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Zack Novak's Night

By Brian — February 21st, 2011 at 3:33 PM — 71 comments
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This is amazing:

Novak fouled out on three obvious charges (2, 3, 5), a blocking foul (1), and one that could go either way(4). The ones where Novak was in position but only got a glancing blow should probably be no-calls, actually. This is why John Beilein—John Beilein!—got a technical foul in Iowa City. In other news, I hate college basketball refereeing.

Also Michigan won in OT against Iowa. The hockey kind of sucked up my attention. Tim Hardaway Jr… dude. This is my analysis. Dude.

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February 21st, 2011 at 3:35 PM | Fuck Ed (Score:1)
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Fuck Ed Hightower.

Seriously, fuck that dude

Harvard: The MICHIGAN of the East

We're not arrogant, we're just better.

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February 21st, 2011 at 4:04 PM | By brand (Score:1)
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you mean letting teams getting away with fouls down low while calling tick-tacky fouls out in the permetier and having the conference being the slowest paced confernce in the country.  Then yes, the Big 10 thinks that having Eddie around is good for the "brand"

 

Big 10 basketball is almost unwatchable because of low paced game and piss-poor reffing.

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February 21st, 2011 at 5:20 PM | It has to be slow... (Score:1)
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Otherwise everyone would foul out by half time if they actually ran up and down the floor.  Well, not everyone, whichever team Ed Ass Hole Hightower has decided should win the game will have all 5 starters in play.

 

Side Note: My step-dad, a rabid tOSU fan, hates Ed Hightower, it's actually at the point where he'll turn off the TV if he's reffing.  When Michigan fans and tOSU fans can agree on something relating to officials it's quite obvious the guy sucks...

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February 21st, 2011 at 7:43 PM | All teams hate Hightower (Score:1)
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My MSU brother hates him as well.  Maybe hatrid for Hightower can reach beyond sports, perhaps he can help us see past our petty differences and prevent some future wars and help to all sing kumbaya together.

4/23/13 - Denard Robinson's NFL Future, Part II

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February 21st, 2011 at 11:55 PM | No Groban? (Score:1)
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No Groban?

Abort, Retry, Fail?

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February 21st, 2011 at 5:26 PM | The Brand (Score:1)
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Of course (not arguing with you), the Big Ten also thought this was good for the brand:

  • "Of course I care about that stuff.  To the point of irrationality.  It will always be Michigan first, cancer second."  Jim Mandich (RIP)
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February 21st, 2011 at 3:49 PM | Ed Hightower wakes up in the morning (Score:1)
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has his coffee. 

 

And then has explosive diarhea all over Big Ten Basketball games. The man and his colleauges have absolutely no business calling games in the Big Ten.

Hide ya kids, hide ya wife.

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February 21st, 2011 at 6:36 PM | Or anywhere, for that matter. (Score:1)
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Or anywhere, for that matter.

not just "douchey" MGoBlog user, but now TRUSTED MGoBlog user

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February 21st, 2011 at 3:41 PM | We won though. Can't hold a (Score:1)
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We won though. Can't hold a good team down , even if they do have six players on the court including ed

Hot girls we have problems too. We're just like you. Except we're hot.

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February 21st, 2011 at 3:43 PM | Best recap ever.  Dude (Score:1)
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Best recap ever.  Dude

"I hope I can get a bunch of championships - like 15"

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February 21st, 2011 at 3:46 PM | When really good character (Score:1)
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When really good character coaches get T'd up it is usually about protecting their players. Coach K got one the other night too. His guy basically got a cheap shot elbow to the head area and had a fould called against him.

At that point these coaches go into what I call "Dad-mode." You can toss them and T them up, but you are going to get an ear full about how it is your job as a ref to make sure this game is played without anyone getting hurt. I think that is why Coach B blew up because at a certain point it becomes less about the outcome and more about these coaches truly caring for the well being of their kids. Novak was taking a beating and it was getting to the point that the refs control of the game was being comprimised.
 

This is just another reason why I think we have a really great coach for our basketball team.

or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

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February 21st, 2011 at 3:50 PM | Beilein is great. (Score:1)
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Forgot where I read it, but someone who watched the game behind the M bench said that Novak might have been playing with a concussion. I can't believe Hightower and his henchmen let that go on.

Hide ya kids, hide ya wife.

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February 21st, 2011 at 4:21 PM | That could have been tired (Score:1)
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That could have been tired legs.  Novak played most of the game at the 4 due to Smotrycz's ineffectiveness, and then the game went into overtime.

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February 21st, 2011 at 4:24 PM | I don't think either Beilein (Score:1)
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I don't think either Beilein or the trainer would allow Novak to play with concussion symptoms.  (I'm not sure a concussed player would have had the presence of mind to take all those charges, anyway.)  I think he just had a tough night.

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February 21st, 2011 at 9:58 PM | Wolv in Iowa was at the game, (Score:1)
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Ia Wolv was at the game, I believe, and sat behind the Michigan bench, and stated that he was fairly certain Novak got a concussion, but that it slipped past the coaches. It was in the thread from Saturday night entitled "Thoughts from Carver Hawkeye" or something like that.

EDIT: It's in this thread, and there are a couple comments about it. Anecdotal, obviously, but this is where I believe the genesis of this thought occurred on this board: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/observations-carver-hawkeye-arena

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February 22nd, 2011 at 12:15 AM | Anything apparent enough to a (Score:1)
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Anything apparent enough to a fan is going to be apparent enough to our team's medical staff.  I'm going to assume he did not have a concussion.

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February 21st, 2011 at 6:36 PM | Hightower (Score:1)
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I am pretty sure that Hightower had a concussion too.

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February 21st, 2011 at 8:42 PM | You have to have something (Score:1)
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To concuss first. Ed doesn't have anything to concuss.

Born in Oklahoma
Raised in Ohio
Escaped to Meechigan

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February 22nd, 2011 at 4:09 PM | I think.... (Score:1)
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you might be confusing concussion symptoms with brain damage in this case.

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February 21st, 2011 at 3:46 PM | I hate Hightower.  When he (Score:1)
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I hate Hightower.  When he first started out he used to ref at small NAIA schools, of which one I was a ballboy for as a child.  He was a prick, even then, when he was doing games 100 people were at.

Those Novak calls almost caused me to break my TV.  They weren't even close. 

I've been called the songbird of my generation, by those who have heard me. THAT GOOD

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February 21st, 2011 at 3:51 PM | My best friend holds our (Score:1)
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My best friend holds our highschool's record for most charges taken in a game, season and career. I don't think they track it at the conference level or I'm sure he'd have that too.

Got a text from him halfway through the game that Novak was being absolutely hosed by the refs on the blocking calls. He said at least 2 should have been called charges, if not more, but at the very least they should have been no-calls.

College basketball refs are ruining college basketball. Let the players play, and only call a foul IF YOU SEE IT. I'm getting pretty miffed at clean blocks being called fouls because the ref wasn't in position. 

If they're going to keep calling fouls at this rate, the NCAA needs to bump the limit up to 6....

end rant

Pronounced Ahh-Neh-Muh

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February 21st, 2011 at 3:50 PM | Good lord, those were all bad (Score:1)
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Good lord, those were all bad calls.  It's like Hightower came in trying to find calls to make on Novak.

"I don't see how having someone piss on my face is going to help me sell Lou Ferrigno's house."

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February 21st, 2011 at 3:52 PM | Someone send this video to that piece of shit Ed Hightower. (Score:1)
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That man give me a case of the RAGE.

Hide ya kids, hide ya wife.

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February 21st, 2011 at 3:55 PM | What about the restricted area? (Score:1)
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Did the refs just think that he was in the restricted area?  Or do they think those were regular blocking fouls (even though they weren't)?  Is it a different foul if you're in the restricted area?  These are nuances of basketball that I don't completely understand.

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February 21st, 2011 at 3:58 PM | three and five he's too far (Score:1)
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three and five he's too far under the basket, and although ncaa doesnt have the actual court marking, they do sorta have the rule

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February 21st, 2011 at 4:01 PM | Duke (Score:1)
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does make a living taking charges that is close to under the basket and draw a lot of charge calls in their favor.

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February 21st, 2011 at 4:12 PM | Honest question (Score:1)
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I don't know the details of the restricted area, so I have a question: 

Isn't the restricted area only valid if you are attempting a shot? Thus, shouldn't it be irrelevant for #3 since Gatens is trying to pass (around Novak, running him over in the process, dear God) instead of shoot?

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February 21st, 2011 at 4:16 PM | responding to both- uh, (Score:1)
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responding to both-

uh, we're not exactly duke

and the shooting vs passing question is above my pay grade.  as far as i know the rule is pretty murky in general.  i just dont think youre going to get a charge call standing under the basket like that

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February 22nd, 2011 at 4:14 PM | hmmm.... (Score:1)
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"Fuck the J, take it to the hole"...TWSS?

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February 21st, 2011 at 4:00 PM | Maybe 1 or 2 (Score:1)
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I could understand if Novak was called for a block on maybe 1 or 2 of those, given the fast pace of the game. However, they were called consistently against Novak. Use some 50/50 logic on the bang-bang plays. Call half of them blocks, and half charges if they are close. Or, god forbid, swallow the whistle and let the kids play some Big Ten basketball.

This is MICHIGAN

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February 21st, 2011 at 4:14 PM | Wow (Score:1)
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That last one was BS!

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February 21st, 2011 at 4:26 PM | #5 (Score:1)
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On the 5th foul, I ran it in super slow-mo about 10 times to determine if Novak was set or not before the pass was caught.  It is pretty close...After the catch, of course, is a full turn, step, shoulder dip.....blocking?!?   2nd worst call of the day.

Worst (non) call was a hoop in the post for Iowa with about 3-5 minutes left in regulation. Full step, hop to jump stop, step. foot slips/2 foot hop to same pivot foot, step, layup.  Tie game.

Question.  If a player is inside the imaginary circle under the basket, is it a no-call or a block if he is set?

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February 21st, 2011 at 5:14 PM | I believe it's a no-call (Score:1)
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I think they do that deal like they do in the NBA where they just tell the player to get up but I may be wrong (and I'm sure if I am someone will find it).

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February 21st, 2011 at 4:42 PM | I watch a lot of college (Score:1)
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I watch a lot of college basketball, which does not make me any kind of expert, but I have no idea what is a charge and what is a block. These calls have to be the most ticky tack you will see. It really is frustrating and can take away from the game at times.

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February 21st, 2011 at 4:52 PM | #s 3,4,5 were extremely bad (Score:1)
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#s 3,4,5 were extremely bad calls.

#s 1 and 2 were close, as Novak was still establishing his feet, it seemed.  1 and 2 are a toss up though, 3,4,5 were just really bad calls.

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February 21st, 2011 at 5:01 PM | Ed Hightower (Score:1)
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lol

When I was in Bloomington in the early 1990s, we used to joke that Bobby Knight had Hightower in his back pocket. I dont know who owns him now. Or if he just makes crappy calls on purpose to fuck with the fans.

 

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February 21st, 2011 at 5:17 PM | college basketball is barely (Score:1)
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college basketball is barely above impossible to watch.  between the awful officiating and the senseless timeouts every four minutes, these games have no rhythm and no flow to them.  also, the last minute of a game is the most disgusting period of any sport

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February 21st, 2011 at 5:34 PM | TO's (Score:1)
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You are very right when it comes to the gagillion timeouts they take in college bball. I don't even watch games live anymore because the BTN interrupts the game every two minutes to show their dumb commercials. I tihnk teams each get five TO's, then you add the media TO's to that, and it's just a stilted mess with almost no flow.

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February 21st, 2011 at 5:22 PM | Is Ed Hightower (Score:1)
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a Leader or a Legend?

Also, shouldn't his last name be spelled H1Ghtower?  Then we could call him H1G.  H1G in the B1G.

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February 21st, 2011 at 5:35 PM | Legend (Score:1)
I Bleed Maize N Blue
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He's no mere pile of crap - he's a legendary mountain of it.

He's been on the shitlist since they were etched in stone.

Michigan Resurgent?  Michigan Resurgent!

The beatings will continue until the uniforms improve!

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February 21st, 2011 at 5:42 PM | ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ (Score:1)
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There are few things less interesting than people whining about their team getting hosed by the officials.

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February 21st, 2011 at 5:45 PM | One of those things is, of course, (Score:1)
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people commenting on it.

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February 21st, 2011 at 5:57 PM | There is a difference (Score:1)
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between using the refs as an excuse for losing and complaining about them after a win.

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February 21st, 2011 at 8:07 PM | Why the assumption that (Score:1)
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Why the assumption that complaints about officiating are automatically related to calls going against a team?

It's not terribly hard to be an objective observer and see that Big Ten officiating, Hightower in particular is pretty poor, especially relative to other conferences.

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February 22nd, 2011 at 4:18 PM | Actually... (Score:1)
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having read many of your posts over the years I can honestly say that I find reading them far less interesting than reading about shitty reffing. Actually, reading your posts is right there with sticking bamboo shoots under my finger nails and listening to fingernails on a chalkboard.

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February 21st, 2011 at 5:55 PM | Restricted area (Score:1)
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There is an imaginary arc around the basket in which you cannot be called for charging.  At least two of those fouls (2and 3) almost surely were because Zack was inside of it.  He's almost directly under the basket on them.   I'd guess that at least one more that was borderline was called because of that, too.

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February 21st, 2011 at 5:54 PM | I would have told Zach to put his hands down- (Score:1)
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if he was going to take the charge.

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February 21st, 2011 at 6:19 PM | does it matter? (Score:1)
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does it matter?

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We're not arrogant, we're just better.

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February 21st, 2011 at 6:26 PM | Basketball Officiating (Score:1)
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Basketball Officiating 101

Not to be all-knowing, but as a hoops ref I thought I'd share some knowledge/experience on these calls since I don't think many people understand why it takes to draw a charge.

In order for it to be a charge, the defender must establist and maintain legal guarding positoin (LGP).  To establish LGP you must:

  1. Be completely in bounds
  2. Have two feet on the floor
  3. Have your torso facing the offensive player*

Once this is established, you may moves backwards and side-to-side to maintain position (thus the whole "he wasn't set" usually means nothing.  you don't have to be set to take a charge, given you've established LGP prior).  You may also jump vertically.

To draw a charge on a shooter, you must establish LGP prior to the shooter leaving the floor.

So, with this I'll run through my opinion on these.

1. Clearly a block.  Novak is there late and causes the contact.

2. Block.  Note the asterisk.  Novak never establishes legal guarding position because he never has his torso facing the defender prior to the defender leaving the ground.  I had to look at this about 20 times.  It's not an easy judgement to make. 

3. Block.  You need to slow this one down.  When the player begins to leave the floor, Novak has not established LGP.  Between the split second the offensive player begins to elevate and the contact is made, Novak moves toward the offensive player.  You can move backward and side to side.  Not toward the ball handler.  Great call.

4. Block/Charge?.  This is tough because we can't see the angle the official has.  I'm not 100% sure it's a charge, though that's prob what I would have called..  The real problem here is the official is in poor position - he's rotated late and is calling this play from a straight-lined position.  Not good.  He'll get a note on his evaluation for that.

5. Charge.  This is the only call I really don't understand how the official called a block on.  He was in position, Novak had his LGP and did not "move into" the block like he did in 3.

 

Long story short: The officials actually made some pretty good calls on these bang-bang plays with the fifth foul being the exception.  This is the toughest call to make in basketball and it certainly isn't easy to do it in real time.

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February 21st, 2011 at 10:23 PM | Question... (Score:1)
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Somewhat of a tangent, but you seem to actually know what your talking about.  So a few questions.

1.  How likely do you think a defensive player is to draw a charge if they don't fall down?  I play a lot of rec basketball and I never get a charge call.  I'm convinced it's because at age 32 with a family, I refuse to throw myself backwards onto the ground.  It's just not worth it.  I get in arguments with refs all the time trying to convince them if I'm in position and the guy plows through me, whether or not I fall isn't relevant to the fact that it's a charge.

2.  Is there any actual rule about being "straight up" with your hands when playing defense.  I have been called for fouls when a defender jumped into me and hit my outstretched arms and the ref says I wasn't straight up.  If I read your definition above right, as long as I'm square to the defender and on the ground, the angle of my arms shouldn't matter if he initiates the contact and I don't move.  

I realize I'll probably never get these calls, but I think I'm right.

One other thought with Novak.  I think he should stop throwing himself backwards like that.  If you're going to get called for a block, you might as well stand in there and not go down so easily.  I feel like the shot is a lot less likely to go in if the offensive player actually has to push you down instead of you flopping.

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