ND's class has a higher Scout and ESPN average - any chance they leapfrog us once their class size increases?
Big Ten Recruiting Class Rankings 8-28-11
Under new management, obviously. The B1G (plus Notre Dame) must've known there were changes going on at MGoBlog, because barely anything happened on the recruiting trail these past couple weeks. Thanks, everyone! Action since last rankings:
8-14-11 Purdue gains commitment from Jordan Roos.
8-21-11 Wisconsin gains commitment from D.J. Singleton.
8-24-11 Penn State gains commitment from Malik Golden.
8-25-11 Northwestern gains commitment from Greg Kuhar.
8-27-11 Iowa gains commitment from Ruben Lile.
|Big Ten+ Recruiting Class Rankings|
|Rank||School||# Commits||Rivals Avg||Scout Avg||ESPN Avg||24/7 Avg|
*ESPN doesn't rate JUCOs, so Isaac Fruechte (Minnesota), Darius Stroud (Indiana), and Steffon Martin (Purdue) are exluded from their respective team averages.
On to the full data, after the jump.
|#1 Michigan - 22 Commits|
Michigan remains solidly at the top of the rankings. Sione Houma picks up three stars from 24/7 after previously being unranked.
|#2 Notre Dame - 13 Commits|
No change for the Irish.
|#3 Penn State - 17 Commits|
ATH/WR Malik Golden COMES TO PENN SCHTAAAAATE. He isn't quite enough to bump the Nittany Lions past Notre Dame, but they're hot on the Irish's heels for the #2 spot.
|#4 Ohio State - 12 Commits|
No change for the Buckeyes, despite the rumored Adolphus Washington commit. He's not in this class... yet.
|#5 Michigan State - 14 Commits|
Kodi Keiler is upgraded from unranked to three stars on ESPN.
|#6 Wisconsin - 10 Commits|
The Badgers pick up safety D.J. Singleton. Hugs Etienne goes from unranked to three-stars on 24/7. Hugs all around, I guess (sorry, that was too easy). If Wisconsin can pick up a couple more commits, they have a good shot of passing MSU in the rankings.
|#7 Indiana - 17 Commits|
The Hoosiers add Sebastian Smith. Tanner Kearns gets 3 stars from 24/7. Four players (Kearns, Cornett, Todd, and Fletcher) earn two-star rankings from Rivals after being previously unranked. Alex Todd upgraded to three stars on Scout and 24/7, and Dawson Fletcher gets two stars from 24/7.
|#8 Northwestern - 14 Commits|
The Wildcats grab Greg Kuhar. Chris Fitzpatrick picks up two stars from Rivals and 24/7, and Mike McHugh gets his two stars from 24/7 as well. Northwestern inches closer to Indiana, but, well, Gunner Kiel.
|#9 Iowa - 10 Commits|
The Hawkeyes picked up a commit from Cass Tech ATH Ruben Lile last night, which vaults them ahead of Minnesota (larger class, far lower quality) and Nebraska (still stuck on six commits).
|#10 Minnesota - 18 Commits|
No new commits for the Gophers. Mitch Leidner gets three stars, and Brian Nicholson and Samad Hinds each two stars, from 24/7.
|#11 Nebraska - 6 Commits|
No change for the Huskers.
|#12 Purdue - 12 Commits|
The Boilermakers land Jordan Roos, although 24/7 has yet to catch on despite the fact that they have him as a three-star and he committed two weeks ago. B.J. Knauf gets a third star from Scout and 24/7, Jonathan Curry gets bumped up a star by ESPN, and Anthony Brown and Paul Griggs get three stars from 24/7. Scout is still missing Andy Garcia, Steffon Martin, and Knauf from their commitment list -- thanks for making this task easy, guys. At this point, I'd say Purdue is pretty close to leaping Nebraska, but the lack of a single four-star player (on any service) makes it tough to justify that move unless they pick up a couple more commits.
|#13 Illinois - 8 Commits|
No new commits for the Illini. Joseph Spencer picks up a three-star rating from ESPN. Zach Jackson and Joey Warburg each get three stars from 24/7.
I'd have to say yes, but that's assuming those averages stay the same and Michigan doesn't pick up any new commits of their own. I think it's going to be a while before anyone seriously challenges U-M's top spot in the rankings, but as we near signing day the gap will certainly close.
First, our class will likely be pretty big at this point, possibly 27 or 28, and I don't think ND will have that much room.
Also, ND is way behind us in commits right now, so to catch us they would need their remaining recruits to be at the same level as the ones they have so far. Totally possible, but having a high star rating for 13 recruits is not as easy as doing it for 25. Considering we have a pretty good idea who our last 4-6 recruits will be, our averages won't fall.
ND probably has 9-10 spots left, averages will probably go up the way it looks to close out, more 4 than 3 star types
I think the consensus right now is closer to 7-8, although if ND has a couple of transfers at some point this year that could change. ND is clearly targeting high skill guys, so I do agree with Irish that ND will be taking more 4/5 star type talent than 3 star from here out - but some of that will depend on how good of a year ND actually has. The Keith Marshall's of the world are probably going to need ND to "prove it" before jumping on board.
I doubt ND can catch UMs ranking this year, although some of that will have to do with the difference in the sizes of the classes (21-22 vs. 27+).
Ace you have been doing a wonderful job with the blog so far. You haven't missed a beat and we are truley lucky to have you here. Thanks for the great work.
Much appreciated. Doing the best I can -- trust me when I say I've worked as hard as I ever have in my life this past week, and I hope that shows in the content.
Hey Ace, with all the attrition from the incoming freshman, do you feel we'll lose any of our commits? Any chance Richardson can get snake oiled?
Why would attrition cause recruits to leave? Wouldn't that be even more reason for them to stay on since there are fewer guys in the class ahead of them?
Unless Richardson takes any visits, I'm not worried about him leaving this class. Not saying that won't happen, but I don't think there's any point in worrying about it until he starts seriously looking around, and he's not doing that right now.
If anything, the attrition of the incoming freshmen probably helps recruiting ... more spots, more playing time.
As long as UM is consistent on the field he should be solid. As long as there aren't long drawn out winless streaks, that's what caused slot of drama for ND last year
Just wondering, Barnett was actually a guy Hoke recruited. He had a really good chance of playing early and still left.
He was 278 lbs. and coming off a knee injury. If you mean "early" as in 2012, then yeah, he had a chance to play early. But he wasn't going to be a big contributor this season, if at all.
Yeah i dont know why it just pisses me off when Michigan coaches bust their humps in recruiting and recruits end up transferring. We still have Ricardo Miller we will be ok.
well in my humble opinion adding a combination of Banner, Garnett, Diamond, Darboh,Maderis, Payton, Obrien, Wright, Dunn, will make it very hard for anyone in the BIG to pass us. Ok A-Holes tell me who i forgot to add.....
How about Jerry rice, red grange and mean Joe Greene?
I heard Tom Brady might have found a loophole to transfer back, but we might have to backdate him to 1997.
Good call on Grange. I seem to remember reading a recruiting piece on Rivals that people try to hit him and it's like they grab nothing but air.
Next time trust your instincts and don't give the joke away in the title. You'll receive a coveted El Jeffe appreciative head bob for your efforts.
How important is on-the-field performance going to be this season in bringing our top remaining targets to Ann Arbor? It seemed like last year we were in on a lot of big time recruits who fell off when we started losing. I can see where kids want to go somewhere where they are going to win, but I can also see the angle where they want to go somewhere where they are going to have a shot at playing early. I think it was a bigger deal last season because a dissapointing season = coaching instability, whereas this year a dissapointing season = transitional year (not that that would happen because, like Hoke said, this is Michigan). My thought is that a good season this year would help sway some of our remaining targets our way and help lock-up the top B1G recruiting class, but I am curious to hear how big of an impact, if any, you think this will have?
Doc, that type of effect will be on a recruit-by-recruit basis -- it really depends on the kid. I think most of the players in this class are sold on the coaching staff and helping rebuild the program, so I don't think some on-field struggles will change that; if anything, it gives them more reason to think they can come in and have an immediate effect on the field. These guys know that Michigan is coming off a rough three-year stretch and this is the first year for the new coaching staff. If they committed expecting the Wolverines to contend for/win a Big Ten title this season or they would go elsewhere, then Brady Hoke has a very dumb recruiting strategy. I highly doubt that is the case.
As for the uncommitted guys, I'm sure success on the field can only help bring in some of the bigger names left on the board. Again, however, I think Hoke is selling these guys on a chance to restore a great program at a great school, so wins are not the only thing these recruits will be looking at when making their choice. The staff is selling the whole package that Michigan offers, and I'm not sure how much effect it will have if Michigan finishes 7-5 instead of 9-3, just to throw out a hypothetical.
Still I miss my Sunday night ritual of waiting for certain Mr. VH's weekly update. Hope you will get that going soon.
I wonder if it makes sense to use their ESPN ranking from when they were in high school? I know it's not ideal (Cam Newton at 21 after two seasons at Florida ≠ Cam Newton at 17), but it might better represent the classes with regard to each recruit's ESPN-perceived potential as of when they were in high school.
Should boost NDs rankings. I look forward to seeing us close strong in recruiting picking up 4 or 5 stars. Go Blue!!
David picked up his 4th star on Rivals. He is listed above as a 3 star Rivals.