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WTKA Roundtable 12/7/2017: Hey You Should Know Something Comment Count

Seth

He’s a pinhead. He’s a small-minded, grouchy…he’s a great coach.

WTKA cover 12-7-17

Things discussed:

  • Shea Patterson: Game is like Baker Mayfield, but this is a different offense and writing off Peters to beat him out is silly. Also silly: concern trolling from rival fanbases. Craig compares him to 1970s Vikings, also Jim Harbaugh.
  • Sam feels good with Patterson and Van Jefferson. The safety, Anderson, could be the biggest impact one. Sam thought Michigan had Jefferson on signing day (yeah go ahead and read into that).
  • Sparties gonna Spart: we feel bad for the Outback in East Lansing.
  • South Carolina preview: dink and dunk offense that dies against elite defenses (hello!).
  • Arizona State University and Vice President of Football Operations Herm Edwards unveiled plans for a restructured ASU football New Leadership Model approach using a general manager structure. ASU is a a collaborative approach to managing the ASU football program that includes sport and administrative divisions, which will operate as distinct, but collective units focused on elevating all aspects of the department to form a multi-layered method to the talent evaluation and recruiting processes, increase its emphasis on both student-athlete and coach development and retention, and provide a boost in resource allocation and generation.
  • Is Michigan’s offense complicated? Auburn’s Wing-T system is a ton of motion and frippery to make something very simple look complicated. Michigan is sort of like that.
  • Hoops talk: ideas for PG and the four? MAAR, Brooks, Poole at 1-2-3 and put Mathews at the four. Beilein offenses can’t handle a PG who won’t shoot.

You can catch the entire episode on Michigan Insider's podcast stream on Audioboom.

Segment two is here. Segment three is here.

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Comments

Magnus

December 8th, 2017 at 7:58 AM ^

"Sam thought Michigan had Jefferson on signing day (yeah go ahead and read into that)."

If the implication is that Ole Miss and Jefferson engaged in shenanigans, I don't know. As the son of an NFL player and NFL coach, I wouldn't think those types of advances would be as meaningful.

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bOttOmfeeder

December 8th, 2017 at 8:57 AM ^

I am tired of Sparty getting upset at Michigan in the Outback Bowl.

Northwestern is also (9-3) and beat MSU head to head.   

Only BIG losses to Wisc and Penn State.....(and the inexcusable Duke loss)

 

If record was the only criteria.....then this should have happened

Northwestern(9-3) in Outback Bowl

MSU(9-3) in Holiday................Where they are now.

Michigan in Music City Bowl......

 

Northwestern got jobbed.   NOT Sparty.  

Mork Digonio was always going to San Diego.    

Sparty - Show up to your home games and travel to your Bowl games......This would change.

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JFW

December 8th, 2017 at 9:52 AM ^

The 'Chip' started off as something I kind of got; they were upset at losing, and not happy with the Hart comment (that, IIRC, they actually started but he wasn't smart to pick up...). I didn't agree with it, but I got it. 

10 years on? It's just kind of pathetic. They remind me of some old, bitter dude at the bar bitching about some girl that dissed him years ago, and ignoring everything good that's happened to them since. Just let it the f*ck go dude, no one wants to  hear it. And they act like the biggest internet barney bad-asses. Remember two years ago? 'The beatings will continue...' They play good football but with us they end up as cheap shot artists. There is no 'respect all fear none' in them. Dear God they hate being called little brother but that's just how they act. 

You'd think that they'd like to rise above their bitterness. Be happy with what they have. Show some class and say 'Look at our recent resume'. But no, everything they do is measured against us, and it warps their whole worldview. 

It's annoying. But they are worse off for it, and it is self limiting for them. 

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dragonchild

December 8th, 2017 at 9:04 AM ^

a restructured ASU football New Leadership Model approach using a general manager structure. ASU is a a collaborative approach to managing the ASU football program that includes sport and administrative divisions, which will operate as distinct, but collective units focused on elevating all aspects of the department to form a multi-layered method to the talent evaluation and recruiting processes, increase its emphasis on both student-athlete and coach development and retention, and provide a boost in resource allocation and generation.

I hate you and you should feel bad.  Next time throw in some "synergistic" or "monetization" so the puke at least makes it all the way up & out instead of just giving me chunky heartburn.

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maizenblue92

December 8th, 2017 at 9:25 AM ^

The first point of the podcast is what I pointed out to my brother when we were talking about the Ole Miss transfers. I think Peters beats out Patterson. He has two extra years in a complex system. Rudock was a very smart QB and 5th year senior and he looked like crap for the first eight weeks. Give me the guy who has been learning and played real games in the system over the guy who just got here.

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NowTameInThe603

December 8th, 2017 at 9:41 AM ^

Ill say it for the 872953467 time... PETERS was 3rd! on the depth chart. He had a year in the complex system yet couldnt beat out JOK. In the games he played the offense was as vanilla as I can remember under Harbaugh. I dont think he is that far ahead of Patterson.

Whether or not Patterson has played in a similar offense is irrelevant. He has played in more meaningful games and shown he can run an offense. He could pick up the offense faster than Peters and still be the more talented QB.

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Carpetbagger

December 8th, 2017 at 11:56 AM ^

I'm not surprised at the coaches choice of O'Korn first. Do you all not see Peters body language during the game? It's bad.

Don't get me wrong, he's 19-20 years old. He could be a totally different person by the bowl game at that age. But right now he doesn't carry himself like a starting quarterback.

I want Peters to win the job next year. His touch on balls is just something you don't see at the college level. But he's got to clean up that body language, or turn it in to something positive if it's just who he is.

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outsidethebox

December 8th, 2017 at 9:32 AM ^

I don't know who the roundtable guys are...am new here...am an old geezer...don't care who they are...I do know basketball. I totally agree with the (whoever's it was)  judgement that the bench needs to be shortened. I believe strongly  that playing time needs to be concentrated toward 8 players at the most and even down to 7 if at all possible. The PG eggs need to be put in Brooks' basket and allowed to fully hatch. (No team goes anywhere without solid PG play and strong PG play NEVER happens with the committee approach...that would be NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!!!) The remaining roster is critical for practice and being fully prepared to be the next man up. It is THE major task of the coach(es) to make this work. 

Otherwise a 2 guard is not a point guard...never has been and never will be. Your 2 needs to be a shooter who believes he is always open and has no conscience in this regard. This mindset is totally unacceptable for a PG and and these two positions shall never meet. MAAR and Poole should be so groomed to the 2 mindset...and any talk of making them a 1 should be trash-canned within the first milli-second of consciousness. This is simple fact and reality :)

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remdog

December 8th, 2017 at 9:39 AM ^

And rotations are the key this year. This roster has plenty of talent to be a top 20 team and mid single dgit seed in the tourney. It just has to be utilized effectively. I love Beilein but his bungled substitutions in two of our losses, LSU and OSU, cost us those games. Against LSU, we should have had a more experienced ballhandler in the last few minutes while protecting a lead. Against OSU, Brooks should have been playing the most minutes at PG when our offense stagnated, Teske should have played more minutes than Livers when they were abusing us inside (using a 2 big lineup) and Poole should have been playing many more minutes after his breakout game against Indy. Poole is an elite scorer and the reason we coasted past Indy. Playing Brooks only 13 minutes, Teske only 9 minutes and Poole only 8 minutes was criminal.

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Fezzik

December 8th, 2017 at 9:50 AM ^

I'm confused. Since year one of Harbaugh we all pretty much agreed on the complexity of the Harbaugh offense and how even Andrew Luck redshirts his freshmen year in the system. Now its a simple offense that looks complex? But Peters couldn't get into a game before Rutgers because...? And after a full year and a half here, including enrolling early, he still played with a very limited playbook. Does this speak poorly on his ability to figure out a simple offense or is it more complicated than suggested here?

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Don

December 8th, 2017 at 11:26 AM ^

Suppose we've got two quarterbacks who have just taken the snap from center, Brian Lewerke and Brandon Peters.

What kinds of decisions does Peters have to make in the next few seconds? What is he having to look at, and having to evaluate?

What kinds of decisions does Lewerke have to make in the next few seconds? What is he having to look at, and having to evaluate?

Is the complexity of the things Peters has to consider greater than what Lewerke has to consider?

 

 

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Raving Blue Lunatic

December 8th, 2017 at 1:29 PM ^

That maybe the staff were protecting Peters by keeping the upperclassmen in at starting QB because they knew the OL was shit at pass protection, and whoever took the snaps was going to take a beating? 

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