2009 MSU and What it Means for Michigan

to MGoGreen

some green points?

I thought I told you to put him on the back porch and leave him tied up today. He keeps craping on the carpet.

Let's worry about ND before MSU. And even Western for that matter. We could be 2-2 going to play in EL. I think Iowa, Illinois, and Minnesota could be better (depends on their schedules-I haven't looked at them). MSU could lose at Wisconsin. They could go anywhere from 7-5 to 10-2.

Always a ton of hype before the season starts followed by letdown....

Please people, no more stuff on MSU. We only talk about Michigan. I don't care anything about MSU's football team. We'll scout them the week we play them. Until then, please I'm asking for no more on MSU.

CMU is much tougher than EMU. MSU could easily lose that game.

for one, I appreciate the breakdown of what returns at each position

I hope your right about MSU losing to ND.
Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like MSU plays their best and hits their hardest against ND.

Could someone who has more time and knowledge than me please write something about the OSU game (or anyone else besides MSU)? Seriously, I think we've all given state much more attention than they deserve.

I don't know about MSU winning the last four straight against CMU, aren't the Chips on a winning streak against State?

And yes, I agree: no more on Sparty. I've heard enough from State people about how "we're obsessed with them now." Please let that not be the case.

They need to win the Big Ten/go to the Rose Bowl another 10-15 times before they deserve any credibility.

Why you givin little bro the time of day? Just cuz they beated us once in a 1000 years. We the best. Tate is gonna win the hisman. State ain't got ringer and now they suck. The spread option is the best option. RR rulz! Were gonna win 10 games this year and 13 next. Natinal champs!

8-4 (5-3) = best case scenario for sparty this year

Why wouldn't you guys be worried about MSU. Ohio State is your number one rival, got it. But MSU is the biggest threat to keeping Mich from being a top team again. I know you don't think it can happen but there were times when USC was fighting for bowl games and look at Nebraska.

Also I know you guys think because MSU lost Ringer and Hoyer that they will be terrible on the O but heres a fact for you. MSU was 9th in the Big Ten in Rushing last season and Hoyer didn't even pass for 10 TD's last season. QB will be a major upgrade this year and RB is not a position where just one player plays, its more like WR then QB. MSU boasts alot more depth then they did a year ago.

You believe the MSU will lose to ND but, they have owned them in South Bend. You believe the Wolverines will beat ND but they have a VERY good secondary and experienced LB corp. Those are the reasons you state that MSU may win. They also have the ability to "blow anyone out of the water" with a junior QB of 20+ starts and the nation's best receiving corp (Sporting News). Please tell me why you think we will win. The back who was successful (McGuffie) last year against ND is no longer here. I'm a realist, are you just hoping or can U-M control the ball for 30 + minutes and keep the defense off the field. Can we catch a punt or kickoff yet? Punting the ball 50 yds after 3 & out is not an offense. I need to see U-M smash the Broncos before I count any wins.

I can easily see them being 2-2 heading into the Michigan game. Bielema is on the hot seat, and they have a loss to avenge from last year.

msu has beat ND @ ND pretty handily the last couple years but I see things clicking for ND this time around.

That, and I would love to see the Freep headlines after they go 2-3. I might actually buy a paper.

Obviously I don't care for either MSU or UM, but this: "Mark Dantonio was the DC for OSU when they won their NC (only after McGahee blew out his knee). He is going to ride his defense this year for his record." seems like really ridiculous criticism of Dantonio. Whatever you think of him (I think he's a great defensive guy, but perhaps not such a great head coach), it's hard to argue that OSU only beat Miami (yes, that Miami) because of an injury. I'm happy to criticize Dantonio for being mouthy or for a lack of accountability or discipline (all of which is true). I think you've chosen, however, the weakest criticism possible.

In addition, I doubt MSU's defense improves over last year's D. They've got a couple decent LBs, but otherwise they're not much to write home about. I suspect their offense, however, will improve without having to rely upon Ringer. They've shown the willingness and ability to throw; I doubt they regress in terms of pure point and yardage volume.

I just don't think Dantonio will ever really have the talent at State to "ride his defense to success". The only way they're going to compete in the Big Ten is the odd year when they have an up tick in both offensive and defensive talent. They're never going to dominate in either category (warning: assumption here based upon historical recruiting).