but I didn't go to Michigan. I think this is long overdue. Giving graduates only 5 points was joke. Even though this hurts me, it's the right thing to do.
"You know how Kyle Flood still has a job? Yeah, all Jourdan."
Beginning in 2013, the Priority Points system will be modified to give more points to Michigan alums and athletes. Specifically, the priority points for one alumnus(a) will increase from 5 points to 20 points and the priority points for one athlete will increase from 10 points to 40 points. Alumni couples and athlete couples may combine their points to a max of 40 points and 80 points for each such category, respectively. [Chart below highlights these changes (note: an athlete is also assumed to be an alum for purposes of the calculations below). The plus numbers are netted as compared to current point values for their respective categories.]
This will cause significant priority point inflation for alums and athletes (and conversely, depreciation for non-alums and non-athletes). The magnitude of this change can be extrapolated into dollars by converting 1 point to $100 (i.e., which is the conversion rate based on direct donations to Michigan Athletics), which results in a net benefit to single alums in the amount of $1,500... and to athlete/alum couples of $9,000, etc.
Given that the current (as of 2012 based on the Michigan website) median for priority points is 21.2, this is a huge change.
What are your thoughts re: whether this is an appropriate change to properly value a Michigan degree and/or varsity athletic involvement? Does this unfairly affect the Michigan fans who are not alums?
but I didn't go to Michigan. I think this is long overdue. Giving graduates only 5 points was joke. Even though this hurts me, it's the right thing to do.
This is just something that goes along with supporting a university you love, but did not attend. It's unfortunate, it sucks, but it's their club and they get to make the rules.
Also, all of you guys who want to come to my fake non-existant restaurant who AREN'T left-handed will from now on have to sit in the crappy seats next to the bathroom. Also, it's a mexican restaurant, so good luck.
Also, right now I get 10 points as I have 2 degrees from Michigan. Will I get 40 or just 20 now?
Source is "Annual Giving Guide" on MGoBlue.com (click on "Support", then search for the annual giving guide under one of the tabs, in case you're interested). I also received a hard copy in the mail with a "Those Who Stay" decal thanking me for this year's gifts, etc.).
Looks like I will just go to 20 as an Alumnus.
They also changed the annual donation levels. For Example: golf course access went from $1500 to $2500, and away game ticket offers went from $500 to $1500.
I think the PSD is probably going up next week. They just wanted to give us some good news first.
Does anyone know how I can check what my current priority points total is? Because I'm curious and want to see if they count my alumni points. Do I need to email someone?
Log on through MGoBlue (click sign-in then put in your user/pw). You have to link your ticket account, if you haven't done so yet.
Exactly where do you login through MGoBlue to check priority points? Thanks in advance.
1. Sign-in to your account. If you're having problems doing this, then click on buy tickets and then there will be a sign-in link on the upper right.
2. Once signed-in, click on "My Account".
3. In the center of the page, it should say "View My Priority Points".
The changes being discussed here don't take effect until February or March 2013.
I welcome more points as an alum. I've been buying season tickets off of someone else who has a few pair for the last few years. I'd love to get my own and maybe not sit in the endzone every season.
of current ticket holders, per the Annual Giving Guide:
Top 250 individuals: 2,028.49 points
Top 1%: 1,365.81
Top 5%: 326.65
Top 10%: 174.67
Yup, those were the numbers that I used in my "Current" column. I didn't use the top 250 number because it didn't chart well since it was unclear what fraction of the top percentile that included.
I should have looked back up at your post again! You tricked me by putting it from lowest to highest instead of highest to lowest!
Lol sorry. I actually did it that way so I could chart it on Excel (but I'm too technically unsavvy to post the chart up here). It's a very steep tail for the big givers, but my conclusion was that I think being around the 50th percentile would get you pretty good seats for most events (considering how large the stadiums are).
To check points:
Www.mgoblue.com click on tickets, my account, sign in, then click tickets again, view priority points.
1. I am a non-alum w/ 35 points for those who were wondering about non alum pt totals.
2. Domestic partners, if athletes/alums are dom partners it will count provided they have Ann Arbor domestic partner ppwk. In all other cases you must be married - my GF's points can't help me.
3. The points are applied only to the current name on the ticket. When my grandfather was old M gave us the opportunity to transfer the tickets to me, but we forfeited his alum/athlete letter-winner/60+ years of donations/tickets points. Which is sad because man those points would help me.
Yup. Priority Points are like ITunes music or Frequent Flyer miles.... they die with the named beneficiary (unless transferred like you mentioned).
Unless of course, you marry and divorce the girl who would become your future daughter-in-law (with corresponding transfers of points upon marriage and divorce). Your son would end up with your priority points, but then your family would have all sorts of other problems....
The ticket office told me the points do not transfer with the tickets, but I can marry and add her name, which would add her points. However I get nothing for Grandpa, Dad, and the 6 other family members who are alums/athletes. Is that what you are saying too?
Yes. You can combine husband/wife (or domestic partner) points, but not other family members.
I was making a joke in my second sentence... basically saying that if John marries Jane and they later divorce (and if the points ended up going to Jane per the divorce decree), then Jane can marry John Jr. (John's son from a previous marriage), and then you've essentially done a 2-step transfer of points from John to John Jr. by virtue of marrying the same woman, Jane.
It was a joke and I hope no one actually does that to facilitate a transfer of points, haha.
I'm new to this whole points system and had a few questions. Do you have to make the initial $500 donation to then get the 20 alum points, or are they just given to every alum? My wife graduated from UofM Flint, is she eligible for the 20 points? And then probably redundant, but if she is eligible, does she have to make a seperate $500 donation to get her 20 alum points?
It will be interesting what the extra points will do to the points as a whole. I graduated 2 years ago and never even thought about trying to get season tickets, but it seems like a $1000 donation could get me 50 points and potentially a chance to buy season tickets. If it attracts more people like me, then it should make the university a lot of money.
Congrats on your first post!
Q1. Not sure. You can try opening your MGoBlue.com account and check if you already have your alum points in there. I think technically even a $10 donation would get your account running because that would count as 0.1 point. Then with your alum points, it would be 20.1 (in 2013).
Q2. No clue on treatment of UofM Flint. You should probably call the ticket office with that question.
Q3. If she is eligible, you do NOT need to donate a separate amount for her. For example, my account is officially titled "Mr. John and Jane Doe" so you are seen as one entity in the points world.
says you no longer need to donate to activate points.
Yup, but that rule is effective starting next year. So today, you still need to activate points w/ a donation.
The $500 donation is to be placed on the football season ticket interest list. Without making the donation you still get your alumni points. It used to be $100 annually to activate your points but they just got rid of that rule.
My wife and I met at Michigan. We've been donating to the Michigan Engineering Fund for over 20 years. The Engineering School knows we are valued alums. At last, we get some credit for being good alums when we actually give money to specific schools or programs instead of to the athletic dept.
has been 1 point per $1000 for awhile.
This change is meaningless to me personally, because I will never again have season tickets. However, I do fall in a category that is a significant subset of alumni: I am working in a field where I will never be well off financially. This is a personal choice, which I made and am very happy with. However, I think that there are many graduates of Michigan who fall in this category:
Obviously, none of the above are poverty stricken: they all have decent salary levels. But, if you are making 40,000 - 50,000 a year, you don't have a lot of disposable income for good seat locations at Michigan. You aren't a well heeled doctor or lawyer or titan in the business world. (And there are plenty of lawyers who struggle too.)
The point is, I think it is a completely reasonable and appropriate policy to reward those who have worked to earn a degree, and even moreso, those who have been part of a varsity team at Michigan.
p.s. At first, I thought this post was going to be a change in policy so that students who don't show up at games are banished to Siberia (Bolivia?) and conversely, students who are on time and go to games are given priority of better seats!!
EDIT: *double post, slow internet*
Well as a student this looks good for me once I graduate, but I'm curious as to what made them switch to give alumni the huge boost. Obviously they want to support the alumni, but are there a lot of alumni out there who can't get tickets because of not enough points?
Any UM alums interested in doubling our points? I'm gainfully employed and (mostly) house-broken.
What you're saying is that my wife owes me a lot of money so I can "donate" it to get the points I would've gotten if she'd gone to Michigan. Is that right?
That's just basic logic.
I like this. I got student season tickets every year I was a student, which I previously didn't get credit for. Now I do. So, cool.
I like it!
Not only does it matter in seat location, it matters to the parking lots. If you have enough points you get into one of the closer athletic department lots. I don't think the prices change with your location so it's a big deal whether you have more points. You could be by the tennis building down State street or by Oosterbaan and Yost.
With the money we sunk into the U the least they can do is give us a little credit for it.
as the fact they are giving me more credit for being smart and marrying my wife who is an alum as well! Bonus!!
Reduce the student section. Offer 1 priority point for every student who comes on time to a game his/her freshman year. All freshmen get tix. Sophomores and up collect priority points and can only buy tix if they have enough from freshman year. As they get more they get better seats, so loyal seniors have front row.
My account says I have 10 points for my degree (I only have one UM degree). Thus thread says it is currently 5 points and will move to 20. Ao it appears I was accidentally gifted an extra 5 points? My UM degree is a bachelor's degree.
Same thing for me. The only thing I can think is that both my mother and father got degrees.
stub hub/ street > season tix
My family has had the same tickets on the sideline since 1963. About 8 years ago they were transferred into my name.
I attended college elsewhere due to Title 9, I would have loved to go to Michigan but I also valued my sport and the opportunity I was given to play it. I have been reading through these threads on the issue, and while both my grandparents and parents went to Michigan, and I am currently considering an EMBA program there in the next few years; frankly the "Michigan" arrogance has come out from some posters here.
I have donated several thousand dollars to the University yearly-generally to Motts or the Archaeology department.. I have paid for Michigan Football and Basketball tickets, bought tickets to give away to charities, done pretty much all I could for the University. However, I am now basically told by the University "fuck off or pay up" more. (Especially since as a resident of Michigan my tax dollars also go to the University- Any priority points for that?)
This attitude is really starting to discourage me for cheering for the Wolverines or even attending Michigans EMBA program.
glad to see that I am not the only one that thinks this is crazy.
Also I apologize for the poor grammar and misspelling, I still haven't got the hang of these newfangled iPhones.
For one, if you're donating several thousand dollars a year, and been paying for season tickets, you should have more than enough points to get what you need from them. With relatively few points (initially), I was able to get season tickets, and have twice moved into what are essentially the best possible locations for the Preferred Seating Donation I have chosen to make.
[Edit - this is a reply to GWUWolverineFan]
You, sir, are a Michigan Man, just like any alum.
This change, like any change that benefits one group over another, has pros and cons and those can be debated. But, I think at the heart of the matter, we have to recognize that the underlying point system was simply created as a means to say "Thank You" to the donors, alums, athletes and other supporters of Michigan.
I donate to Michigan because I appreciate the school and all the experiences that I had while there (whether at football games or in the classroom). Your reason to donate could be based on totally different experiences, but each of our reasons is legitimate and worthy.
That being said, placing points on any action or affiliation is always going to be arbitrary. The points are not the end goal; but rather, the end goal is supporting Michigan.
[Edit - my second response to GWUWolverineFan]
I responded to this generally above, but I also wanted to respond to your specific points.
- Gifts to the Archaeology department (and maybe, Motts, I'm not sure) gets you 1 point for each $1,000 donation, just like any gift to the Law School, Business School or LSA.
- If you have season tickets, you get 1 point for each consecutive year of each season ticketed sport that you have.
- I don't think this change to the point system was intended to hurt non-alums (although it could put non-alums at a 15 point disadvantage compared to a UofM alum).
- You get zero points for your tax dollars to the State of Michigan. First, Michigan Athletics gets zero support from the University of Michigan and zero support from the State of Michigan (source: Annual Giving Guide). Second, your taxes are mandatory obligations that you have based on your earning of income in the State of Michigan (for example, if your income was zero, then your taxes paid to the State of Michigan would also be zero). FYI - your taxes (theoretically) pay for services that you and your fellow state citizens utilize.
- I apologize if there is any Michigan arrogance in any of my posts and I hope that doesn't dissuade you from choosing Michigan as a potential EMBA school. Good luck and Go Blue!
My point is, this clearly meant to hurt non-alum ticket holders.
I was already screwed last time for basketball tickets, ending up behind the backboards. So the initial program hurt me there.
My issue isn't so much my own situation, this system means i will end up more selective in my general charitable giving. My issue is rather the premise that a public institution would in effec discriminate against the general public.
Also the posts which have been made basically saying "fuck non alums".
Frankly the arrogance I have seen over the last five years (including being personally insulted by Michigan fans) is what pushes me further from the programs. I wish it would end, as I growing up in Ann Arbor never saw this sort of treatment of non alums except in the past few years.
and I don't have any problem with this. Graduates deserve a significant advantage in regards to season tickets and seat location over non alums. They paid a ridiculous amount in tuition.
BUT WHAT OF THE DROP OUTS WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THE ALUMNI ASSOCIATION?
I've activated my points system and now I plan on donating 100 dollars a month.
My only question is when I go donate more, how does it track it back to my victors account?
do I have to click on the online giving account and creat a friend account or can I just click on annual contribution and donate whatever amount and it links via email address?
How does PSD work?
what would your step by step process to donate and make sure the points link up to your account? thanks a lot!