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Big Ten Recruiting Rankings: 9-30-12
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Not a whole lot going in the recruiting world over the past couple weeks, but there is a new addition to the big board: the "POINTS" column, which is simply the product of number of commits times star average. Hopefully this adds a little more clarity to the rankings; as you can see below, Michigan and Notre Dame are well ahead of the field and Ohio State has some separation from the pack at large. Then there's Minnesota. Never change, Gophers. Changes since the last rankings:
9-11-12: Indiana picks up Jordan Heiderman.
9-19-12: Penn State picks up Kasey Gaines.
9-20-12: Ohio State picks up Tyquan Lewis.
9-22-12: Indiana picks up Anthony Young.
9-23-12: Notre Dame picks up Torii Hunter Jr.
9-25-12: Penn State picks up Tanner Hartman.
Chart? Chart:
| Big Ten+ Recruiting Class Rankings | ||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Rank | School | # Commits | Rivals Avg | Scout Avg | 24/7 Avg | ESPN Avg | Avg Avg^ | POINTS |
| 1 | Michigan | 23 | 3.61 | 3.87 | 3.74 | 3.70 | 3.73 | 85.75 |
| 2 | Notre Dame | 21 | 3.62 | 3.81 | 3.81 | 3.81 | 3.76 | 79.00 |
| 3 | Ohio State | 17 | 3.65 | 3.65 | 3.65 | 3.76 | 3.68 | 62.50 |
| 4 | Illinois | 18 | 2.89 | 2.78 | 2.56 | 3.06 | 2.82 | 50.75 |
| 5 | Northwestern | 17 | 2.88 | 2.94 | 2.88 | 3.06 | 2.94 | 50.00 |
| 6 | Iowa | 16 | 3.06 | 2.88 | 3.13 | 3.06 | 3.03 | 48.50 |
| 7 | Nebraska | 14 | 3.14 | 3.36 | 3.36 | 3.21 | 3.27 | 45.75 |
| 8 | Wisconsin | 14 | 3.14 | 3.00 | 3.00 | 3.21 | 3.09 | 43.25 |
| 9 | Michigan State | 13 | 3.00 | 3.08 | 3.00 | 3.23 | 3.11 | 40.50 |
| 10 | Penn State | 11 | 3.09 | 3.00 | 3.27 | 3.36 | 3.18 | 35.00 |
| 11 | Purdue | 11 | 2.91 | 2.45 | 2.55 | 2.82 | 2.68 | 29.50 |
| 12 | Indiana | 11 | 2.73 | 2.64 | 2.64 | 2.64 | 2.67 | 29.33 |
| 13 | Minnesota | 6 | 2.50 | 2.33 | 2.67 | 2.83 | 2.58 | 15.50 |
^The average of the average rankings of the four recruiting services (the previous four columns). The figure is calculated based on the raw numbers and then rounded, so the numbers above may not average out exactly.
NOTE: Unranked recruits are counted as two-star players.
To eliminate any confusion about how the rankings are determined (to be honest, they used to be arbitrary), team order is determined by multiplying the number of commits by star average.
On to the full data after the jump.
| #1 Michigan - 23 Commits | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | 24/7 | ESPN |
| Shane Morris | QB | MI | 5 | 5 | 5 | 4 |
| Patrick Kugler | OL | PA | 4 | 5 | 4 | 4 |
| Dymonte Thomas | S | OH | 4 | 5 | 4 | 4 |
| Kyle Bosch | OL | IL | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Taco Charlton | DE | OH | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| David Dawson | OL | MI | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Chris Fox | OL | CO | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Ben Gedeon | LB | OH | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Jourdan Lewis | CB | MI | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Mike McCray | LB | OH | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Henry Poggi | DT | MD | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Logan Tuley-Tillman | OL | IL | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Wyatt Shallman | ATH | MI | 4 | 4 | 4 | 3 |
| Jake Butt | TE | OH | 4 | 4 | 3 | 4 |
| Ross Douglas | CB | OH | 4 | 3 | 4 | 4 |
| Gareon Conley | CB | OH | 3 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| DeVeon Smith | RB | OH | 3 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Maurice Hurst Jr. | DT | MA | 3 | 4 | 4 | 3 |
| Jaron Dukes | WR | OH | 3 | 4 | 3 | 4 |
| Khalid Hill | TE | MI | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Csont'e York | WR | MI | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Channing Stribling | CB | NC | 2 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Scott Sypniewski | LS | IL | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
No change for the Wolverines.
| #2 Notre Dame - 21 Commits | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | 24/7 | ESPN |
| Jaylon Smith | LB | IN | 5 | 5 | 5 | 4 |
| Alex Anzalone | LB | PA | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Hunter Bivin | OL | KY | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Steven Elmer | OL | MI | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Mike Heuerman | TE | FL | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Mike McGlinchey | OL | PA | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| John Montelus | OL | MA | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Isaac Rochell | DE | GA | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Malik Zaire | QB | OH | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| William Fuller | WR | PA | 4 | 4 | 3 | 3 |
| Torii Hunter Jr. | WR | TX | 4 | 3 | 4 | 4 |
| Doug Randolph | LB | VA | 4 | 3 | 4 | 4 |
| Jamel James | RB | TX | 3 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Colin McGovern | OL | IL | 3 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Jacob Matuska | DE | OH | 3 | 4 | 4 | 3 |
| James Onwualu | WR | MN | 3 | 4 | 3 | 4 |
| Danny Mattingly | TE | WA | 3 | 4 | 3 | 3 |
| Corey Robinson | WR | TX | 3 | 4 | 3 | 3 |
| Rashad Kinlaw | ATH | NJ | 3 | 3 | 4 | 4 |
| Devin Butler | CB | DC | 3 | 3 | 4 | 4 |
| Michael Deeb | LB | FL | 3 | 3 | 3 | 4 |
The Irish gain a commitment from TX WR Torii Hunter Jr., son of the Los Angeles Angels outfielder.
| #3 Ohio State - 17 Commits | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | 24/7 | ESPN |
| Jalin Marshall | ATH | OH | 4 | 5 | 4 | 4 |
| Joey Bosa | DE | FL | 4 | 5 | 4 | 4 |
| Eli Woodard | CB | NJ | 4 | 4 | 4 | 5 |
| J.T. Barrett | QB | TX | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Marcus Baugh | TE | CA | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Cameron Burrows | CB | OH | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Michael Hill | DT | SC | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Evan Lisle | OL | OH | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Billy Price | DT | OH | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Ezekiel Elliott | RB | MO | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Jayme Thompson | S | OH | 4 | 3 | 4 | 4 |
| Tyquan Lewis | DE | NC | 4 | 3 | 4 | 3 |
| Taivon Jacobs | WR | MD | 3 | 3 | 3 | 4 |
| Darron Lee | ATH | OH | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Tracy Sprinkle | DE | OH | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Tim Gardner | OL | IN | 3 | 2 | 3 | 3 |
| Johnny Townsend | P | FL | 2 | 3 | 2 | 3 |
The Buckeyes pick up NC DE Tyquan Lewis.
| #4 Illinois - 18 Commits | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | 24/7 | ESPN |
| Aaron Bailey | QB | IL | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Caleb Day | CB | OH | 4 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Darius Mosely | CB | IL | 3 | 3 | 3 | 4 |
| Jarrod Clements | DE | OH | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Reon Dawson | CB | OH | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Christian DiLauro | TE | OH | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Merrick Jackson | DT | IL | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Reggie Spearman | LB | IL | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Dillan Cazley | CB | IL | 3 | 3 | 2 | 3 |
| Bryce Douglas | DT | IL | 3 | 3 | 2 | 3 |
| Kendrick Foster | RB | IL | 3 | 3 | 2 | 3 |
| Joshua Jones | S | MI | 3 | 3 | 2 | 3 |
| Darwyn Kelly | S | DC | 3 | 2 | NR | 3 |
| Dawuane Smoot | DE | OH | 3 | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| Jesse Chadwell | OL | MI | 2 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Austin Schmidt | OL | OH | 2 | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| Martize Barr | WR | IA | 2 | 2 | 2 | JC |
| Miguel Hermosillo | ATH | IL | NR | 2 | NR | 3 |
Martize Barr earns two stars from Scout.
| #5 Northwestern - 17 Commits | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | 24/7 | ESPN |
| Matt Alviti | QB | IL | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Tyler Lancaster | OL | IL | 3 | 3 | 4 | 3 |
| Godwin Igwebuike | ATH | OH | 3 | 3 | 3 | 4 |
| Sam Coverdale | OL | OH | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Matt Harris | WR | IL | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Blake King | OL | IL | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Brad North | OL | TX | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Kyle Queiro | ATH | NJ | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Anthony Walker Jr. | LB | FL | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Brett Walsh | LB | CA | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Keith Watkins | RB | OH | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Eric Joraskie | DE | PA | 3 | 3 | 2 | 3 |
| Warren Miles-Long | RB | CA | 3 | 3 | 2 | 3 |
| Macan Wilson | WR | TX | 3 | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| Jayme Taylor | TE | TX | 2 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Xavier Menifield | RB | CA | 2 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Hunter Miswander | K | OH | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
Matt Harris, Brett Walsh, Jayme Taylor, and Xavier Menifield all go from two to three stars on Scout. As a result, the Wildcats barely edge in front of Iowa for the #5 spot on the board.
| #6 Iowa - 16 Commits | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | 24/7 | ESPN |
| David Kenney | DE | IN | 4 | 4 | 3 | 4 |
| Delano Hill | S | MI | 4 | 3 | 4 | 3 |
| Jon Wisnieski | TE | IA | 3 | 3 | 3 | 4 |
| Nathan Bazata | DT | NE | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Colin Goebel | OL | IL | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Brant Gressel | DT | OH | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| John Kenny | LB | IN | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Derrick Mitchell Jr. | S | MO | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Malik Rucker | S | MN | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Nic Shimonek | QB | TX | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Solomon Warfield | S | OH | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Sean Welsh | OL | OH | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Derrick Willies | WR | IL | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Trevon Young | LB | IA | 3 | 2 | 4 | 3 |
| Ike Boettger | TE | IA | 2 | 2 | 3 | 2 |
| Andre Harris | ATH | MO | 3 | 2 | 3 | 3 |
Nathan Bazata and Nic Shimonek are each bumped from two to three stars on Scout.
| #7 Nebraska - 14 Commits | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | 24/7 | ESPN |
| Marcus McWilson | S | OH | 4 | 4 | 4 | 3 |
| Josh Banderas | LB | NE | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Marcus Newby | LB | MD | 4 | 3 | 4 | 4 |
| Johnny Stanton | QB | CA | 3 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Christian Lacouture | DE | TX | 3 | 4 | 4 | 3 |
| A.J. Natter | DE | WI | 3 | 4 | 3 | 3 |
| Dan Samuelson | OL | IN | 3 | 4 | 3 | 3 |
| Courtney Love | LB | OH | 3 | 3 | 4 | 4 |
| Jonathan Cook | CB | AL | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Nathan Gerry | S | SD | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Kevin Gladney | WR | OH | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Zach Hannon | OL | MO | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Greg Hart | TE | OH | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Gabriel Miller | LS | IN | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
No change for the Huskers.
| #8 Wisconsin - 14 Commits | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | 24/7 | ESPN |
| Darius Latham | DT | IN | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Chikwe Obasih | DE | WI | 4 | 3 | 4 | 3 |
| Keelon Brookins | CB | MN | 4 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Rob Wheelwright | WR | OH | 3 | 4 | 3 | 3 |
| Austin Ramesh | ATH | WI | 3 | 3 | 4 | 3 |
| Garret Dooley | LB | IL | 3 | 3 | 3 | 4 |
| Alec James | DE | WI | 3 | 3 | 3 | 4 |
| Jack Keeler | OL | IL | 3 | 3 | 3 | 4 |
| Hayden Biegel | OL | WI | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Matt Miller | OL | OH | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| T.J. Watt | ATH | WI | 3 | 3 | 3 | NR |
| Sam Raridon | DT | IA | 3 | 3 | NR | 3 |
| Jazz Peavy | WR | WI | 3 | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| Troy Fumagalli | TE | IL | NR | 2 | NR | 3 |
The Badgers add IL TE Troy Fumagalli.
| #9 Michigan State - 13 Commits | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | 24/7 | ESPN |
| Jon Reschke | LB | MI | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Shane Jones | LB | OH | 4 | 3 | 3 | 4 |
| Damion Terry | QB | PA | 3 | 4 | 3 | 4 |
| Darian Hicks | CB | OH | 3 | 3 | 4 | 3 |
| Dennis Finley | OL | MI | 3 | 3 | 3 | 4 |
| Jalyn Powell | S | OH | 3 | 3 | 3 | 4 |
| Demetrius Cooper | DE | IL | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Gerald Holmes | RB | MI | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| R.J. Shelton | RB | WI | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Trey Kilgore | WR | OH | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Devyn Salmon | DT | FL | 3 | 3 | 2 | 3 |
| Jay Harris | WR | PA | 2 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Dylan Chmura | TE | WI | 3 | 2 | 2 | NR |
Devyn Salmon picks up a three-star rating from Scout.
| #10 Penn State - 11 Commits | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | 24/7 | ESPN |
| Adam Breneman | TE | PA | 4 | 5 | 4 | 4 |
| Christian Hackenberg | QB | VA | 4 | 4 | 5 | 4 |
| Garrett Sickels | DE | NJ | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 |
| Brendan Mahon | OL | NJ | 4 | 3 | 3 | 4 |
| Andrew Nelson | OL | PA | 3 | 3 | 3 | 4 |
| Brandon Bell | LB | NJ | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Curtis Cothran | DE | NJ | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Neiko Robinson | S | FL | 3 | 2 | 3 | 3 |
| Tanner Hartman | OL | VA | 2 | 2 | 3 | 2 |
| Jordan Smith | CB | DC | 2 | 2 | NR | 3 |
| Kasey Gaines | S | GA | NR | 2 | 3 | 3 |
The Nittany Lions add VA OL Tanner Hartman and GA S Kasey Gaines.
| #11 Purdue - 11 Commits | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | 24/7 | ESPN |
| Danny Etling | QB | IN | 4 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Keyante Green | RB | GA | 3 | 3 | 3 | 4 |
| Randy Gregory | DE | AZ | 3 | 3 | 3 | JC |
| Austin Logan | S | FL | 3 | 3 | 2 | 3 |
| Johnny Thompson | DE | GA | 3 | 3 | NR | 2 |
| Dwayne Johnson | OL | IL | 3 | 2 | 3 | 3 |
| David Yancey | RB | IN | 3 | 2 | 3 | 3 |
| Jake Replogle | DE | OH | 3 | 2 | 2 | 3 |
| John Strauser | DE | IL | 3 | 2 | NR | 3 |
| Parker Cothren | DE | AL | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Myles Norwood | WR | TX | 2 | NR | 3 | 3 |
No change for the Boilermakers.
| #12 Indiana - 11 Commits | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | 24/7 | ESPN |
| Antonio Allen | S | IN | 4 | 4 | 3 | 4 |
| Danny Friend | TE | IL | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Chase Dutra | S | IN | 3 | 3 | 3 | 2 |
| Isaac Griffith | WR | IN | 3 | 2 | 3 | 3 |
| Evan Jansen | TE | OH | 3 | 2 | 3 | 3 |
| Demetrius Hill | DT | KS | 3 | 3 | 3 | JC |
| Patrick Dougherty | DE | OH | 3 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
| Anthony Young | WR | OH | 2 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Jacobi Hunter | DT | TX | 2 | 3 | 2 | 3 |
| Myles Graham | RB | FL | 2 | 2 | NR | 2 |
| Jordan Heiderman | DT | IA | NR | 2 | 2 | JC |
The Hoosiers land OH WR Anthony Young and JuCo IA DT Jordan Heiderman. The margin is about as close as it gets between in-state rivals Indiana and Purdue for... 11th place.
| #13 Minnesota - 6 Commits | ||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | 24/7 | ESPN |
| Alex Mayes | OL | TX | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Owen Salzwedel | DE | WI | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
| Jordan Hinojosa | DT | KS | 3 | 2 | NR | JC |
| Chris Wipson | LB | MN | 2 | 2 | 3 | 3 |
| Chris Streveler | QB | IL | 2 | 2 | 3 | 3 |
| Jalen Myrick | CB | GA | 2 | 2 | NR | 3 |
No change for the Gophers. GopherQuest: Recruiting Edition is alive and well.
September 30th, 2012 at 12:24 PM | 
Iowa doesn't have one RB
Iowa doesn't have one RB
September 30th, 2012 at 2:42 PM |
I heard they are just
I heard they are just
I heard they are just removing the RB position from there offense.
“When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing” - Bo Schembechler
September 30th, 2012 at 7:56 PM |
I hear they're working on a solution
I hear they're working on a solution
We don't know if his knees will hold up, but at least the limiting factor is a warranty, not eligibility. They'll take the (conditional limited) 90 days* over whatever they've got now.
*Offer not valid in Iowa
September 30th, 2012 at 12:28 PM |
Time to drop ND from these
Time to drop ND from these
Time to drop ND from these rankings.
September 30th, 2012 at 1:38 PM |
Was just about to post the same
Was just about to post the same
Was just about to post the same. To hell with Notre Dame.
September 30th, 2012 at 3:44 PM |
Meh
Meh
Not yet. We don't stop playing these guys for a few more years. And anyways they're one of the good barometers for how well we're recruiting the midwest.
But yea to hell with them.
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." -Evelyn Beatrice Hall
October 1st, 2012 at 12:07 AM |
I think your second point is what's important.
I think your second point is what's important.
They might be playing less games with us, but ND isn't going to stop recruiting the midwest and going after the same type of guys from California, Florida, Texas, whatever, that we are. I don't have the numbers for this, but I would venture a guess that we go head to head with ND for more recruits than about half the Big Ten. When is the last time we were in a heated battle for recruits with Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, Purdue, IU or Northwestern? I can say it definitely happens with ND all the time.
Go Blue!
October 1st, 2012 at 11:44 AM |
Wisconsin gets a couple guys
Wisconsin gets a couple guys
Wisconsin gets a couple guys we're after just about every year.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:57 AM |
Magnus, you're someone who would know.
Magnus, you're someone who would know.
How many guys would you say have some of the other Big Ten schools (maybe replace Wisconsin with Illinois?) in their top five or ten with M, compared to how many have ND and M? Some kind of guess would be just fine, I'm not looking for a scientific study or anything.
I'd assume we get into top five (or ten or eight, whatever) lists with Ohio State and Michigan State most often, and then ND after that. Like I said, though, I don't have any numbers to back that up.
Go Blue!
October 1st, 2012 at 12:33 PM |
In their top five, I would
In their top five, I would
In their top five, I would say that only a small chunk, maybe 10%, of guys Michigan recruits have Northwestern, Purdue, Minnesota, etc. in their top five. It's tough to put an exact number on, but Michigan always loses a couple guys to those schools each year (Ifeadi Odenigbo to Northwestern, Jonah Pirsig to Minnesota, Ricardo Allen to Purdue, etc.).
September 30th, 2012 at 1:54 PM |
Addition to All-Name Team?
Addition to All-Name Team?
Northwestern's adding a kicker named Hunter Miswander? Probably not as tough as being named Hunter DeCrosse-Barr or Slippen Myzkikket or Wyatt Levdt.
September 30th, 2012 at 1:57 PM |
Hmmmmmmm...
Hmmmmmmm...
First Penn State takes an unranked player whose best offer is Harvard...okay...but I do not approve of them taking an offensive lineman recruit from his next best offer at Temple.
If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone
September 30th, 2012 at 2:09 PM |
It bothers me....
It bothers me....
immensely to see Ohio continue to bring in those high quality d linemen. Our future o-line will dominate, but it looks like they have the potential to eventually field a bad-ass two-deep d-line. I don't know if enough can be said about a strong front seven. We shall see I suppose....
September 30th, 2012 at 6:13 PM |
not at all surprising
not at all surprising
Meyer knows that the easiest way to build a dominant team is to bring in the SEC model of defensive line play. I would honestly like to see Hoke do the same thing.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:20 PM |
Hoke and D-line
Hoke and D-line
I'd be *very* surprised if Hoke doesn't have a strong intuitive grasp of the importance of D-line play. I'm sure he has the same goals as Meyer.
Toss Mattison in there, too -- he's a bright guy who saw that action up close in the SEC for a few years.
Why not mention Montgomery, too? I'm sure he, as well, understands what works.
Understanding is one thing ... getting the recruits is another. We'll see how that works out ...
"..."
September 30th, 2012 at 9:38 PM |
Not a reference to our future d-line
Not a reference to our future d-line
I didn't intend to express concern over our future d-line. I agree that Hoke and company will create a monster d-line themselves. In fact, although we also have top-notch kids coming in, I beleive this staff could do as much with recruits that may not recieve many of the somewhat-overrated service endorsements (see 2005-06 Gator d-line of which Mattison was a part). That, however, says nothing with respect to what appears to be a nasty, growing collection of d-linemen in Ohio. Again, our incoming o-line is equally laudable, and will be equal to the task; but, to state the obvious a stable of fresh d-linemen with little to no drop-off in talent can really be a bitch to deal with.
September 30th, 2012 at 9:44 PM |
aim
aim
Agree with all points ... I was aiming at the post beneath yours.
"..."
October 1st, 2012 at 12:05 AM |
You are correct sir,
You are correct sir,
I indeed missed. Apologies.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:26 AM |
Mattison built those D-lines
Mattison built those D-lines
Mattison built those D-lines; I think Hoke's got this.
I will fucking cunt punt the next person I hear about doing something like that, and I don't give a fuck if you SOR me, I WILL FUCKING ASSAULT YOU.
September 30th, 2012 at 2:45 PM |
Three Things:
Three Things:
Will this be the last year we follow ND recruiting since they filed for divorce? Recruit competition is all that matters now.
Also, shouldn't Iowa be going after every RB recruit with a pulse?
Lastly, shouldn't Josh Banderas be ahead of Marcus McWilson since he's Nebraska's only consensus 4 star?
September 30th, 2012 at 3:33 PM |
I secretly hope Norwestern
I secretly hope Norwestern
I secretly hope Norwestern becomes a top tier program, replacing either MSU or Iowa as the good but not great team that will compete with Michigan and Nebraska in the legends division. I doubt they will be able to have equal success compared to Nebraska due to overall football tradition, but for some reason I just have a softspot for the purple guys.
September 30th, 2012 at 10:40 PM |
Hmmmm...
Hmmmm...
I think its cool that Pat Fitzgerald keeps an MGoBlog account.
He probably thinks that the old points system was better and that newer members should get the hell off his lawn.
If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone
September 30th, 2012 at 4:23 PM |
Not playing ND. Does it hurt UM's chances with recruits
Not playing ND. Does it hurt UM's chances with recruits
that are being pursued by the both? Or is it a wash?
October 1st, 2012 at 9:28 AM |
Not if we replace them with
Not if we replace them with
Not if we replace them with marquee opponents. If we have annual game with Oregon, Georgia, FSU, etc I think it will do more for us nationally than playing the same regional opponent every year.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:05 AM |
So then you understand NDs
So then you understand NDs
So then you understand NDs position then?
October 1st, 2012 at 11:47 AM |
It's not the same situation.
It's not the same situation.
It's not the same situation. Notre Dame is already an independent. They can play whoever they want, and they frequently play USC, for example. Michigan has to play eight games within the Big Ten (aka the midwest), so adding a ninth regional school is "overkill" in some Michigan fans' opinions.
Meanwhile, even with Michigan holding down Notre Dame from playing national opponents, they're still playing USC, Oklahoma, BYU, Miami, Stanford, Boston College, and Wake Forest.
October 1st, 2012 at 3:48 PM |
With aligning with the ACC
With aligning with the ACC
With aligning with the ACC that disappears quickly once they become a full member.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:09 PM |
I hoped the points column
I hoped the points column
I hoped the points column would be the number of epic hoke points each commit garnered. sadly i was mistaken
September 30th, 2012 at 6:18 PM |
torri hunter, jr.
torri hunter, jr.
that's a big commit to the Irish- I believe he's the son of the baseball player.
He said he chose ND because he would be able to get a job anywhere after going to ND.
Coach Hoke once told me that a moral victory is still a (expletive deleted) loss.
October 1st, 2012 at 11:48 AM |
Yes, his father is baseball
Yes, his father is baseball
Yes, his father is baseball player Torii Hunter.
October 1st, 2012 at 1:35 AM |
Very well put together. I do
Very well put together. I do
Very well put together. I do get concern that the gophers seriously only have 6 recruits now... I hope things pan out better for them because Kill needs some talent on his team.
Hello Charles Woodson, now give me the ball on offense. - Brent Musburger
October 1st, 2012 at 6:08 AM |
Why is Notre dame even
Why is Notre dame even
Listed in this summary. For god sakes, they are in the ACC. For that matter, they were never in the Big. Don't get it. Can you please stop with this?
Go Blue !!!
Dave Brandon: Detailed and thorough investigation proves that Freep report was intentionally misleading.
October 1st, 2012 at 9:37 AM |
We compete with them for
We compete with them for
We compete with them for recruits more than we compete against half of the B1G (Iowa, Illinois, Minn, Indiana). They are still here because we won't ever stop recruiting the same players, even if they're in the ACC
October 1st, 2012 at 11:49 AM |
Also, we play them
Also, we play them
Also, we play them every...single...year.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:20 PM |
But only for two more years.
But only for two more years.
But only for two more years. After that, they're just another team in our region.
I agreed with having them on our list when they were an annual opponent, but I don't see a reason to have them on here any longer, since most of the recruits they're now getting will not play much of a role until after we stop playing them.
They were originally included on this list because they were a regular opponent, like an additional Big Ten team, not because we recruit against them, like many on here are mentioning. I don't see a reason for them to be included going forward. Maybe through the end of 2013 recruiting, but not beyond that.
October 1st, 2012 at 12:36 PM |
I agree that they shouldn't
I agree that they shouldn't
I agree that they shouldn't be on here for much longer, but the 2013 kids are going to play against us in 2013 and 2014 (obviously not the ones who redshirt or are buried on the bench, but still).
I really just don't understand people being upset about it. It's free, extra information. If you don't like it, just pretend that Notre Dame isn't there and compare Michigan with the rest of the Big Ten schools. It's not that big of a deal.
October 1st, 2012 at 10:22 AM |
Purdue
Purdue
"The margin is about as close as it gets between in-state rivals Indiana and Purdue for... 11th place."
Slighly off topic, but Good God...considering the talent level they're bringing in, I hope their defense isn't as good as their fan base thinks it is. Competing for 11th place? I hope we come out firing this week.
The Team, The Team, The Team
October 1st, 2012 at 12:14 PM |
I hope their defense isn't as
I hope their defense isn't as
I hope their defense isn't as good as their fan base thinks it is. Competing for 11th place? I hope we come out firing this week.
You mean the defense that gave up 41 points to Marshall? I think we'll be just fine. For the record, Purdue's 51 points in that game were against the #117 team in yardage allowed, so I'm not really that worried about their offense either.
October 1st, 2012 at 1:51 PM |
Yes
Yes
And if its the Purdue team that allowed 41 pts to Marshall, then I'll agree. The Purdue I'm worried about is the one that lost to ND by 3 pts. I sure hope its the former.
The Team, The Team, The Team
October 1st, 2012 at 10:34 AM |
Do we have a betting pool on
Do we have a betting pool on
Do we have a betting pool on the date Hackenberg and Breneman backtrack on their Penn State commitment yet?
October 1st, 2012 at 1:08 PM |
Firing
Firing
I just hope DR fires to our guys:)
October 1st, 2012 at 1:57 PM |
Class
Class
I really love Hoke's recruiting.
Hail! to the Victors Valiant Hail!
October 3rd, 2012 at 9:55 PM |
Time to take ND out of rankings
Time to take ND out of rankings
To hell with Notre Dame. Who cares about their class. It doesn't impact B10 at all. Give them their independence and leave them out.
Iowa doesn't have one RB committment yet. I wonder why?