is 10 years. Twice in that period.
We had good teams also betwen 87 and 97. Can't remember when the losses were, without looking it up, though.
A very special mailbag, with just one question. This one has been asked, or implied by people sending me reasons the play of the team is definitely the fault of the coaches, by many, many people the past couple weeks. If you sent one, I read it. I'm not responding except here. Sorry. Usually I try to be better about it.
The platonic ideal:
Just talk me off the ledge...
Please explain what it would take for you to no longer support Rich Rod. What specifically has to happen? And then, please state not just what you expect to see from the program in the coming years, but how the team will improve? To me, that's why I just can't support Rich Rod anymore. Show me where are the underclassmen who will show improvement and how you actually see the coaches making them better.
I just don't see it. Instead, I see a mentally soft team, that while yes, has serious deficiencies, is currently losing to teams that also have serious deficiencies. Our players seem to be all over the place and just poorly coached in general.
Like I said, talk me off the ledge..
I get emails like this because I've been a supporter of Rodriguez throughout his tenure at Michigan and am moving much more slowly towards the conclusion that Rodriguez should be fired than the rest of the universe. The emailer asks for specifics. To set ground rules, here are the assumptions I am working with.
Virtually nothing that happened in 2008 was avoidable, and it was mostly not Rodriguez's fault. Michigan's program had already been gutted by attrition and poor motivation by the time Rodriguez made it to campus, and the exodus of offensive stars in the aftermath of his hiring was an inevitable consequence of the radical shift in offensive philosophy.
I have it from reliable sources Ryan Mallett was gone no matter who was the coach and that Manningham was headed for the NFL after three years from day one. Arrington left because Mallett left. Boren left because he was asked to put in the same amount of effort as the rest of the team and not given special exemptions to go be Mr. Plow. If you want to blame Rodriguez for Boren, fine. Add him to the team last year and you still have a disaster of an offense that starts Nick Sheridan most of the year.
Arguments that Rodriguez should have stuck with a pro-style offense he's never coached and forgo the installation of his system in order to get to 5-7 when hardly anyone on the roster has even played in a pro-style system have been discussed already; I think they are silly.
Rodriguez is not responsible for the enormous holes on the roster. Rodriguez has had a single full recruiting class and had a brief window in which to patch some spread-type players onto Carr's last class. The gaping holes on defense and the lack of talent at outside receiver and offensive line are almost entirely Lloyd Carr's doing. The freshmen quarterbacks are a combination of Carr putting every egg for three years in Mallett's basket and the radical shift in offensive philosophy.
This has been discussed elsewhere on the blog; I won't belabor the point.
Hiring Scott Shafer was a terrible mistake, and the other hires are questionable. At the very least it was a misjudge of the guy's ability to fit in on the staff. At worst, he allowed his DC to get submarined and saw the defense implode because of his assistants' impatience.
This may extend to Rodriguez's other hires as well: Jay Hopson has recruited very few players as Michigan withdrew entirely from Mississippi after last year's debacle; Hopson also secured the commitments of both defensive tackles who went elsewhere on signing day. His linebacking corps has regressed horribly.
And while the jury is still be out (very, very out) on Robinson given the players he has to work with, but his track record since his salad days with the Broncos is one of relentless failure with a single good-not-great year at Texas mixed in.
It is worth noting that the guys who can really be considered DeBord-style crony legacy folk are Magee, Tall, Smith, and Gibson. Dews is a vagabond who was a grad assistant at WVU for a few years before wandering around to Holy Cross, CMU, and UNLV. Frey was picked off from South Florida a year before Rodriguez left WVU and had no prior connection to Rodriguez. Hopson is obviously new. Fred Jackson was an enforced hire by the Michigan AD.
The crony guys are the offensive coordinator who everyone loves, the DL coach who is, IME, doing a very good job, the QB coach who helped Pat White be Pat White, and… well… Tony Gibson. At this point I'd rather see Rodriguez hire a guy he knows inside and out; the folk he brings in from the outside haven't done that well.
We are not at the point yet where the deficiencies in the team are clearly the doing of the coaches. It's pretty suggestive at linebacker, sure. But the secondary is just a disaster zone and would be a disaster zone if Monte Kiffin cloned himself eight times and had all eight players try to teach the safeties how to play football. The offense has improved greatly from year one to year two and has done so with true freshmen at quarterback. Since Rodriguez has a track record of success, he should be extended the benefit of the doubt.
They're not "soft." They don't play like mincing Frenchmen. They play like speed-addled kids with ADD. They are irresponsible and sometimes dumb. This is because they are terribly young or Michigan's linebackers. What does "soft" even mean? Jonas Mouton blowing coverages and cutback lanes game after game is not soft. Mike Williams overrunning everyone on Illinois is not soft. Michigan blowing assignments on the Illinois goal line stand is not soft.
It takes time to dig out.
Michigan was not a 3-9 team by accident; they had the talent of a 3-9 team. If you disagree with that, it's probably to suggest that Michigan was really a 5-7 or 4-8 team that Rodriguez screwed up into being a slightly more horrible team, right?
If you think that Michigan's downfall was entirely Rodriguez-made and you're pointing to the gutted recruiting classes that were in the top ten at their inception but have been ground down to dust, you can safely move on from this post since nothing in it will convince you. My opinion is that a combination of poor late stewardship from Carr and the wrenching transition to the opposite of Lloyd Carr in so many ways is what doomed us to this transition.
I expect Rodriguez to provide continual improvement until Michigan is back to being Michigan. That's my baseline. I'm not exactly thrilled with what's gone on this year but I think it's understandable. Given the roster situation and the chaos at DC—which Rodriguez is responsible for—this Michigan team is within the range in which Rich Rodriguez is not an idiot who got lucky with Pat White and Steve Slaton. It's towards the lower end of the range but it is in the range. It takes time to dig out from the hole they were in.
Next year, Michigan must be better than they are this year. I have no idea where the emailer is getting the idea that Michigan can't be a better team when they return at least 16 starters on offense and defense, with Donovan Warren a potential 17th, some combination of Dorrestein and Omameh a potential 18th, and Darryl Stonum a functional 19th.
Additionally, the players on this team are still extremely young. There are 11 starters on the team who are sophomores or freshman by eligibility, and many of the guys with redshirts in there are guys like Hemingway, Huyge, and Molk who missed large chunks of time with injury. The quarterbacks should take huge leaps forward in their second year. The only spot at which Michigan should be appreciably worse next year, excepting special teams, is Brandon Graham. That will be a major loss; it won't offset improved play at every position on the field.
So, sure. If you really don't think Michigan is going to be better next year I can understand why you'd want to see Rodriguez fired. I also think you're completely nuts.
If they aren't obviously better, then Rodriguez should be fired. If they don't make a bowl game, if they aren't obviously moving away from the Big Ten cellar, if they don't approach yardage parity against BCS opponents, Rodriguez should be fired. I think all of those things are seriously unlikely, and am willing to invest a year to find out. Where it is in black and white: acts of God nonwithstanding, Michigan has to go 8-5 next year or Rodriguez should be cut loose. 7-6 might be okay if the bowl matchup is obviously bad.
This is the last I'll say about it until next year.
is 10 years. Twice in that period.
We had good teams also betwen 87 and 97. Can't remember when the losses were, without looking it up, though.
When Coach Rod was hired I thought he should have 4 yrs before I judged him. I haven't seen anything that would make me change my mind. Yes, it would be disappointing to miss out on a bowl game again, and yes, I'm very disappointed that I haven't seen a lot of improvement week to week. But I can't see calling for his head now, or even after next year. It's just too soon.
There is way too much drama with RR, and I get the nagging feeling that we should be seeing much more improvement from week to week than we are . . . but folks, if we booted him now would anybody really be able to say that they have truly seen what he could do?
Mary Sue is right in the sense that when Tommy A was let go, we had seen the full picture. Nothing was going to change.
After the Illinois game I was not on the "Fire Rich Rod" bandwagon, but i was to the point that I needed to see improvement from both RR and Forcier before I got back to the "Let's see where we finish, and see what we can do next year" side. Saturday I did see improvement from Tate, now alot of it could've been because they were playing Purdue, but that effort could help him alot going into the final to games of the season. Overly optimistic? based on what we've seen this year, yeah, probably so. As far as RR showing me improvement, I think Minor's effort showed that when he has all the pieces he needs then his offense can be Very impressive, especially the running game and the slot position.
Now am I saying everything is all "Tea and Crumpets"? Hell NO, If hopson is coaching a group of very athletic, yet very clueless LB's, and he's not contributing to the team by recruiting very well, then he needs to go. Robinson should get one more year to get these kids where they need to be. If it doesn't work out then odds are that RR will probably be gone too, so we'll be looking for a whole new staff not just a DC.
We all know that the "OMG...what if they lose this game..." part of the schedule is behind them. I've said it on another post, but after seeing RR's reaction to the Danny Hope ordeal at the press conference He just looked really pissed off that they are where they are, and I think the next two weeks he's going to coach his ass off. Will it make a difference? Hopefully, but maybe not. I think thats the best we can expect at this point, and move forward. I for one am willing to give this staff one more shot and hopefully they won't let me down.
There's an appropriate site for anti-RR advocacy, spleen-venting and program myopia: http://firerrod.com/. It should be active at least through next season. And for nostalgia check out the archives at http://www.sackcarr.com/. (Those were the days.) Consider this as a public service announcement for a select few just in case they didn't receive the memo.
Thank you for points o' approval, system and beyond. Please look for me in the stands and introduce yourself. I'll be the gentleman, emphasis, draped in live wolverines and carrying a meat sack with a few hapless moles tossed inside. I am that guy.
I appreciate all the info all year long. I am a much more informed UM fan than ever before, so thanks. That being said, if I was not as informed as I am today, I would not be a RR fan. I am however an informed fan and an RR fan. In most professions, it take more than a couple of years to correct a ship that big. Give the man some space.
There's no sense in removing Robinson and having the already confused defensive players learn yet another system. I do agree that if the defense continues to struggle, there may very well be 5+ losses next season, which very well may lead to RR's dismissal. Offensively, I really think there will be improvement to a point where the offense will be one of the better ones in the country and one of the best in the B10. It can't be great because the QB situation, but given the transition I'll take it. The irony is that defense, which has never been what RR is about, is going to determine his future. He needs to get involved himself, starting now. He has to see what the coaches want, identify factions and remove them. I actually think he needs to coach defense alongside Robinson and focus on fundamentals. There is clearly a disconnect between the defensive coaches and the defensive players and only a head coach can intervene to restore order. There's enough on offense, with Magee, Smith, Frey and Jackson to allow RR to devote more time to the defense.
I'm not one to harp on the past, but in retrospect I really think the best idea would have been to keep English. While the defense clearly was unprepared to stop the spread, we should note that English could have very well been part of the insurgency that led to the departure of the ultra conservative Jim Herrmann. In his place, English's defenses were a bit more versatile, though clearly not enough to stop the spread. Still, he was a safety or two away from stopping USC's offense. I think he was moving in the right direction, albeit slowly. Having that anchor would have ensured a smoother transition on defense and maybe in 2-3 years the complete package to stop the spread would be in place. I guess what I'm trying to say is the defense would have been much further along with English that it is now, which is an absolute mess. If the whole goal was to leave the defense to someone else, why stop a transition that was already slowly taking place?
This is a good point to jump in and analyze where Michigan has come undone from.
Jim Hermann's defenses after the Woodson era really started to rapidly decline. Of course, most of the guys on the 1996-1998 defenses were recruited by the Moeller coaching staff and Greg Mattison. Hermann's defense always seemed to underperform. Look at 2000. A great offense - Henson, Thomas, and Terrell. Remember the Northwestern game, the game "legitimized the spread offense in college football". That offense was explosive. It was the year before in 1999. But the 2000 defense couldn't stop Purdue, couldn't stop UCLA, and couldn't stop Northwestern. (okay, the UCLA loss was more about a redshirt freshman playing his first road game and Epstein missing key field goals ..).
Look at the 2003 team. For all the criticism John Navarre got, against both Oregon and Iowa, he managed to put up tons of yards and points in those games in rally mode. But the defense couldn't get critical stops. 2004 wasn't that much different - see Rose Bowl v. Texas.
Let's look at 2006 - Ron English's first year at the helm. Great defense? No, a great front seven - look at the starters - Woodley, Taylor, Branch, Biggs, Crable, Harris, and Burgess. David Harris never got he credit for being the stud he was. That stuffed the run, sacked quarterbacks, and covered up for shotty secondary play. Up until OSU, everyone thought the yards passing given up where garbage time yards. But Troy Smith carved up the secondary, and then USC did the same. What 20 straight passing plays in the second half off a three step drop. We stuffed USC in the first half. 3 step drops assured the pass rush couldn't get there. They didn't even try to run the ball. so despite the offense of Henne, Hart, Long, Breaston, Manningham ... we got creamed by USC. My point is, English was overrated - look at the talent he had. The secondary sucked, as it had for years. There was no appreciable difference between English or Hermann in overall results.
In 2000 (while Henson was injured), 2001, and 2004, we could start freshman or redshirt freshman at QB and get away with it because they had a Thomas or Hart or Perry to hand off to, a future NFL offensive lineman to block for them, and a Terrell, Edwards, Avant, Breaston or Walker to throw to to counteract a suspect defense. Last year, no one to hand off to like Thomas or Hart, no one like Long to block, and no receivers even reaching Avant or Walker talent. Robinson's got nothing to work with. The only way you even consider replacing him is if either a) Bud Carson comes back from the dead and wants to be an assistance coach at teh college level, or b) Bob Stoops doesn't want to keep blowing BCS bowl games, will be a DC, and you have Bill Snyder load up the UM schedule with cupcakes and stock the team with questionable JC transfers.
Or, perhaps Michigan should have kept Vance Bedford around for more than a year during his second go around. Seems to be working for Florida.
I am confused who will want the michigan job after RR gets the boot after year 2 that could possibly be better than RR. GERG Schiano from the football powerhouse Rutgers turned down the job, as did the 1 year on 4 year off genius from Iowa. LES MILES turned down the job independent of RR
Michigan did not win a BCS bowl game since 2000 and a Rose Bowl since 1998. WVU won BSC bowl games in 2006, 2007. If the loss to app state did not tell you, the program has been in decline for some time.
RR was one of the best coaches in the country at WVU and still is. Did he suddenly forget how to coach??
No. The depth and number of players changed when he changed programs.
Sit down, relax and admit the problems run deeper that just changing coaches. If RR can turn WVU in to a team that kicks the ass of the georgias and choklahomas, then I am willing to wait several years to return to greatness.
First, I agree that RR should not go - I believe he will turn this around. However, plenty of coaches will want this job given the opportunity. Keep in mind:
- Schiano believed, and I assume still clings to the hope, that he will eventually get the Penn State job, so he was toying with Martin to pump up his own value.
- Miles wanted to be the Michigan coach but timing was everything. He was about to play in the National Championship game with LSU and was put in a position where he would have appeared to be walking on that team when it most needed him. The media, and probably Michigan, were demanding an immediate decision and he felt, to his credit, that he had to stay at LSU.
- Ferentz - hard to say. I thought he would have been a good choice - he is a successful coach who would have been moving to a team with a broader recruiting base but he is a fixture at Iowa - may not have been wise to make that move within the B10.
RR, having lost to Pitt and bumped from the national Championship (ironically putting Miles in) and at odds with some powers at WVU, emerged as the best choice. It happened fast, probably without a full appreciation of the "separation" issues that would follow, but it happened.
I still think RR is the best of the bunch for Michigan in the long run and I think he will succeed.
never got offered to coach Michigan
"This may extend to Rodriguez's other hires as well: Jay Hopson has recruited very few players as Michigan withdrew entirely from Mississippi after last year's debacle; Hopson also secured the commitments of both defensive tackles who went elsewhere on signing day. His linebacking corps has regressed horribly."
And why do we need to keep around a coach who cannot recruit or make his assigned players better? My kid's pop warner coach can do both of those just as poorly.
the D is the obvious problem. and smarter people than me have driven that home with analysis. but i took a look at UM's roster.
we have one SR starting in the back 7 (stevie brown). but there is no other SR on the two-deep. taking it a step further, there is no other SR on the ENTIRE ROSTER for the back 7. none, zero, zippo; not even a walkon (unless my eyes deceived me). find me another roster in the entire country without a senior DB on its entire roster. i don't think i've ever heard of that outside of a JUCO team. and that's RR and GERG's fault?
if we had a SR jt turner, emilien, or even jt floyd or upperclass walkon, our defensive backfield would be much better. we then could mask the deficiencies at LB better.
Instead of arguing with friends, coworkers, even family, now I can just point them to your post and be done with it.
why leave the game with 5 minutes left? YOU fans that left are pathetic. Its amazing to me the number of people that sit on their hands all game long and don't cheer. With that said people need to relax. I feel that this is the season that as Michigan fans we expected last year and are one year behind schedule as many people have suggested. This so not college basketball where underclassmen can lead a team to a championship. You cannot expect this many freshman and sophomores to carry your football team and expect to have great success. G-ROB has only been on campus for 10 months and needs time to develop players. It doesn't happen overnight. If what I have been reading is true about LB coach Jay Hopson, he needs to go. Your LB coach has to have the ability to bring in top notch talent for your defense.
I'm also sick of the Sparty's that post all over the message boards on various sites. Hey Sparty, you played Michigan, Iowa, and Penn State at home and didn't have to play Ohio State. Add this years expectations and now tell me what team has underachieved?
Hey fur coat crowd why leave the game with 5 minutes left?
My coat had to pee. I'm the extraordinarily humane sort. Honest Michigamuans.
...you'll feel better at the game...and warmer....the coyote is just a throw-in
A few people have wondered about the coaching and who would be possible for the position if RR has to go. I still think that RR deserves at least two more years before he gets the boot, but Brian Kelly (Cinci) would be a good choice. He's obviously doing great with his team, and the move to Michigan would be a big step up for him, compared to some others like Les Miles (who are already at an established powerhouse).
Hopefully, we don't have to worry about this, we get a couple great recruiting classes, and we go to a good bowl next year. Here's hoping.
"Michigan has to go 8-5 next year or Rodriguez should be cut loose. 7-6 might be okay if the bowl matchup is obviously bad"
If we don't win 8 next year and fire him, we're in a worse spot than we are now. We will stay the course absent a major problem from practicegate. MSM will not allow RR to be let go before 4 years. And whoever our AD is, will be only 1 year in and won't have the clout with MSM to make that decision (and may not in two).
So, RR will be here through 2011 regardless of record unless sanctions happen. In which case he should and will be fired slmost immediately. I don't think there's anyone suggesting that's going to happen.
Hey, I love Minor. Who wouldn't? But, he hasn't been available at 100% all year, not even close. And Carlos, well, when he finally was healthy and had an offense that could spring him loose, he got yards, but I don't think he is that hard to replace. As has been well documented here, he is less than great after contact.
If we have a better offensive line (very likely), a QB making better reads (very likely), and talented RBs (very likely), we will get better production out of the RB position.
Personally, I'd take the over.
I think Vincent Smith has great potential, and is going to add a lot to the position (especially next year with Minor/Brown gone). I agree with the over.
What have you done for me lately. This is what college football is all about. Look at Terrelle Pryor - now everyone thinks he's figured out all his issues and is playing great. Wasn't it just two weeks ago that Lebron James was consulting with him on how to handle himself cuz he sucked in every way possible? College football is all about what has happened in the past week or two.
I agree with Brian's points. RR will get his time to prove himself.
If you have read the Decimated Defense posts on here - you can understand that the situation RR faces is a unique one. Give the man a freakin' chance to get his guys in here - he knows how to coach.
It's hard to talk someone off the ledge who isn't really sure why he's there to begin with. Harder still to have a rational discussion with those types. Michigan fans thought their football program was different, the last 3 years have shown it's not. Sad to see that some fans are proving to be no more rational than Buckeyes or Spartans.
is that a steaming doo-doo?
I wonder if there's more going on behind the scenes than we know. Rodriguez, of late, just looks mentally exhausted. This could be because practices are not translating to game day. It could be that the rumors of an anti-RR faction of the AD are true. It could be that he thinks his staff is doing a good job when they're really not. He just seems at wits end about why things are going they way they are.
I really hope that RR takes some time after the season to evaluate his staff and make changes if necessary. I'd hate to see a repeat of the Lloyd era cronyism. Does anyone know how much input Casteel had over his position coaches during RR's tenure at WVU? By his admission, RR has said he's pretty hands off with the defense, and maybe this philosophy is coming back to haunt him at Michigan.
Probably bc football is his entire life and he is sick of losing. For all the criticisms of RR, you absolutely cannot say that he doesn't care. Remember, as much as losing sucks for us it is 1000x times worse for the staff/players.
The only way I can realistically see him getting fired next year is if a new AD comes in with a totally new, hyper-aggressive attitude. Let's hope that doesn't happen for a lot of reasons.
Let's relax. Nothing is going to happen to RR until merchandise sales fall, tickets sales decrease, and luxury boxes sit empty.
Dude, nice account picture!
I agree that we the fans need to have some faith in Coach Rodriguez. This season has been incredibly aggravating. But don't blame Rodriguez, blame the 4-0 start! It tricked us, and raised our hopes so high only to make the losses feel worse. And the sad part is that it was only our love of Michigan Football that made us so gullible. If the team had alternated wins and losses up to this point, then nobody would be talking about firing Rodriguez, except those who were before the team started losing.
2008 was the year that Michigan Football became BAD. So bad, that it was clear it would take a at FEW years to fix. The team is definitely better in 2009. And as long as it doesn't regress in the coming seasons, I'll continue to be all in for Coach Rodriguez.
In HIS second year at OSU Jim Tressel won a national championship.
In HIS second year at USC Pete Carroll went 11-2 and ended the season ranked #4.
In HIS second year at Alaban Nick Saban went 12-2 and a number 6 ranking.
In HIS second year at Cincinatti Brian Kelly went 10-3 and was ranked 17th and 20th.
Great coaches find a way to win with the talent they have.
I don't get concerned about the win totals in those second years. I am more concerned that this is RR's 2nd HC position. All of those coaches had a long resume of being THE MAN before compiling those records. RR was a HC at WVU and a community college. There is a big step between being a coordinator and a HC.
Having said that, I'm behind RR 100% but I will be more at ease when he gets some better position coaches. You can not call Hopson anything but a disaster.
I was reading some emails I exchanged with a friend and I was predicting top 25 in 3 years, contend for B10 championship in 5 years. Those were when he was hired, so we're really about where I was hoping. 3 years gets him a roster of his players and 5 years gets a senior class of his players plus some depth.
Tressel, Carroll, Saban and Kelly didn't have to change from a pro-style offense to a spread. They didn't have to get new players in that fit the scheme. They had the players already. It's the burden of a new scheme, but it's what we signed up for.
I didn't like the RR hiring for lots of reasons, none of them particularly relevant now that the decision has been made. I really hoped I was wrong, because I would rather Michigan succeed than I be right.
Congrats to Brian for finally accepting that RR is not the second coming.
Still, I want Michigan to succeed. Even if the cost is that the hillbilly who blames the players first does too.
Those who love Michigan and will work hard will be champions.
I guess a lot of scorers are hillbillies offended by reading someone write Coach Rodriguez is one of them.
Though I'm not completely happy with all that has gone on, this is an excellent post and the reason why mgoblog is one of the best blogs out there period. We're in uncharted territory as M fans and people are fading in and out of suicidal watch as a result. I agree that making a coaching change at this point would be disastrous, especially if the new coach is a pro style coach.
I'm saying daily prayers that we'll win out but will continue to support the team either way.
Brian skirted the issue of the assistants. Shafer was bequeathed the same guys Robinson was, both with similar results. Obviously there are talent issues here too. But don't you think RR ought to let his DC's actually put their own guys and then either succeed or fail becuase of their own actions? The current "take these coaches" arrangement is not working.
Shafer had the following veteran players:
Morgan Trent (CB)
Terrence Taylor (NT)
Brandon Harrison (DB)
Will Johnson (DT)
Tim Jamison (DT)
John Thompson (LB)
Remember the veteran defense was expected to carry the team while the offense transitioned into the new system. They failed. Shafer was fired. Hopson probably should have gone too, but he was tied to a few key DL recruits who ended up signing elsewhere.
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Best post I have ever read on this blog, get off the ledge and get ready for the ride it has been bumpy but sometimes the ends justify the means.
I completely agree with your assessment, and do like the fact that the level of intelligence and analysis on this blog is much better than on some blogs I've read from schools to the south that haven't faced near the adversity. Makes me still feel good that I'm a Michigan fan, and with a few exceptions, we can rise above the rabble that are many fan bases around the country.
Last year the Rich Rod supporters were going on about "progress". OK, where's the progress? Not in your hearts, but in the numbers? The way it is shaping up, the only progress is the fluke win against the only major team with a worse coach than RR and this year, unlike last, RR managed to beat all his non-conference cream puffs.
Wake up. RR is on track to a worse ... WORSE ... Big Ten record in 09 than he had in 08. That's not progress, that's getting worse.
Rodriguez could be a terrific offensive coordinator. He is not a head coach.
OK, where's the progress? Not in your hearts, but in the numbers?
You cannot be serious.
5, 6, or 7 wins >> 3 wins. There is your progress. In numbers.
I was 100% in the give-RR-time camp this season. I was still there after the PSU blowout. I was kinda there after the Illinois game. After the Purdue loss, I just can't take it anymore.
This is regression, not progress. From 4-0 to 1-5...that's regression. The opponent's talent level on the whole...probably equal.
You are unbelievable.
So you are claiming that because:
(1) Tate threw an INT in the end zone in overtime against Sparty;
(2) Denard missed a wide open Odoms at Iowa, which would have possibly given Michigan a chance at a game winning FG;
(3) Michigan's PLAYERS could not get 12 inches in four downs against Illinois; and
(4) Michigan missed a FG and extra point against Purdue
that is all Rich Rod's fault, and the team is regressing?
Go away. Honestly. The team is close. As in, 4 plays from likely being 9-1. If you can't understand that MICHIGAN DOES NOT WIN EVERY GAME BECAUSE YOU SUPPORT MICHIGAN and SOMETIMES THE BOUNCES DON'T GO YOUR WAY BECAUSE YOU'RE THE YOUNGEST TEAM IN DIVISION I-A, and you don't have the patience to let this exciting team mature:
Go away. Stop bitching. Just go away.
Point 1: We are closer to having been 3-7 than 9-1. Both Notre Dame and Indiana were games we were outgained in which eeked out in the final minute.
Point 2: Assuming that Tate not throwing that INT or Denard making the right throw would have resulted in us winning those games requires a massive leap. For Iowa, this assumes Odoms would have made the catch, gotten good yardage, we would have moved the ball some more, and the kick would have been good. For State, it assumes we would have eventually scored a touchdown and then would have won in the second OT. No, you can't pretend State's winning TD didn't happen- actually that brings me to...
Point 3: You cannot pretend that all of the football played after the goal line stand didn't happen. It's completely unreasonable to say that one series of plays determined the outcome of the game when it happened when we were up 7 in the third freakin' quarter. Illinois was way, way better than us that day, accept it. Furthermore, Rodriguez shares some blame for that stand. As has been covered before, there's a reason Carlos Brown isn't a short yardage back and he proved it on first and third down.
Point 4: Teams Michigan has beaten on a yards per down basis this year outside of Baby Seal U: Western Michigan and Eastern Michigan. That's it. I assure you, it gives me no pleasure to point that out. Conclusion: If we want to have a chance to actually go 9-1 rather than talk retroactively about how it might have been in the realm of possibility, that needs to change like WOAH.
I think the record is clear that he is both an experienced and successful head coach who happens to be an acknowledged near-genius to genius with regard to offensive creativity.
In addition, as pointed out on this blog and elsewhere, Rodriquez' defenses have generally performed at reasonably high levels, especially at West Virginia. Maybe a poll of Oklahoma's offensive personnel and coaches might turn up a different view of what kind of head coach he is.
Well, perhaps you just posted to see if anyone would rise to your bait. Mea culpa.
Math is useful, perhaps you should brush up.
Here's some math for you, hater (yes...I do remember you and your "douchebag" comments):
First four games = 100% win
Last five games = 20% win
That's an 80% drop in the same season including such tough recent opponents as Illinois, Purdue, Delaware St. That is not progress.
The poster wrote about progress vs. last year, not earlier in the season. You're changing what he said now refute points that responded to a completely different argument than what you're making.