That 3rd gif has got to be my all time favorite. Gets me every time.
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I have returned from vacation and, naturally, there's a lot of catching up to do. Michigan added a camp commit in Channing Stribling while every Big Ten school picked up at least one pledge over the past two weeks. Yes, even Indiana, which is now officially on the board. Changes since the last rankings:
6-11-12: Nebraska picks up Kevin Gladney. Northwestern picks up Sam Coverdale. Indiana picks up Isaac Griffith.
6-12-12: Caleb Benenoch decommits from Michigan State.
6-14-12: Penn State picks up Brandon Bell.
6-15-12: Iowa picks up Malik Rucker.
6-16-12: Nebraska picks up Nathan Gerry.
6-17-12: Nebraska picks up Gabriel Miller. Wisconsin picks up Hayden Biegel and Jazz Peavy.
6-18-12: Minnesota picks up Alex Mayes.
6-19-12: Ohio State picks up Johnny Townsend. Northwestern picks up Eric Joraskie.
6-20-12: Michigan picks up Channing Stribling. Michigan State picks up Darian Hicks. Nothwestern picks up Xavier Menifield.
6-21-12: Illinois picks up Caleb Day. Iowa picks up Derrick Mitchell Jr. Minnesota picks up Owen Salzwedel.
6-22-12: Illinois picks up Bryce Douglas. Iowa picks up Sean Welsh and Andre Harris. Northwestern picks up Hunter Niswander. Minnesota picks up Chris Streveler.
6-23-12: Illinois picks up Darius Mosely.
|Big Ten+ Recruiting Class Rankings|
|Rank||School||# Commits||Rivals Avg||Scout Avg||24/7 Avg||ESPN Avg||Avg Avg^|
^The average of the average rankings of the four recruiting services (the previous four columns). The figure is calculated based on the raw numbers and then rounded, so the numbers above may not average out exactly.
NOTE: Unranked recruits are counted as two-star players.
On to the full data after the jump.
|#1 Michigan - 22 Commits|
|Maurice Hurst Jr.||DT||MA||3||4||4||3|
The Wolverines add to their burgeoning sleeper collection with camp commit Channing Stribling. Scott Sypniewski picks up two stars from Rivals, Scout, and 247.
|#2 Notre Dame - 14 Commits|
No changes for the Irish.
|#3 Ohio State - 12 Commits|
The Buckeyes are the latest program to bolster their kicking game, grabbing Florida punter Johnny Townsend.
|#4 Penn State - 11 Commits|
The Nittany Lions gain the commitment of linebacker Brandon Bell, their fifth pledge from New Jersey. Neiko Robinson gets two stars from Scout and three from ESPN, while William Fuller also gets upgraded to three stars on ESPN.
|#5 Nebraska - 11 Commits|
The Cornhuskers add S/ATH Nathan Gerry, WR Kevin Gladney, and LS (yes, another long snapper) Gabriel Miller to the fold.
|#6 Illinois - 13 Commits|
The Illini secure three commitments—OH CB Caleb Day, IL CB Darius Mosely, and IL DT Bryce Douglas—in three days, which is enough to vault them past Michigan State for sixth place in the standings.
|#7 Iowa - 12 Commits|
|Derrick Mitchell Jr.||S||MO||3||3||3||3|
The Hawkeyes also pass Michigan State after picking up four commits: Malik Rucker, Derrick Mitchell Jr., Sean Welsh, and Andre Harris.
|#8 Michigan State - 7 Commits|
The Spartans lose the commitment of Texas lineman Caleb Benenoch—not a big surprise considering the course of his recruitment—but pick up Ohio corner Darian Hicks.
|#9 Wisconsin - 8 Commits|
The Badgers pick up two in-state commits in OL Hayden Biegel and WR Jazz Peavy. T.J. Watt gets three stars from 247.
|#10 Northwestern - 9 Commits|
The Wildcats add four commits—OH OL Sam Coverdale, PA DE Eric Joraskie, CA RB Xavier Menifield, and OH K Hunter Miswander—and Tyler Lancaster picks up two stars from Scout and three from 247.
|#11 Minnesota - 4 Commits|
The Gophers add three commits: TX OL Alex Mayes, WI DE Owen Salzwedel, and IL QB Chris Streveler. They pass Purdue for 11th place.
|#12 Purdue - 3 Commits|
The Boilermakers get a commitment from in-state running back David Yancey.
|#13 Indiana - 1 Commit|
THE HOOSIERS LAND A COMMIT! For this, we shall celebrate, since I'm pretty sure there aren't any Indiana football fans to do so for themselves.
Congratulations, Indiana. At this pace you should be able to field an actual team in 2044 or so.
That 3rd gif has got to be my all time favorite. Gets me every time.
I've been staring at this gif longer than I ever have for one of Kate Upton's. Not so sure how I feel about that
You mean this one ISN'T your favorite??
My favorite by a mile.
...a pic of teenage Brady Hoke at a basketball game?
...a pic of teenage Brady Hoke at a basketball game?
I agree, I don't understand it. Is the perception of it being a basketball school drown out football that much? Bloomington is a quintessential college town, has very good academics, and is a member of the best conference this world has to offer
I haven't been to Bloomington, but have heard great things about the campus. Here's what I would guess their disadvantages are:
1. Indiana is not exactly Ohio or Pennsylvania for producing football talent according to this chart (though they produce more recruits than some other B10 states)
2. Indiana is and always will be viewed as a basketball first school. Duke, Kentucky and Kansas aren't football powers either.
3. They have the unique disadvantage of having another B10 school in state plus Notre Dame. I wonder how many states the size of Indiana have 3 schools competing at that level. I realize that Notre Dame takes very few kids from Indiana, but I suspect that they are in on any recruits that they are interested in.
These aren't necessarily fatal -- Bill Mallory got them to several bowl games in the late 80s early 90s -- but it does mean that they need have a lot of inherent obstacles.
To the chart as well? I think it would give a better representation of some classes (read Michigan's) that are negatively skewed because of atypical scores.
Not sure if you're serious...?
Would use it? I really, really hope you do.
Well you want to use it because you feel those 2 stars we have hurts our average and you think having a median of 4 would look better. I do not see the benefit of Ace wasting his time on another category that will have each team having a score of a 3 or 4.
I would like to see the median as well. It's not exactly time-wasting per se - it's an excel formula that takes maybe two minutes to copy and paste to the 12 teams in the rankings?
Then again, I'm a financial analyst - I live for data. Must . . . . have . . . . .input . . . . input!
I don't feel that those 2 stars hurt our average, I know that they do. I also don't think a median of 4 looks better, I know it does. Adding the median would also help to give a better idea of what teams are recruiting at the same level I.e. Michigan, ND, and Ohio would have a median of 4 and the other teams would likely have a 3. It's a holistic way to compare classes. Wasting his time? It would literally take 10 seconds to calculate the median for each team. It takes no more than typing an Excel formula and selecting the data. I'd actually propose that Ace include the mode as well. It'd be another measure of central tendency that I think would be useful to see.
Would you want the median of each of the 4 sites? - 4 columns
Would you want the mode of each of the 4 sites? - 4 more columns.
These tables are already fairly large.
Just add two more tables: one for the mode and one for the median.
What is the benefit of this? Can't you just look at the rankings and put your finger in the middle of each teams rankings to find the median? Does it ruin your day when you see other teams have higher averages than us? You guys are getting to caught up in the rankings/averages.
More accurate judgments can be passed. If we use your logic, then why can't Ace just give the raw data and then we can just count up the stars and divide it by n number of recruits ourselves? I mean we could save him all that time and he wouldn't have to worry about it. In fact, why doesn't he just not post these at all? According to you, these rankings and averages don't matter, so let's just forget about them! Who cares that there's a significant correlation between highly ranked recruiting classes and success on the field? According to you, it doesn't matter!
So by adding a median category we are accomplishing all of that?
In light of what I wrote, your comment makes absolutely no sense.
I'm just really happy for you that you're so passionate about medians! What I am saying is that we value the averages and stars over our success in fulfilling needs. The coaching staff felt like a long snapper was a need so they picked one up. Yes, a 2 star long snapper is going to kill our average. Does adding additional stat categories that will make our numbers look better, make you feel better about this class?
About the merits of various measurements of central tendency with someone who's knowledge of the concept is no greater than a grade schooler's. It's not about making the numbers look better, it's about giving a more accurate representation of the makeup of the class.
A median DOES NOT let you know who has a better class at all. Every team in the BIG 10 will have a 3 or a 4, so what does that tell us? Your attempts at insults and reasoning are that of a grade schoolers. So stop being a snob and requesting additional statistical categories that will show Michigan with the highest score, just because it helps you sleep at night.
We should probably relax a little bit. We have 22 recruits, nearly a full class. When the other schools fill out their classes, they will be adding a bunch of 3 and 2 stars like we did.
That will bring their averages closer to ours. It's not like they will be filling out the rest of their classes with 4 and 5 stars.
They can't, we took them all.
dang double posts
First, Michigan has 16 committs that are 4 stars to at least 3 of 4 services, which is 7 more than Ohio or ND who both have 9 that rank as such. That's mind blowing, and puts in perspecitve taking the commitments of guys like Stribling (who will be a consensus 3 star by NSD) and Spyniewski. Even the vaunted Alabama takes a few consensus 3 stars every year, and let's not forget that guys like Hart and Breaston were 3 stars.
We will have a top 3 class by year end, wether we land Treadwell or other elite guys or not. Given what Hoke, and company seem to be able to do coaching up talent, that should fill the Michigan faithful with great hope for what the future holds. If we eternally miss out on the lingering elite one or two guys to fill out a class because the coaches are busy laying the groundwork with a dozen or more consensus 4 stars for next year's class, I'll take it.
We may not get the #1 overall class on 247 now unless they reevaluate and some of our player averages go up. 247 now lists Alabama as the #1 class while ESPN lists them as 3rd, scout lists them as 5th, and rivals lists them as 2nd. None of the top players we are in with on 247 list are rated higher than any of our current top 5 commits, I believe, while other services list our "nsd" prospects as our top prospects or at least our second best. Does anyone know how 247 typically rates and reevaluates players?
Getting the #1 overall class doesn't matter. Getting elite talent matters - and making sure that the talent fits your roster and schemes matters - but I think people get too worked up about these poorly constructed class rankings.
If we continue recruiting classes like this one, we're unlikely to encounter an opponent with vastly better talent. There will be a lot of teams with similar talent (e.g., OSU) such that execution, game planning, luck, etc. will likely make the difference, and then there will be a lot of teams against which we'll have a real talent advantage that they'll have to overcome (e.g., MSU).
(Note that I'm not saying that star ratings are silly and we should blindly trust the coaches.)
I know this, just from watching Florida states dominant recruiting classes and overall lackluster underperformance you can see where real value lies, but I'm still wondering what will happen with 247 rankings.
commits in B1G territory,
never thought I'd see that day
I never thought I'd see Courtney Love play Linebacker for Nebraska, yet here we are...
keep it up by far the best michigan class i can remember!!!!!!