Don't confuse who he is as a person with what he does as a football player.
I thought that myself when I read that article that talked about a Data Scientist(tm)
Don't confuse who he is as a person with what he does as a football player.
True. That was just my initial reaction and it could apply to any aspect of life. Of course, it's also important to enjoy the journey. If he had little opportunity to play (as people say - I don't know) then maybe this is best for him.
I feel like I'm at a seminar now. Are you going to have to go to Scottsdale to keep your book deal from falling through?
I only have 7 of the 9 steps worked out so far.
i wanna see the look on this dudes face in 2 years when we win the national championship
Sorry to burst you bubble but we won't win the NC in 2 years.
NO SUGARCOAT WITH YOU NOW IS THERE?!?!?!?!??!?!
would be 2011. if things in the program progress the way they have been they'll have a very good shot
Thank you Obes, I was thinking the same. We'll have a solid squad by then with all the young guys we have. Tate will be a Junior and three year starter with a very strong O line, as well as RB and WR corps. The defense will have both talent and experience to be dominant, likely. I'm not going to guarantee anything, but I'm not going to bet against it either.
I agree that our offense should be very good a couple of years from now. Our defense? That is yet to be determined. I'm not nearly as optimistic as you are on that front, Wolv.
But before we definitively say that the team will "have a very good shot" at a national championship in two years, we need to see marked improvement from last year's debacle. A 7-5 season puts the team on a good trajectory, whereas finishing 5-7 would indicate that more time might be needed.
You may be right, I am not denying that; I am just surprised at your confidence level.
The record will mean less than how the games are played, as trite as that sounds. The difference between 7-5 and 5-7 can be something as small as 2 missed FGs.
Haven't we known that Wermers was leaving for a while?
He's gone......he wasn't going to play and I'm sure the coaches have moved on.
Bo had a bunch of players leave when he cranked up the intensity of the program. Bo didn't always use the nicest language either. I have a problem with players that criticize the progeram when leaving...it says something about their character also. One scholarship freed up.
I don't think leaving a far from ideal situation for him makes him a quitter.
However, trashing the program and his old teammates on his way out the door makes him a mild expletive.
So anybody here can have a good guestimate on the number of scholarships available for this year's class?
I've seen guesstimates that think the number can be anywhere from 19 and possibly up to 25 after the season is completed.
If you're annoyed by the Young Jeezy and Lil Wayne playing in the weight room, Kurt, just turn up the The Fray on your iPod real loud.
Jeez, what a weird statement to make. Not your kinda crowd? The fuck? What kinda statement is that? I never hear recruits play that angle - bitching about their own new teammates. When you consider the makeup of the recruits since RichRod arrived, it's pretty easy to read through what Wermers is saying. I just wonder why it bothered him that much.
I found that quote from Wermers to be a bit disconcerting as well.
The Fray sucks.
This article is bad for us because, like most bad PR, it creates public perception. And we can bitch all we want about reality vs. perception but the fact is, as has been said before, perception creates it's own reality. This will be fuel for the haters and the media, which influences parents, which influences kids, which influences recruiting. This is not the first comment we've heard about "business" for the RR administration, and while I have nothing against that, for some that is code for "treats players like athletes only and doesn't care for them as people."
The only cure is a winning season, which will push these types of articles towards irrelevance. Let's hope that happens soon.
If Wermers wasn't comfortable here, he probably wasn't going to help much. Good thing is, it came from somewhere we can afford a bit of attrition. The 08 OL class had six guys. We're down to four. That's still a good recruiting class. Mealer, Omameh, Khoury, Barnum..let those four go to work!
That's pretty damn inflammatory. Basically he said that "RR's bringing in really bad people" without being remotely specific. So, is RR bringing in child molesters, drug dealers, white slave traders, gun runners, heroin addicts, gang-bangers, Mafia hit men, bad check passers, and Al Queda operatives, or offensive linemen who were just much better than he was?
It's interesting we get the whole family values crap again at the same time that a high school principal and his wife praise RR and his staff to the hilt for the way they went about recruiting their son. There have been numerous comments by other recruits and/or their parents about the family-friendly atmosphere under RR and his staff. Eliot Mealer is one of them, just as a fr'-instance.
I've done this before, and recently too, but I'm going to quote Bo again:
"I came in and instituted an extremely rigorous summer training program–there had been none–and everyone told me it wouldn’t work, that people wouldn’t go for that in Ann Arbor. The team had a reputation for having good talent, but being soft. I did have some attrition, but the real football players stayed. I was harder on that first Michigan team–which included Dan Dierdorf–than I ever was on any other group, partly because I was so driven by my own ambition. I killed them. I ran them into the ground."
"I was prepared for some attrition when I became Michigan's coach. I can honestly say we did not lose a guy who really could have helped us. I didn't lose any sleep over anyone who quit that spring of 1969."
If Bo's first season was in 2009 instead of 1969, the internet tubes would be full of people howling for his scalp for "driving off" all those quality young men that Bump recruited. Rob Parker would be moaning about the loss of family values. Some idiot sportswriter down in Ohio would be speculating about Bo being fired and becoming the coach at Akron.
I ain't saying that RR is Bo reincarnate. They're very different people and coaches, and Rodriguez obviously still has a lot to prove here, but this family values stuff is comical.
Great post. That got me fired up.
I stated this earlier, but I wish I knew exactly what he was referring to by the "wrong crowd."
Wermers left months ago -1 for header. As for his comments, who gives a fuck?? Leaving for Ball St and Western tell you all you need to know about these guys. Buried on the depth chart, don't want to get tortured for 4 more years and not play, asta la vista baby. I can play in the MAC hopefully. I'm leaving don't want to sound like a quitter or admit that I blow so I lash out with some BS. It's so SOP by now I find it comical anyone pays attention.
hmmmm "it was more of a business"
well, like it or not college football is a business, and I can't say that it bothers me to hear that. besides, we've heard plenty of recruits go on and on about how much they like the coaching staff.
I just think the difference between the way Carr did things and the way Rodriguez does things is so huge that some of the guys recruited by Carr (like Wermers and Boren) just aren't happy with the culture shock. I don't blame them for leaving if they aren't happy.
good luck to him
Word. And I also think part of what hurt Carr toward the end of his career was that he DIDN'T approach football like it was a business.
I found it funny that he said
"They were bringing in a lot of different kids that were not my kind of crowd."
But at the end of the article he said
"It was fun, a great school and I loved my teammates,"
So the kids were not his kind of crowd but he loved them anyways?
Glad you said it, I didn't want to page back to copy the second sentence.
I'm trying to figure out how he knew that Carr's team was like a family when he never played for Carr. And to say, "But if I'm not happy every day that I wake up, why keep doing it?", shows that he does not have the character to play for this team.
Dear Mr. Wermers, there are bigger problems in this world than anything you are going through (football related). Thousands of kids would trade anything for the opportunity you had.
I don't get some of the comments these players give when they leave. You see it in every program across the country when a kid decides to transfer. It seems like each kid tries to blame their former school in making them leave, but is that always the reality?
Good luck to you Wermers, but maybe you just were not good enough?
1. "But if I'm not happy every day that I wake up, why keep doing it?"
As Blue42 noted, even the best/most dominant/happiest/Tebow football players do not wake up happy every day. You tear your rotator cuff. You sprain a finger on your throwing hand. You don't see your friends or your girlfriend for two weeks. Four straight road games. You don't go to school because school is fun; you go because it leads to better things and because you feel a sense of accomplishment when you've finished it and new opportunities arise because of your dedication.
2. "They were bringing in a lot of different kids that were not my kind of crowd."
This could mean one of two things. Either Wermers saw the leaner, spread-ready players entering the program and he decided it wasn't the right fit for him, or he is making a really shitty remark about the collective character of his teammates. The last thing I want to do, though, is put words in Wermers' mouth, so we have to assume nothing more than "he did not fit in (in whatever capacity he meant) with the incoming football players."
Whatever the case, good luck to him in his future endeavors, football and otherwise. I don't revile anyone who earned a scholarship to play football at Michigan; I certainly won't start with Wermers.
Have you considered starting with Boren?
You don't go to school because school is fun; you go because it leads to better things and because you feel a sense of accomplishment when you've finished it and new opportunities arise because of your dedication.
you've never met anyone from MSU have you?
I realize that playing football in college is not the same thing as working at a real job, but there are plenty of similarities nonetheless. I learned the hard way a long time ago that bashing a former employer openly in an public interview is virtually never to your own benefit. It's always much better to keep your yap shut if you can't say the expected polite things about where you worked.
Wermers hatred of black people is sad. Hopefully he can find help for his blatant racism.
You're inferring a lot from his vague comment. I wouldnt be so quick to call him a racist. For all we know he could have meant that the type of players being brought in (Slim, quick lineman) made him not fit in. I just think its not fair to call him a racist when we do not know what he truly meant. One thing we can say, is he used poor wording and was to vague.
Ha. I do not know Brodie nor have I ever conversed with him.
However, I've been on here enough to know that this is a typical Brodie response to what he perceives as stupid or ridiculous. There are a lot of posts insinuating racism and this is likely his way of saying exactly what you just said. His style is bold, sarcastic, and often taken the wrong way.
You can easily tell his sarcastic responses from his real thoughts. Compare this post to his recent diary.
Yeah, you pretty much nailed it. Your windbreaker is in the mail.
Sorry to misinterpret his response. I am new to this site and haven't read many (if any) of his posts. I will learn from my mistake and in the future take the comment(s) as being sarcastic in nature. Thank you for the tip!
It's in his personality whether he promulgated it or not. He appears familial, sage-like. I'm not sure a program he ran could not have appeared 'family-like'. Coach Rod's 'aura' is one that has been described as 'aw-shucks' and 'open'. A straight-forward personality that doesn't have a familial feel to it. Coach Rod was hired to do the job and he's getting things together the way he knows how to do things. I think that's what Weimers senses when he says the program is less 'family-like' and more of a 'business'. Also the fact Coach Carr was an assistant at Michigan for like 17 years before he became a head coach lends to Coach having that family feel; he's about as Michigan as a guy gets. Coach Rod has just arrived; I'm sure in time he will feel like family and perhaps he too will become 'Paternal'.
His parting comments do appear pretty nasty. "I figure I'd get out while I could" is something that you say when you have a very low opinion of the place that you are leaving. Let's not kid ourselves. Losing offensive linemen hurts. Each guy that leaves makes the margin of error for the remaining guys that much smaller. The guy was just a true freshman last year, so any speculation that he never was going to see the field is just that -- speculation. He got offers from UCLA, Notre Shame, and Purdue, so the guy wasn't a complete scrub. The program will always be bigger than one guy and it's not the end of the world, but let's not pretend that losing all of these players has made the program better. Bo may have lost a lot of guys in his first year, but he was taking over a losing program and went 8-3 in his first year. RichRod took over a winning program and went 3-9 in his first year. I want to see Rodriguez win the Big 10 before I declare that everyone who leaves the program is a loser who is going to regret it later.
I agree that losing OLs from this team is not ideal, and I agree that RR has a long ways to go before he can be favorably compared with Bo or Lloyd in terms of his Michigan career. Ixnay on the historical revisionism, though. Yes, overall Bump Elliott was a mediocre coach, but for the record, his 1968 team finished 8-2 and ended the year ranked #12 by the AP. His 1964 team went 9-1, shut out Ohio State on the road, beat the snot out of their Pac-10 opponent in the Rose Bowl, and ended the year ranked #4. His 1966 team was 6-4, and beat Cal, Oregon State, and beat Ohio State on the road.
Schembechler took pains to point out many times that the team he inherited from Elliott had plenty of talent on it, including such returning starters as Dan Dierdorf, Jim Mandich, Tom Curtis, and Henry Hill, all of whom won All-American honors. In addition, Bo also inherited Elliott's last recruiting class of 1968, which included future All-Americans Thom Darden, Marty Huff, Reggie McKenzie, Paul Seymour, Mike Taylor, and Billy Taylor. Glenn Doughty was also part of that class, and was a key RB for Bo during his career. Yes, Bo gets all the credit for turning those guys into All-Americans, but by no means was the cupboard bare when he got to Ann Arbor. He wasn't turning hamburger into filet mignon.
It's not doing an injustice to Bo to also point out that the Big 10 back in the 70s was a joke; if you think the conference has problems now, you should have seen it back when Bo was establishing his reputation here. They didn't call it the "Big 2 and the Little 8" for nothing. The scholarship restrictions that were put into place in the late 70s or early 80s evened things out a great deal, and it's been a far, far more competitive conference overall since then.
Man, between Dave Poe and Wermers there's so many sour grapes going around lately we could start a whinery.
I am surprised by this news. I was under the impression (from GBMW) that Wermers was a workhorse and that he was impressing the staff with his commitment. I was led to believe that he would have a chance to start this year.
OT: Did Ann Arbor get 3G coverage (T-Mobile) today? My phone shows 3G, but maybe it's wrong..I haven't tested the internet speeds yet. Can anyone confirm?
No way! GBMW steered you wrong? But I thought we were supposed to go there for all the good Michigan insider information? You mean when they were talking completely out of their ass about the psyche of an individual player they fucking whiffed and got it ass backwards wrong?
I AM SHOCKED, no sugarcoat, epinion, et al
But they said his intangibles measured off the charts! I didn't think there was any way he would leave!