“On the offense last year, they had great spacing. That’s what I remember. Great spacing, great shooters, like Nik Stauskas, who’s not there right now. But they always have someone to fill the roles. They have a cutting offense, kind of hard to guard.”
"Northwestern fans can be both heartened and disheartened by the loss to Minnesota just like how nineteenth-century resurrectionists were heartened when they pried a heart from a freshly-buried corpse and then disheartened it when they sold it to a disreputable anatomist."
We're onto the 2012 class, eh? How many scholarships does Michigan have to give? What's the breakdown on commits at different positions? Who are likely options at some of those positions? All that and more inside Wednesday Recruitin'!
The Numbers and Positions
Take a gander at the Depth Chart by Class, and you'll see there are 83 scholarship players on the 2011 football roster (including Jordan Kovacs as a scholarship player). That means there are two open slots for the 2012 class.
In addition, Michigan will have 15 scholarship players see their eligibility expire following the 2011 season - Shaw, Hemingway, Stonum, Odoms, Grady, Koger, Huyge, Molk, Martin, Van Bergen, Watson, Herron, Fitzgerald, Woolfolk and Williams. Whether or not Mike Williams sticks around for his fifth year doesn't affect the 2012 class because he's gone after this season either way.
Altogether, that means our operating number for the 2012 class starts at 17, before there's any roster attrition. Assuming a couple players ultimately leave the team for any reason (unrenewed fifth years, early NFL entry, etc.), we'll peg the starting number at 19.
Without going into too much (boring) detail, Michigan needs by position are approximately as follows:
If you want the nitty-gritty, you can peruse the Depth Chart by Class. In next week's recruiting update, I'll run down all the prospects Michigan has offered once more, and hopefully a recruiting board will be operational by then. After that, recruiting updates should be back to normal.
Don't get the reference? Acquaint yourself here and here.
Michigan decided to go on an offer blitz shortly after last week's recruiting update went up (great timing, guys!). Among the newly-offered prospects are:
Unsatisfied with offering only one set of teammates on Wednesday, the Wolverines went up the road to Farmington Hills, giving offers to Harrison WR Aaron Burbridge, TE Devin Funchess, and DE Mario Ojemudia ($, info in header). FHH has been a Michigan State feeder lately, so it remains to be seen if Brady Hoke and Co. can steal any of these prospects away from the Spartans. 24/7 Sports fluff on the Harrison guys, and Burbridge tells them he's "always been a State fan."
OH QB Maty Maukreceived a Michigan offer. He told Tom that he plans to make it up to Ann Arbor within the next couple weeks. As the younger brother of former Cincinnati QB Ben Mauk, most assume Notre Dame's Brian Kelly should be able to land him.
Michigan has offered NC RB Keith Marshall, who is likely to be among the top prospects in the nation. His highlight reel is a sight to behold:
CA WRs Derrick Woods and Malik Gilmore have both received Michigan offers.
“He is wide open,” [McKinley coach Ron] Johnson said. “There are a lot of different things he’s interested in. He’s going to go through the whole process and really get to meet guys. There are a lot of new staffs involved; guys he’ll want to meet and get to know. I just hope they go where they want to be, and where they’re going to have a chance for a good career.”
One of those places is Michigan. The Wolverines hired Brady Hoke to replace Rich Rodriguez. Hoke is from Ohio and seems to be making a renewed commitment to battling the Buckeyes in their backyard
Despite what his coach says, Pittman (pictured) is widely considered to be a heavy lean to the Buckeyes, and would be an excellent pull for Brady Hoke and Co.
Michigan's new coaching staff is still interested in FL QB Bennie Coney. As mentioned in the fall, he didn't play football this season due to a disciplinary issue, but is still on good terms with his head coach.
Michigan State has offered and leads for OH RB William Mahone ($, info in header).
Tom gets an update from the coach of PA DE Noah Spence, who is one of the top prospects in the Keystone State:
"We'll try to get [Noah's highlight film] out in the next couple days, we'll email it to every program in the country probably next week," said Head Coach Jeff Weachter. "Michigan hasn't gotten it yet, but I'd imagine they will offer once they do, everyone else has."
Spence's father is researching every school in-depth, so Michigan's hire of Greg Mattison is certain to help the Wolverines. Mattison is also acquaintances with Spence's head coach.
Michigan's interest in OH DE Tom Strobel has "intensified" ($, info in header). He holds a Michigan offer.
Tom's Weekly Update has a metric ton of information, and with limited space, I'm just going to link it and say read the whole thing. If you need more prodding, there's an update on LEVITICUS PAYNE within.
"I'm most definitely still a fan of Michigan. No doubt about it -- Michigan is Michigan. I still enjoy watching those guys play. I'm in the process of getting some old film from Michigan. I'm really excited... We talk about (going to the same school) all the time," Diamond said of he and [2011 MIchigan Commit Chris] Bryant.
Scout's Alen Trieu says he's a borderline 5-star entering his junior season. Diamond would be a great and for Brady Hoke's staff. He's certainly no lock, but a visit this weekend could be a great start to building a lead. Despite being on-campus, he will not participate in the Best of the Midwest...
It's interesting, but I don't know if it's necessary. I'd probably look at it, but not a ton, I have no idea how long it would take you to do, so I'd say that I can go without it
In general thanks for the update. It'd be good to get some of these high rated guys who want to commit early on campus. With regards to the "Best of the Midwest" What can Michigan "do"? Can the coaches introduce themselves? are they just using our building? Can the prospects take tours? Just wander campus?
"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"
It really was a lot of tedious effort, but I'm not sure the return was marginal, at least from a fan's perspective. Either way, I'd like to put some more information into it and start making it a good tool to have. Maybe add in conferences, etc.
i'm guessing he has all the info somewhere and just needs to make a table out of it. i'll bet tracking changes in it over time, or comparing our charts to similar charts for other schools, could lead to some interesting diaries.
OK - I just searched the site for news on him and didn't come across anything about which you're referring. Is one of the Talbott's off the team? I go to Maui for one week, and look what I miss.
Also - If Tim says something like "refer to the depth chart by class and you'll see _____" shouldn't that link agree with what he states? If we're linking to that as the authority, it should at least be updated.
then about a week ago i changed it to 85. I counted it at least 5 or 6 times. I did, however, count Greg Brown. I will count all of the players until I get for sure news that a player is or isn't gone.
I agree with that. The chart shows 85 scholarship players right now including Brown, and 70 with eligibility after this fall, also including Brown. Even if you take him out, it still doesn't jive with the numbers Tim mentions in the OP.
It should be 15 open right now. Assuming schollies for Grady and kovacs, Watson and Williams would be 84 and 85. Tim's counted them as seniors leaving but has omitted them from his total count which he has at 83. Essentially, he's double counted both of them. Total (as of now) should be 15, not 17.
There was a rumour about a week ago that a DB had left the program and it was speculated to be Greg Brown. We haven't heard anything concrete either way so the assumption is that everyone is still with the team.
Tim or anyone else with recruiting knowledge, do you know if ND is looking to take 2 QB's in their class this year? I have read many places that Gunner Kiel is a lean for ND, and if Mauk looks like a ND lean as well would they hold out on Mauk to see what Kiels intentions were? I would love to get Kiel if Pike isn't an option for UM.
Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through
I'm not too concerned about Will Mahone, he has the Spartans in the lead right not because they've offered him and we haven't. Based on our low need for RBs, we might not offer him at all. If we decide we want him to be our one RB in this class, I'm sure we'll jump Sparty.
made me laugh. He insinuates that Hoke is focussed on the trenches whereas Rich Rod only cared about skill positions. Then he uses Tony Posada as an example. Can anyone point out what is wrong with that?
Seriously - that conclusion may end up being true, but not because of the evidence he gives. When Hoke came, he got commitments from a TE, a DE, 2 LBs, and a safety (maybe 2 if you count Taylor). All of the OL and DL we signed were RR recruits save Heitzman.
That said, I really hope Hoke focuses on the trenches from here on out because we need it. One way RR kind of dropped the ball was by recruiting 4 OL over 2 years, and then moving one of them to DT.
Considering how low we are on O-linemen (whatever we get this recruiting class will be the entire 2nd string in 2013, as only rFr), I don't see how 3-4 can be the goal this year. More like 5-6... whereas positions like LB and possibly DE are much lower priority.
The only reason we would need 5 defensive linemen is if none of the current guys pan out. We only lose Van Bergen and Martin after this year, and the defensive line positions are fairly well stocked (if both Campbell and Washington remain on the DL). There aren't many proven players, but there is some depth there.
If there are 5 good DL guys, we take them. We've brought in 3 DTs and 5 DE's over the last 2 classes, and a few of them are serious sleepers (Paskorz, Heitzman, Rock) and Black is the only one who even saw the field as a frosh. I'm not saying those guys aren't good, just that we don't know if they're good, and at least a few of them are longshots to be DL stars.
I don't need to tell you that the DL is an area that rotates a lot, and it's the most important position group of the defense. I want them all to be very good.
If things stay the same, we'll have 7 defensive ends and 4 defensive tackles on the roster in 2012 (or 6-and-5 or 5-and-6, depending on where Rock and Heitzman play). That doesn't include a single addition in the 2012 class.
Taking 5 defensive linemen would boost that number to 16, which is too many.
Additionally, taking 10 total linemen (O and D combined) would really limit spots for TE, QB, RB, WR, LB, CB, and S.
If the number of scholarships available remains what it is (15 or 16), there's no way we take 5 OL and 5 DL. There will probably be attrition to make that scenario more plausible, but at this point, 10 linemen is too many.
There are only 4 underclassmen on the 2012 roster. Since nearly all OL red-shirt, the 2013 team will have at most 6 players, plus the 2012 class. To fill out a 2-deep they'll need 4 guys, and that's assuming no attrition, which is very unlikely (e.g. Lewan may go pro, Pace or others may be injured).
Compare the OL, where the need was marked 3 or 4, to the DL where the allocated need was 4:
The 2012 roster has 11 guys on the DL and 10 for OL.
Removing upperclassmen, 7 on the DL and only 4 on the OL.
There are 5 OL positions and 4 DL.
DL play as freshman regularly; it's rare for OL.
While DL do rotate far more frequently, the need for OL is still severe, even with 0% attrition.
If you looking at roster needs is boring, maybe let others do the task for you. Magnus has covered this area much better at Touch the Banner and Maize N Brew.
I read some of the above comments regarding how much new information a matrix would really contribute, and I agree, the answer is probably no new information that you can't read by clicking a recruits profile on Rivals/Scout. At least directly....
The key and the useful part about building this matrix is that it allows for other people to take the data and run with it to attempt new analyses, metrics, etc. For someone like me, who works with databases/spreadsheets most of the day, I would find it extremely interesting and useful. I can think of some diaries that have manually taken this data to analyze our past recruiting classes and a matrix would have likely save them a large amount of menial and tedious number crunching.
I vote YES YES 100%. I think the time put in to build a matrix will create a lot more MGoContent than expected that will turn out to be new or insightful information. Just my humble opinion.