I've always wondered how this decision is made. I'm sure there are many more fans out there with more knowledge than I concerning this issue. At what point is a player no longer able to be red shirted-could a sophmore player be red shirted? Which Players do feel will get the red shirt this year? Seems like this is the time in the season when this question comes to fruition. Can McGuffie still be red shirted if he is hurt?
Which player will get the red shirted
McGuffie has played too much to be red-shirted this season. You can get a red-shirt any year. For instance, Boren is red-shirting this year, which would be jun Junior year at OSU, to avoid losing a year of eligibility to transferring. Same w/ Mallett at Arkansas.
If you play during a year but I believe it is less then 1/2 a season. For example Hemmingway is likely to get a medical redshirt as long as he does not play the last 4 games.
The conferences award medical redshirts to players who have suffered to terrible injuries or who are injured during too much of the season to play. See Sammie Stroughter (Oregon State), and Ben Mauk tried for a 6th year of eligibility at cincinnati.
oh shit, i meant to aks if it was too late to redshirt Michael Shaw? I sure as hell hope not. We haven't used him at all past the first few games. Maybe he can fake an injury to get one.
is no longer eligible for redshirting?Can Michael Shaw be red shirted? Good question Mason- I still don't understand at what point of playing an athelte is no longer able to be red shirted. Can a player refuse to be redshirted? I ask because with the season going the way it has to this point would it not make sense to redshirt some of Michigan's younger players? Whenever I've asked sports buffs these questions, I "always" get different answers, which makes me believe alot of fans are in the dark about redshirting players. If a player is declared to be redshirted, how does that affect his scholarship? Would a redshirted freshmen, have to pay for his college expenses if he decided to play his 5th year? Once a player is declared redshirted, is that player no longer eligible for the season-can he be "unredshirted"? Thanks for the help to these questions.
From the NCAA site:
"It does not matter how long you were involved in a particular competition (for example, one play in a football game, one point in a volleyball match); you will be charged with one season of competition."
That being said, the governing body is allowed to make special exemptions. Medical redshirts occur fairly frequently, especially when an injury or illness occurs within the first couple weeks of the season. Hemingway would probably be an example of this.
There are many common misconceptions about the "redshirt." The main one is that there is no such thing as a player who is "being redshirted." At the end of the season, the team looks at their roster and determines who used up a year of eligibility and who didn't. Teams don't have to declare redshirts, they happen automatically--no paperwork required. It's not a matter of choice for the player, either; if you are a freshman and you do not play, you still have 4 years of eligibility left. Your team may give you 4 more years of scholarships (if they want).
As far as the medical redshirt is concerned, that is a little different. It requires paperwork, and official NCAA approval. If a football player plays 3 games or less, and is injured before the start of the 7th game, he may apply for a medical redshirt. If he has not yet been redshirted, the application is almost always granted. If he has already had a redshirt year, the 6th year of eligibility is a little more problematic, but it is usually granted. Given those rules, Shaw and Hemingway are not eligible for the medical redshirt--Shaw has played in 6 games, and Hemingway played in 4 games.
Everything can be appealed, though, and if you ask nicely, sometimes the NCAA grants an exception, if they are in a good mood.
Shaw has played way to much and has not medical issue, in fact I bet he gets at least 5 carries tomorrow.
Hemmingway is going to get a redshirt from the ncaa, you get mono after the 3rd game and miss 75% of the season thats pretty much a sure thing.
I don't have any real proof but I suspect that coaches give the player
a lot of say in whether they redshirt or not. I sure a possible
redshirt is discussed in the recruiting process. It may be hard for us
to imagine but I think some kids have life situations and goals that
don't include 5 seasons of Michigan football. This probably happens
more for kids who don't see themselves NFL bound. I have seen a lot of
criticism of Carr and Rod when I suspect the coaches are respecting the
kids decisions to not redshirt.
I don't know whether this is true or not. Whether the kid wants to play that year or not, the coaches are going to use their players at the coaches' disposal. For example, if JT Floyd said "I want to play this year" but Rodriguez doesn't see an opportunity for him on the field, then he'll just keep him out of games. Regardless, the kid can leave after four years - either as a true senior or a redshirt junior. It's not like the coaches can prevent a kid from leaving after four years if the kid wants.
Bottom line: The coaches are going to try to put the best players on the field, regardless of age or redshirt status. (Exceptions might occur near the end of the year, for example, when the coaches might keep Terrance Robinson off the field because he'd burn a year of eligibility to play 3 or 4 games.)
FWIW, the second Shaw stepped on the field vs. Utah, the possibility of redshirting him was gone.
"...the second Shaw stepped on the field vs. Utah, the possibility of redshirting him was gone."
chitownblue: that's not exactly correct. As I clumsily explained above, there are 2 types of redshirt. For the first type, what I will call the "basic" redshirt, that statement is correct. It is only obtained by not playing for an entire season.
But there is what is commonly called the "medical redshirt"--what the NCAA calls the "hardship waiver." It is explained in section 14.2.4 of the NCAA manual. This is when a player plays in less than 30 percent of his team's games and is injured before the halfway point in the regular season.
Shaw is not eligible for this type of redshirt either, obviously, but he did not lose his eligibility for it "the second he stepped on the field vs. Utah." He lost it the second he stepped on the field vs. Illinois (his fourth game of the season).
...is the opposite of correct.
He said in a recent interview something like "people have been asking me about the redshirted players.."
Rod went on to explain Michigan is fielding it's best players.. as much raw talent JT Floyd or Kenny Demens or whoever might have, the coaching staff feels like they aren't ready to see playing time yet.
Feagin burned his redshirt today for less than a handful of special teams plays. I don't get it. If he's going to play the slot, have him play the slot when he's ready. Why burn a year for special teams?
because he's no good and really no use to them i assume. i bet they did it to free up that scholie in 4 years rather than 5...smart move. dumb move putting JB in on special teams imo as i assume he'll be/is good.
Alton cleared up another of my questions about scholarships and the red shirt, Alton states"Your team may give you four more years of scholarships (if they want)". I understand you to say that the redshirt year could be a scholarship year if the college chooses such. I assume that decision is made by the college during the last year of eligibility? This might explain why some fifth year seniors decide not to play out their fifth year-no scholarship money-the play walks.
So with the above knowledge, one could certainly argue why waste a redshirt opportunity with Shaw and Feagin. These players should now be played more with the season records gone-next year can't get here soon enough for this fan. Thanks again for the help.
A few points:
- During the recruiting process redshirting is discussed for several reasons. These reasons can be, one or a combination of: depth at position, skill development, body development, grades, etc. Each institution and student-athlete has different circumstances.
- I believe there might be a misconception that an institution can only pay (scholarship) for four years of schooling. As long as the player has eligiblity remaining during that school year and he/she is on a roster the athletic program can use a scholarship on that person. Whether that year occurs as redshirting as a freshman right out of high school or as a 6th year senior, who applied and was granted a hardship waiver (medical redshirt), it does not matter.
- I also believe that the NCAA might use playing less than 30% of the season for all sports when applying for a hardship waiver. I don't know how they work with football, as much as I do basketball, but they are very strict on the 30%. In basketball, all post-season games (conference tournament, NIT and NCAA tournament) only count as one game toward toward the teams overall total when computing the 30%. Last year, North Carolina's Bobby Frasor tore the ligaments in his knee and played in like 30.8% of UNC's game and was not granted an extra year of eligibility. Carolina fans were excited because they thought with all the games they played (7 in the ACC and NCAA tournament) he had only played in 26% of the games, but, as stated before, any amount of post-season games still only counts as one towards the 30% when computing for the hardship waiver.
I've been told that you can't redshirt a player if that player is over 21yr.s of age? Anyone know if that is true?
You are allowed to redshirt a student-athlete no matter his/her age. Chris Weinke, at 28 years old, could have redshirted during the year he won the Heisman (2000) if Florida State wanted and had him play the next year to use his fifth year of elgibility.
- All student-athletes have 5 years to complete 4 years of competition. The extra year left over is the redshirt year (optional). Per NCAA rules, once a student-athlete starts his/her elgibility a 5 year "clock" starts. Once the clock expires, the student-athletes exhausts his/her eligibility. Example: if John Linebacker went to Michigan out of high school and played two seasons then left Michigan but did not play football for any college for two more years (4 total years) and wanted to return to college football, John would only have one year of eligibility left. There are infinite examples and scenarios.
The clock starts either when the player plays his/her first game or attends his/her first college class, whichever comes first. So for winter or spring sports, the clock starts on the first day of fall classes (assuming the player attends).