I don't think they changed Les at all actually
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9/26/2008 – Michigan 27, Wisconsin 25 – 2-2, 1-0 Big Ten
I don't have to tell you it was ugly at first, but an illuminating example: at a couple points in the first half when the guy with the red hat was on the field various family members of mine stood up because we're natural standers frustrated by the usual decorum of our section.
A set of ancients crabbed at them to sit down despite, you know, the lack of anything to see other than a guy with a red hat standing on the field, and when this was finally annoying enough for someone to respond with the obvious riposte about the red hat a full-scale verbal confrontation ensued in which the crabs behind us simultaneously complained about how we were violating the stadium announcer's request to treat our fellow seatmates with respect and called my cousin "fatso."
I thought but did not say "I know you are wearing a hat that indicates you fought at the battle of Antietam but don't think I won't smash your skull into splinters."
At halftime, Michigan had 21 yards. I tried to hide from the sun and list all the things I would rather do than watch the second half.
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At the beginning of the year we were all confronted by an unexpected cost imposed by the massive turnover in coaches and star players: Michigan seemed a little like laundry we wanted to win, and sucky laundry at that. They wore the wrong numbers and ran the wrong way and certainly played the wrong way and goddammit where was Mike Hart?
We know college football players not as people but as things that have transpired on the field. By the story arcs their careers trace out, tragedy or comedy. Without those—without even Lloyd Carr's story to fall back on—the first few games of the season were strangely numb. They lost to Utah? Okay. They lost by 18 to Notre Dame? Okay. You can go back and check the columns here: serenity reigned. That was born from detachment.
Johnny at RBUAS captured this sentiment perfectly:
Mike, Jake and Chad risked their dignity and only left with a little of it, but they came back in the first place by choice, because of something bigger. As for the guys that are still here, Trent and Jamison are mostly quiet and patient and had no place else to go. And no matter how jubilant and grateful Terrance might seem, he knew how much money could be made by coming back. I don’t hesitate to say that wins this year won’t be as satisfying as wins last year were. Not enough of these players have suffered yet.
Those people out there aren't Mike, Jake, and Chad but Threet and McGuffie (or Shaw or Minor or Brown or Grady) and I'm Not Sure Who The Left Tackle Is This Week.
But there is no better one-word description for the first half Saturday than "suffering," and Johnny Thompson is always going to be the guy who picked off Allan Evridge. Steven Threet could have four years of moments good and bad in him but I suspect to me he'll always be looking over his shoulder at Wisconsin safeties, just as shocked at what is transpiring as everyone else.
After it was over I did something I hadn't done since I was a kid making paper airplanes out of the free programs and throwing confetti* in the air whenever Michigan scored. I went down to the tunnel as the players exited the field and watched them go: Taylor boisterous, high fiving anyone he came across, Warren stoic, the Coner completely neutral until someone thumped his shoulder pads in congratulations. The only thing that betrayed Kevin Koger and his old man beard as an 18 year old, not an Antietam veteran, was the kid-on-Christmas-morning smile stretching from ear-to-ear. A blood-soaked band-aid hung from Thompson's chin, gamely sticking to a couple of hairs in his ragged beard. Barwis looked like he was stuck in a paint shaker.
These are no longer strangers. I know how they run, and they are mine. I wanted to say something to them, to wrap everything that had just transpired into a sentence and give it to them, to tell them about ashes and hope and the future. But nothing came.
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After Brandon Minor's touchdown run I turned around to see what the crabs were thinking and perhaps to say something unkind. They had left at halftime.
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This is what I should have said: "Those who stay will be champions."
BULLETS
- Thanks, karma! The entire crab sequence was awesome.
- Carson Butler got suspended and Mike Massey flailed around a bit before being replaced by Kevin "My Name Lacks An R" Koger, who proceeded to do nothing obviously wrong and then caught a seam route touchdown. If they're going to burn a redshirt, it might as well be for a 30-yard touchdown, and since he doesn't seem appreciably worse than either of the two nominal starters I say let it ride.
- This is what I am talking about with the "It's Great To Be A Michigan Wolverine" chant. It should be kept in reserve for Events.
- I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but if you booed the team you're an asshat. You wear asses for hats. Yes, you may have the purchased the right to boo your asshat-wearing heads off, but you are also taking your frustration out on a team that's obviously trying really hard but just kind of sucks from time to time. Booing the coaches is your excuse? Don't care, the players couldn't tell, and now they probably think we're all asshats because of you. You have a "right" to boo. You also have the right to give your grandmother the finger and call her a harlot.
- The block M in the student section was not epic fail but it did look a little squat from my vantage point.
- What is the point of replay if they aren't going to overturn that ridiculous Wisconsin "reception" in the fourth quarter? Even the Wisconsin fans in our section thought that was a terrible call.
- As I was walking home these guys behind me were having an extended conversation about how Rodriguez was dumb to go for two. One: they were wrong. Two: seriously? Seriously this is what you're focusing on instead of one of the best games in Michigan Stadium history? It must suck to be those guys.
- Those guys at the 1997 OSU game: "It should never have been that close."
- Those guys at the birth of their children: "he has a disappointingly shaped head, did you have to push so hard?"
- Those guys in the space machine vortex thingy from Contact: "you should have sent a poet. I'm just a guy who has no understanding of game theory. I'm not even enjoying this because I don't have someone belting out quatrains about these stupid galaxies."
*(Also made from the free programs. Those things are clutch when you're ten.)
booing is low class and always has been.
it's not something to debate intellectually or rationalize. it's just bad manners and makes you look like trash. stop it
turbo - I didn't mean to imply that I don't get joy/pleasure from watching Michigan football, obviously, that's wrong. What I'm trying to say, though, is that those kids don't owe me shit. If Trent fumbles the ball, he doesn't need to answer to me, and I have no place to declare an error they make as "unacceptable" - because who am I? They aren't getting paid a cent, and providing me with entertainment - and, unquestionably trying their hardest to do so. They have all this responsibility, and what's mine, as a fan? To show up, or turn the game on? Try to stay sober enough to watch the whole thing? So why the fuck should I boo them for trying their fucking hardest? What the fuck did I do to earn the right to pass judgement on their best efforts?
How is it your right to determine what 109,xxx other people should or should not be doing? I am just wondering... We are all adults here and if some feel the need to boo the performance in the first half I don't think it is up to you whether that is right or wrong. Last I checked you were in charge of your own actions and that is all. If you choose to stand in stunned silence that is your right. If others choose to boo, that is their choice.
Folks - the argument on whether to "boo" or not to "boo" is actually pointless, because people don't actually "boo." "Booing" refers to the centuries-old tradition of yelling the actual word "boo" at people. I don't think that anyone in that stadium is actually chanting "boo" (other than the 100-year old alumni that sit behind me whenever I actually get to go to a game). However, for some reason, the act of a large group of people expressing displeasure has a distinct sound that sounds like the word "boo" is being yelled (which may be where the word comes from). If enough people instictively yell out in frustration after a bad play, its going to sound like booing.
Madvillian, in one post, encapsulated what I've attmepted to say in like 6. Yes, sir.
I'm not saying they can't boo. I'm saying it's shitty.
and Boo, and see if it changes the way i call the defense.. or in the way the kids perform. IF you think you had any impact ont he game in a positive way by booing, you are wrong... I wonder what the recruits thought of the sound of boo's. It doesnt effect me, i cant justify it, or condone it, but i wont tell you you cant either..
I'm pretty shocked to see fans on here defending the boos. At the game I just figured it was the WalMart wolverines who were booing and not the alumni. Totally classlass and stupid, the only things boos do is make the opposing team's fans happy (and also make them wonder, what kind of idiot Michigan fans boo their own team?).
FWIW, on our blog, a commenter has seats right next to where the school sits our visiting recruits and their families. Apparently, as the team was booed off the field at the end of the first half, amidst the boos, at least one recruit turned to their parent and said "this is fucked up".
yeah that blows. i was thinking about that. any feedback on what they were thinking after the game? i was reading Rivals and Brandon Hawthorne said this trip solidified him coming to michigan. hopefully that was the general sentiment shared by the other recruits (i'm looking at you big will).
i only respect other superfans
Was the recruit saying the first half was fucked up (my, my, a high school kid really turned to his parent and said "fucked up"??) or did he say the booing was fucked up?
Life should not be a journey to the grave to arrive safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What A Ride!" HST
You don't think Alabama would boo their team too? You don't think LSU, Florida, Oklahoma, or any other powerhouse would do that? It in no way helps recruiting, but to think that Michigan is the worst offender is stupid. It merely is what it is. I really think this whole booing thing has been blown out of proportion. Everyone wants to be right or claim that they are a better fan or whatever.
You have an opinion, I have an opinion, we may or may not agree, and who the hell knows who is right. You may be right, or I may be right, or maybe no one is right. That is what it all boils down to. Yay for the internet.
Why don't we all start behaving like Ohio State fans while we're at it?
Don't let your hatred due to the rivalry fool you all too much. I grew up in Ohio, bleeding maize and blue in a sea of scarlet and grey. But most Ohio State fans really aren't that obnoxious. At least, not any more obnoxious than Michigan fans always talking about how they're better, smarter, and won't work at gas stations when they get older. Get real people, UM is a fantastic University, but stop trying to pretend that the people here are so high class. Hell, if you talk to a lot of people at OSU, they think they're classy and that we're spoiled and rude. Oh, the joys of a different perspective...
that's kind of the point, isn't it? we're not florida, or alabama, or lsu fans. and thank god, because they're kinda...you know...assholes. we're a worse fanbase than i thought, if the best we can do is that "they do it over there." we're better than they are.
and oklahoma fans would most definitely NOT boo their team.
We are better aren't we. Why? Because we went to U of M. That makes us so much better than these other people. They're all classless, hell half of them probably don't even have teeth. At least someone will be around to serve me my burgers. </sarcasm>
I spent a semester at Tulane University and made a few trips to LSU. They were nice, fun, and damn the girls were hot. Nothing like 70 degree weather bringing out the best of girls even in December. My point: they're not all that different. Stop fooling yourself into thinking that you're so god damn classy. Hell, I think your own arrogance about it would contradict the concept of "classy" in and of itself.
talking about the booing or the play of the team, cause if it's the latter, then he was technically 'booing' too.
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This young team of ours will one day be a core of seasoned veterans, a well-oiled machine driven by the fire of Barwis and well-schooled in our new coach's offensive scheming. Perhaps then, a large majority of these very same young men will still be on the football field, touted as an offensive juggernaut by the headline-scooping national media.
Perhaps McGuffie and Shaw will be the most heralded one-two punch our backfield has ever seen. Perhaps Stonum will be wearing the #1 and pulling touchdowns out of the sky like a bird of prey. Perhaps Mike Martin will be a defensive captain and an All-American. And yes, perhaps Threet will still be starting and possess both a win-loss record and a will to win not unlike Chad Henne's.
Perhaps they'll be playing their last game in the Big House, blowing out Brutus. Perhaps it will be the second or third victory over the Damn Buckeyes. Perhaps we'll even be on our way to the BCS Championship.
Remember Saturday, boo birds. Remember the day you booed them simply because you were forced to identify with their failure by the block M on your shirt. If that's the case, then just take it off... For those of you who booed the boys, realize that you were doing it to distance yourself from their poor performance. To distance yourself from Michigan football.
"THE TEAM. THE TEAM. THE TEAM."
"i paid for this seat, i can boo"
"don't tell me what to do, you arent the boss of me"
etc, etc
stop trying to justify acting like a lout
Chitownblue, the recruit might have been talking about 20 total yards of offense in the first half... that is fucked up. j/k, I understand why it is shitty to boo, but that doesn't mean people won't do it, nor does it really mean people shouldn't do it. People should do as they please.
I can maybe, MAYBE see boing after App State last year. What I cannot even begin to fathom is booing an offense composed of freshman, a month into college, learning a brand new scheme, playing a top 10 team, for things that are clearly accidental. This is why booing is not acceptable. How about you let me stand over your shoulder for the first 2 months you're working a new job and let me judge every action you make?
If I did as badly at my job as we did in that first half, I'd be fired. I'd much prefer it if I were only booed.
I'm willing to bet you're either a union worker or someone else that can't get fired. The massive sense of undeserved entitlement that permeates your posts can come from no where else.
I guess I should tell all the fat people I see that they are slobs and they should get with the program? Like they don't already know?
People should NOT do as they please. They should strive to be decent. It's not always easy. Sometimes, watching football I yell "SHIT!" My daughter reminds me that the Big Ten does not tolerate inappropriate behavior yadda yadda whatever that announcement the PA guy says before games. That doesn't make it right but at least it is not premeditated. Booing the team as they head up the tunnel is a premeditated choice. If you can do as you please, I can tell you I think it makes you an asshole.
for not living up to your posting capabilities. Boo to you, sir.
Who are you to boo? He is not being paid to post here. He does it out of the goodness of his heart, and because of that he can do no wrong. He posts solely for your enjoyment and is innocent. If you don't like his posting, you should sit there quietly and not do or say anything. You might hurt his feelings. YOU ARE AN EVIL ASSHAT!!!!
You don't see metaphors? The other day, I was watching a little kid run really fast, and my mind saw him passing an actual cheetah.
Also, I don't know if anyone here reads Black Hearts Gold Pants, but they had a picture, after Iowa beat Iowa St., of the team celebrating with the trophy, and giving the finger-over-your-lips "shush" sign - TO THEIR OWN CROWD. The team was sick of the fans booing them, and, more specifically, Jake Christensen, and the situation created obvious animosity for the crowd from the team.
I did not boo at the game -- lots around me did. BUT
Be careful what you wish for.
Is booing the other team's band "high class"? How do you think it makes their band members feel?
How about yelling "who cares?"
How about booing the other team's fight song?
How about yelling "you suck" on 4th down?
I happen to believe all of this is simply freedom of speech. Putting a value judgement on when any of this is good or bad is a bit elitist.
Life should not be a journey to the grave to arrive safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What A Ride!" HST
All the other things you mention are classless as well, but they are directed AT THE OTHER TEAM. Freedom of speech should be accompanied by the sense to shut up.
Just want to make sure I understand what you are saying:
A) It is OK to be classless as long as it is directed at the other team
or
B) People should just shut up and not direct classless stuff at either team
Life should not be a journey to the grave to arrive safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What A Ride!" HST
whomever it may be directed toward, and I don't engage in it. I do swear and curse fate a lot, though.
HOWEVER, I also think that you are an idiot if you treat your team to the same classless behavior you inflict upon their opponents.
Harassing the other team is not classless, it's to be expected. Booing your own team is classless. Booing your own team, when they are a majority of freshman and even the upperclassman are learning new schemes is so beyond classless it's astounding.
1) brian is me.... he describes the EXACT same feelings/experiences I have felt/experienced over the years. 90% of why I read this stuff.
2) booing... i don't care too much that people boo in general. what i can't stand are the people who yell specifically at individual players. 2 douches in back of me, paraphrased:
"Go to Eastern to play like that, Threet- you suck! bring in sheridan!"
"get off the field, mcguffie!"
I mean, really. bring it down a notch. The one thing i'll say about the booin, and i'll leave it for the rest of you to comment: What if, instead of the booing going into the lockerroom at the half, an impromptu round of 'Let's Go Blue!" started? I think that would have been really cool.
3) i kind of felt like it was a little early to go for two.... lots of possesions left in the game and it turned out that the 1 pt would have made it a 2 possesion game at the end. i guess what i'm saying is.... show me the peer-reviewed mathematical proof, as applied to this case.
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We're not arrogant, we're just better.
I was at the stadium for the win over OSU when we won the Big Ten, the last-second win over Washington, for the overtime victory over Penn State, for the triple-overtime comeback over MSU, and for the last-second Manningham TD catch against Penn State. The moment of euphoria when Thompson crossed the goal was as amazing as any of the moments of euphoria in any of those games. In fact, it may have been even more amazing because of the absolute rock-bottom misery of the first half and because, as Brian noted, that moment became a moment that made these particular players on this particular team important to me as a fan.
I wasn't on board with the booing, either. I wasn't happy at halftime, but I didn't boo as the team left the field; I did nothing. When it comes to a poor performance by the home team, I firmly believe that a silent stadium speaks volumes more than a stadium filled with boos.
Also, I didn't have to deal with any of the aforementioned crabs on Saturday, but I did have to deal with a couple of them at last year's ND game. I figured I'd be sitting most of the game, so I was standing before the game; when the ND band started to take the field, an older woman behind me grouched, "Excuse me -- some of us would like to see the pregame." But there was sweet justice later, as the crowd stood for most of the game and she couldn't do a thing about it; she and her husband ended up leaving sometime during the third quarter.
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You may be surprised!
Life should not be a journey to the grave to arrive safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What A Ride!" HST
Enjoy Life - if anyone was advocating the passage of legislation, you'd have a point. But, considering that people are merely arguing for better conduct...you don't.
You'd think that one would be the equivalent of Hitler for booing 5 turnovers and 20 yards of offense in a half. Look - I respect and admire our players, but no one, least of all the players themselves, would be satisfied with that first half. I don't think booing means that we don't like you, don't respect you, or want you to leave. To me, booing means that we think you are playing below what you are capable of.
Also, if anyone saying booing is classless or "WalMart" because it is directed at innocent precious college football players, I hope you never boo the other team or chant mean things at them. If you ever do, then you are a huge hypocrite (which of course you are).
I agree completely!!!
Life should not be a journey to the grave to arrive safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What A Ride!" HST
I agree completely that there is a lot of hypocrisy for anyone who boos one team and thinks that is OK but booing the home team is not.
Life should not be a journey to the grave to arrive safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What A Ride!" HST




Now we're allowed to boo for stuff that happened over 2 games? 11 turnovers in 6 quarters? If you're going to be a moron and boo, then keep it to the current game. OMG Michigan hasn't won the Big 10 since 2004. Should you boo that too? How about the underperforming last year? Let's boo that during the next game. There's lot of shit I'd like to make up for and boo.
All the players are capable of doing are playing football. Coaches can coach. Like Brian said, booing a collegiate athlete is asshated. NFL is different because that is their job. If you're not living up to your potential (what you're getting paid), then you have every right to be boo'ed. I'd boo you at work if you were slacking off reading MGoBlog.
And don't think your booing did anything to spark the great comeback. That occurred because of our players and coaches. Fans did shit.