Do we know who is going to be featured in the return game?
that makes one of us
No idea but I was kind of hoping it would be MuGuffie
Im guessing it will be Trent. AKA second fastest on the team eh eh.
Our primary kick returner (Minor) and punt returner (Mathews) from last year are returning.
do you think RR will let the #1 WR and #1 RB return?
I seem to remember Charles Woodson and Steve Breaston returning kicks.
so that's a yes?
(just fyi, usually when i use a question mark i'm actually asking a question, it's not sarcasm. i understand how i could be misinterpreted, but in most cases i'm not trying to be a dick and i am actually looking for an answer. of course sometimes i am being a dick)
Here we go again with the myth that kick returning = huge injury risk. Who was the last UM player to get injured returning kicks? I can't remember that ever happening. From Coach Rod's comments it sounds like there will be more starters playing special teams than in the past.
And I'm not saying I'm right - just that it would be silly to have the conversation without even mentioning the returning starters.
a grudging +1 to you sir.
They should use him. I've used him as my PR and KR in NCAA 09 and I won returner of the year with him. In my second season, he's returned a bunch of punts and a kickoff for TDs. Obviously, the coaching staff would be stupid not to use him.
That is a stupid reason for Warren to return kicks. Video Games are not always accurate with reality. Give me a better reason than just "I play good with him in a video game".
I think Warren returned a few last year? Didn't he have that punt return where he ran like 900 total yards, juked about 15 dudes, and gained 3 yards in the process?
umfan, I give Tim plenty of shit, but I'm about One bazillion percent sure he's joking, and that your sarcasm meter is fried.
I'm just guessing here, but I think either Shaw or McGuffie (or both) will get a crack at it.
I'd like to see any of those freshman dudes back there - Odoms, Robinson, Shaw or McGuffie. The problem you run into, then, is that you have freshman returning kicks. Which can result in things like bad decisions, fumbles, etc.
I think it's worth it.
I vote Carlos Brown. He has experience, he's fast as shit, and dangerous. I know it'd fun to see the freshmen, but I don't need to see guys fielding punts on the goal line.
Yeah, everyone can fuck it up, I just think experience may mitigate that a bit.
I want shaw out there - he seems to have a great combo of speed to get away from the initial pursuit and power to bowl over some dbs and kickers trying to stop him from scoring.
I disagree with the Carlos Brown returning kicks. While he is very fast and experienced. I dont think he has good vision, i think his agility is overrated and he doesnt seem to have great balance. I see him kinda falling over a lot. On a lot of his runs last year, he would kind of stumble forward and fall to the ground w/o a ton of contact.
I think we should put whomever most resembles Devin Hester back there. ............. Aand Odoms it is.
...it's not Minor and Mathews. Brown, McGuffie and Shaw would all seem to be better options at KR. Robinson, Odoms and maybe Horn would all seem to be better options at PR.
Of course, I'm saying this without having seen 80% of those guys actually return a kick in college.
The funny thing is that all this is being said based on:
1 clip of shaw steam-rolling Cissoko.
1 2-year old clip of McGuffie hurdling a dude.
1 big, steaming pile of never seeing any of these freshmen do anything.
So, yeah. We know nothing.
My desire is supported only by what those guys purported skills were in HS. Which is why I won't lose my shit when I see Mathews trot out to return the first punt of the season.
Or maybe because Mathews and Minor did nothing last year at the position, and Shaw and McGuffie are fast and could have big play potential? Nobody's saying they're the next Devin Hesters here, just that they can contribute.
when MSU played NU in the alamo and Drew stanton was on ST and blew his knee out?
now that was 'sparty, no!'
Brandon Harrison, Steve Brown, and Morgan Trent have been returning kickoffs in practice.
Donovan Warren, Martavious Odoms, and Terrence Robinson have been returning punts.
Mathews has been removed from consideration, presumably because of his lack of big-play capability.
it seems like KR requires a great deal of strength (upper classmen, all) but PR just needs guys with moves (under classmen, all). i'm a little surprised shaw/Mcguffie aren't listed.
Shaw is more of a straight-line speed type of guy. He's neither strong nor particularly elusive, so I don't know why you're surprised.
However, McGuffie does have those traits. I'm not sure why he isn't listed. Maybe he doesn't have good enough hands or something. I don't know.
neither strong nor particularly elusive, why is he at WR/RB or even playing football? the point is, shaw seems to be getting lots of pub as a FR contributor, but not so much with Martavious Odoms and Terrence Robinson. if he's more elusive as a RB/WR, then he's more elusive as a PR. i guess more elusive is more elusive.
By that logic, any football player should be getting looks at returner.
Look at the guys who are listed as returners. The punt returners are all jitterbug guys (Odoms, Robinson, etc.). The kickoff returners are veterans with good speed.
Shaw is smallish (undeveloped), and his strength is his straight-line speed. Straight-line speed isn't the ONLY requisite quality for a returner. He also has to be able to find seams, catch the ball, break tackles, etc. I'm not saying he DOESN'T have those qualities, but the other ones definitely seem to.
The last injury I can recall to a return man was Tripp Wellbourne (spl?) against Minnesota in 1990. I think it basically ended his career.
Wheatley got hurt in 1994 on one of the punt teams (I believe punt cover), but he was not the returner.
Hopefully, with the influx of these electron types, we will have someone who has a little bit of shake and can still make a decent decision and catch the ball. Injuries aren't really a concern in my opinion. And any "hidden" yardage we can pick up will be a major benefit to our offense.
why aren't they getting 1st crack at RB/slot?
and yes, any non lineman/LBer/TE/FB should get a look. why not?