your schtick still sucks. Go away please.
A World Held Hostage: Day Five
Les pun barrage avoided. The mandarins at LSU are sticking to their story that no one's talking to them about talking to Les Miles. The chancellor's version of yesterday's statement by the AD:
“No one has said anything to me,” Martin said. “But of course a lot of these things are done with agents now, behind the scenes.”
Just like LSU's recruiting. Hey-o!
It's contagious. Jennifer Hammond was patient zero in the Michigan edition of Fruitless Jon Gruden Naming but it's spreading: I have more than one account from actual sources indicating Michigan did interview him yesterday. With Gruden an interview is usually a brief conversation about how this guy makes more money than God by saying generic things on Monday Night Football, so don't get excited. I can't believe I'm actually relaying information about Gruden and Michigan but I guess if we've deployed flight tracking Gruden couldn't have been far behind.
If, like me, you've become inured to the constant Gruden-to-everywhere speculation that seems like it's been a major feature of American culture for the last fifty years you may be surprised to find out that he's a youthful 47 and could actually be plausible in a Pete Carroll sort of way.
Speaking of flights. So the winged helmet plane that touched down in Baton Rouge when Miles was in Dallas was there for all of two hours, then took off for South Carolina. What's in South Carolina? Um… well… a few days ago it was relayed to me that Lloyd Carr was in South Carolina. He supposedly has a vacation home at Hilton Head (restaurant to the stars!). The plane flew to… Hilton Head. It then went to a regional airport in Georgia, back to Hilton Head, headed out to Westchester County, and then went back to Hilton Head.
Ironically, Carr lit out for South Carolina because he was sick of people claiming he was the nefarious power behind the throne and just wanted to get away from everything and now a plane with a winged helmet painted on it is using his location as a hub. This is either
- an amazing coincidence, or
- David Brandon smoothing over Les Miles with Lloyd Carr and random incredibly wealthy NYC-based booster who is probably Stephen Ross.
Since a good source says Brandon actually is using the winged helmet plane—Dominos was a ruse!—I lean towards the latter; this seems like a fact corroborating the Les Miles buzz. I may have to apologize to Tiger Droppings.
is this involved in the coaching search. who gives a crap what he wants?
Seriously...screw you. You're going to disrespect the man who gave more to Michigan than can ever be repaid.
If there is a man today who UM Football is forever indebted to...I'd say it's Carr.
Plus he's your damn avatar
No knock on Carr, but he really shouldn't have any bearing or influence on who the next coach should be (IMO).
Hooray for self-perpetuating bullshit! Rumors that become conventional wisdom are pernicious.
Did support our new coach? What proof do you have of that? B/c he didn't go around screaming "I LOVE RICH ROD" at the top of his lungs he didn't support him? The insecurity of this fan base of "does this person support RR?" was astounding. I heard multiple interviews with Lloyd where he made excuses for the defense, citing how college football has changed as the reason our team was giving up so many points and calling our current team "treamendous" like 80 times. You have no proof that he didn't support RR. In fact, it seemed quite the opposite was true. Just b/c he wasn't very vocal doesn't mean he didn't support the coach.
So, the former coach was was obligated to speak on the current coach's behalf that you write "fuck lloyd carr" b/c he kept silent? Did you forget RR going out of his way to blame Carr for the bare cupboard (not saying there wasn't merit, but you wanted Carr to break his silence for a guy blaming him for his woes)?
"lloyd heard that call". I'm sorry, but I don't remember hearing lloyd say, "people want me to vocally support RR, but I'm not going to". Lloyd was never an outgoing guy as coach, and you expected him to interfere with the current coach?
If anything maybe Lloyd thought he would be overstepping his bounds to "come to RR's aide". Maybe RR didn't need Lloyd's vocal support.
Come on dude, you can't blame a guy for not talking. Carr never said anything negative. If he had, you might have a point.
should be consulted concerning the next hire.
Lloyd should have had a successor groomed for his replacement. This is his biggest failing.
It should have begun after the NC, he knew he was a lifer then.
Exactly how many times has the in-house line of succession work ANYWHERE? It worked here two times in a row. It is working at Oregon. But Bear Bryant had no succession plan. Woody Hayes had no succession plan. Urban Meyer had no succession plan. Tom Osborne did but it blew up b/c the fans, or at least the uni pres, thought he was dragging the program into mediocrity. (Where have I heard that before?)
Am I missing some obvious examples of other coaches pulling off what we are accusing LC of failing to do?
Well, Bo until Moeller pissed it all away.
He can't really hear you, because he has his Big Ten Championship rings plugging his ears.
haha always love me a Roy reference
For a vast majority of us on MGoBlog when I say you should be castrated with a hot soldering iron. Kindly crawl back into your hole and never seek daylight again.
To the sick children and their parents who benefit from the services at Mott's Children's Hospital at the University of Michigan. Yea, I went there, so kindly shut the fuck up.
This banter is so long that I forgot what the topic even was...damn iPhone
I am having trouble recalling any negative statments that Lloyd has made in regards to the program or even RRod for that matter. Will you enlighten us?
In my mind he is staying classy. Even if he was not thrilled with the way things were going, he stayed classy and silent through the whole ordeal.
Just to bring you up to speed, this guy thinks Lloyd's silence meant he didn't support RR. He also thinks that Lloyd was obligated to come out and vocally support RR after the Freep report b/c the fans wanted to hear from him. So in summary, Lloyd keeping silent means he hates UM and is bad for the program.
I'm a bit confused. You may have misunderstood what I was saying, or maybe I am misunderstanding where your comment is directed. (Trying to get off coffee) I was saying that Lloyd did the RIGHT thing by staying silent. I don't know Lloyd, so I personally don't know if he was upset with the program or not. What I do know is that the worst think he could have done would have been to speak out if he wasn't happy.
The best thing Lloyd could have done was to stay quiet. It was a classy move. IMHO
I'm agreeing with you. I think the notion of assuming Lloyd didn't support RR b/c he was silent is stupid. I guess the title of the post threw you off, it was more of a sarcastic question, as people seem to be questioning his class b/c of his silence. Which to me, doesn't make much sense.
Thanks for the clarification... Like I said, I am in the process of switching to a Caffine free life, and in doing so, some of my thought processes may not be as sharp as normal.
i too think he should have vocalized his support, especially when RR was hired. didn't Bo publicly support Lloyd when he was hired? and Bo still wanted Mo to be head coach.
i seem to remember some comments of support from carr but it seemed to me like pulling teeth. i'm not saying he had to be rah rah each and every week but he could have been vocal in his support instead of silent. silence is telling for a guy who had been with the program nearly 30 years.
You are what's wrong with many RR supporters. Forget that RR just couldn't win football games (or stay within two TDs of our rivals). No, it was always someone else's fault.
It was Lloyd's fault.
It was because we had such a young defense (Who recruits for this team again? Who concentrated so much effort in his first two classes on offensive skill positions to the detriment of everything else? Who chose to pursue Dorsey without checking whether there was any hope in hell he would qualify?).
It was Greg Robinson's fault. (Who hired him? ) It was Scott Shafer's fault. (Who didn't stick up for him when the position coaches undermined him? How has he done since leaving?)
I find it interesting that one of the things Brandon said he's looking for is an ability to use the players we already have, because RR never did that. Instead, his supporters just blamed everything else. How dare Carr not realize he would be replaced by a spread coach who wouldn't work with a five star pro-style quarterback recruit (regardless of what you think about whether Mallett would have left anyway, it's clear RR would have had him trying to run the zone read).
I liked the hire three years ago, but it didn't work out. But continuing to whine about his firing and blaming Lloyd Carr, the only coach since the Truman Adminstration to bring a national championship, is idiotic and unproductive. Let it go.
[Sorry so choppy. I wrote this on my iPhone.]
You stay classy. Asshole. Show some respect - the guy led us to numerous B10 titles, a NC and did it with class.
Oh, you bought into the "Lloyd as evil, silent puppetmaster" meme.
I don't think Lloyd Carr is Hyman Roth. If he had an axe to grind, it would seem to be with Dave Brandon more than Rich Rodriguez.
Also if he was really a power broker that we thought he was, Kirk Ferentz would have been the coach.
It was no different when Lloyd was coach. Didn't win enough, the offenses weren't "exciting" enough, "too vanilla," too curmudgeony, not an "elite program," didn't win against Ohio State enough, teams weren't fast enough...
122-40, 5 conference championships, 4 Rose Bowl appearances, 11 January 1st bowls, 1 National Championship. Man, how terrible he was.
And in retirement, it's the same old crap. Lloyd Carr was never the coach the naysayers wanted him to be, and in retirement, he'll never be the ex-coach the naysayers want him to be. The guy won like crazy, and yet he can't win.
So, sorry, the whole "Lloyd hates Michigan" meme is incredibly and phenomenally stupid, no matter what Rick Leach says when he slurs through a call on WTKA.
Like most conspiracy theories it requires the prime actor to be incredibly incompetent while being a secret mastermind. It's internally inconsistent
Please tell me the "made up stories" from Lloyd Carr about what Rodriguez did behind the scenes. Is it anything like the stories about how Carr has secretly gone around bad mouthing RR and doing everything he could to get him fired? Because Lord knows, we've heard a lot of that the last three years.
The highly reported animosity he has with so many says something about him.
But it says nothing about the press? So you probably believe everything that Rosenberg wrote about practicegate, right? Give. Me. A. Break. Highly reported by whom? "Anonymous sources"? Oh so reliable, right?
You spiel is ridiculous. Carr has at least as much if not waaaaay more integrity than anyone on that list. Believing otherwise based on ZERO (0) evidence is ludicrous.
He let that swirl for like 48 hours before squashing it. Was that not fast enough for you? Sorry if he doesn't read internet blogs 24hrs a day like the rest of us. If you recall, Brian apologized for blaming Carr for that, as he among many others were wrong to have doubted Carr's loyalties.
I love Lloyd Carr. I cried like a baby his last game when they carried him off on their shoulders after the bowl game win over Florida.
I seriously want to make some phantom accounts right now just to neg you more than once. Get off Lloyd. Seriously, the guy did a lot for our program, give him some respect. I've been incredibly annoyed by some of the posters on this site that stoop to bashing him beyond his last year of recruiting fall off.
You were probably saying "fuck Bo" when he fire the coach the night before the tourney too...
I don't love how you're completely and totally wrong in your assessment of one of the best ambassadors this University has ever had.
If you keep going, you may just make it to zero by dinnertime.
You are still a dipshit. I'm sorry you couldn't get into UM and live in Nebraska.
There's like 12 mistakes in your post but I've seen you type "CEO's" a few times now. You are not smart.
Stone the unbeliever!
According to wikipedia a rumor is "an unverified account or explanation of events circulating from person to person and pertaining to an object, event, or issue in public concern" Going further, " Most theories agree that rumor involves some kind of a statement whose veracity is not quickly or ever confirmed. In addition, some scholars have identified rumor as a subset of propaganda, the latter another notoriously difficult concept to define" [emphasis mine]
Quantity does NOT mean quality. A billion rumors are still just that, rumors. Just because there are more of them doesn't make it any more true.
In summary, kindly STFU. Lloyd is a good man, and until I see official reports about "shady dealings" with regards to anything Michigan-related in the past 10 years, then I will always believe he's a good man. Do you know him personally? Why do you have an axe to grind? Why are you so gullible with regards to rumor-mongering? I'm not sure how standing fast on my beliefs that he is a man of great integrity constitutes me or anyone on this blog being "sappy little sentimental bitches" with regard to Lloyd. Please.
But all the rumors about the reasons he didn't like Miles, or the rumors of Rich badmouthing Lloyd behind closed doors are made up? Your reasoning of believing some out there rumors but not others to fit your viewpoint is whacky at best.
Telling another poster to "grow up" right after you just said "fuck Lloyd Carr"? That's not even good trolling.
Can someone explain to me how if this diatribe (hell, this statement) was said against any player, he'd have been banned for life in like 5 seconds, but he does this about our former coach on the front page (not an intelligent criticism, but an insane rant) and he's allowed to go on and on...?
Makes it look like you're endorsing it by saying this is ok, but other stuff isn't.
I would be fine with hiring a broomstick with a hat on it if it meant the end to the insanity.
The UM Plane is owned by:
Rich Rogel was the founder and CEO of Preferred Provider Organization of Michigan (PPOM). Before entering the medical management field, Mr. Rogel worked as a management consultant for Arthur Young & Co. and as a corporate finance associate in for Burnham & Co. For eight years, he owned and administered a multi-specialty medical center. In 1982, he founded PPOM, the first operational PPO in Michigan. This plan offered its services to more than 1,100,000 employees and dependents in Michigan, Ohio, and Indiana. PPOM won awards as Michigan's fastest growing private company and placed as high as 40th in the INC. Magazine 500.
Currently, Mr. Rogel invests independently and has been the angel investor for CoolSavings, Geneworks, Inergi LLC, and several other companies. He was also formerly the President of Tomay Inc and served as the chairman of Mobile Path Services, Inc. He is Past President of the University of Michigan Alumni Association, Chair of Michigan's capital campaign, and on University President Coleman's Advisory Board. He resides in Colorado where he helped found The Youth Foundation, serving on the Executive Committee and chairing the Education Committee. He also has positions on the Board of Trustees for the Progressive Policy Institute.
Mr. Rogel graduated as valedictorian from the University of Michigan Business School
His vacation home is in Scottsdale, Arizona. Miles' agent and the coaching convention Miles will be attending this week are both in Dallas. He's been riding on that jet. Draw your own conclusions as to why.
The one good thing that comes from coaching search nightmares is that Brian and the MgoCrew posts more than double... Even if each post makes our collective maze and blue hearts crumble a little bit more with each post.
FYI, smaller corporate jets are often used to carry cargo, if it's many small pieces, documents, etc. They just sit it on the seats. For example, when I worked at McDonnell-Douglas, it was a well-known fact that the company Lear jet was used to deliver the F-15 response for quote to the Air Force back in the day. The cargo was several copies of the response document and it FILLED the jet. They did that because the documentation was too big to fit in the underwing cargo pods an F-4 can carry.
Stories are told in my research group of late-night collating parties at conferences. You see, you had to hand-carry a hundred dead tree copies of your paper to your talk.
On the other hand, you don't get to re-run your computations the night before and stick new figures into the paper the day of the talk. Plusses and minuses.