this but Holliday coached under Urban Meyer from 2005-2008 as an Assistant Head Coach, safeties coach, and recruiting coordinator.

West Virginia(Part 2): 

Almost hired as the head coach after Rich Rod left to coach somewhere, he was hired as the Assistant Head Coach, tight end coach, fullback coach and recruiting coordinator.

Marshall:

Where he is now, he has been the coach from 2009-Present.

Offense:

Easily Hollidays strong suit, besides maybe recruiting. His teams can put up points and fast.

Here are his average rankings for yardage per game so far at Marshall:

47th TOTY/G = 435 Yds

40th PY/G = 265 Yds

60th RY/G = 170 Yds

But what about scoring? 

Well, here you go:

2010:

20.8 PPG = 108th

2011:

22 PPG = 106th

2012:

40.9 PPG = 9th

2013:

43 PPG = 7th 

2014(thru 7 games):

47.4 PPG = 2nd

This averages out to the 46th best Points per game. That is about 33 Points per game which is enough to win every game. 

He runs a spready offense, but at this point I think we all would take someone who can win, it doesn't matter if he runs the triple offense, just score more than the other team.

Defense:

The iffy spot of this guy, his defenses, have been above average but again not great. 

He has had the 

71st best pass yardage defense, the 

65th best run yardage defense, and the 

68th best total yardage defense. 

That averages out to 

237 pass yards,

163 rush yards, and

411 total yards.

Now points wise, his teams have averaged the 66th best defense in the country, which this year would be good for 27 points per game. Again, with his offense, enough to win.

Special Teams:

An average special teams coach, this is by no means "Beamer Ball" but I do not think we would have to worry about counting the players on the field. 

Over his career at Marshall, his punt team has averaged 42.8 yards per punt. 

They have averaged 9.2 yards per punt return. Michigan averages 7.8 right now. 

And they have averaged 22 yards per kickoff return. Michigan averages 19 right now.

So, a downgrade in the punting game but an upgrade in the return game. Plus I would imagine that Norfleet is better than what he can get at Marshall.

Recruiting:

Doc Holliday is known for being a pretty outsanding recruiter. He has won the recruiting award for his area a bunch and has pretty good ties down south. He pulled together some pretty good classes at Florida and West Virginia. Here are his recruiting class rankings from rivals:

2010:

#71

1 ****, 8 ***.

2011:

#55

18 ***

2012:

#68

1 ****, 10 ***

2013:

#58

3 ****, 8 ***

2014:

#63

11 ***

2015:

#79

4 ***

To get these consistent classes at Marshall is pretty impressive. He is not in a recruiting hotbed which some small schools are and he is at a school that is not intriguing.

He has averaged the 66th best class, that is consistent and an average class. He has gotten 5 four stars over six years. He has also averaged 10 3 ***s per class. Again these are pretty encouraging. At Michigan, there are a handful of kids that fall in love with Michigan no matter who the coach is. It seems like Holliday would do well enough here.

Likeliness of him coming/Staying:

I think if he was offered the job of a big time school i.e. Michigan, He would accept. However, he has only coached down south and has spent most of his time at West Virginia so I would say there would be a 40% chance of him coming if we offered. He only makes 600,000 a year right now so of we offered him 3 mil. I couldn’t see him turning that down. Also, if WVU ever came offering, I could see him spurning Michigan for that opportunity.

So overall, I really like Doc Holliday. He has gotten consistent results with worse players. Is he the best option? No. Should he be considered? Definitely. He has a lot of the things you look for in a quality coach.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Comments

roosterbaan

October 23rd, 2014 at 12:44 AM ^

he's a solid coach but a spectacular recruiter. 

he's done a great job with an under-the-radar program that was a tire fire when he was hired.

i just don't see him at michigan, though. 

talent is not the issue at michigan, it is actual coaching. doc holliday's success is related to his ability to inject talent into a program deficient of it. michigan is getting plenty of talent. we just need a coach who knows what to do with it and develop it accordingly.

Ron Utah

October 23rd, 2014 at 12:58 AM ^

A few things:

  1. Really nice post with great information.
  2. Doc clearly has offensive acumen, and would need a great DC
  3. He appears to be a pretty polished coach, and I think he should be considered.  Marshall is practically in Ohio (near the KY/OH/WV border) and he knows the area.
  4. At 57, I do wonder how much longer he wants to coach
  5. The biggest potential downside, IMO, as you mentioned, is that he leaves to be HC at WVU someday.  Does he even want to leave the area?

It would be interesting to see if he has the desire to coach at a big school that's not his alma mater (WVU).  If Holgersen gets hired by a big school this offseason, I think Doc ends-up at WVU--where he stays until he retires.

Mpfnfu Ford

October 23rd, 2014 at 9:48 AM ^

He's still a legend down here in Raleigh because he's the guy who discovered and recruited Philip Rivers. Hard to believe considering how successful his career has been in college and NFL, but Rivers wasn't a highly touted prospect. That's a pretty big feather in the cap for ol' Doc.

UMaD

October 23rd, 2014 at 11:55 AM ^

I'm open-minded to him as a candidate but that 7-0 record is paper thin and should not be viewed as significant evidence of his coaching acumen.

scottva1

October 23rd, 2014 at 3:24 PM ^

Not a bad option, seriously. But we need a home run right now not another low tier project. Jimmy H is obviously our num 1. He is the modern version of Bo. We need him. NOW DAMN IT. GIVE HIM 6 mill


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Michigan4Life

October 23rd, 2014 at 4:38 PM ^

no thank you to Doc. He is similar to Hoke in a way that he is a delegator.  Plus, Marshall is successful because they'll take everybody who doesn't qualify in other schools but will qualify under them bc of Prep 48.  

Moonlight Graham

October 23rd, 2014 at 9:13 PM ^

dragnet. I'd put him on some sort of (plausible) second tier behind Mount Rushmore (Harbaugh, Harbaugh, Miles, Mullen) with Addazio, Butch Jones and perhaps a guy like Jack Del Rio who also intrigues me. Good post. 

umfanchris

October 24th, 2014 at 4:47 PM ^

There are a few reasons why I am skeptical on this guy. Here’s why:

  • His record coming into this year was 27-24.  Even this Year’s 7-0 record has NO good teams on their schedule. Their best win is possibly Middle Tennessee.
  • He has a short head coaching resume that has only 2 good season on it, and that’s counting this season as one of those seasons. (Sounds like Brady Hoke)
  • He has never been a Coordinator of any kind. Not that this is a necessity, but I never mind seeing that on a resume. (Again Sounds like Brady Hoke!)
  • Has never won a conference champion as head coach (again sounds like Hoke)
  • How much of the offense can you really credit Holiday with? He has had the same offensive coordinator the whole time he has been there (Bill Legg). Legg is considered a very smart offensive coordinator who has done well at his previous 2 coaching jobs FIU and Purdue (when they had a good offense).
  • Age. As many have said he will be 58 by the time the next season starts. Not ancient by any means, but also doesn’t help him.

Padog

October 25th, 2014 at 1:44 PM ^

I agree with you on most of these things. I tend to be more favorable towards a coach that is trending upwards I.e. Holliday, Rich Rod and not a coach that was once really good and has kind of flattened(Les Miles). The offenses at Florida and N.C State were really good with him there. This guy found and coached Philip Rivers.


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