Weis was NOT a new coach in '07.
Weis was NOT a new coach in '07.
I am aware of that, but he was still relatively new to the program and needed to get his own recruits in because the upperclasses that year (recruited by Willingham) were very poor.
Not really. Charlie Weis was in his third season. The connection is "traditional powerhouse losing most of its starters and losing to teams like Navy and Toledo on its way to a historically bad season."
Oklahoma is a prime candidate if Bradford leaves. If I'm not mistaken, they are losing most of their offense. Having said that, I bet the worst they would finish is 7-5.
No, it goes beyond "traditional powerhouse losing most of its starters." That happens. If a coach has his program well-established, that kind of thing means a slightly down season. Weis in '07 and RR in '08 did not have their programs established and were both forced to play lots of underclassmen who normally wouldn't have seen the field.
Fine, Weis lost to Syracuse in his 4th year, and didn't get a first down against USC until the 3rd quarter. Was his program not established at that point either?
It wasn't where it will be if he sticks around long-term. I don't think he's a very good coach, but he does recruit well. In 2007 they had almost no upperclass contributors, and this past year they got very little from the seniors. That presumably won't be the case anymore.
I dono how many times i seen pryor throw it into the dirt. The only plus i see of him is his vision to run and speed. No positives on his passing.
OSU has been recruiting well, but whose to say michigan hasnt? I dont look into how many players they recruited arnt on team or not but there players get into lotta trouble. And im sure theyve racked up injuries. Injuries are what hurt us this yr, it could very well happen to them.
Dude, Pryor led the Big Ten in passing efficiency this past season. There is absolutely no comparison between what he'll be as a sophomore and what Clausen/Threet were as frosh. The only way your hypothetical stands any remote chance of being true is if Pryor suffers a season-ending injury.
Try looking at statistics less and watching him play more. However, while you are looking at stats, you might want to notice that he averaged 12 pass attempts per game this season.
I'd ignore the stats, too, if I hated letting factual evidence get in the way of my argument.
Or you could read the other thread were stats are actually discussed and you'd know that you look like an idiot for saying this. Your "factual evidence" (so far you've provided exactly one stat, completion percentage) isn't the most accurate indicator of a quarterback's effectiveness. Instead, you could read the other thread, at which point you would realize that there is a lot of other "factual evidence" (also known as statistics) that tend to show that he's not as effective as you want to believe.
Leading the Big Ten in passing efficiency is not an accurate indicator of his passing ability if he throws about 10 passes a game. If that were the case Pat White would be one of the top 10 passers in the nation. While I agree Pryor is not Sheridan, to say that he's a good passer because he managed not to throw INTs in his 10 pass attempts per game is a poor arguement.
Passing efficiency is based primarily on yards per attempt. When Pryor threw a pass, OSU gained just under eight yards on average, which is outstanding. The stats suggest that Tressel underutilized Pryor's arm.
Again, this is an example of where the stats don't tell the story about his passing ability. As someone else pointed out, he either threw a completion of the ugliest ball I've ever seen with zero accuracy. This is something that did not get any better as the season progressed.
Tressel-ball + the talent at OSU is good for a minimum of 8 games next year.
You're insane. You think OSU will only win 3 games?? Please.
I agree. The Big 10 just isn't good enough (yet) to hold Ohio State to 3 wins.
No just the fact that the BT blows, but the fact that the State of Ohio is a football factory and OSU generally gets every kid they want. The are top 5 in recruiting every year!!!!
True. Which makes me glad we can recruit on a national scale.
I would guess Auburn but they're already coming off of a losing season. My vote goes to Georgia but I still expect more that 3 wins. They're losing their offensive identity (Stafford/Moreno) and play in an extremely competitive league.
As much as I would love to see UOS completely fall off, I don't see it any time soon. They'll be more vulnerable next year but I seriously doubt a losing record.
As far as Pryor, I'm not terrified, yet. Michigan statistically kept him in check most of the day (if that's possible during a 42-7 rout). 120 yds passing and 18 yds rushing (net -7 with three sacks). That was with his JR/SR heavy roster and against Michigan's abysmal 2008 defense.
there are worse things you could do on crack cocaine than make Nick Sheridan comparisons.
PSU is losing 4 of 5 starters on OL, all of their starting WR and I believe 8 of their starters from the 2008 defense. Plus, we have seen PSU have really good seasons in the Big 10, quickly followed by really bad seasons, so the precedent is there.
The one thing that could prop them up record-wise is their OOC schedule as they usually play one of the worst OOC's of any BCS team.
theres a reason pryor is leading in pass efficency, he passes 10-15 times a game. lol vs mich he was 5 for 13. 35%. and -9 rushing.
And they won by eleventy billion.
Freshman, freshman, freshman.
Guy completed 65% of passes, or something close to it, as a freshman. He did far better in his freshman year than I thought he would do in basically his first full year as a starter, and I thought he'd be doing that in his sophomore year. He needs fine-tuning, and that is all.
He actually completed 60.6% which is only 0.4% better than Chad Henne threw as a true freshman. Then again, Henne had 75 more COMPLETIONS than Pryor had ATTEMPTS.
And how did he fare against Ohio State again? Did Michigan win its bowl game?
Allow me to stroke a contemplative beard I do not have.
we know how one player decides the entire game by himself. it was stupid when people brought up pryor beating michigan (as if the RB's didn't have more to do with it) and it was stupid to say Henne lost to Ohio State (as if he was starting at all 11 positions on both sides of the ball)
I did appear that Henne was his own offensive line, with predictable results.
Did Pryor win his bowl game?
You don't get it, do you?
Get what? The future? No I guess not.
The fact is Chad Henne's 2004 freshman team had 183 more total yards than Pryors 2008 team. And that was with one less game. So by these standard Pryor is hardly that prolific...yet.
Pryor is an undeniable athlete, but NONE of us know what the next two years are going to hold. Especially based on 165 pass attempts.
Plus.. hes prob gonna have a whole new WR core, i believe all of em are considering NFL or gradiatomg. Besides posey whos a freshmen
and say PSU, since they lose a lot and a bad break @ QB (ie, injury) could put them in a really bad situation. logan beat me to it.
West Virginia. It will be interesting to see the drop off without White.
HOW COULD I FORGET?!?!
WV was down hill this year with White. Next year doesn't look good for them. Devine is the only guy they have, and he needs another threat to be fully effective.
How about no one? ND07 and UM08 were rare occurences that don't happen every year.
For the sake of my sanity and for the safety of others.
But I think a few teams are due for significant downturns; Georgia returned the most starters in the country in 2008 and turned in that season, they may be truly awful in 2009 if they retain that defensive coordinator.
West Virginia will be in the dumps, to the surprise of the state of West Virginia and no one else. Florida State may be another team that plays well under its talent level, again, but a few bounces of the ball the other way and the Seminoles may end up looking like Notre Dame or Michigan after a while.
You know if Sanchez does leave they definitely won't have the success they had in the previous years. Even if he leaves though, they will have two quality backups who will be able to step in along with an experienced offense.
Sparty. 2 and 10 or 3 and 9.
WVU will be interesting, as word is they will be relying less on the option and more on passing. That's funny, because most of their receivers, aside from lil' Jock Sanders, suck.
Logan Hastie might be good. Who knows.
my best friend's cousin's ex-gf's dogsitter once drove by UF and they said they hear Tebow hates the attention of being a starting QB and is going to switch positions to long snapper and 3rd tackle in goalline situations.
+ Eleventy Billion
Texas won't win a game. Colt McCoy's whole career has been a fluke.
will be a total disaster next year.