Can "rational thought" and the "loyal Michigan fanbase" truly coexist?

Submitted by clarkiefromcanada on
Hello friends,

It's unfortunate that we all had to tolerate a difficult loss Saturday on national tv against a significant rival. It seems, however, that some are taking it harder than others with the poor overall performance apparently signifying huge deficits in team effort, coaching ability (offense + defense), defensive scheme (okay, maybe...or maybe it's the players) and recruiting. That is far from an entirely comprehensive list as it seemed there were various unrelated complaints as well as irrational coaching comparisons (here's looking at you Bill Stewart and Paul Johnson). I would say enough with the ACC comparisons but I'm sure I'm biased.

Of course, it's mere weeks since we had beaten Notre Dame and were undefeated. Tate was the toast of the town (and the nation to some degree) apparently almost a Heisman Candidate. Denard was then a nice change of pace (although he wasn't allowed to throw back then) and people made posts that spoke about 9-3 being reasonably possible. Posts were made with the phrases "dare I say" and "New Year's day bowl game" in the same damn sentence. Indeed, on Friday there were posts predicting blowouts for Michigan. I guess if you type it enough then hope becomes reality?

So here we are following a loss to a highly rated and credible Penn State team. This follows much closer losses to the litte brother and at Iowa. Thematically, I see turnovers (5 vs. Iowa; 4 vs. PSU) and inconsistent play as the culprits. That and a serious inability to get the defense off the field. But really, are these issues including the defensive lapses coaching incompetency or is the cause of this wildly inconsistent play the fact that +/- 70 pecent of the players are freshmen and sophomores who lack the maturity, physical/mental toughness and deep season experience needed to win consistently at this level. The fact is this team has proven they can compete with good to very good teams (ND, little brother, Iowa) but they are very young and will have huge variance in performance. It seems the hot early start and ND win got the hopes a bit crazily high; regrettably, the fall back to earth (and reasonable 7-5 predictions) is painful and eliciting a lot of debateably considered analysis.

This leads me to consider the concept of "rational thought" and whether or not it can truly coexist with the "loyal Michigan fanbase". If fan is short for "fanatic" and someone who is marked by an extreme and unreasoning enthusiasm then we're not off to much of a good start. I will apologize to the ivory tower crowd on my take on philosophical matters (I'm a therapist) but I will go with the modern view on rationalism meaning here a reliance on reason as the best guide for belief or action. I wonder if, in the heat of the game and for about the next 36 hours, "rational thought" is suspended. When we win it's 9-3, OSU dominantion, wine and Rose Bowls and when we lose apparently Paul Johnson, Brian Kelly or hell most anyone else coaching should have been hired.

I'm nobody's apologist but perhaps some rational thought looks at the young players we have, an incoming top 10-15 class, an expectation of freshman/sophomore variance (Tate's a freshman and while Denard has perfected running the throwing is not so much), improvement in defensive performance statistically (hell it couldn't have been worse), Barwis, and it being GERG's first year (the guy is not a defensive Messiah...) and you can reasonably expect some improvement over the rest of the year with decreased performance variance next year (meaning here more wins). Variance does not equal regression people.

Michigan is not about to lose all our remaining games...but we sure as hell were not winning 10 after the ND game either. Perhaps rational thought can win out but I'm not holding out too much hope.

Best wishes to all of you.

Comments

tomhagan

October 26th, 2009 at 1:05 AM ^

Rational thought yes. Sloppy football for 18 out of the 20 games that the new staff has been in place...No. Sooner or later, enough of that will be enough. You can lay it on "young players" or "new systems" all day. The facts are that the other supposedly top coaches in the NCAA: Saban, Miles, Meyer, Carroll, Brown. Tressel etc. take about a year to get going but after that one marginal year... their teams do not play sloppy and do not beat themselves for the most part. Yes it happens, but on the whole those Well Coached teams play hard and do not beat themselves. Look at Iowa this year as a good example in the Big Ten. The funny thing is that those coaches play young players all the time as well...freshman QBs and other key positions. Hmmmmm..... At this point, it appears that the continuing of the dropped passes, fumbles, Ints, Blown coverages and assignments, Poor tackling and coverage angles, bad snaps, dropped snaps etc = the Rich Rod era... well it has has it not? I will put my credentials as a fan up against anyone here... I started going to games with my father at age 4 and have seen tons of Michigan football. Ive seen Bo's teams which rarely beat themselves and almost always were in the game no matter who they played. Ive seen it take a step down with the latter day Carr era, and a big step down these last 20 games. I support Rich Rod and want him to win at Michigan...BADLY... but I am not blind and I will call it like I see it: Sloppy Damned Football. You wanna talk about what is "rational" and what is not rational? Fine. I wanna talk about what has been going on during the games for the past year and a half. If that is not rational...what is actually happening repeatedly ON the field...the what is? And I still and always will be a Fan. Period.

mrjblock24

October 26th, 2009 at 3:15 AM ^

I'm with you Tom. We need to be willing to call it like it is, while still supporting the staff. I think we all want Rich Rodriguez to succeed for the sake of Michigan football. Our teams, while mostly young are littered with some very good veterans. I think the expectation of a football player, or any athlete for that matter, is that you don't beat yourself. In our three losses this season we haven't played our best football, and maybe except for the Penn State game we would have won if we had. I think that they're going to get it done, and these will just be bad memories in the future.

tomhagan

October 26th, 2009 at 5:18 AM ^

Exactly mrj...they probably were not going to win the PSU game... they are not good enough right now, and DClark is a solid veteran QB... However it is the way that they lost which is frustrating because it keeps happening. The Iowa and MSU games were pissed away and the Indiana game was almost pissed away on stupid plays and mental errors. Sooner or later, they must grow up. Getting beaten physically is one thing...but dumb mistakes over and over...well... what is the reason for that? Thats all Im sayin'. I sincerely do hope that this gets turned around and Rich Rod succeeds. I like the guy. I just dont like what has happened on the field and they way that they play which is sloppy. Like the great John Wooden of UCLA bball used to say to his team...just play your best and limit the mistakes...and the scoreboard will take care of itself.

bluebyyou

October 26th, 2009 at 7:56 AM ^

I saw it the same way. It is one thing to lose, it is another thing to lose ugly. The sloppy play which was so pervasive throughout last season seems to be back, although with Denard's passing, turnovers are to be expected, thus raising a question about coaching decisions. Maybe more time is needed to hone his passing skills, but I have my doubts. What I don't understand is why, when the run is working so well on the first series, do you change your approach? I'm not as sophisticated as some of you reading defenses, and perhaps PSU adjusted, but it seems to me that if something is working, you stick with it until your opposition stops you. Shove it down their throats until you can't. Perhaps I want too much too soon, but our true freshman starters have now played eight games. I'm sure a lot will be learned before the start of next season, but shouldn't there be improvement as the season goes on? I saw glimmers of hope in the losses to MSU and Iowa, but this time, the "spark" that had always been present just seemed to be absent.

Bill45

October 26th, 2009 at 9:50 AM ^

Comparisons of Rich Rod to Tressel, at least, are unfair. Concerning Tressel, At the eight game mark of this second year at OSU Tressel was 8-0 (15-5 overall) and on the verge of winning his first BCS championship. Rich Rod? 5-3 (thanks to his being the scourge of the MAC and DSU), amd 8-12 overall. They're laughing their a$$es off in Columbus.

tomhagan

October 26th, 2009 at 1:15 AM ^

Its not about cred vs. realistic opinions? OK then it is your "ivory towered" look at the Michigan fan base then isnt it? I dont care if you reach me or not. However it should be noted that my "cred" is historical and Ive never been one to jump the gun and overreact vs. a coaching staff. Historical cred though, leads to historical comparisons..... The facts are what is out there on the field: SLOPPY DAMNED FOOTBALL NEARLY EVERY GAME NO MATTER WHO THE OPPONENT IS (DIV I) What is the reason for that? That is what we should be talking about...not pointing fingers at each other and trying to tell others how to think and what to say.

VictorsValiant09

October 26th, 2009 at 1:33 AM ^

I agree with you, completely Tom. I was remarking about the game yesterday that, when watching Bo, you NEVER saw a sloppy, mistake-prone team. This 2009 (and 2008) team has been an undisciplined mess. Someone please inform me if that ever happened under Schembechler? He would not stand for this. If we're talking about rationalizing things, then I will be rational when I say that the people who are calling for Rod's firing are foolish. I still have much faith in him and his recruiting, as I do for the players on the field. But when you're 8 games into the season, these mental errors have got to stop, whether it's penalties, fumbles, interceptions, or just plain gaffes. They are the one major thing holding us back right now. Inevitably, the mistakes must lend some serious consideration by this team and its leaders, and a solution found--quickly.

A2toGVSU

October 26th, 2009 at 12:30 PM ^

"Coaches can't catch the ball for Koger" or Roundtree or Grady(19) EDIT: I forgot about Martell "Bricks for Hands" Webb or throw the ball for Denard and Tate or hang on to the ball for Denard or hang on to the ball for Carlos Brown Seriously, you can't blame fumbles/interceptions/dropped passes on the coaches. Time and time again, RR put in the right call, and a first down catch was dropped. Credit PSU's defense for stripping the football. Not one of those four turnovers were the coaches' fault. Interceptions happen with frosh QBs

M-Wolverine

October 26th, 2009 at 4:13 PM ^

"Seriously, you can't blame fumbles/interceptions/dropped passes on the coaches.." Funny, we always seemed to in the past... But seriously, uh, at some point, if they continue, you can. Because a coach's job is not only to call the plays on game day, but teach the players how to hold onto the ball, make good reads, and catch the ball. It's actually kinda a big part. Now with a team this young, are they solely to blame, or even mostly? TBD. But even Brian blames the coaches for one of the turnovers - having Denard throwing on 3rd & 9. I mean, when you throw almost as many INTs as completions, it might be seen as a possible result if you have him throw long again.

mjv

October 26th, 2009 at 11:19 AM ^

I guess that the 7 turnover special against Michigan State in 1987 didn't happen under Bo. Bo had far superior talent to all but one or two team on the schedule (OSU and ND). his teams were well drilled, but that did not prevent them from laying an enormous egg from time to time (MSU 1987, Minny 1986, pick your Rose Bowl). And when Bo was forced to play inexperienced QBs, the results on multiple occasions did not go well (6-6 in 1984 including a 26-0 loss at #18 Iowa and a home loss against an unranked MSU squad, home ties against unranked Baylor and Stanford teams in Rick Leach's freshman 1975 with a team that had gone 10-1 the year prior with the only blemish a 12-10 loss to OSU in Columbus). Teams play poorly from time to time, even one's with legendary coaches. And freshmen quarterbacks are inconsistent. Get over yourself and realize that this is a program that is still rebuilding.

matty blue

October 26th, 2009 at 12:03 PM ^

yeah, there are many, many examples of poor games - there was one lousy game after another in 1984, when (let's all say it together) the talent level wasn't that high and we had injuries. for all of our attention to history around here, historical PERSPECTIVE is sorely lacking among our fans. in many fans' heads, we were always undefeated under bo.

Durham Blue

October 26th, 2009 at 4:25 PM ^

Although I'd love to disagree with you, I cannot. We have played sloppy football the past couple games. I think Michigan would benefit BIG TIME if they simply relied mainly on the running game for the rest of the season. Yes, we've had a fumble each by Minor and Brown in the past two games, but I feel more comfortable with the ball in their hands than anyone else right now. The running game has been advancing the ball pretty consistently when given the opportunities. Just get back to the basics, get some confidence back in the offense to move the ball and score points. The younger guys desperately need a shot of confidence right now.

PurpleStuff

October 26th, 2009 at 2:59 AM ^

I think I'm in a unique position because I have been closely exposed to multiple fanbases at big time football schools (undergrad at UM and law school at USC from 2004-07 in their recent run of dominance). Everybody complaining about our team now sounds just like the dumbasses bitching on every SC message board about fumbles against Washington and "how come we can't win every damn game, Pete" despite the fact that they were a fucking abortion throughout the nineties (aside from the Keyshawn Rose Bowl win) and have been on basically the greatest run in the history of college football (though maybe FSU can argue that). Turns out, most fans don't know shit about football, but are happy to show up when you win. I can't wait for the day when RichRod brings all you mental midgets back into the fold and I have to pay a shitload more for tickets. Go Blue!

Ernis

October 26th, 2009 at 7:20 AM ^

Just like the fanatics expect 100% performance, always maxing out potential, despite the youth and inexperience of the team... I expect the fanatics to have 100% understanding of the process of making a football team, despite their evident lack of understanding. Seems fair, yes?

BILG

October 26th, 2009 at 7:22 AM ^

Yes, it sucked, but when you lose the turnover battle 4-0 it tends to skew the final score. Sloppy...yeah, did you see the weather? These are freshmen and sophomores...leading a team that was 3-9 last year. Hanging in with both Iowa and Sparty on the road despite the poor play and with a bunch of young players should prove to the fanbase that this team is not that far away. I said it last year when we were 3-9....We easily could have been 6-6. And I will say it this year when we are 9-3 :)...or 7-5, we could have won 2 more games this year. That is what experience does....helps teams not make stupid mistakes in close games. The smallest things can win games, a down here, a penalty there can swing the whole game. PSU kicked our ass, and then we proceeded bend over and allow them to kick it some more with all the turnovers and blown defensive assignments....This is a sign of inexperience, and just a shitty game. Sometimes you just have bad games. Arkansas nearly beating Florida, and UT nearly beating Alabama, and USC losing to Washington proves that all teams can get beat. Now, when you have primarily frosh and soph players, and arent really favored going in to the game(PSU, MSU, Iowa) and proceed to lose, complaining is quite irrational. Every team has that 1 or 2 games a year where they are just off a beat. Great, experienced, teams often overcome these games by simply being superior, or often need some luck (See UF and Bama this year) Ours shit game was Saturday. Add in the fact that they are young and played a quality opponent, and its not that big a surprise that this one was our clunker.

BlockM

October 26th, 2009 at 7:55 AM ^

I don't think "rational" and "fan base" go together regardless of the team. The whole idea is that you're a fanatic, which means you're almost completely biased towards anything that will help your team win, and against anything that will make them lose.

chitownblue2

October 26th, 2009 at 8:50 AM ^

I just wonder if people like Tom Hagan expected last year's issues to be suddenly washed away despite having nearly precisely the same exact personell. Our offense turned over 1 player from last year's team. Our defense turned over some of the only effective players on the unit (Taylor, Jamison, Johnson, Harrison). You need to put this team in context of last year. 3-9 doesn't become 10-2. It just doesn't. We're going to win 6-8 games this year. That's more than a 100% improvement for this team. Last year we sucked. Now, we're stopping at "mediocrity". The trajectory is still up.

StephenRKass

October 26th, 2009 at 10:26 AM ^

I just can't afford the time to read all the posts. However, in the quick scanning I've done, there is one factor that I haven't seen or noticed in the aftermath of the loss: the 3rd DC in 3 years. I still want to see what the next two years bring. It struck me against Iowa that their defense and their schemes have been very stable. Actually, very similar comments were made somewhere last week (Coach Schiano?) about Penn State. When the system and schemes are in place, I expect to see a much higher level of performance. I also expect that when the system is in place, with experienced and skilled players, you will see a much greater ability to absorb the occasional freshman.

M-Wolverine

October 26th, 2009 at 4:21 PM ^

I think part of where they're coming from is that some think the team really shouldn't have been 3-9 last year. That was supposed to be the year of mediocrity. Because no way should you lose to that Toledo team, ever, and most all of the other Big Ten teams STILL would have traded talent with our team. The other bad losses were Purdue and Northwestern, which makes you a 5 or 6 win team LAST year. And yes, the quarterbacking sucked, but points weren't the problem against Purdue. So really, people aren't thinking it's unreasonable to go from 3 to 7, but that a team that should have won 5 or 6 should improve to 8 or 9, at the same scale. And 8 is probably still reachable, if not probable. At least that's my interpretation.

BoyBlue

October 26th, 2009 at 10:03 AM ^

I don't think "rationality" and loyal Michigan fanbase can ever coexist. I was at the game this Saturday for my first Rich Rod era experience and the grumbling amongst the fans was excessive. Everyone in the stadium hates the play-calling all the time. As a high school football coach (I know it isn't the same as being a coach at U of M) it amazes me how many people think they can do the job. The truth is these coaches spend an incredible amount of time with these players put them in what they think is the best position for them to be successful. They know the player's ability more than any fan does. What I saw Saturday was a UM offensive line (who sorely misses Molk) that got beat up a bit by a better than advertised Penn State D-line and UM's paper thin secondary get shredded by the returning first team all Big 10 quarterback. Sometimes a coach can call the perfect play and opposing talent can and will trump that call. Regarding the "sloppiness" and turnovers: it is a residual effect of an aggressive offense with young players. It is possible that we wouldn't turn the ball over so much if we had Denard under center and we ran zone left Debord style. But we all saw how much of a waste of talent that can offense can be. We lost at home to what could be a top-ten team by the end of the year. Deal with it, and know that a 7-5/8-4 record means growth.

Seth

October 26th, 2009 at 10:08 AM ^

I believe "Fan" comes from "Fancy" not "Fanatic," as in "It is these gridiron Wolverines of Michigan whom I most fancy." By that rationale, the origin of the word to describe fans works against your argument that the description of "fan" connotes irrationality. "Fancy," in such usage actually connotes a somewhat reasonable, if favorable, relationship with the subject, such that you may be delighted by the team. However, when dealing with a term that has been used as such for over a century, initial meanings don't say much. A "Michigan fan"'s relationship with Michigan football today is most often far beyond that of simple fancy. Except this: there is nothing historic or traditional about passion for a sports team coming near obsession. Such obsession is a modern development, spurred by the sports' own marketing of fandom as something that requires much more than liking the team. That said, this was the first time all year that Michigan was subjected to an ass-whooping. Considering all the cracks, I guess an ass-whooping had to come sooner or later, though following essentially a bye week seemed like an awful time to have it. Consider this: in the 2009 season you have now been subjected to one bad game. By this point last year, we were 2-6 and coming off that MSU loss, having already digested Toledo et al. This loss was very dispiriting, but the season is hardly over, and pre-season expectations are still on target. Kudos to Penn State, who played a hell of a football game. They won that more than we lost it.

victors2000

October 26th, 2009 at 10:20 AM ^

Clarkie I appreciate the write up and the time it took to get it together, thanks! I think rational thought and the 'loyal Michigan fanbase' can mix; if you designed a 'Venn diagram' there would be some bisection, but even then I'm sure it would appear more possible than probable. And that would be after a win; after a loss, the bisectedness would be far less. Any definition of "fan" should include a sense of 'irrationality', afterall, is it rational to pour your heart and soul into a football team? With that in mind, Dude, after that loss I was dismayed. Dis-effin'-maid! I couldn't of been more dis-effin'-maid had I been a soldier in the Continental army during the Revolutionary War that evacuated Long Island under cover of night and got beat down all the way to the Delaware river. I did not expect that; that was week 8 and game preparation had been preceeded by other practices and games and lessons learned. I knew there was a strong chance Penn St. could rise up and beat us, but I thought it less of a chance that we would fall down and beat ourselves. I'm still 'All in', no thought of dissention, but I really thought we had left that kind of play behind. As for not losing all the remaining games...I guess that's where my dismay comes into play. A small improvement over last Saturday would not be enough to win one of the remaining four games. The fellas really need to nail down the execution as well as stop turning the ball over. It is not going to be a picnic in Champaign or at Wisky, nor will Purdue or OSU not bring their "A" game. Coach Rod stated they will win games when the team deserves to win; I'm thinking there was more to that statement then some novel way of saying we will win eventually.

jsquigg

October 26th, 2009 at 10:59 AM ^

I want Michigan to win every week as badly as anyone, but jumping to criticism and "fire the coach" campaigns is ridiculous. I do think there are times where the coaching staff makes bad decisions, but no decision is ever free from the risk of being second guessed. I can't complain about the play calling for the most part, the main problem has been execution. Anyone who has said that this team has been playing below full effort is mistaken IMO. Even against Penn State they kept playing until the end. There has been considerable improvement from last year, and there is still ample opportunity to have a good year. The weather shouldn't be an excuse for bad play and hopefully we can finish the year strong. If we make a similar jump next year we will be on the right track. The only legitimate concern I have moving forward is the defense and defensive recruiting but I have confidence in GERG and the recruiting staff to get the job done. As Michigan fans we need to temper our frustrations with patience. You don't go from 3-9 to BCS bid without a few bumps in the road. Given what Rodriguez inherited added to the complex system he runs we should expect to see a few more bumps in the road. Like last year I will continue to support the team come what may.

Slinginsam

October 26th, 2009 at 11:32 AM ^

I want RR to succeed as much as everyone else here. But, who's fault was that safety? RR! The score was 10-7, third and very long from the 1 foot line. It is misting rain, the field is slick, and PSU is stacking the LOS. You have a backup center, and a frosh QB who is playing horribly. Either have the QB line up right under center, and fall forward, then punt....or, put Mesko in on third down and punt the damn ball. You had the wind at your back. He should be able to reach midfield with his leg. What the hell did RR think he would accomplish with one more shotgun snap? That one play put UM on the slippery slope downward. The team freaked after the safety. Terrible coaching decision.

joeyb

October 26th, 2009 at 1:44 PM ^

First of all, our backup center had started more games than our "Starting center" before the start of this game. Second, a punter lines up 15 yards behind center, if you are inside your 5 yardline, you are risking a blocked punt which can result in 2 OR 7 points. The correct call would be to try to get 5 yards so that you can comfortably punt the ball away.

BostonWolverine

October 26th, 2009 at 9:40 PM ^

You should be announcing for the Big Ten Network with that crap. You don't fall forward, you ABSOLUTELY don't put in Mesko on 3rd down. It was a failure of execution, not coaching. It was a miscommunication between center and QB, and it should've been fine. For all we know, it was gonna be a hitch to Mathews or something, and we would've had 4th and 7 from the 9. Or maybe he breaks a tackle out to the 18. Putting him under center is a bad move because he hadn't found a rhythm and putting him in a deep drop from under center makes him vulnerable to a pass rush that was getting good penetration, especially considering it was our backup center. Then Tate would do his running around thing trying to make a play and it's distinctly possible he gets sacked for a safety just the same or he gets intercepted. There are tons of possible outcomes on every play. Once it's called, it's the players' job to get the best possible one for their team. That didn't happen here. Period.

Blue in Seattle

October 26th, 2009 at 11:44 AM ^

no seriously, I thought you were being sarcastic at first, but 5 minutes on wikipedia and I learn that in a certain way "fan" did come from fancy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_(person)#Etymology but no matter whether Michigan Fans are fanatical or just find that Michigan Football strikes their fancy, I think the basis of the discussion that many people voicing their opinion are doing so from an emotional basis and not from rational thought.

Kevin Holtsberry

October 26th, 2009 at 11:57 AM ^

We are not talking science for the most part but differing definitions of what is reasonable, etc. Heck, most of the time it is hard to agree on basic facts. Given this, however, I think there is always a huge chunk of fandom who are more emotionally attached and engaged in cheering their team than they are rationally or logically setting expectations and reacting to wins and losses. I also think there has been a lot of polarized arguments here in reaction to Saturday's game. A lot of people upset not so much that Michigan lost but that it was so ugly. A lot of people pushing back against over-reaction by saying that Michigan is exactly where any rational person thought they were going to be - better but still not all that good. I am in between those two poles. I don't think the program is in trouble or that RR is an idiot but I also think the game was a step back and a troubling potential indicator in the short term. If Michigan smacks Illinois around then I will chalk up Saturday to a bad day and feel better about a bowl game. If we struggle against Illinois or lose then I will be forced to wonder about another losing season and what that means for the future. You can be rational and still disagree about what constitutes progress and what are reasonable expectations.

Tater

October 27th, 2009 at 12:19 AM ^

It's still possible until they lose a fourth game. At any rate, UM can get to nine wins by TCB against Ill and Purdue, splitting against Wisky and OSU, and winning what should be a friendly bowl game, considering that the SEC should probably get two BCS berths to the Big Ten's one again. 8-5 or 9-4 counting the bowl would still be a great year, considering that even a lot of UM fans seemed to have them at 5-7 or 6-6 at the beginning of the season. Why are so many UM fans getting so riled up over losing to PSU? PSU is still an elite team; it's not like UM lost this badly to a mediocre or bottom-feeding team. IT WAS ONLY ONE FUCKING GAME!!!!!!!!! Maybe we should put those shovels down until we see if they TCB the next two games. This begs a rather obvious question: If UM does TCB the next two games to go into Wisky at 7-3, will the media and fanbase be optimistic again? Will they be optimistic that UM can pull off at least one upset the last two games? I just hope Forcier's PCS symptoms and shoulder have improved by the OSU game. It would be great if UM could be close to full strength when they play the Big Game.

WanderingWolve

October 27th, 2009 at 11:18 AM ^

Why are people upset? Because expectations change once the season starts. Someone pointed out here before that before the baseball season Tigers fans wanted them to be able to sniff the playoffs come September. That changed around mid-season when they were leading the division. People are freaking because we started 4-0 and then went 1-3 over the last 4. I'm not in any way, shape, or form defending them but giving the reason (maybe). I think we were all nervous before the Western game until Tate orchestrated that great opening drive. He's shown he will be a great QB but then we're reminded he and Denard are still frosh. I'm with you, I wish we would chill and enjoy the ride. I think we finish regular season 8-4, maybe 7-5. I think we'll win the next two, which beating Illi would be a good win despite their record. I don't know about some of you but it's getting frustrating to read all of the people who now think RichRod is an idiot and these QB's aren't as good as we thought they would be. Now Robinson is a shaky D-coordinator (even though he's the 3rd one in 3 years!) not that our LB's and DB's (save Warren) aren't that good.

Elno Lewis

October 27th, 2009 at 9:08 AM ^

please make a distiniction between a 'loyal' michigan fan and those assholes who purport to be as such but are actually obsessive morans who have no life. and remember

3rdGenerationBlue

October 27th, 2009 at 10:40 AM ^

An interesting result of the past season and half has been a re-baselining of my expectations. I used to have (unrealistically) high expectations going into every season and would have my hopes and dreams for a trip to the National Championship game crushed usually with an early season loss. This was particularly true in 2007 with the senior talent but we know how that story ended... Now I approach the season and every game with a completely different mind set. I don't expect victory in every game but want to see progress and promise for future success. I'll tell you it makes for a much more enjoyable post game experience even when Michigan loses. The game against PSU was probably the worst of the season yet I still saw reason for optimism....Koger will make some of those catches in the future, Tate & Denard should make steady improvement in their reads, and the coaches will make adjustments. I have to give credit to Brian and the MGoBlog community for giving a broader perspective and deeper understanding of schemes and play calling as well. I sat in front of a guy at the PSU game that complained after EVERY play. He freaked after Tate was sacked at one point and I finally turned around and calmly explained that the defense deserved credit for calling a blitz and slanting in the right direction. He knocked it off for a play or two but went right back to it after a dropped pass. Unfortunately there is a bell curve in every population and we will never get rid of the percentage of people that fall in the idiot section of the curve.