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By Ace — December 16th, 2012 at 5:53 PM — 56 comments
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With Michigan picking up two commits—and jumping back into first place—the recruiting rankings are front-paged this week. Also of note: Indiana and Wisconsin essentially changing places in the standings. Changes since the last rankings:

12-6-12: Rutgers picks up Dean Crozier.
12-9-12: Illinois picks up Marchie Murdock. Penn State picks up DaeSean Hamilton. Minnesota picks up De'Niro Laster.
12-10-12: Illinois picks up Dallas Hinkhouse. Indiana picks up Kristopher Smith.
12-11-12: Rutgers picks up Skai Moore. Indiana picks up Steven Funderburk.
12-12-12: Tiquention Coleman decommits from Wisconsin. Minnesota picks up Damien Wilson.
12-14-12: Penn State picks up Tyler Ferguson. Iowa picks up LeShun Daniels.
12-15-12: Delano Hill decommits from Iowa. Michigan picks up David Dawson and Delano Hill. Jonathan Cook decommits from Nebraska. Nebraska picks up D.J Singleton. Indiana picks up Noel Padmore.

Chart? Chart:

Big Ten+ Recruiting Class Rankings
Rank School # Commits Rivals Avg Scout Avg 24/7 Avg ESPN Avg Avg Avg^ POINTS*
1 Michigan 24 3.67 3.83 3.71 3.63 3.71 89.00
2 Notre Dame 22 3.77 3.86 3.82 3.86 3.83 84.25
3 Illinois 26 2.77 2.69 2.69 2.85 2.75 71.50
4 Ohio State 19 3.58 3.79 3.74 3.79 3.72 70.75
5 Rutgers 22 2.86 2.86 2.77 3.00 2.88 63.25
6 Northwestern 20 2.80 2.90 2.80 3.00 2.88 57.50
7 Penn State 18 2.89 2.83 3.22 3.11 3.01 54.25
8 Nebraska 16 3.13 3.38 3.25 3.19 3.23 51.75
9 Indiana 19 2.89 2.79 2.37 2.79 2.71 51.50
10 Maryland 17 2.88 2.76 3.00 2.94 2.90 49.25
11 Michigan State 15 3.13 3.07 3.07 3.33 3.15 47.25
T-12 Iowa 16 3.00 2.75 3.06 2.94 2.94 47.00
T-12 Wisconsin 15 3.20 3.07 3.00 3.27 3.13 47.00
14 Minnesota 14 2.79 2.43 2.86 2.79 2.71 38.00
15 Purdue 12 2.83 2.42 2.58 3.00 2.71 32.50

^The average of the average rankings of the four recruiting services (the previous four columns). The figure is calculated based on the raw numbers and then rounded, so the numbers above may not average out exactly.

*The product of number of Commits and Average Average

NOTE: Unranked recruits are counted as two-star players.

On to the full data after the jump.

 

#1 Michigan - 24 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Shane Morris QB MI 5 5 5 4
Patrick Kugler OL PA 4 5 4 4
Dymonte Thomas S OH 4 5 4 4
Kyle Bosch OL IL 4 4 4 4
David Dawson OL MI 4 4 4 4
Taco Charlton DE OH 4 4 4 4
Chris Fox OL CO 4 4 4 4
Ben Gedeon LB OH 4 4 4 4
Jourdan Lewis CB MI 4 4 4 4
Mike McCray LB OH 4 4 4 4
Henry Poggi DT MD 4 4 4 4
Logan Tuley-Tillman OL IL 4 4 4 4
Delano Hill S MI 4 4 4 3
Wyatt Shallman ATH MI 4 4 4 3
Jake Butt TE OH 4 4 3 4
Ross Douglas CB OH 4 3 4 4
DeVeon Smith RB OH 3 4 4 4
Maurice Hurst Jr. DT MA 3 4 4 3
Jaron Dukes WR OH 3 4 3 4
Khalid Hill TE MI 3 3 3 3
Da'Mario Jones WR MI 3 3 3 3
Channing Stribling CB NC 3 3 3 3
Csont'e York WR MI 3 3 3 3
Scott Sypniewski LS IL 2 2 2 2

The Wolverines add Cass Tech teammates David Dawson and Delano Hill, passing Notre Dame to regain the top spot in the rankings.

#2 Notre Dame - 22 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Jaylon Smith LB IN 5 5 5 5
Greg Bryant RB FL 5 4 4 4
Alex Anzalone LB PA 4 4 4 4
Hunter Bivin OL KY 4 4 4 4
Steven Elmer OL MI 4 4 4 4
Mike Heuerman TE FL 4 4 4 4
Torii Hunter Jr. WR TX 4 4 4 4
Cole Luke CB AZ 4 4 4 4
Mike McGlinchey OL PA 4 4 4 4
Isaac Rochell DE GA 4 4 4 4
Malik Zaire QB OH 4 4 4 4
John Montelus OL MA 4 4 4 3
James Onwualu WR MN 4 4 3 4
William Fuller WR PA 4 4 3 3
Doug Randolph LB VA 4 3 4 4
Colin McGovern OL IL 3 4 4 4
Jacob Matuska DE OH 3 4 4 3
Jamel James RB TX 3 4 3 4
Corey Robinson WR TX 3 4 3 3
Rashad Kinlaw ATH NJ 3 3 4 4
Devin Butler CB DC 3 3 4 4
Michael Deeb LB FL 3 3 3 4

No change for the Irish.

#3 Illinois - 26 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Aaron Bailey QB IL 4 4 4 4
Caleb Day CB OH 4 3 3 3
Darius Mosely CB IL 3 3 3 4
Jarrod Clements DE OH 3 3 3 3
Reon Dawson CB OH 3 3 3 3
Christian DiLauro TE OH 3 3 3 3
Merrick Jackson DT IL 3 3 3 3
Reggie Spearman LB IL 3 3 3 3
Abens Cajuste DT CA 3 3 3 JC
Dillan Cazley CB IL 3 3 2 3
Bryce Douglas DT IL 3 3 2 3
Kendrick Foster RB IL 3 3 2 3
Joshua Jones S MI 3 3 2 3
Darwyn Kelly S DC 3 2 3 3
Dallas Hinkhouse OL IA 3 2 3 JC
Dawuane Smoot DE OH 3 2 2 3
Evan Panfil DE IL 3 2 NR 3
Kyle Kragen DE CA 3 2 3 JC
Jesse Chadwell OL MI 2 3 3 3
Miguel Hermosillo ATH IL 2 3 3 3
Austin Schmidt OL OH 2 3 2 3
Marchie Murdock WR TX 2 2 3 3
Martize Barr WR IA 2 2 2 JC
Tyler White TE MI 2 3 3 3
Zane Petty S CA 2 2 3 JC
Eric Finney S CA 2 2 NR JC

The Illini pick up JuCo IA OL Dallas Hinkhouse and TX WR Marchie Murdock, edging past Ohio State for third place.

#4 Ohio State - 19 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Jalin Marshall ATH OH 4 5 4 4
Joey Bosa DE FL 4 5 4 4
Eli Woodard CB NJ 4 4 4 5
J.T. Barrett QB TX 4 4 4 4
Marcus Baugh TE CA 4 4 4 4
Cameron Burrows CB OH 4 4 4 4
Michael Hill DT SC 4 4 4 4
Evan Lisle OL OH 4 4 4 4
Billy Price DT OH 4 4 4 4
Ezekiel Elliott RB MO 4 4 4 4
Jayme Thompson S OH 4 4 4 4
Tyquan Lewis DE NC 4 3 4 3
Gareon Conley CB OH 3 4 4 4
Donovan Munger DT OH 3 4 4 4
Tim Gardner OL IN 3 3 4 3
Taivon Jacobs WR MD 3 3 3 4
Darron Lee ATH OH 3 3 3 3
Tracy Sprinkle DE OH 3 3 3 3
Johnny Townsend P FL 2 3 2 3

No change for the Buckeyes.

#5 Rutgers - 22 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Nadir Barnwell CB NJ 4 4 4 4
Skai Moore LB FL 4 3 3 3
Dorian Miller OL NJ 3 4 3 4
Myles Nash ATH NJ 3 3 3 4
Dontea Ayres RB DE 3 3 3 3
Nick Internicola DE FL 3 3 3 3
Lester Liston LB VA 3 3 3 3
Taylor Marini TE FL 3 3 3 3
Andre Patton WR DE 3 3 3 3
Eric Wiafe DT NJ 3 3 3 2
Delon Stephenson CB NY 3 3 3 JC
Chris Laviano QB NY 3 3 2 4
Anthony Cioffi S NJ 3 3 2 3
Justin Goodwin CB NJ 3 2 3 3
T.J. Taylor LB NJ 3 2 3 3
Bryant Gross S FL 3 2 2 3
Sebastian Joseph DT PA 3 2 2 3
Nick Arcidiacono TE PA 2 3 3 3
John Tsimis WR NJ 2 3 3 3
Josh Klecko DT NJ 2 3 2 3
Kemoko Turay DE NJ 2 2 3 NR
Dean Crozier P AUS NR 3 NR JC

The Scarlet Knights gain commitments from FL LB Skai Moore and Australian punter Dean Crozier.

#6 Northwestern - 20 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Matt Alviti QB IL 4 4 4 4
Tyler Lancaster OL IL 3 3 4 3
Godwin Igwebuike ATH OH 3 3 3 4
Sam Coverdale OL OH 3 3 3 3
Matt Harris WR IL 3 3 3 3
Blake King OL IL 3 3 3 3
Xavier Menifield RB CA 3 3 3 3
Brad North OL TX 3 3 3 3
Kyle Queiro ATH NJ 3 3 3 3
Anthony Walker Jr. LB FL 3 3 3 3
Brett Walsh LB CA 3 3 3 3
Keith Watkins RB OH 3 3 3 3
Eric Joraskie DE PA 3 3 2 3
Warren Miles-Long RB CA 3 3 2 3
Macan Wilson WR TX 3 3 2 3
Jayme Taylor TE TX 2 3 3 3
Raymond Davison DE CA 2 3 3 3
Tommy Fuessel ATH IL 2 2 2 2
Hunter Miswander K OH 2 2 2 2
Marcus McShepard CB OH NR 2 NR 3

Raymond Davison gets three stars from 247 and Marcus McShepard gets three stars from ESPN.

#7 Penn State - 18 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Adam Breneman TE PA 4 5 4 4
Christian Hackenberg QB VA 4 4 5 4
Garrett Sickels DE NJ 4 4 4 4
Brendan Mahon OL NJ 4 3 3 4
Zayd Issah LB PA 3 4 3 3
DaeSean Hamilton WR VA 3 3 3 4
Andrew Nelson OL PA 3 3 3 4
Richy Anderson RB MD 3 3 3 3
Brandon Bell LB NJ 3 3 3 3
Curtis Cothran DE NJ 3 3 3 3
Neiko Robinson S FL 3 2 3 3
Parker Cothren DE AL 3 2 3 2
Tanner Hartman OL VA 2 2 3 2
Jonathan Walton LB AL 2 2 3 3
Jordan Smith CB DC 2 2 3 3
Tyler Ferguson QB CA NR 2 4 JC
Kasey Gaines S GA NR 2 3 3
Anthony Smith CB PA NR 2 NR 2

The Nittany Lions add VA WR DaeSean Hamilton and JuCo CA QB Tyler Ferguson, vaulting past Nebraska, Maryland, and Wisconsin into seventh place.

#8 Nebraska - 16 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Marcus McWilson S OH 4 4 4 3
Josh Banderas LB NE 4 4 4 4
Marcus Newby LB MD 4 3 4 4
Randy Gregory DE AZ 4 3 4 JC
Johnny Stanton QB CA 3 4 4 4
Adam Taylor RB TX 3 4 3 4
A.J. Natter DE WI 3 4 3 3
Dan Samuelson OL IN 3 4 3 3
Courtney Love LB OH 3 3 4 4
Nathan Gerry S SD 3 3 3 3
Kevin Gladney WR OH 3 3 3 3
Zach Hannon OL MO 3 3 3 3
Greg Hart TE OH 3 3 3 3
Antoine Miles DE OH 3 3 NR NR
Gabriel Miller LS IN 2 2 2 2
D.J. Singleton S NJ NR 4 3 4

The Huskers lose CB Jonathan Cook to Alabama but gain a commitment from NJ S D.J. Singleton, who will enroll in January after originally being a 2012 recruit.

#9 Indiana - 19 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Darius Latham DT IN 4 4 4 4
Antonio Allen S IN 4 4 3 4
David Kenney DE IN 4 4 3 4
Rashard Fant ATH GA 4 3 2 4
Danny Friend TE IL 3 3 3 3
Chase Dutra S IN 3 3 3 2
Isaac Griffith WR IN 3 3 3 3
Kristopher Smith LB GA 3 3 2 4
Clyde Newton LB FL 3 3 2 3
Noel Padmore CB GA 3 3 2 3
Evan Jansen TE OH 3 2 3 3
Patrick Dougherty DE OH 3 2 2 2
Marcus Oliver LB OH 3 2 NR 3
Anthony Young WR OH 2 3 3 3
Jacobi Hunter DT TX 2 3 2 3
Myles Graham RB FL 2 2 3 2
Steven Funderburk LB IA 2 2 3 JC
T.J. Simmons LB FL 2 NR 2 3
Jordan Heiderman DT IA 2 2 2 JC

The Hoosiers land GA LB Kristopher Smith, GA CB Noel Padmore, and JuCo IA LB Steven Funderburk. Indiana—yes, Indiana—leaps past Maryland, Iowa, Michigan State, and Wisconsin.

#10 Maryland - 17 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Derwin Gray OL DC 4 4 4 4
Deon Long WR IA 4 3 4 JC
Andrew Isaacs TE CT 4 3 3 3
Shane Cockerille QB MD 3 3 3 4
Milan Collins S MD 3 3 3 3
Jajuan Dulaney OL GA 3 3 3 3
Moise Larose OL MD 3 3 3 3
Demetri McGill DT VA 3 3 3 3
Kingsley Opara DT FL 3 3 3 3
Jarrett Ross DE DE 3 3 3 3
Cavon Walker LB DC 3 3 3 3
Jermaine Carter LB DC 3 2 3 3
Derrick Hayward LB MD 2 3 3 3
Jalen Brooks LB GA 2 2 3 3
Malik Jones OL MD 2 2 3 2
Elvis Dennah S MD 2 2 2 3
DeAndre Lane ATH MD 2 2 2 2

No change for the Terrapins.

#11 Michigan State - 15 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Jon Reschke LB MI 4 4 4 4
Shane Jones LB OH 4 3 3 4
Dennis Finley OL MI 3 4 3 4
Damion Terry QB PA 3 4 4 4
Darian Hicks CB OH 3 3 4 3
Jalyn Powell S OH 3 3 3 4
Delton Williams ATH PA 3 3 3 4
Demetrius Cooper DE IL 3 3 3 3
Gerald Holmes RB MI 3 3 3 3
Jay Harris WR PA 3 3 3 3
R.J. Shelton RB WI 3 3 3 3
Trey Kilgore WR OH 3 3 3 3
Devyn Salmon DT FL 3 3 2 3
Michael Geiger K OH 3 2 3 3
Dylan Chmura TE WI 3 2 2 NR

No change for the Spartans; they pass Wisconsin anyway.

T-#12 Iowa - 16 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Jon Wisnieski TE IA 3 3 3 4
Nathan Bazata DT NE 3 3 3 3
LeShun Daniels RB OH 3 3 3 3
Colin Goebel OL IL 3 3 3 3
Brant Gressel DT OH 3 3 3 3
John Kenny LB IN 3 3 3 3
Derrick Mitchell Jr. S MO 3 3 3 3
Malik Rucker S MN 3 3 3 3
Nic Shimonek QB TX 3 3 3 3
Solomon Warfield S OH 3 3 3 3
Sean Welsh OL OH 3 3 3 3
Derrick Willies WR IL 3 3 3 3
Trevon Young LB IA 3 2 4 3
Ike Boettger TE IA 3 2 3 2
Andre Harris ATH MO 3 2 3 3
Damond Powell WR UT 3 2 3 JC

The Hawkeyes lose Delano Hill to Michigan but pick up OH RB LeShun Daniels. Ike Boetgger and Damond Powell each get three stars from Rivals; Powell also gets two and three stars, respectively, from Scout and 247.

T-#12 Wisconsin - 15 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Corey Clement RB NJ 4 4 4 4
Tyler Foreman S CA 4 4 4 3
Chikwe Obasih DE WI 4 3 4 3
Keelon Brookins CB MN 4 3 3 3
Rob Wheelwright WR OH 3 4 3 3
Garret Dooley LB IL 3 3 3 4
Alec James DE WI 3 3 3 4
Jack Keeler OL IL 3 3 3 4
Sojourn Shelton CB FL 3 3 3 4
Marcus Ball ATH OH 3 3 3 3
Matt Miller OL OH 3 3 3 3
T.J. Watt ATH WI 3 3 3 3
Sam Raridon DT IA 3 3 2 3
Jazz Peavy WR WI 3 2 2 3
Matt Hubley S WI 2 2 2 2

GA CB Tiquention Coleman decommits from Wisconsin and follows Bret Bielema to Arkansas. The Badgers fall behind MSU and into a tie with Iowa.

#14 Minnesota - 14 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Nate Andrews WR AL 3 3 3 3
Berkley Edwards RB MI 3 3 3 3
Nate Godwin CB FL 3 3 3 3
De'Niro Laster WR OH 3 3 3 3
Alex Mayes OL TX 3 3 3 3
Owen Salzwedel DE WI 3 3 3 3
Demaris Peppers DT TN 3 2 3 3
Hendrick Ekpe DE TX 3 2 3 2
Eric Carter WR FL 3 2 2 3
Jordan Hinojosa DT KS 3 2 2 JC
Chris Wipson LB MN 2 2 3 3
Chris Streveler QB IL 2 2 3 3
Jalen Myrick CB GA 2 2 3 3
Damien Wilson LB MS 2 NR 3 JC

The Gophers pick up OH WR De'Niro Laster and JuCo MS LB Damien Wilson.

#15 Purdue - 12 Commits
Name Position State Rivals Scout 24/7 ESPN
Danny Etling QB IN 4 3 3 3
Keyante Green RB GA 3 3 3 4
Austin Logan S FL 3 3 2 3
Johnny Thompson DE GA 3 3 2 2
Leroy Clark CB FL 3 2 3 4
Dwayne Johnson OL IL 3 2 3 3
David Yancey RB IN 3 2 3 3
Jake Replogle DE OH 3 2 2 3
John Strauser DE IL 3 2 2 3
Danny Ezechukwu DE GA 2 3 2 3
Myles Norwood WR TX 2 NR 3 3
Ra-Zahn Howard DT GA NR NR 3 NR

The Boilermakers add FL CB Leroy Clark.

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December 16th, 2012 at 6:15 PM | Name wise (Score:5 Normal)
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This was a banner week for the BIG. Marchie Murdock, De'Niro Laster, Dallas Hinkhouse,Skai Moore, Tiquention Coleman. Wow

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December 16th, 2012 at 6:17 PM | #1, #1, #1!!! (Score:4 Normal)
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#1, #1, #1!!!

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December 16th, 2012 at 6:27 PM | Is Notre Dame (Score:-1 Redundant)
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In the Big xxx now? I missed that. Not sure why they are reflected in this summary. Add Oklahoma. Nebraska is listed. Maybe Pitt since Penn St listed. Oh yah, husk ers and lions are members of the Big xx.

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December 16th, 2012 at 6:33 PM | ND is a peer (Score:4 Normal)
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ND is a peer institution/football program/geographic rival.

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December 16th, 2012 at 6:37 PM | (No subject) (Score:5 Normal)
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December 17th, 2012 at 11:56 AM | Upvoted to 5. (Score:1 Normal)
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I wonder if it got there for appropriate meme, or appropriate hotness.

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December 17th, 2012 at 12:07 PM | Yes (Score:2 Normal)
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Yes

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December 16th, 2012 at 6:53 PM | It's been this way since well (Score:5 Normal)
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It's been this way since well before you first signed up here, so yeah, I guess you missed it.

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December 16th, 2012 at 7:06 PM | I feel like after the class (Score:3 Normal)
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I feel like after the class of 2014, Notre Dame will no longer be necessary as we will not be playing incoming recruits for the four or five years after that cycle. For now, Notre Dame is still a relevant part of these rankings even though they aren't actually in the B1G.

Denard is my homeboy.

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December 16th, 2012 at 7:39 PM | This might be (Score:5 Normal)
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This might be my favorite unintentional mgoblog meme.

Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.

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December 17th, 2012 at 1:31 PM | You have had some very (Score:1)
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You have had some very interesting posts the past few days.  Are you using drugs?

/asked in a concerned sort of way

 

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December 16th, 2012 at 6:37 PM | Going to take some time for (Score:1 Overrated)
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Going to take some time for the new recruiting grounds to become fertile for old and new BIG teams.

Rutgers and Maryland not taking advantage of recruiting the midwest now that they are in the BIG.

Rutgers has no recruits from west  of Pennsylvania

Maryland has one recruit from west of Pennsylvania, an Iowa Juco, who played his HS ball in DC, so he doesn't really count. Maryland does have a couple kids from Georgia, so they do have that going for themselves.

Penn State doesn't have a single recruit from the midwest, which seems a bit strange to me.

Michigan is one of the few current BIG schools with a player from Maryland (Henry Poggi), but he came aboard long before the merger.

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December 16th, 2012 at 6:47 PM | And there's something like 9 (Score:1)
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And there's something like 9 recruits from NJ in B1G classes.

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December 16th, 2012 at 6:51 PM | I feel like everyone in the (Score:2 Normal)
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I feel like everyone in the Treadwell thread that's freaking out should come here, see how we're doing recruiting-wise and calm the fuck down. We have a great QB, a solid RB, and plenty of awesomeness in the trenches, where games tend to be won. We're fine.

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December 16th, 2012 at 6:57 PM | we need all of the 5 stars (Score:5 Normal)
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we need all of the 5 stars though, otherwise it means Hoke sucks at recruiting and can't close.  

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December 16th, 2012 at 7:02 PM | And he doesn't develop talent (Score:2)
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because Chris Barnett.

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December 16th, 2012 at 7:17 PM | Don't forget about Kellen (Score:0 Overrated)
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Don't forget about Kellen Jones!

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December 16th, 2012 at 7:53 PM | Who? (Score:2 Normal)
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Who?

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December 16th, 2012 at 8:15 PM | Kellen Jones (Score:3 Funny)
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Kellen Jones

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December 16th, 2012 at 7:11 PM | Wow, Illinois, way be embrace (Score:5 Normal)
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Wow, Illinois, way be embrace the fact you are mediocre and gorge on the 3* players early.  

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December 16th, 2012 at 7:12 PM | Everyone wants gamebreakers (Score:3 Normal)
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But games are won and lost in the trenches. If you put good skill players behind great lines they will thrive. I hope we can eventually get our d-line to an elite level that seems to be what makes a good defense great. It's been a while since we generated a lot of pressure with just our front four.

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December 16th, 2012 at 7:51 PM | Wasnt Hart a 3*? (Score:1 Normal)
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Wasnt Hart a 3*?

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December 16th, 2012 at 8:04 PM | He was??!?!?!?!?!?11?!??!?! (Score:5 Normal)
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He was??!?!?!?!?!?11?!??!?! NO WAI !!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!11!!!!!1!1!!!!1!!!!!

COYS and lets go Detroit FC!

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December 17th, 2012 at 3:58 PM | Oh please... (Score:2)
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Next thing you'll tell me that Jordan Kovacs was a walk-on.

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December 16th, 2012 at 8:07 PM | Well that (Score:5 Normal)
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Settles it. We should only recruit 3 stars from now on.

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December 16th, 2012 at 7:50 PM | Im still confused with (Score:1 Normal)
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Im still confused with Sypniewski. Was he offered a football scholarship or not? 

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December 16th, 2012 at 8:02 PM | Yes he was (Score:4 Normal)
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Yes he was

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December 16th, 2012 at 8:05 PM | Very good set at many spots (Score:2 Normal)
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Probably a bunch of contributors by 2014 as the trench guys, LBs and TEs need a little development.

If Shane delivers, this could be a great class.

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December 16th, 2012 at 9:35 PM | Skai Moore (Score:2)
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Skai Moore would be a great name for a basketball player.

Brady Hoke - High quality recruits one or two at a time.

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December 16th, 2012 at 10:03 PM | Liking Hoke's emphasis on building depth (Score:2 Normal)
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Michigan might not have the star power at RB and WR just yet, but that's less of a concern for me in the near term. Rebuilding the lines, creating depth across the board and picking up solid recuits with an emphasis on character is the answer to long term sustained excellence. When the overall talent has been replenished with kids suited to the staff's schemes, then I'll worry about the staff's ability to cherry pick the top talents. In the meantime I am going to enjoy the incredibly deep and incredibly talented bunch of kids brought in over the last two years. They're going to be great fun to watch.

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December 16th, 2012 at 11:22 PM | Illinois drinking the JUCO kool-aid big time (Score:2)
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Just a matter of time for Beckman anyway, but that program is gonna crater and suck for years.

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December 16th, 2012 at 11:44 PM | I feel like I'm the only one (Score:1)
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I feel like I'm the only one that thinks Beckman will turn it around. I have met the man a few times @ Toledo and he is passionate as coach can get and really recruits well. I was very skeptical of the hire at first because he was OKST D cordinator and well we all know they don't play D but he won me over pretty quickly. I feel like if he brings that same passion to Illinios, he can be successful.

 

 

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December 17th, 2012 at 5:13 AM | Passion or no (Score:3 Normal)
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He turned a team of moderate talent into... whatever the hell we saw this year. A fatal indictment? Maybe not. But a great big red flag? Wooo boy howdy, you're damn skippy it is.

They no longer call me Bisbiño

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December 17th, 2012 at 12:36 PM | Illinois is the poster child (Score:2)
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Illinois is the poster child for underperforming talent. Look at all the guys theyve put in the NFL the last few years and then look at their record over the same time period

I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

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December 16th, 2012 at 11:32 PM | Needs a new ranking system (Score:0 Normal)
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I really appreciate these posts and the work you do to compile it.  However, Notre Dame at number 2 and Illinois at number 3 should be enough to get you to change the point system you are using.  There is no way Michigan's class should be above Notre Dame and Illinois is way, way to high.  I know Illinois has more committs, but they average less than a three star on every service.  Nobody would take that class over Ohio's.

Something to think about.

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December 17th, 2012 at 1:23 AM | jesus christ people (Score:5 Normal)
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He has thought about it. People whine no matter what he does. The data are right there. Construct a different ranking if you don't like his. If it's better, people will upvote it.

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December 17th, 2012 at 1:37 AM | Why should ND be ahead of us? (Score:2)
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Why should ND be ahead of us? Our class is basically their class, plus a couple three stars. That's makes it better.

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December 17th, 2012 at 1:52 AM | Exactly, take out the 2* LS (Score:2)
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Exactly, take out the 2* LS and another consensus 3* and we're at 84 "points" just .25 behind ND.

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December 17th, 2012 at 2:59 AM | Rehashing the same debate… (Score:1)
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I suggest taking a look at the discussions for past week's recruiting rankings. In essence, the rankings represent a snapshot of where the classes stand relative to one another, not where they will end up at the end of the year, this Illinois' ranking relative to Ohio.

As for ND versus Michigan, it's a similar matter. Michigan has two more recruits—will ND bring in two more recruits that will sustain their average? Maybe. Maybe they'll bring in a couple long snappers and their avg will plummet? One of the recruiting sites makes a point of only evaluating the top twenty recruits for each school to equalize class size (and not let a Texas Tech size class skew things). Try that comparison with Michigan and ND and Michigan's class holds the advantage. This also "corrects" for (or compensates for?) a school taking a position of need (special teams) that typically don't receive high ratings.

Then do the same for Ohio State. Michigan has an AWESOME class.

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December 17th, 2012 at 5:18 AM | Agreed (Score:5 Normal)
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Okay Ace, here's the new plan: you need to come up with an objective rating system that calculates the subjective desirability of each class. 

It should be roughly based on the 1-10 "would you bang that person" scale.

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December 17th, 2012 at 9:16 AM | Long snappers go to 12 (Score:5 Normal)
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Long snappers go to 12 though, because -- well, it should be obvious.

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December 17th, 2012 at 12:06 PM | I like it... (Score:5 Normal)
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but when you get to be my age, you simply adopt a much more direct scale, such as the Binary scale.  Either you would bang that person, or you wouldn't. 

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December 17th, 2012 at 8:13 AM | Create a median-based scale (Score:2)
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Create a median-based scale that attempts to rate the depth of the middle of the class. Drop the top 3 and the bottom 5 and use Ace's points system on the rest.

accounts for teams taht get 2-3 blue chippers & loads up on nothing after, and accounts for the kickers/LSs/walk-on tweeners most teams get every year.

 

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December 17th, 2012 at 11:09 AM | I'm not sure (Score:2)
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I'm not sure if you're serious, but you want to arbitrarily drop 8 people from groups with populations between 15-25 to get better data?

Intensity is a lot of guys that run fast.

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December 17th, 2012 at 11:25 AM | Also a valid point. (Score:1)
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Still, there has to be some way NOT to rank a class of 25 2-stars (50 pts) over a class of 8 5-stars, a 4-star, a 3-star, and a 2-star (49 pts).

Really, which would you rather have?  

Not talking to you, Purdue.

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December 17th, 2012 at 11:50 AM | I somewhat agree with your (Score:2)
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I somewhat agree with your point in principle, but there's never going to be an objective way to rank classes with that kind of discrepancy in class size.  This is like trying to do the AP poll when some teams have played 10 games and some have played 3.  Would you rather be 3-0 or 8-2?  You can't really compare. 

The point of these rankings is to compare where the classes are right now, not where they might be.  And although the 11 member class in your example will likely end up as a great recruiting class, if those two were compared at signing day, I'm not sure it would be that much better. 

The nice thing is, in practice, you'll almost never need to compare an 11 member class against a 25 member class since every team signs more than 11 guys and the problem will solve itself.  It's harder for you to find a crazy example like that when every team has at least 18-20 kids.

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December 17th, 2012 at 3:10 PM | Obviously, Ace should have (Score:1)
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Obviously, Ace should have three different ratings to take into account the various discrepancies. Then, when the three ratings are averaged, you will get a result that no one will question.

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December 17th, 2012 at 11:56 AM | Indiana really went on a tear (Score:1)
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I seem to remember them having, like, no commits a couple months ago. Granted I checked out of recruiting during the season, but it seems like they've really gotten some work done.

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December 17th, 2012 at 11:59 AM | Those class rankings (Score:1)
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Don't pass the eyeball test.

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December 17th, 2012 at 12:13 PM | The eyeball test? (Score:2 Normal)
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