…but they apparently didn't make it. Meanwhile, the other plane that may or may not have Dave Brandon aboard is in Dallas, where a coaching convention is going on. So either Les Miles is approaching done or Brandon is in Dallas interviewing anyone who looks at him funny and the winged helmet plane heading to Baton Rouge every hour on the hour is just a bizarre coincidence.
Or both. It's likely that UM reps of some variety are in both places, so Les Miles is in play and they're talking but nothing is certain so they're trying to scout out backup plans.
who wants a coach with 4 top 10 finishes in 6 years??? Only a fool!
Who thinks shafting student athletes to get there is wrong.
Isn't there an NFL team you can root for? I think that's more your speed...
What catches my attention in the clip is what it says on the tracker "LSU- 24 points allowed in 3 SEC games this season (team's fewest since 1972)".
What he's permitted to do, but someone who would do what's right, in any situation, particularly as it regards the player.
But that's looking futile at this point. Michigan is showing is all it takes to sell out Bo's beliefs is a little losing. Great day for Michigan.
Well, as long as we're making him out to be an axe murderer...
So guys are either Jesus or Ax Murderers...and everyone in between are equal. Nice straw man.
I mean, I know you're taking this seriously and all, but this is reaching Section 1 Freep-rant levels.
For someone who defends Lloyd at every turn, I thought you might too. But it's looking more and more like a justification to not like Rich than really believe what Lloyd thought was valuable about college athletics.
And this is not old news. This is about to happen. It only becomes Section 1 level till I'm bringing it up in Miles season 3 or whatever.
I figure Miles is nature's way of telling me to get my ass to grad school and support their program for a few year. Miles is pretty close to retirement, unless he pulls a zombie JoePa type of gig, so his tenure would be short.
I could see him here for 8-10 years.
I outlasted the others, I'll outlast him. And you'll outlast many more. It'll just change how strongly you believe in it for a little while.
Well, I guess we're getting a nice preview of what this place will be like for the next few years.
If any of this mattered in the least, he wouldn't be a candidate. Obviously losing changes things.
But won't hear it from me. There's no point in railing against the guy once he's here. My love for the program will wane a little, but I won't abandon it. We'll win more, and the vast majority won't care what we gave up to get it. Then someday he'll be gone and Michigan Football will still be around. Just a little less than what it was.
Not that different from the sanctions you hated so much (in Rich's case; the one's coming to LSU now don't seem to bother you much...); it's a black eye, but not life threatening harm. Michigan Football is bigger than any coach, Bo, Lloyd, Rich, or Les. I just hopes it stands for the same things.
So what? We get Hoke, who you like? There aren't many other promising options, so let's take that one hypothetically. It is likely, though not certain, that he is a decent but not great coach based on his record. So we get a 10-win ceiling that we hit once every 3ish years? That's what a decent coach would probably do here based on the current state of the program. I'm sure Hoke is a great guy, but you don't pick the most moral guy to coach football when he's not the most competent. If he wins 8-9 games every year, when he leaves, Michigan football will be MUCH less than what it was.
I agree with Bando, even though he's being outrageously inconsistent considering how he treated RichRod, but then I'm not shocked that he is incapable of rationality.
But is is interesting that you think there are only 2 guys Brandon can hire - Miles = win, Hoke = Fail; and there are no other coaches in the world. Unfortunately it sounds like you're on Brandon's advisory committee. Which would explain a lot about the search process.
Uh, good one? I asked you for alternatives, noted your constant support of Hoke (hard to miss when you post in every thread), and suggested he might not be ideal. I think Gruden and Patterson would be ideal, but failing that, I seriously doubt we can do better than Miles.
Here you have attacked Miles for engaging in the usually SEC slimery, and I think that's legitimate. But to act like 1) it will unquestionably continue, 2) will fundamentally lessen the program from its current sorry state, or 3) that it would be worse than being mediocre for years is ridiculous, and from your constant negs on this topic I'm guessing most people agree. Your pathetic attempts at sarcasm and humor aside, I don't see you offering any options, just "Miles bad, Hoke good." If DB is only able to come up with the opposite of that premise, he's at least doing better than you.
Serious. Half your posts exists just to take the piss out of me. I guess I should be proud to have my own Internet stalker, I just wish he could come up with arguments, not insults.
I mean negs?! Ha, last night I was overwhelmingly pos'd for it. Means nothing. Other than the board is panicking so much that they're becoming like you, and thinking winning is more important than doing things the right way. So yes, I don't think the lack of winning in the program right now is worse than doing shady stuff. Sorry to all of you who only pay attention to it on Saturday so you can brag to your Sparty co-workers on Monday.
And it wasn't a question, it was a baseless accusation. If you've actually READ all my posts you claim to see, I have said Hoke isn't the end of the world like so many have made it out to be. But I've named other names, and said Hoke probably isn't the best because the fanbase wouldn't get behind him. I've admired Patterson's D, said Mullen's O and northern roots would make him a hood fit, and that Gruden was unlikely, but would be a recruiting splash. And that Brandon could go outside the box and do very well. It's hardly been a "nobody but Hoke", as much as an "anybody but Miles". (Or someone worse...I hope I don't have to say "anybody but Saban"...but hey, he wins!!). In that regard, for a change, Brian and I see eye to eye. The fact that he's been do quiet on it lately tells me he's either afraid of pissing off the new coach, or just do resigned by the way his readers differ so much from him that he's given up.
I think you can find some mere mortals who coach and put their players well being first. The guy on your avatar who you ironically don't think much of could. But I don't think he could make wine out of water.
He played by the rules of the SEC. If he did not he would lose. Not to mention that he did not screw these kids, as you claim. If these kids were good enough to be offered a scholarship they can transfer to another university and play football, or go through college like the other 99 percent of people and pay for it themselves with loans or their parents money.
This delusion that the NCAA is anything other than a business is comical. Its time to start paying the players for the work they do, and the millions of dollars the university makes off them. Then when a coach cuts a player, it's a business decision, which its always been.
And your view of college football differs from what it's been at Michigan for 40 years. It may be changing to your viewpoint.
Or the athlete simply could have gone to a lower ranked school where they would have been a more competitive recruit or to a conference that has a policy against that. I don't like the policy one bit, but I don't particularly blame competitive coaches for following it when its available. If there is any credibility for Les spreading rumours about Lloyd during recruting, I would find that much more disturbing.
By that logic, we can never talk about Nick Saban's ethics again because he is playing by the rules of the SEC.
I completely agree. The conference circumstances surrounding Les Miles' actions are completely immaterial.
... totally understand your point of view. I've been wrestling with this issue -- should he do what is morally right as defined by some higher power or should he do what's morally right by the rules defined within the organization in which he works.
He was hired by an organization to play within their rules and succeed. Can he do the same within our organization with a stricter moral code?
I haven't been able to resolve this issue by myself (with help of whisky), but one thing that is pretty evident is that even playing within the rules defined by the SEC, he still hasn't been classy and honest about it. He's just seemed weasily, and that, more than anything scares me.
If he is our coach, sobeit. But I only hope that we do not tolerate any of that southern morality that to me still reeks of racism and aristocracy and resembles nothing of education and the development of our youth.
an accent, because we are remarkably tolerant in A2, as long as you look, act, and speak like one of us.
of what happened to Harrick at UCLA... and that was after he won a national championship. Their AD and President didn't like him (AD inherited him) more on cultural grounds and personality. Interestingly, Harrick was from WV if I remember correctly, and not sophisticated enough for UCLA's self image. Sound familiar?
I don't want to defend his actions at LSU, but that could be the product of the SEC.
Mark Richt doesn't follow that maxim.
M-Wolverine. A question for you. Not being snarky at all, just curious. Who, since you are adamantly against Miles , who appears publicly to be one of two only interested coaches interested in coming, would you prefer come that you beilieve is interested at this time? It appears to me that Miles and Hoke are the only ones that seem to be remotely in play at this time. Would you rather have Hoke than Miles?
I would. No qualms about it.
Nobody does but Brandon. But to try and answer your questions, I'd take anybody who is going to do things the right way, and support them. And that includes Hoke. Though I think there are people that would satisfy more people than Hoke who also don't have the track record publicized by Brian, then ESPN, of shady actions who could qualify.
Thanks. Like I said, just curious. I too, would not have a problem with Hoke. If Miles was the one chosen, happy about it or not, I would still support him for the good of the program. I know he has done shady things as far as recruiting goes and I would hope that would be a major focus of Brandons' if he is in fact in the process of interviewing him.
fans of teams that don't have 4 top 10 finishes in 6 years.
When you cheat. Do it with honor, and you've accomplished something.
Did I miss something?
I do not condone his actions with that recruit, and while that's not uncommon practice in the SEC world of oversigning kids, it would at Michigan, where we might be on probation, but we don't do shit like that. But the bottom line is simple, Miles wins. He'll win at Michigan, and he's winning in the top conference in college football. I think he can do just as well in the Big Ten, even minus the shady shit that he's done in the past. Just saying...
The guy is a great coach, recruiter.
And that's what we need.
A great coach who doesn't do it. Maybe Brandon can't.
sanctions may be coming LSU's way.
Has to be contingent on DB (and LC if involved) being 100% certain that Les will clean up his act. Question is whether or not that actually hamstrings his recruiting/coaching ability for us.
Whether the hire is Miles or someone else, we need to unite the fan base and be supportive of the program. We know it matters to recruits, and I believe it can affect the current players as well.
when in rome...