I disagree. I would much rather Michigan treat football as a business, and get down to the business of kicking other teams' asses. Part of the problem was the country club atmosphere Carr fomented in Ann Arbor. Boren and Wermers were prime beneficiaries. No more.
Wermers leaves, has nasty comment about RR
Totally agree with this. You can include Dan O'Neill in there as well.
Wermers never played under Lloyd. He was part of the '08 recruiting class.
He never played for Lloyd but he still was able to compare RR's atmosphere to Lloyd's through his recruiting experience with Lloyd. Lloyd originally recruited Wermers and RR was able to keep him after RR was hired. Chances are RR and Wermers barely interacted prior to Wermers arriving on campus. The bottom line is Wermers experienced RR's UM team and changed his mind. It's not a knock on anyone, just not a good fit.
I agree completely, however I wonder what he meant by saying RR is recruiting different people. Is that different types of players or actually different types of people?
you may have noticed our offense has switched from pro style to spread...
Quote: "I really didn't get along with the new coaches," Wermers said. "They were bringing in a lot of different kids that were not my kind of crowd. Coach Carr's staff was a whole different ballgame. It was like a family. But when Rodriguez came in it was a whole different feeling. It was more of a business."
There are indeed some nasty implications in there: 1) he contrasted this program with Carr's "family," reminiscent of Boren; and 2) his statement "not my kind of crowd" has very negative connotations. The "not my kind of crowd" is a cliche typically meant to denigrate whatever crowd it is aimed at.
We can safely assume that the family thing is meaningless - many recruits have touted the family atmosphere at Michigan. RR can run the program like a business and still promote a family atmosphere. As for the second statement, well, not sure what to make of it. IF there is a culture change among the players in the program, so be it. Some recruits will like it, some will not. Just like the culture that preceded it - the one that Wermers liked - I am sure some took to it and others did not. I am not sure what type of culture Wermers is referring to, but if RR can run it like a business and keep it like a family, then that is a great culture to have.
I guess I missed the part where Wermers said anything inflammatory about Rich Rod. He didn't feel comfortable with the new staff and said it felt more like a business than a family. It doesn't sound all that harsh, to be honest.
Mountain out of a mole-hill
This is the second time I have heard the lack of family values or family feeling excuse for leaving, the other most notably was Boren. Overall attrition can be expected and both Boren and Wermers were Carr recruits, this does not surprise me much. Oh well, lets move on. Its not like he was going to start anyway...
Running it like a business is a good thing, that's what winning teams are about. The "family atmosphere" thing sounds like sour grapes to me.
Yeah, he most likely would not have been a contributor unless injuries really caught up. Was he red-shirted? How would he have known how it was playing for Carr if, "...he noted he will have positive memories of his one year up north."?
He wouldnt know what its like to play for Carr. But Carr recruited him and RRod hung onto him when he took over. Through the recruiting process Wermers probably got to know Carr and his staff fairly well.
Of course, when you're being recruited, you often see a different side of a coach than you do when you're actually playing for him.
While that maybe true any coach would be wise to present the same personality and character on the recruiting trail that he does on the field. They dont want to sell recruits on one character and then present a different, that would build a bad rep for the program and coach.
You can't be the exact same person. In recruiting, you're buttering the kid up as much as you can. In coaching - especially for a tough, physical sport like football - you have to challenge the kids and push them to succeed. Anyway, the idea that Carr held the kids' hands is a stretch. Talk to someone who played under him and he'll tell you that Carr was usually the bad cop. It was the position coaches who played the role of good cop.
Although I don't think what he said was terribly nasty, I still don't agree with the negative comments to the newspaper. Say you weren't feeling it and you found a better fit, but I'm sure if Wermers were starting he wouldn't mind the business atmosphere.
Not everyone makes it here, and that's fine. Go to your next school, thank the coaches for giving you a shot and be done with it. The other comments aren't necessary, IMO.
+1, very well put.
but, I also think that sometimes people let something slip and it seems worse in print than it was meant to be. Even politicians, who talk to the press all the time, sometimes let something out that rubs people the wrong way; lets not forget he's just a kid.
Another thing is that a lot of times reporters want to get people to say something more inflammatory than you meant, and liberally paraphrase and call it a quote.
Question: "Who ran Michigan football more like a business and who ran it more like a family, between LC and RR?"
Answer: "I guess LC was more family and RR is more business."
Newspaper: Wermers said "With Lloyd Carr there was a family atmosphere, but with Rich Rodriguez it felt like more of a business."
Not saying that definitely happened, but it's not out of the question.
Cue the MSM picking this up and bashing Michigan and Rich Rod in 3...2...1...
Dunno why these kids have to take parting shots at their former schools; let bygones be bygones and be done with it. Wermers was a middling recruit that Rod held onto when he took over Carr's recruiting class; after one year it was pretty clear he would be buried on the depth chart for the entire time he would be at Michigan. Good luck to you Mr. Wermers, but thanks for freeing up a scholarship.
exactly. everyone outside the program (MSM, etc.) will have a negative take on his comments. his intent was to put down the coaches.
comments to me. He was just explaining why he left.
But it is funny to note that most of the incoming recruits actually cite the "family atmosphere" at Michigan as a reason for coming here.
Good luck at Ball State.
The RR comment didn't seem nasty. Not getting along happens; you can't please everyone. A lot of other people have praised the program for its family atmosphere so this doesn't really bother me.
However, I wonder what he meant by this:
"They were bringing in a lot of different kids that were not my kind of crowd."
To me, that's the "zing!" quote - clearly, he didn't like the other guys being recruited...
but is part of that just a failure to realize what team composition is going to be like at an elite college football program? I mean, yeah - its different from your HS buddies... surprise!
I don't think that sounded so "nasty" he sounds more like ONeill than Boren that he didn't fit in and just wasn't happy staying with UM.
And he's right he should leave if he isn't happy it does nothing for himself to be going to UM with the atmosphere that he described around him, and it doesn't do the team any good to have a player on the roster who isn't motivated to be there.
Hopefully he finds what he wants at Ball State
Generally, I take "more like a business" to mean, "I probably wasn't going to get playing time just for having worked hard for a year, and it was more of a performance and talent oriented thing on the team."
Which is understandable. The best will play under RR, I think. IF you're not the best, we're glad you worked hard, but, tough luck. Some guys think a year of dedication should mean snaps.
Generally, the best players will play under any coach. This isn't a concept that is exclusive to Rich Rod and his coaching staff. Generally speaking, Carr put who he thought were the best players at the time out on the field, too.
Nope, I'm pretty sure the best players strategy was developed by Rod at Tulane. It's now been disseminated along with many aspects of his spread offense. For instance, Pete Carroll and Urban Meyer, who also adopted aspects of Rod's "run your program like a business" approach, use the best players strategy almost exclusively. You can tell because their teams are usually really, really good.
Lloyd was known to use a rubric that included talent, but as a subordinate variable to poetry recitation, consistently double-knotted shoelaces, and appropriate levels of eye contact in interviews.
I was making a reference to what I believe may have been Wermers' percieved impression.
"Lloyd recruited me, so I would play under him. Rodriguez has recruited others and made it obvious they will play first." I.E. - No amount of hard work under Rodriguez will get me on the field. He MAY have felt that under Carr, since he was recruited by him, that if he worked hard enough, he'd get a chance on the field sooner or later regardless.
Your first comment states that "the best will play under RR" as though this is a departure. I suppose it's possible that Wermers thought he would automatically get playing time under Lloyd because Lloyd recruited him, but if so, that was a pretty silly assumption to make. He MAY have thought that Lloyd just had sexy legs and that he and Coach would enjoy summers in a romantic seaside cottage, but I'm not sure why we'd bother speculating about that.
A coach tells a recruit, "We like you. We want you to come play for us." Unless you REALLY have a low opinion of yourself, that probably sounds a lot like, "We like you. We want you to come play in games for us." Even guys who say they want to compete never really expect (at least not as freshmen), that they won't see the field.
i think the real issue is that players who establish themselves as starters may in some programs become entrenched, and not have as much fear of losing their starting spots as in other programs. if RR maintains a more competitive atmosphere, the same players may still play, but they will be better because of the threat of losing their starting role.
This is absolutely true, but he may have ASSUMED under Carr he'd get playing time.
Certainly. But the atmosphere that brings out the best guys may be completely different.
RR frequently alludes to competitiveness and probably creates a more competitive environment than Carr did. If this is the case, the players that aren't used to RR's philosophy and lack the competitive "edge" may feel that it is more about business than family.
Please divulge on what basis you are making the assumption that competitiveness was lacking in the Lloyd football environment.
The only time I can think of where Lloyd kept someone on the field when they were struggling and another option was available was Henne in his junior year when Gutierrez was on the bench. And it turned out that Lloyd knew what the fuck he was doing by sticking with Henne, and that I got frustrated with his apparent 'loyalty' to Henne because I didn't know shit. If you can think of other examples, hit me with 'em.
EDIT: If you're trying to say that practices and training may be more intense now than under Lloyd - fine. There's some anecdotal evidence out there to support that. But if you think that Lloyd hesitated to put his best players out there because he wanted every little Kurt and Justin to have his turn to play in front of mom and dad, you are completely deluded.
"More competitive" was probably not the right choice of words but the way RR brings out competitiveness is likely different. "Different" was probably a better choice.
I am not insinuating that Lloyd did not put his best players.
Flaming over. I just get crabby when Lloyd gets caricatured as a lovable grandpa who didn't really care that much whether Michigan won or lost (not that you were necessarily trying to convey that).
Carr played Pat Massey, Eric Brackins and the soph version of John Navaree despite obvious and brutal struggles. Sure, Navaree worked out by the time he was a senior, but Jesus Christ did he suck as a soph. Massey was a disaster at DT all through 2004 and Brackins was helpless against the Purdue and NW spreads in 2000.
any of those players.
It's interesting to compare this to what Austin White's dad had to say on Sam Webb's show this morning. He said he was impressed with the intensity of Michigan's coaches during practice and that he was impressed that the coaching staff recruited "the whole family," i.e., spoke a lot to Mr. and Ms. White and not just Austin...These things are not necessarily inconsistent with what Wermers said, but it does make you wonder if the issue of family under Rodriguez isn't in the eye of the beholder.
I'd like to think that the coaching staff is looking out for kids and not bringing in "the wrong crowd" but I also agree w/ jg2112 that things during the late years under Coach Carr seemed to be getting a little too easy for the players...I'd also be interested to know exactly what "the wrong crowd" is. Are they guys who don't care about academics and beat people up on the weekends, or are we talking about poor black kids from Florida who have dreads and listen to rap?
He sounds like a tool. It's the latter.
"Are they guys who don't care about academics and beat people up on the weekends, or are we talking about poor black kids from Florida who have dreads and listen to rap?"
Also, note the linemates Wermers is joining at Ball State...
Who did Wermers get offers from, aside from U-M (and presumably Ball State)? I recall Brian suggesting one of the linemen was offered solely from camp performance, and that the rating services and other offers (from MAC-level or lower B10 schools) suggested a collegiate career riding the pine. Was it Wermers?
Agree with another post regarding one year into the career, of Barwis bootcamp, lost in the depthchart, etc., and the expectation to play being exploded.
Wermers was a four star on Scout who had offers from Iowa, UCLA, Purdue, Indiana, Michigan and Northern Illinois.
So why go to Ball State?
My guess would be that it's a pretty good MAC program that's close to home for him.
In the article it says that there are a bunch of players from his HS playing there, I'm assuming that's why he chose Ball State.
Ball State's coach is former Carr coordinator Stan Parrish. If he's looking for a more Lloyd-like experience, Ball State becomes an obvious choice.
(Now whether Parrish runs his program the way Carr ran his is another question, but Wermers may see it as a possibility.)
So your basically saying he had offers from a bunch of meh programs and Iowa.
As for his comments, they are more of a commentary on his maturity then the manner in which RR runs the show. He is 20 years old and was probably used to being a stud. Division I college football is a rude awakening to those who is has always come to "easy."
Quick though on the below quote…
"But if I'm not happy every day that I wake up, why keep doing it?"
My guess is that 99% of the football team is not going to be happy everyday when they are getting the crap kicked out of them by Barwis. You put in the hard work to achieve a greater goal and win football games.
Those are not the words of a winner. Successful athletes know that every day isn't going to be "happy time." What separates the winners is that they push through to reach a goal - happiness comes from reaching that goal.
Don't confuse who he is as a person with what he does as a football player.
True. That was just my initial reaction and it could apply to any aspect of life. Of course, it's also important to enjoy the journey. If he had little opportunity to play (as people say - I don't know) then maybe this is best for him.
I feel like I'm at a seminar now. Are you going to have to go to Scottsdale to keep your book deal from falling through?
I only have 7 of the 9 steps worked out so far.
i wanna see the look on this dudes face in 2 years when we win the national championship
Sorry to burst you bubble but we won't win the NC in 2 years.
NO SUGARCOAT WITH YOU NOW IS THERE?!?!?!?!??!?!
would be 2011. if things in the program progress the way they have been they'll have a very good shot
Thank you Obes, I was thinking the same. We'll have a solid squad by then with all the young guys we have. Tate will be a Junior and three year starter with a very strong O line, as well as RB and WR corps. The defense will have both talent and experience to be dominant, likely. I'm not going to guarantee anything, but I'm not going to bet against it either.
I agree that our offense should be very good a couple of years from now. Our defense? That is yet to be determined. I'm not nearly as optimistic as you are on that front, Wolv.
But before we definitively say that the team will "have a very good shot" at a national championship in two years, we need to see marked improvement from last year's debacle. A 7-5 season puts the team on a good trajectory, whereas finishing 5-7 would indicate that more time might be needed.
You may be right, I am not denying that; I am just surprised at your confidence level.
The record will mean less than how the games are played, as trite as that sounds. The difference between 7-5 and 5-7 can be something as small as 2 missed FGs.
Haven't we known that Wermers was leaving for a while?
He's gone......he wasn't going to play and I'm sure the coaches have moved on.
Bo had a bunch of players leave when he cranked up the intensity of the program. Bo didn't always use the nicest language either. I have a problem with players that criticize the progeram when leaving...it says something about their character also. One scholarship freed up.
I don't think leaving a far from ideal situation for him makes him a quitter.
However, trashing the program and his old teammates on his way out the door makes him a mild expletive.
So anybody here can have a good guestimate on the number of scholarships available for this year's class?
I've seen guesstimates that think the number can be anywhere from 19 and possibly up to 25 after the season is completed.
If you're annoyed by the Young Jeezy and Lil Wayne playing in the weight room, Kurt, just turn up the The Fray on your iPod real loud.
Jeez, what a weird statement to make. Not your kinda crowd? The fuck? What kinda statement is that? I never hear recruits play that angle - bitching about their own new teammates. When you consider the makeup of the recruits since RichRod arrived, it's pretty easy to read through what Wermers is saying. I just wonder why it bothered him that much.
I found that quote from Wermers to be a bit disconcerting as well.
The Fray sucks.
This article is bad for us because, like most bad PR, it creates public perception. And we can bitch all we want about reality vs. perception but the fact is, as has been said before, perception creates it's own reality. This will be fuel for the haters and the media, which influences parents, which influences kids, which influences recruiting. This is not the first comment we've heard about "business" for the RR administration, and while I have nothing against that, for some that is code for "treats players like athletes only and doesn't care for them as people."
The only cure is a winning season, which will push these types of articles towards irrelevance. Let's hope that happens soon.
If Wermers wasn't comfortable here, he probably wasn't going to help much. Good thing is, it came from somewhere we can afford a bit of attrition. The 08 OL class had six guys. We're down to four. That's still a good recruiting class. Mealer, Omameh, Khoury, Barnum..let those four go to work!
That's pretty damn inflammatory. Basically he said that "RR's bringing in really bad people" without being remotely specific. So, is RR bringing in child molesters, drug dealers, white slave traders, gun runners, heroin addicts, gang-bangers, Mafia hit men, bad check passers, and Al Queda operatives, or offensive linemen who were just much better than he was?
It's interesting we get the whole family values crap again at the same time that a high school principal and his wife praise RR and his staff to the hilt for the way they went about recruiting their son. There have been numerous comments by other recruits and/or their parents about the family-friendly atmosphere under RR and his staff. Eliot Mealer is one of them, just as a fr'-instance.
I've done this before, and recently too, but I'm going to quote Bo again:
"I came in and instituted an extremely rigorous summer training program–there had been none–and everyone told me it wouldn’t work, that people wouldn’t go for that in Ann Arbor. The team had a reputation for having good talent, but being soft. I did have some attrition, but the real football players stayed. I was harder on that first Michigan team–which included Dan Dierdorf–than I ever was on any other group, partly because I was so driven by my own ambition. I killed them. I ran them into the ground."
"I was prepared for some attrition when I became Michigan's coach. I can honestly say we did not lose a guy who really could have helped us. I didn't lose any sleep over anyone who quit that spring of 1969."
If Bo's first season was in 2009 instead of 1969, the internet tubes would be full of people howling for his scalp for "driving off" all those quality young men that Bump recruited. Rob Parker would be moaning about the loss of family values. Some idiot sportswriter down in Ohio would be speculating about Bo being fired and becoming the coach at Akron.
I ain't saying that RR is Bo reincarnate. They're very different people and coaches, and Rodriguez obviously still has a lot to prove here, but this family values stuff is comical.
Great post. That got me fired up.
I stated this earlier, but I wish I knew exactly what he was referring to by the "wrong crowd."
Wermers left months ago -1 for header. As for his comments, who gives a fuck?? Leaving for Ball St and Western tell you all you need to know about these guys. Buried on the depth chart, don't want to get tortured for 4 more years and not play, asta la vista baby. I can play in the MAC hopefully. I'm leaving don't want to sound like a quitter or admit that I blow so I lash out with some BS. It's so SOP by now I find it comical anyone pays attention.
hmmmm "it was more of a business"
well, like it or not college football is a business, and I can't say that it bothers me to hear that. besides, we've heard plenty of recruits go on and on about how much they like the coaching staff.
I just think the difference between the way Carr did things and the way Rodriguez does things is so huge that some of the guys recruited by Carr (like Wermers and Boren) just aren't happy with the culture shock. I don't blame them for leaving if they aren't happy.
good luck to him
Word. And I also think part of what hurt Carr toward the end of his career was that he DIDN'T approach football like it was a business.
I found it funny that he said
"They were bringing in a lot of different kids that were not my kind of crowd."
But at the end of the article he said
"It was fun, a great school and I loved my teammates,"
So the kids were not his kind of crowd but he loved them anyways?
Glad you said it, I didn't want to page back to copy the second sentence.
I'm trying to figure out how he knew that Carr's team was like a family when he never played for Carr. And to say, "But if I'm not happy every day that I wake up, why keep doing it?", shows that he does not have the character to play for this team.
Dear Mr. Wermers, there are bigger problems in this world than anything you are going through (football related). Thousands of kids would trade anything for the opportunity you had.
I don't get some of the comments these players give when they leave. You see it in every program across the country when a kid decides to transfer. It seems like each kid tries to blame their former school in making them leave, but is that always the reality?
Good luck to you Wermers, but maybe you just were not good enough?
1. "But if I'm not happy every day that I wake up, why keep doing it?"
As Blue42 noted, even the best/most dominant/happiest/Tebow football players do not wake up happy every day. You tear your rotator cuff. You sprain a finger on your throwing hand. You don't see your friends or your girlfriend for two weeks. Four straight road games. You don't go to school because school is fun; you go because it leads to better things and because you feel a sense of accomplishment when you've finished it and new opportunities arise because of your dedication.
2. "They were bringing in a lot of different kids that were not my kind of crowd."
This could mean one of two things. Either Wermers saw the leaner, spread-ready players entering the program and he decided it wasn't the right fit for him, or he is making a really shitty remark about the collective character of his teammates. The last thing I want to do, though, is put words in Wermers' mouth, so we have to assume nothing more than "he did not fit in (in whatever capacity he meant) with the incoming football players."
Whatever the case, good luck to him in his future endeavors, football and otherwise. I don't revile anyone who earned a scholarship to play football at Michigan; I certainly won't start with Wermers.
Have you considered starting with Boren?
You don't go to school because school is fun; you go because it leads to better things and because you feel a sense of accomplishment when you've finished it and new opportunities arise because of your dedication.
you've never met anyone from MSU have you?
I realize that playing football in college is not the same thing as working at a real job, but there are plenty of similarities nonetheless. I learned the hard way a long time ago that bashing a former employer openly in an public interview is virtually never to your own benefit. It's always much better to keep your yap shut if you can't say the expected polite things about where you worked.
Wermers hatred of black people is sad. Hopefully he can find help for his blatant racism.
You're inferring a lot from his vague comment. I wouldnt be so quick to call him a racist. For all we know he could have meant that the type of players being brought in (Slim, quick lineman) made him not fit in. I just think its not fair to call him a racist when we do not know what he truly meant. One thing we can say, is he used poor wording and was to vague.
Ha. I do not know Brodie nor have I ever conversed with him.
However, I've been on here enough to know that this is a typical Brodie response to what he perceives as stupid or ridiculous. There are a lot of posts insinuating racism and this is likely his way of saying exactly what you just said. His style is bold, sarcastic, and often taken the wrong way.
You can easily tell his sarcastic responses from his real thoughts. Compare this post to his recent diary.
Yeah, you pretty much nailed it. Your windbreaker is in the mail.
Sorry to misinterpret his response. I am new to this site and haven't read many (if any) of his posts. I will learn from my mistake and in the future take the comment(s) as being sarcastic in nature. Thank you for the tip!
It's in his personality whether he promulgated it or not. He appears familial, sage-like. I'm not sure a program he ran could not have appeared 'family-like'. Coach Rod's 'aura' is one that has been described as 'aw-shucks' and 'open'. A straight-forward personality that doesn't have a familial feel to it. Coach Rod was hired to do the job and he's getting things together the way he knows how to do things. I think that's what Weimers senses when he says the program is less 'family-like' and more of a 'business'. Also the fact Coach Carr was an assistant at Michigan for like 17 years before he became a head coach lends to Coach having that family feel; he's about as Michigan as a guy gets. Coach Rod has just arrived; I'm sure in time he will feel like family and perhaps he too will become 'Paternal'.
His parting comments do appear pretty nasty. "I figure I'd get out while I could" is something that you say when you have a very low opinion of the place that you are leaving. Let's not kid ourselves. Losing offensive linemen hurts. Each guy that leaves makes the margin of error for the remaining guys that much smaller. The guy was just a true freshman last year, so any speculation that he never was going to see the field is just that -- speculation. He got offers from UCLA, Notre Shame, and Purdue, so the guy wasn't a complete scrub. The program will always be bigger than one guy and it's not the end of the world, but let's not pretend that losing all of these players has made the program better. Bo may have lost a lot of guys in his first year, but he was taking over a losing program and went 8-3 in his first year. RichRod took over a winning program and went 3-9 in his first year. I want to see Rodriguez win the Big 10 before I declare that everyone who leaves the program is a loser who is going to regret it later.
I agree that losing OLs from this team is not ideal, and I agree that RR has a long ways to go before he can be favorably compared with Bo or Lloyd in terms of his Michigan career. Ixnay on the historical revisionism, though. Yes, overall Bump Elliott was a mediocre coach, but for the record, his 1968 team finished 8-2 and ended the year ranked #12 by the AP. His 1964 team went 9-1, shut out Ohio State on the road, beat the snot out of their Pac-10 opponent in the Rose Bowl, and ended the year ranked #4. His 1966 team was 6-4, and beat Cal, Oregon State, and beat Ohio State on the road.
Schembechler took pains to point out many times that the team he inherited from Elliott had plenty of talent on it, including such returning starters as Dan Dierdorf, Jim Mandich, Tom Curtis, and Henry Hill, all of whom won All-American honors. In addition, Bo also inherited Elliott's last recruiting class of 1968, which included future All-Americans Thom Darden, Marty Huff, Reggie McKenzie, Paul Seymour, Mike Taylor, and Billy Taylor. Glenn Doughty was also part of that class, and was a key RB for Bo during his career. Yes, Bo gets all the credit for turning those guys into All-Americans, but by no means was the cupboard bare when he got to Ann Arbor. He wasn't turning hamburger into filet mignon.
It's not doing an injustice to Bo to also point out that the Big 10 back in the 70s was a joke; if you think the conference has problems now, you should have seen it back when Bo was establishing his reputation here. They didn't call it the "Big 2 and the Little 8" for nothing. The scholarship restrictions that were put into place in the late 70s or early 80s evened things out a great deal, and it's been a far, far more competitive conference overall since then.
Man, between Dave Poe and Wermers there's so many sour grapes going around lately we could start a whinery.
I am surprised by this news. I was under the impression (from GBMW) that Wermers was a workhorse and that he was impressing the staff with his commitment. I was led to believe that he would have a chance to start this year.
OT: Did Ann Arbor get 3G coverage (T-Mobile) today? My phone shows 3G, but maybe it's wrong..I haven't tested the internet speeds yet. Can anyone confirm?
No way! GBMW steered you wrong? But I thought we were supposed to go there for all the good Michigan insider information? You mean when they were talking completely out of their ass about the psyche of an individual player they fucking whiffed and got it ass backwards wrong?
I AM SHOCKED, no sugarcoat, epinion, et al
But they said his intangibles measured off the charts! I didn't think there was any way he would leave!
The departure of O'Neil (who was diplomatic), Wermers (who put his foot in his mouth) and Boren, Ciurella (sp!) has less to do with "family atmosphere" and more to do with a different focus on lineman attributes. I didn't go back to look at the rankings for Rhocko Khoury the remaining linemen relative to Wermers or O'Neill (I think O'Neill was first lineman in the state if I recall) but I suspect that they fell behind the other guys on the depth chart, and realized that were unlikely to move ahead. If so, and writing on the wall for lack of p.t., with other more mobile linemen on the way in from recruiting, why continue to get beat up? I mean they can go to OSU, or BSU, or WMU and get back on the Boren pizza and milkshake plan, gain a bunch of fat and maybe even get drafted while not having to put up with insane competition and Barwis.
Reading between the lines, it seemed like it was a lot more work, a lot more competative, and more business-like [read: we take this whole winning thing uber-seriously] than he expected. It seems like he just wanted to go somewhere where I can have fun, get some playing time and its all about team cameraderie. And hey, its Michigan offering me.
He gets there and its Rich Rodrigues and now he has to work his tail off in the weight room, no position is guarenteed, there is competition at every spot. The coach is intense, the practices are intense, people yell at you when you make mistakes. I am not getting playing time. This is no fun anymore. And where did all the hyper-motivated guys who are better than me come from? This is way too serious for me. I am outa here.
To me, this all comes down to playing time. It defintely looks like he wasn't going to get much at UM. I am guessing he transferred to Ball State because he knew he wasn't good enough to compete on an elite level, but good enough to play in the MAC.
I don't like the "family values" comment, but there is a good chance that he was led along by a reporter, too. Reporters with only a casual knowlege of the UM program probably don't know a lot about it but do remember the "family values" thing. And reporters almost always want to manipulate any player who transfers into making an inflammatory comment about his old team so that their story looks "better."
I am guessing that everyone who transfers from UM from now on will be asked about "family values" by a reporter looking for a better story.
"I am guessing he transferred to Ball State because he knew he wasn't good enough to compete on an elite level, but good enough to play in the MAC."
We lost to a MAC team last year. Obviously this is very, very unlikely to be an issue going forward, but still, think about it.
His comments were unnecessary, yeah. However, I think it's more the case where he wants football to be a part of his life rather than his life being a part of football. Same with O'Neill. It's also not like OL quitting football is a new thing. It's fucking hard on those guys. Schiafano, Gallimore quit early, Ciulla and Mitchell said no thanks to 5th years.
Transferring to another program is very different than quitting football, though. He obviously wants to keep playing, and I'm not so sure that the daily rigors of football change that much from the Big Ten to the MAC. He'll still have "voluntary" offseason workouts and 20 hours of practice a week. MAC coaches aren't slouches. They're guys looking to move up the coaching ranks.
Even if we lost to a MAC program last season, we aren't a MAC program ourselves; we bring in better players than MAC teams do. It's quite likely that he'll go up against less-talented players at Ball State, so his odds of seeing the field are increased there.
Send his as to Adrian College.
Bo was more than once heard to say of Lloyd's teams what he said of the Wolverines when he started: They are talented but soft. That could be changing.
"I really didn't get along with the new coaches," Wermers said.
-Rod's coaches teach fundamentals that I wasn't used to coming up in pro-style systems. My expectation at UM was to hone and polish the techniques I already had, not reinvent the wheel. Rod's coaches constant attention to my form and technique felt more like harping than what it was: an attempt to transform a pro-style lineman into something that could function in the spread system. In that sense, I didn't mesh well with the new coaches.
"They were bringing in a lot of different kids that were not my kind of crowd."
-The recruiting class after mine consisted of a different breed of OL: pulling, leaner, faster guys. I felt like an odd man out. I get self-conscious around guys who seem to naturally maneuver through techniques that had taken me a year of belabored work to adequately execute.
"Coach Carr's staff was a whole different ballgame. It was like a family."
-Coach Carr's staff and system were pro-style, a completely different ballgame from a spread system. Pro-style football is familiar to me, so in that sense Carr's administration was familiar to me: like family.
"But when Rodriguez came in it was a whole different feeling. It was more of a business."
-When I am forced to venture into unfamiliar territory, it's hard for me to adapt. The transition is uncomfortable, unfamiliar, and because I lack a decent vocabulary, I'll say it was less like a family and more like a business.
The only reason that this is even be construed a being nasty and negative is because of Benedict Boren and the media's comments about how Rich Rod runs his program. Transfers happen a lot and players say things similar to his when they do move on. This is just another story that delusional Spartys, Buckeyes and Neers will take and twist to paint our coach in a bad light
Reality, some of these guys are self-perceived studs that enjoyed incredible success in high school, while kids. In College, these kids are away from home for the first time, struggling to "start all over" in making friends, adjusting to home away from family, learning valuable lessons in independence and responsibility, while competing against the best of the best on the football field. Some kids make good decisions and become responsible young adults, mature and grow personally without incidents. Some make mistakes. Some simply can not compete at this level, or realize they made the wrong decision for them. Many of these kids, left home with great expectations by friends family schoolmates hometown people. It can be very difficult for some to deal with the disappointment and self-perceived failure, or notions of letting someone down.
Hence some kids say some dumb immature seemingly classless things. However, these kids have blogs being critical of them, while they are high school juniors and seniors. They have Facebook stalkers, reportign their every thought.
Cut the kids a break, when they say something out of frustration. I think we all agree, it would be a much classier approach for players and coaches to adopt a marriage like approach, "Praise in Public, Criticize in Private"
Sounds like the kid realized he was not going to get playing time and made some unfortunate comments as he left. My guess is that the reporter may have baited him a bit, and I doubt he truly disliked RR or the direction of the team. I won't discount his sentiment, but at the same time he is a young guy and he probably was a bit emotional when he made these comments.
That said, I think it shows a certain degree of character about the individual that guys like O'Neill and Threet left praising the program and wishing it the best, while guys like Boren and Wermers both left with parting shots directed at the coaching staff for what seemed to be the same reason - lack of PT.
I wish Wermers the best at Ball St., but there is something to be said about keeping your mouth shut on your way out.
depth on the OL no matter how far down the chart it is
Does this mean Michigan gets another scholly to use? If thats the case cant UofM just replace Wermers, who probably wasnt going to see much clock anyways, with Henderson or Wilson?
He is no longer a U-M student-athlete, so his scholarship is freed.
Sam Webb says this morning that Wermers and O'Neill were roommates. So you've got two big OLs who undoubtedly both came into Ann Arbor with high expectations and who were used to being praised for their talent, and all of a sudden they're buried on the depth chart behind guys who appear to be better suited to the spread. They're living together, so every night they're in their dorm room or apartment, and it's absolutely inevitable they're going to start bitching about how all fucked it is at UM. They're going to mutually reinforce each other's discontent and unhappiness, which means their departures were almost a foregone conclusion.
Interesting, I'm sure this had a lot to do with it.
I just don't understand him saying he loves his teammates, but also that the new kids weren't part of his "crowd."
Warmers wasnt creative enough to make up his own excuse for leaving so he had to use Boren's excuse