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Your Stupid, Stupid Minds

By Brian — May 20th, 2009 at 10:02 AM — 106 comments

stupid_cat stupid-2

So the Capstone Report, an Alabama blog run by people who have carved stomas into their necks because mouthbreathing is beyond them, thinks that this Rodriguez quote from the weekend…

"Stay tuned. There's a couple guys I'm gonna sit with here. Just guys that maybe if they're not doing all their responsibilities and doing what they need to do to be part of our football program may not be back. I hope that's not too many."

…is the same as Nick Saban's flood of suspicious medical redshirts and unexplained transfers. There's no amount of careful monosyllabic explanation that will get the point across to them so I'll dispense with the humorous talking-to-cavemen schtick and just talk:

Michigan signed a recruiting class of 22 despite having 25 openings. When Rodriguez talks about people on the team who are not meeting expectations he's referencing Kevin Grady, for whom "not meeting expectations" is a kind descriptor, and maybe a couple other people who 1) remain on the team and 2) are, according to the insider rumblings, skating the edge of grade issues. No one has left the team except Wermers, who did so of his own volition.

Michigan benefits in no way from Wermers' post-signing-day departure. In the unlikely event there are a ton of injuries on the line, Michigan will be forced to reach down to a walk-on instead of Wermers. And over the course of the next year there's some chance Wermers would have played his way up the depth chart. No one else has left the program. Any speculation as to why these people who haven't left the program would leave the program and whether it's voluntary or not is… wait, why are we talking about this again?

What we've got here is a quote. Not, you know, actions. And this quote can reasonably be interpreted to mean "there are people on the team who need to get their act together in court/academically" instead of "I am kicking losers out." This criticism is based on a willfully unflattering reading of a statement.

Meanwhile, Alabama signed a recruiting class of thousands (32, if we're being specific, with 25 being the maximum that could enroll) despite having far fewer than 25 openings and then rammed down its roster by chucking every disappointing reserve with a stubbed toe on medical scholarship, getting lucky with some armed robbery, and probably just plain cutting one kid. When Saban signed that huge class he knew with certainty that he would have to remove 10-15 players from scholarship. This was unprecedented and sketchy, and I wasn't the only person to think so. Dr. Saturday, then in his SMQB days, on the subject*:

So, with this year's incoming class, up to eleven players who have signed letters of intent to play football for Alabama will have that commitment at least temporarily deep-sixed, even if all 96-98 candidates meet their obligations. The incoming oversign is seven; if half of that number flunks out, or pulls a gun on somebody, or gets caught with a 15-year-old or something - say, four guys out of 32 - the Tide is still seven scholarships over the 85-man limit. Either existing commitments to returning players are cut, or the eligibility of a full third of the `08 class meets some untimely demise before August. The first option - breaking a commitment to an athlete who has met his requirements - is sketchy. The second option - collecting commitments from as many players as possible with the knowledge that a significant number of them have to fail before they even get to campus - is sketchy. Oversigning to this extent is not okay.

DocSat notes in an addendum that no coach in the country other than Tommy Bowden put himself in a position where his class necessitated cuts after the NCAA-mandated drop to 25; Bowden heartlessly cut cause célèbre Ray Ray McElrathbey and is now unemployed. (These are unrelated; it's just that it's pointless to criticize an unemployed coach.)

'Bama's cram-down was so efficient that it saw the Tide get down to like 83 scholarships, which has been taken by Tide coachbots to mean that there was never a problem in the first place. What it actually means is that Saban's cuts were gone through with even after the bonus armed robbery and cocaine so fast you'll freak scholarships opened up.

So these situations are analogous only if your typical dinner is lead paint chips. I think my favorite part of the complaint is this quote lifted from here and intended to be incriminating…

Alabama has every incentive to dump guys. They flat out have to. If a kid is struggling with his academic eligibility how motivated will Alabama be to help him? If a player commits a petty offense how eager will Alabama be to boot him? If Nick Saban knows that by August he has to say goodbye to six kids and it’s July and he’s only got four down, then what?

I’ll tell you what: someone gets it right in the ass.

…that explains the difference. Way to make your point there, guys. Rodriguez is sitting down with these kids in an attempt to get them on the right track towards staying in the program. He does not want them to leave; he would derive no benefit from it. Saban put himself in a situation where he was not motivated but compelled to weed out a half-dozen or more.

Though I'll admit the rhetoric here got overheated last summer, the point remains valid. Their point… is… uh… eh… Rodriguez said something their tiny lizard brains interpreted as Sabanesque.

I hereby resolve to converse solely with multicellular organisms. Play these gentlemen off, keyboard cat.

*(I certainly hope this is a temporary thing, but this post appears to be down. Here's a google cache link. SBNation wouldn't blast the SMQB archives out of existence in a fit of pique, would they?)

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Posted on: January 1st, 2010 at 4:00 PM #1
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saban

What did Nick Satan do to pull Ingram away from schools in Michigan? You forgot to cry about that. Oh and how did Michigan do in their bowl game???? RR has done a terrible job. The Bama program is very fortunate he turned them down.

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Posted on: May 21st, 2009 at 4:44 PM #2
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UNION - 1 CONFEDERACY - 0 GO

UNION - 1
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GO SHERMAN!

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Posted on: May 21st, 2009 at 8:45 AM #3
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I think Brian's just upset

that RR didn't take the Bama job.

Seriously, are you just dusting off your inane, ill-informed ramblings from last year? About the only thing you get right is that Capstone Report isn't a good blog. Everything beyond that, though, was 100% fail.

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Posted on: May 21st, 2009 at 9:51 AM #4
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you've got some splainin to

you've got some splainin to do. kthx.

No question, Jim.

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Posted on: May 20th, 2009 at 8:21 PM #5
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People in Alabama

People in Alabama will believe anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmszCWUjcGw

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Posted on: May 20th, 2009 at 7:49 PM #6
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HA!

I would feel even worse if getting an education from the University of Alabama had any value).

Oh come on, I'm sure it has value. It's just that we haven't developed the technological sophistication to detect values that small.

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Posted on: May 20th, 2009 at 7:42 PM #7
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Over-signing

This has been pretty common for a while, especially at a lot of lower-level Southern schools (I'm thinking Ole Miss off the top of my head right now but I'm sure there are others who've done it regularly). My understanding is that it was usually done on the assumption that a large chunk of the kids signing wouldn't qualify academically (essentially that to get 25 kids to enroll you had to sign 30+). Did Bama just get screwed because an unexpectedly large portion of their incoming class knows how to read (Three cheers for No Child Left Behind!) or is this a new twist on the old practice whereby coaches can force out kids who don't climb the depth chart fast enough? If it is the latter, I almost feel sorry for the players (I would feel even worse if getting an education from the University of Alabama had any value).

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Posted on: May 20th, 2009 at 7:47 PM #8
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Alabama signed a class of 25+

Alabama signed a class of 25+ when they had around 9 available scholarships.

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Posted on: May 21st, 2009 at 11:08 AM #9
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jealous of 2 consecutive rivals #1 class rankings

much?

cutting players WITH cause ='s bad?
cutting players WITHOUT cause ='s good?
not following your logic there brian...

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Posted on: May 21st, 2009 at 12:14 PM #10
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Dude, most of us think Bama is doing a great job recruiting-

it's the over-signing part that sucks. As was mentioned before without comment from you, there was no possible way that Saban could know about the legal troubles before he signed so many players. So if the guys that violate rules had not done that, what do you think would have happened?

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Posted on: May 21st, 2009 at 11:41 AM #11
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you're proving to be nothing more than a troll

thanks for your lack of contribution. good bye

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Posted on: May 20th, 2009 at 7:56 PM #12
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So...

you're saying Nick Saban is a dishonest A-hole with no loyalty to his players? Well, knock me over with a feather.

Note: Dolphins fans think I'm hilarious

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Posted on: May 21st, 2009 at 11:07 AM #13
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yeah

because leaving an NFL job after 2 seasons is unprecedented.

it's really sad how because of this blog, a bunch of michigan fans are harboring a grudge against nick saban and Alabama simply because you needed a scapegoat to distract people from whats going on in your own backyard.

you're all (the authors, and readers of this blog) a bunch of hypocritical douchebags.

cutting players WITH cause ='s bad?
cutting players WITHOUT cause ='s good?
not following your logic there brian...

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Posted on: May 21st, 2009 at 11:10 AM #14
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I feel like Billy Idol

On the floor of tokyo
Or down in london town to go, go
With the record selection
With the mirror reflection
Im dancing with myself

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Posted on: May 21st, 2009 at 11:33 AM #15
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that song is about beating off

are you beating off and following me around at the same time? cause thats gross...

cutting players WITH cause ='s bad?
cutting players WITHOUT cause ='s good?
not following your logic there brian...

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Posted on: May 20th, 2009 at 4:20 PM #16
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[shakes head and walks away]

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Posted on: May 20th, 2009 at 3:52 PM #17
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attrition

There is attrition at every D1 football program in the country. You've got 85 kids playing a sport where you run into one another at high speeds. There are 85 sets of grades, 85 sets of temptations, 85 sets of personal problems, etc.

That whole "look at the person at the left and right, they won't be here next year" thing that they tell the general student body applies to every football program in the country as well.

But normal attrition is about three or four guys. Losing a couple of guys like Rodriguez and Michigan did is normal. What Saban (and I would include Butch Davis as well) is doing can't POSSIBLY be explained as anything "normal." It's even worse than what Tommy Tubberville did when he first got to Auburn (not honoring some scholarships promised to Bowden's recruits).

Alabama fans would be far better off simply acknowledging the shittyness of the behavior and shrugging it off. Just say it. You're already thinking it. Don't JUSTIFY it. Say, "We are doing what we have to do to win the SEC. Screw those pesky principles. If we have to run off Mike Shula after a nine-win season, we'll do it. If we have to deliver a duffel bag full of cash for a second-rate DL like Albert Means, we'll do it. And if we have to run off a couple of second-string safeties...by god, we'll do that too."

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Posted on: May 21st, 2009 at 10:59 AM #18
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thats bullshit

Saban hasn't run off a single kid. you people are so convinced that you're right despite having zero evidence to confirm your beliefs.

and shula was 6-6 in his last season. 10-2 the year prior.

also, fab 5.

cutting players WITH cause ='s bad?
cutting players WITHOUT cause ='s good?
not following your logic there brian...

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Posted on: May 21st, 2009 at 11:37 AM #19
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Ok, answer this...

ASSuming that all of your players last year qualified, had no "legal trouble", or any other such reason for leaving, how is it "OK" to sign like 17 more players than you have scholarships for? I'm waiting.

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Posted on: May 22nd, 2009 at 9:50 PM #20
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Stop Waiting

3 Medical Red Shirts this know before Spring Training.
2 Academic transfers.
2 2009 recruits counted against 2008 slots. Look it up. Kerry Murphy the Man amoung boys counted against 2008 as did Smith our Freshman kicker who transferred.
3 Players transferring. Prince Hall To Central Washington with two others who never started.
2 Gray Shirts
1 Bryant Scholarship Award.

13 players.

Try and keep up. Thanks for getting Rich Rodriquez. I am so thankful he did not come to Alabama. We truly dodged what could have been a huge mistake as you have discovered.

You now have his plastic face wife and an offense not geared for the Big 10. Good Luck with Ohio St. I bet OSU does not over sign. LOL Stick to hating your rival its less embarrassing than worring about Alabama. I still so not get why Michigan fans care so much about Alabama. I could care less about Michigan.

If you are not winning National Titles like Alabama you are wasting your time. "Vince Lombardi" after Coach Bryant had won his THIRD National Championship in 1965.

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Posted on: May 26th, 2009 at 9:18 AM #21
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You did NOT answer my

You did NOT answer my question, at all.

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Posted on: May 22nd, 2009 at 10:31 PM #22
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If you don't want to augment the "sothern illiteracy"

stereotype, you really should stop posting, although I really do enjoy your totally retarded writing-it is very entertaining. Your facts that you state are ridiculous; what does 2+2 equal when you can only count to 2?

[RR's wife's "plastic face" really is irrelevant to anything; it is a gratuitous (look it up) insult and this remark deserves complete and total scorn regardless of everything else you have written]

You do not address the underlying reasons for the avarious "Bryant Awards" (yeah, that one is a laugh), gray shirts, and transfers. These are ways to move guys off the roster.

Hello! McFly, is anyone in there???

Now go brush your tooth, you goober troll.

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Posted on: May 22nd, 2009 at 11:01 PM #23
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Stop Crying

I gave you the numbers but you keep worring about Alabama while Ohio St. whips your butts every year. Work on getting a new coach. I am happy for Michigan and Coach Rodriquez. I am also extremely happy you have a problem with our over signing. Learn how to do the math and show Rich when you get a chance. Is there a BCS in your future or will OSU and Penn St. continue to slap your silly asses around. BTW you clowns have to beat someone in the PAC10 for any validation whatsoever. USC just kills the BIG10 as does the SEC. Illinos, Penn St. and OSU hating life but you guys just plain stink. Try going 12 - 0 in the #5 conference in college football. That is the big10. Oh and if you see that idiot big10 commissioner Jim Delaney ask him to send another open letter to the SEC. LMAO

If you are not winning National Titles like Alabama you are wasting your time. "Vince Lombardi" after Coach Bryant had won his THIRD National Championship in 1965.

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Posted on: May 26th, 2009 at 9:21 AM #24
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Stupid is...

Uhh...
Penn State just beat us for the first time in (9?)years.

Aaanndd....
The esseeeeseee does not have a lopsided margin of wins vs. the B10 in bowl games, douchenozzle.

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Posted on: May 26th, 2009 at 9:29 AM #25
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Michigan is 7-2 versus the

Michigan is 7-2 versus the ESSSSSSEEEEEESSEEEEEEE since 1990, maybe that's what he was getting at but got the numbers turned around in his tiny brain. It happens.

No question, Jim.

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Posted on: May 20th, 2009 at 4:31 PM #26
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Also this

Also this

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Posted on: May 20th, 2009 at 3:36 PM #27
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Did the Unabomber

turn to the dark side at Harvard, Michigan or Berkeley? Have any of you read his manifesto, and is Ann Arbor mentioned? And does he make any salient points about the environment along with the crazy behavior, or what?

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Posted on: May 21st, 2009 at 10:55 AM #28
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actually

it's pretty good reading. technology really does just make slaves of us all.

but you know, when engaged in a flame war these things are less useful than simply pointing out that a "crazy" person is an alumni of the school you're actively in trashing.

cutting players WITH cause ='s bad?
cutting players WITHOUT cause ='s good?
not following your logic there brian...

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Posted on: May 21st, 2009 at 11:02 AM #29
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hmmmmm has technology tricked

hmmmmm has technology tricked me into talking to a bot ?

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Posted on: May 21st, 2009 at 11:10 AM #30
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if she claims

to be a woman? yes.

cutting players WITH cause ='s bad?
cutting players WITHOUT cause ='s good?
not following your logic there brian...

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Posted on: May 21st, 2009 at 11:14 AM #31
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Number five izzz UhhLive.

Number five izzz UhhLive.

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Posted on: May 21st, 2009 at 11:35 AM #32
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but tur fly

steph a nie. but tur fly. but tur fly steph a nie!!!

cutting players WITH cause ='s bad?
cutting players WITHOUT cause ='s good?
not following your logic there brian...

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Posted on: May 20th, 2009 at 2:59 PM #33
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Wouldn't you know it...

The single-celled organism population of this blog increases by at least one today.

If there is another world, he lives in bliss. If there is none, he made the best of this.
- Robert Burns

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Posted on: May 20th, 2009 at 2:44 PM #34
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also, salient point

about Bama fans eating "paint chips for dinner" and having "tiny lizard brains". that sort of talk really helps elevate the level of discourse brian. great job really. you're not a total douchebag, not at all.

cutting players WITH cause ='s bad?
cutting players WITHOUT cause ='s good?
not following your logic there brian...

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Posted on: May 20th, 2009 at 6:39 PM #35
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that sort of talk really

that sort of talk really helps elevate the level of discourse brian.

Alabama illiteracy rate: 15%
Michigan illiteracy rate: 7%

University of Alabama National Ranking: #83
University of Michigan National Ranking: #26

University of Alabama acceptance rate: 64%
University of Michigan acceptance rate: 50%

Alabama High School Graduation rate: 62%
Michigan High School Graduation Rate: 75%

If he raised the level of discourse much higher, you wouldn't understand.

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Posted on: May 21st, 2009 at 10:52 AM #36
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so you're proud of these stats?

costa rica has a higher literacy rate than the state of michigan, and yet you're trotting that out like it's supposed to mean something.

cutting players WITH cause ='s bad?
cutting players WITHOUT cause ='s good?
not following your logic there brian...

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It does mean something. It

It does mean something. It means that you're from a place that cant teach people to read, and generally puts them into careers where they fail (lower median income by $10,000). You went to an auto-entry Rubber-Stamp-Factory.

Which means that your inability to understand a basic argument makes perfect sense.

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Posted on: May 22nd, 2009 at 10:00 PM #38
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There is an idiot born everyday!

Woody Hayes once said of Michigan. There is an idiot born everyday and they live in Michigan. At Paul W. Bryant's Funeral Woody Hayes said "Paul was the greatest football coach of our time, there will be no one else like him". Woody wasn't aware of Nick Saban. How about them BUCKEYE's.

If you are not winning National Titles like Alabama you are wasting your time. "Vince Lombardi" after Coach Bryant had won his THIRD National Championship in 1965.

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Posted on: May 23rd, 2009 at 8:40 AM #39
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Thank you for making my

Thank you for making my point.

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Posted on: May 20th, 2009 at 6:04 PM #40
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Come on- please get out of

Come on- please get out of your sister's bed for a few minutes and answer the questions we'd all like to know about your accusations:

1. Who are the players Rodriguez cut because they didn't fit his scheme? I'm drawing a blank.

Presumably, you are speaking of Kevin Grady who hasn't been cut yet, and if/when he is cut, it will be entirely for violating probation.

2. What players have been cut "without cause"?

Ann Arbor: now the permanent home of the Little Brown Jug

66-22-3 all-time

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Posted on: May 20th, 2009 at 5:53 PM #41
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tempebamafan.

Please answer this question: how in the hell do you know that more guys will leave M because they "don't fit in rich rod's system?" Where has that been written? Where has that been said? Where has that been rumored? When has that happened? Does any of this matter to you?

Bama's guys have left. None of ours have (yet). We are under scholarship limits. You're not. We have actual evidence of Bama's behavior, you do not. Saban pushed a guy off the team who DID NOT BREAK ANY TEAM RULE, strictly based on football potential. RR is discussing cutting guys that VIOLATE GRADE STANDARDS, which has been laudable and actually praised for as long as there's been college football. Again, how in the world can you not see the difference?

Seriously, please answer that, which based on my reading so far, you have not.

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Posted on: May 20th, 2009 at 3:22 PM #42
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^^^^^^^people from the south^^^^^^^

have computers now? wtf...

Michigan Wolverines: 874 wins, .740 winning percentage, 42 Big Ten Titles, 11 National Titles, 3 Heisman winners, and 150 consensus All-Americans

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Posted on: May 21st, 2009 at 10:48 AM #43
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yep

and we have more than just a bullshit shared "national title" from 97. we also know how to beat ohio state in the south. and we're not a giant welfare queen drain on the nations resources like you frozen dicked losers in michigan. learn how to build something i might buy, and maybe you'll stop having to spend your free time in bread lines looking for handouts you pathetic fucking losers.

cutting players WITH cause ='s bad?
cutting players WITHOUT cause ='s good?
not following your logic there brian...

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Posted on: May 22nd, 2009 at 10:23 PM #44
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Michigan does not lead the Nation in Car building

Care to take a dare who builds the most cars Michigan or Alabama.

Here you go. Alabama since 2007. Mercedes Plant in Vance Alabama and the Hyundai plant near Montgomery. Both these plants reported a half billion in profits. The three big plants in Michigan are lying off and begging for a Washington bailout.

Now in the state of Michigan the unemployment rate is the highest of any state currently in the nation.

So the slow uneducated Southerns are whipping ass in car sales. THE SEC has won seven of the last Sixteen National Titles. The big10 two in the same time frame. THE SEC has won the last three National Championships in a row. Guess what? THE SEC will win it again this year. Stop worring about Alabama, Ohio St. has your number but we have theirs.

If you are not winning National Titles like Alabama you are wasting your time. "Vince Lombardi" after Coach Bryant had won his THIRD National Championship in 1965.

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Posted on: May 23rd, 2009 at 8:39 AM #45
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The funny thing is that

The funny thing is that despite the massive job loss in Michigan, Alabama's average income is STILL $10,000 lower than Michigan's.

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Posted on: May 21st, 2009 at 11:34 AM #46
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You're not?

You are so far removed from reality it is disgusting. You cannot be as stupid as you make yourself appear, can you? Get your facts staight, and then please just go away. Kthx.

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Posted on: May 22nd, 2009 at 11:08 PM #47
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Sucks when you are not winning

Appy St. would like a second chance. ASU put that in their paper last week. 92 Alabama, 96 Florida, 98 Tennessee, 03 LSU, 06 Florida, 07 LSU, 08 Florida. That is seven. Where are my facts wrong? 99 Mesheegan, 01 OSU. The previous National Title for the big10 was in 1968 OSU. The numbers don't lie. You do.

If you are not winning National Titles like Alabama you are wasting your time. "Vince Lombardi" after Coach Bryant had won his THIRD National Championship in 1965.

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Posted on: May 22nd, 2009 at 10:49 PM #48
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Welfare state of Michigan

Hyundai for earnings results. Alabama $478,235,000 million in 2007/2008.
Mercedes for earnings results. Alabama $501,370,000 million in 2007/2008.

Facts do not lie but you do. Michigan Auto industry as reported by Forbes Magizine and Fortune 500. Who was on Forbes Magizine? Nick Saban. Again bitch get your facts straight.

Go look it up scooter. I did.

If you are not winning National Titles like Alabama you are wasting your time. "Vince Lombardi" after Coach Bryant had won his THIRD National Championship in 1965.

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Posted on: May 26th, 2009 at 9:14 AM #49
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K scooter

I didn't say that our auto industry was more profitable than Alabama's. Read what I wrote. Damn you people are nuts.

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Posted on: May 20th, 2009 at 7:49 PM #50
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Hey

As someone who grew up in Virginia (it took us a while, but yes, we now have computers), I would like to ask that you not lump us in with people from Alabama. We Southerners know Alabama sucks just as well as Yankees do.

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