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Will Gholston to MSU

I just talked to Will Gholston, and he committed to Michigan State at midnight on the dot.

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June 16th, 2009 at 12:31 AM | About time! I was tired of (Score:1)
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About time! I was tired of seeing "Will Gholston - MSU lock" on every thread.

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June 16th, 2009 at 2:29 AM | If you can't get into (Score:1)
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If you can't get into college, go to State *clap* *clap*

Too bad, but not surprising.

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June 16th, 2009 at 11:55 AM | FWIW, I got into both (Score:1)
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FWIW, I got into both schools, and chose State.

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June 16th, 2009 at 11:57 AM | 1st. Lol. (Score:1)
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1st.

Lol.

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June 16th, 2009 at 6:56 PM | Yeah, I've never met an MSU (Score:1)
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Yeah, I've never met an MSU grad/student who didn't also get into Michigan.

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June 16th, 2009 at 11:25 PM | I have. They just knew they (Score:1)
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I have. They just knew they wanted to go to State, so they didn't even bother applying to Michigan....

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June 16th, 2009 at 1:45 PM | I have a running offer on (Score:1)
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I have a running offer on RCMB for anyone who went to state and was accepted at Michigan, to post their Michigan acceptance letter. I'd Paypal them $10.

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June 16th, 2009 at 1:54 PM | Oh Boy.... (Score:1)
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Sounds like time and money well spent....

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June 16th, 2009 at 2:05 PM | Did you save any acceptance (Score:1)
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Did you save any acceptance letters from schools you didn't choose?

Yes? Douchebag.

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June 16th, 2009 at 3:34 PM | Actually, that's the kind of (Score:1)
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Actually, that's the kind of little brother thing I could see Spartan fans doing - at least, they would if they actually could gain admission to U-M.

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June 16th, 2009 at 6:28 PM | Precisely. (Score:1)
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Precisely.

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June 16th, 2009 at 3:25 PM | Will I (Score:1)
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Will I get 20 bucks if I show you my UM and MSU acceptance letters to go along with my two Indiana University undergrad degrees?

Eh, it does not matter. Those letters are 20 years old and looooong gone.

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June 17th, 2009 at 1:11 AM | This is a topic that generally comes up every couple years... (Score:1)
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and normally the UofM grad/student talking the most trash turns out to be from UofM * Dearborn or Flint. Am I correct?
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Both school are great the only thing that matters is what you do after college. A diploma from Harvard means jack if you are living in a trailer in Hazeltucky.

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June 20th, 2009 at 2:21 PM | And Dearborn is less (Score:1)
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And Dearborn is less selective than MSU? Being a much smaller school than MSU does not make UM-D a less reputable institution. As someone who has been a student at both A2 and Dearborn campuses I can attest to the lack of profound disparities between curriculum difficulty at the two campuses (of course this depends on field of study, I would imagine).

I agree with your point below, but simply know your facts about the "satellite" campuses before you choose to downplay them as not worthy.

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June 20th, 2009 at 2:30 PM | annecodal, but nonetheless (Score:1)
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i've known a few people whose college choice has come down to UM-D and MSU.

and they picked UM-D.

Harvard: The MICHIGAN of the East

We're not arrogant, we're just better.

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June 18th, 2009 at 3:39 PM | Try these students: (Score:1)
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http://honorscollege.msu.edu/

...although no one saves those letters. Why would you? Please post your MSU acceptance letter. This should be great.

Better yet, I'll Paypal you $100 if your standardized test scores are better than mine. Are you smarter than a MSU alum? Too bad Fox already cashed in on this idea...

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June 18th, 2009 at 3:50 PM | The Honors College @ MSU (Score:1)
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AKA.... the students we could convince to come to MSU b/c we'll give a free ride if you get a 29+ on the ACT.

Harvard: The MICHIGAN of the East

We're not arrogant, we're just better.

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June 18th, 2009 at 5:55 PM | If you're really comparing (Score:1)
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If you're really comparing the top 3-5% of MSU students against your run of the mill UM students, then fine, you may have something.

But that sounds pathetic to you too, right?

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June 18th, 2009 at 6:12 PM | hahaha (Score:1)
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It's no more pathetic than paying someone $10 to post an acceptance letter to a school they didn't attend.

95% can't read, 97% can't write? Catchy.

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June 18th, 2009 at 6:30 PM | I agree with you on the (Score:1)
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I agree with you on the letter topic. I speak only for myself.

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June 18th, 2009 at 9:37 PM | ACT or SAT, or both? (Score:1)
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ACT or SAT, or both?

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June 18th, 2009 at 11:37 PM | Not only do the two of you (Score:1)
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Not only do the two of you have really small cocks, neither of you apparently gets to use it for anything other than this fucking ridiculous pissing contest.

Pro-tip: NO ONE FUCKING CARES!

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June 19th, 2009 at 1:57 PM | I agree that this is a dumb (Score:1)
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I agree that this is a dumb f-ing argument. Nonetheless, going on a board with a bunch of Michigan students/grads and saying that none of us beat his standardized test scores is pretty stupid. I know people who post on this board that I know, flat out, beat whatever MSU guy got on his tests, no matter what they were (unless, of course, his were also perfect).

No matter how strong I am, I'm not going into the Cowboy's weight room and guarantee I can bench more than anyone.

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June 19th, 2009 at 3:05 PM | I know (Score:1)
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I know, flat out, that these people you are referring to don't include karpodiem.

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June 19th, 2009 at 3:11 PM | I'm sure that's true too. In (Score:1)
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I'm sure that's true too. In my experience, the people who have something they can talk shit about, don't.

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June 19th, 2009 at 3:27 PM | Exactly. That's why I called (Score:1)
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Exactly. That's why I called him out on it.

Still waiting on those test scores, karpodiem. If you could, please toss in your bench press and how hot your girlfriend/spouse is. My Paypal account is waiting.

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June 19th, 2009 at 6:41 PM | Hi, this is directed at you (Score:1)
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Hi, this is directed at you too:

Not only do the two of you have really small cocks, neither of you apparently gets to use it for anything other than this fucking ridiculous pissing contest.

Pro-tip: NO ONE FUCKING CARES!

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June 19th, 2009 at 6:49 PM | Yeah, you're just as (Score:1)
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Yeah, you're just as guilty.

And maybe I'm going to sound like a dick here, but this is my opinion. Who's the idiot in this scenario?

Kid 1 gets shitty grades and test scores, so he goes to MSU because it's the best school he can get into. Kid 2 has awesome grades and test scores (yay!) but decides to go to MSU anyway.

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June 19th, 2009 at 6:56 PM | You nailed it (Score:1)
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You do sound like a dick.

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June 19th, 2009 at 7:09 PM | Fair enough, but the SAT and (Score:1)
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Fair enough, but the SAT and ACT serve one purpose only. That's to get into college. The better score you get, the better college you can get into. What good do those lofty scores do you if you go to a school where everyone else did half as well?

That's like saying "I just paid $40K for a new A4," and someone else saying "I paid $40K too, but I got a Ford Focus because I like it better."

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June 19th, 2009 at 7:26 PM | Awful analogy (Score:1)
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Getting an education is about getting an education, not just the name of the school on your degree. And from the sound of it, he probably paid a lot less. So your analogy is terrible.

You sound like a real prick.

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June 19th, 2009 at 7:33 PM | I told you, I really don't (Score:1)
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I told you, I really don't care if I sound like a prick, this is just my opinion. Don't make it seem like education from every school is the same, otherwise no one would work hard and pay the big bucks for the big name schools if they were just as good. Nor would they put themselves through the rigors of the competition. Some people overdo the value of the name on your degree, but saying "education is education" is just a silly claim. There's a reason resumes have a section to list where you got your degree; if employers didn't care, they wouldn't ask. And I'm sure you think all the same employers and recruiters show up for career day at MSU that do at UM too, right?

As for the money, if there is one thing worth investing in it's your future. Over time, the difference is negligible.

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June 19th, 2009 at 8:15 PM | Thanks for clarifying (Score:1)
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I'll tell my kids to think of "education" as the degree, the "big" school name, the "big" job title, and the "big" money. Again, just my opinion, but you sound like a douchebag.

Why would I think the same employers show up at MSU and U-M? I don't think the same recruiters hire at U-M and Northwestern... but that doesn't mean anything about the quality.

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June 20th, 2009 at 1:47 AM | How many times (Score:1)
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does he have to tell you that he doesn't care what he sounds like before you stop actually telling him what you think he sounds like?

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June 19th, 2009 at 7:42 PM | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ (Score:1)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signalling_(economics)

Some people go to school to learn, some go to make money, some go to start a career. It's not my place to judge which, but I'm willing to bet that someone who went to get a certain education is not likely the kind of person that would offer $100 to anyone that beat his test scores in response to some other jackass offering $10 for the same.

And while I agree that ideally the actual education matters more than the school name on the degree, there's a reason that a lot of firms target certain schools for candidates. We were targeting health care MBAs, and we started by posting at what we judged as the top 5 schools.

Bringing this back to college football, if you want to find a superstar, do you start with a field of 3* prospects as judged by others when you could start with a field of 5* prospects? The job market is no different from CFB recruiting, top talent is pursued and desired while lesser talent has fewer offers. Also just like recruiting, some 5* underperform, and some 3* underperform, but what group would you rather be picking from?

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June 19th, 2009 at 8:17 PM | Regarding football recruits (Score:1)
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The African-American group. Based solely on heaps of bone density and muscle mass data.

And yet there's still hope for Caucasians. Why is that?

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June 19th, 2009 at 8:20 PM | Did you read what I wrote? (Score:1)
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Did you read what I wrote?

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June 19th, 2009 at 8:37 PM | Yes (Score:1)
zoltan the destroyer
Joined: 10/28/2008
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Did you understand what I wrote?

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June 19th, 2009 at 9:07 PM | You don't get to pick your (Score:1)
ShockFX
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You don't get to pick your genetics, you do get to pick what school you go to. Pre-disposition to athletics based on genetic composition is distributed by nature. The distribution of academics at UM vs MSU is man-made.

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June 19th, 2009 at 9:33 PM | Yes (Score:1)
zoltan the destroyer
Joined: 10/28/2008
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Which is why I'll take natural talent any day, regardless of any name or distribution. If ever I encourage "average," I'll be sure to follow your linked Wikipedia advice.

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June 19th, 2009 at 9:53 PM | "Which is why I'll take (Score:1)
ShockFX
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"Which is why I'll take natural talent any day, regardless of any name or distribution."

Agreed, what are we arguing about again?

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June 21st, 2009 at 1:49 PM | Haha, more like "I just paid (Score:1)
redcedar87
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Joined: 06/18/2009
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Haha, more like "I just paid $60K for a new S4!" and someone else saying "I bought a new A4 for $5K." Who got the better deal?

You don't have to justify your life decisions to me. "You might be smarter than me, but I have a nicer car!" Good for you.

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June 21st, 2009 at 2:53 PM | How long is it going to take (Score:1)
CrankThatDonovan
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How long is it going to take you to realize that going to a rival's message board and posting about how smart you are is a complete and utter waste of time for all involved?

Go away

"I think you are my favorite poster. The polar bear avatar definitely helps." - ShockFX

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June 21st, 2009 at 1:36 PM | Hint: in case the bench press (Score:1)
redcedar87
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Hint: in case the bench press comment didn't give it away, the Paypal stuff was a joke. Check your humor levels and try again.

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June 19th, 2009 at 12:46 PM | Wait, if you're saying Fox (Score:1)
Yinka Double Dare
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 1794

Wait, if you're saying Fox already cashed in on the idea, are you saying MSU alums have the intelligence of fifth graders?

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June 18th, 2009 at 4:41 PM | We need to get you one of these (Score:1)
Chrisgocomment
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No question, Jim.

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June 16th, 2009 at 12:04 PM | True that... (Score:1)
HartAttack20
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Although some can't even make it into state. And it's those people I am truly embarassed for. (Sarcasm...)

Andy, for the last time, I don't want your giant box of pornography.

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June 16th, 2009 at 12:32 AM | I'm largely unaffected by (Score:1)
Magnus
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I'm largely unaffected by this, because we've all been expecting it for such a long time.

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June 16th, 2009 at 12:36 AM | what was so special (Score:1)
baorao
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about midnight tonight? is it his birthday or something?

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June 16th, 2009 at 8:07 AM | Cinderella (Score:1)
MaizeSombrero
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Joined: 07/19/2008
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He turned into a pumpkin.

I'm a cucumber.  | Twitter

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