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Wednesday Recruitin': Overview Edition, Offense
As mentioned, Tim is off this week unless he gets bored at some point and decides to write a basketball preview. Since he's been on-board I've shot him all the articles and whatnot that comprise Wednesday Recruitin' and no longer have them loomingly open in my browser, so a standard edition is not in the cards.
However, a month into the 2011 recruiting year is about when we used to peer around at Michigan's roster and evaluate what the class priorities will be. This is that, with an assist from the Depth Chart By Class.
| Position | Incoming (c/o 2015) |
Freshmen (c/o 2014) |
Sophomores (c/o 2013) |
Juniors (c/o 2012) |
Seniors (c/o 2011) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| QB (4 + 0) |
D. Gardner |
T. Forcier D. Robinson |
Departures: None.
Numbers: Four guys who will all have multiple years of eligibility and one or two redshirt freshmen would be fine if two of the quarterbacks weren't athlete types who may end up moving elsewhere.
2011 Needs: Michigan will almost certainly take a quarterback every year from now until the sun explodes. They may even take two or three, with numbers two and three athlete types who will get the proverbial "shot" at quarterback before getting shuffled off to the secondary or offensive skill positions.
Most likely additions: There's not a quarterback on the board with so much as a green smiley, which isn't a surprise since Michigan has a sophomore starter and possibly the #1 dual threat QB of the 2010 class behind him. Quarterbacks tend to go off the board quickly, so Michigan will have to get on top of some kids. Summer camp will be important. If NY QB Ashton Broyld or FL QB Kevin Sousa get offered, they would be moderately probable.
Running Back
FL RB Demetrius Hart
| Position | Incoming (c/o 2015) |
Freshmen (c/o 2014) |
Sophomores (c/o 2013) |
Juniors (c/o 2012) |
Seniors (c/o 2011) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| RB (6 + 0) |
F. Toussaint* |
M. Cox* |
M. Shaw |
Departures: None.
Numbers: Six players, none of whom seem like candidates to move to another spot. Only one will be a senior in 2011.
2011 Needs: As with quarterbacks, Michigan is going to take at least one tailback every year. Two is a possibility if they find someone they really like later.
Most likely additions: FL RB Demetrius Hart is from Dr. Phillips, the former school of Ricardo Miller, and has been publicly enamored with Michigan for well over a year now. He wears blue on the board and plans on deciding "soon." Hart claims a crazy array of offers including Texas, Florida, Auburn, Notre Dame, and many others. Four star sort who seems like a potential top 100 player.
Meanwhile, instate RB Justice Hayes is a solid four star who is getting plenty of offers of his own. He's been a frequent visitor on the Michigan campus and Michigan will be on his short list when it comes down.
Fullback
| Position | Incoming (c/o 2015) |
Freshmen (c/o 2014) |
Sophomores (c/o 2013) |
Juniors (c/o 2012) |
Seniors (c/o 2011) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| FB (1 - 1) | M. Moundros# |
Michigan seems like it's shifting away from the Owen Schmitt model to an H-back/TE version of the spread. They haven't recruited a fullback since Rodriguez arrived; Moundros even asked for a part-time move to linebacker in his final year. We'll probably see a walk-on or two emerge this fall, but they won't figure into the scholarship count or the recruiting class.
Wide Receiver
MI WR Shawn Conway doing the other thing he does.
| Position | Incoming (c/o 2015) |
Freshmen (c/o 2014) |
Sophomores (c/o 2013) |
Juniors (c/o 2012) |
Seniors (c/o 2011) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| WR (9 - 0) | S. Conway |
C. Gordon* |
J. Stokes | J. Hemingway* D. Stonum |
Departures: None unless one of the juniors is some sort of crazy supernova and heads to the NFL, but that's one of those good problems.
Commits: Instate receiver Shawn Conway committed early to a storm of protest that will probably be muted once updated rankings come out and a 6'4" leaper with hands the size of skillets does okay in them.
Numbers: Even with Cam Gordon's move, Michigan will have ten receivers on the roster in 2011 counting Conway.
2011 Needs: With Conway in the boat, minimal. They'll go after blue chips and probably add one more player.
Most likely additions: Instate WR DeAnthony Arnett seemed like a Michigan lock very early in the cycle but now has a top three that doesn't even have Michigan and keeps spouting stuff about pro-style offenses. Michigan has Devin Gardner—a close friend—and childhood fandom going for him but will have to win this fall if they're going to beat out the world. No one else has an offer and an expressed desire to go to Michigan.
Slot
| Position | Incoming (c/o 2015) |
Freshmen (c/o 2014) |
Sophomores (c/o 2013) |
Juniors (c/o 2012) |
Seniors (c/o 2011) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Slot (7 + 0) |
J. Gallon* |
R. Roundtree* T. Robinson* T. Jones |
M. Odoms K. Grady# |
Departures: None. If Rodriguez can only make it to 2011, eh?
Numbers: We won't know exactly where Teric Jones ends up until spring, and possibly beyond. Even so, six players for one and half starting spots is about right even without Jones.
2011 Needs: Michigan continues to recruit slot receivers so you know they're looking to pick one up, but it will probably only be one and they are going to be selective.
Most likely additions: Early buzz has focused on Damiere Byrd and recent offeree Miles Shuler so far. Both are from New Jersey and seem to be at the top of the slot heap this yeaer.
Tight End
| Position | Incoming (c/o 2015) |
Freshmen (c/o 2014) |
Sophomores (c/o 2013) |
Juniors (c/o 2012) |
Seniors (c/o 2011) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| TE (3 - 1) | B. Moore* | K. Koger | M. Webb |
Departures: Second-string TE Martell Webb graduates.
Numbers: Two, both of them upperclassmen.
2011 Needs: With no tight ends in the last two classes, it's time for Michigan to recruit a couple if they intend to keep using them. They'll have two, a senior and a junior, by the time the 2011 class steps on campus.
Most likely additions: OH TE Ray Hamilton is the #6 TE to Rivals; his father was Rich Rodriguez's teammate at West Virginia and he's made multiple trips to Michigan's campus.
Offensive Line
| Position | Incoming (c/o 2015) |
Freshmen (c/o 2014) |
Sophomores (c/o 2013) |
Juniors (c/o 2012) |
Seniors (c/o 2011) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| OL (13 - 3) | M. Schofield* Q. Washington* T. Lewan* C. Pace |
P. Omameh* |
D. Molk* M. Huyge* |
S. Schilling* P. Dorrestein* J. Ferrara* |
Departures: holy crap, actual graduating starters! Or, depending on how things go, graduating starter, no S. Michigan loses four-year starter Steve Schilling, okay right tackle platoonmate Perry Dorrestein, and interior line backup
Numbers: With the departures Michigan will be down to just ten offensive linemen, and that's if no one leaves the program or gets injured. Having no more than a two-deep at offensive line is scary, as very few high schoolers hit college ready to do anything but cower.
2011 Needs: Vast, then. At least four, possibly five, and if they wanted to add a sixth guy I'd probably be okay with it.
Most likely additions: Michigan is fortunate that there are a lot of guys who are lifelong fans out there this year. Instater Anthony Zettel is a little short to play tackle but tore up a recent camp and seems like a top 250 lock; he wears blue on the recruiting board. TX OL Kourtlandt Akins has an offer and deep family ties to Michigan; M seems likely to be his pick sooner or later as well. No read yet on his ranking. AZ OL Andre… oh Jesus here goes… Yruretagoyena attends Chaparral, the school that sent Craig Roh and Taylor Lewan to Michigan, and has the Wolverines in a top two with Arizona. If he ends up committing he'll be the Evan Smotrycz of the football program.
There's also an array of instate prospects who may or may not be offer worthy. Camp will probably result in a commit from one of those guys. The early returns on players who seem highly likely to end up at Michigan are positive.
Add It Up
Approximate numbers by position:
- QB: 1
- RB: 2
- WR: 2
- Slot: 1
- TE: 1
- OL: 4
The total: 11. Michigan will probably end up with a class of around 18; they're at 14 now.
Side note: if Perry Dorrestein does not win a starting job this year, Michigan will return ten(!) starters on offense in 2011.
the famous "put the lotion in the basket" factory experience: http://www.annarbor.com/sports/reality-helps-kelvin-grady-find-a-home-on...
So Grady gave up his scholarship and moved home to Grand Rapids.
i guess he gave up his scholarship in basketball by leaving the team and agreed to walk-on to the football team.
"Real n*gg*z do real things." -Braylon Edwards
That's some scary numbers on the OL. Yes, we're going to add 4, maybe 5, in this recruiting class, but there are very few true freshman offensive lineman that start. Our OL recruiting has been very unbalanced; hopefully after this recruiting class, we go back to getting at least 3 every year.
Don't forget that we have added some decent walk-on O-linemen the last couple years. If nothing else, a seasoned walk-on can help fill the 2-deep while you red shirt/protect frosh o-linemen. I also believe that offensive line are perhaps the most difficult players to assess talent-wise coming out of HS. Most are never taught great blocking fundamentals in HS because they are 100 lbs bigger then anyone they play and can bulldoze opponents. In college some of the big lumbering o-linemen pick up skills needed to be DI competitive.
"If they ever catch me, they can have 'em." -Denard Robinson
Brian
1. How would a reduction in scholarships from the ncaa investigation possibly change the priorities on offense?
2. For a small class that seems pretty loaded to the offensive side of the ball - definitely understand the need on the oline. The defense, until proven otherwise this fall, still seems to be the weak link. It definitely appears that the secondary is hopefully headed in the right direction with the '10 recruiting class. However, the LB's appear to be quite thin especially with Mouton and Ezeh moving on after this fall. The dline while good, imo still falls far short of the dominating dlines that the top programs in the country generally put out ('Bama, OSU, USC, Florida, etc.). Offense might sell tickets, but defense wins championships.
If RR and company use that many scholarships on offense, they better hope they are hitting the bullseye on the defensive side of the ball.
I actually don't see the reduction in scholarships really hurting Michigan. They will probably either lose one scholarship each of the next two years or lose two scholarships next year (bringing their total to 16). Obviously, anytime you lose a scholarship it hurts, but I don't think it will be huge for Michigan next year. More than likely, it will cause UM to be a little more selective in who they offer and will probably cause a walk-on to not get one
We took a group of great players in 08, it was okay to take only one in 09, but now we need to get back and get 4 or more in 2010. I'm not worried about our future offensive-line. Now if we don't get any in 2010, well...
Also, I so want Shawn Conway to have a great year and to burst onto the scene (recruiting services), so people can understand exactly, once and for all, how good of a recruiter, with an eye for talent, RR and his staff has.
Are you intentionally one year behind everyone?
whining about the Shawn Conway commit, sorry.
Not here, but... Just saying.
He's referring to your years in the offensive line rundown. The 2010 class already signed and we're onto the 2011 class, so you're one year behind.
O-H-I-O: Because the "YMCA" wasn't gay enough.
You are typing 88 words per minute you are bound to go back a year or two in your post.
I really hope RR gets to a bowl game and is around for the 2011 season. Returning 10 starters, most of which would have 3 or 4 years starting would be awesome. I have a feeling RR is going to show without a doubt why we brought him in this season.
"what the hell is wrong with u?" "me? Nothing! you on the other hand, have a bullet inside of you!"
This offense could be frighteningly good in 2011 if everyone (RR included) sticks around
If our defense can keep us in games, we'll win 9.
we will see more than glimpses in 2010
this offense will crush
I think we'll have the best offense in the Big Ten.
I was talking as a team, we'll see glimpses.
I think we'll have the best offense in the Big Ten.
Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. We don't have a proven RB (no Vincent Smith does not count), and our offensive line is not very good.
I fully expect improvements all across the board. Again, this is just an opinion here.
I'm not going to say that having no returning starter is a good thing but I don't really think it's a major problem. Michigan has 4 highly talented players who all can win the starting job. The fact that Smith, who was the least hyped coming out of college, is now the favorite has to show the depth at that position. I know not all HS players project well to college but that's why having the depth back there is great. If Smith doesn't put up the numbers we need then we can move on to Shaw. If Shaw doesn't then we Cox or Toussiant. Because we have 4 genuine talented RB I really think someone will emerge as the leader (my guess is Smith) and another player will emerge as the talented back up, who will come in and push player #1 (my guess is Shaw).
Regarding scholarships next year, I really believe that the loser of the 4 way RB fight might transfer. Shaw being a junior this year won't transfer but I could see the last place finisher between Toussiant and Cox leaving. Both have lots of playing time left (3 years and 2 years) so having to sit out for 1 year wouldn't be the end of the world. I'm not saying I want them to leave or expect one to leave, I just think it's possible. White and Hopkins seem unlikely to leap past either of them on the depth chart but the talented potential 2011 recruits like Hart and Hayes could.
Alex: Backup QB is the best position in sports. In fact I get drunk all the time, I don't have to show up to class, and it's just like being a real QB but without all the pain.
I don't agree with everything you said, but I agree with the jist of your point. If you can't have a returning starter at RB, the next best thing is to be returning 4 guys who all have potential to be starters, possibly stars. A lot of teams have one maybe two guys that they rely on to replace a starter, and we have the luxury or allowing one guy to get injured and maybe another not pan out and still be in good shape with what's left.
Don't forget both true frosh RB's enrolled early and bring something unique to the table. They are certainly on the outside looking in, but I wouldn't be surprised if one or both of them contributed in some capacity.
My biggest disagreement with your post: Toussaint. He's my pick to be the starter, and even if he's not, he'll be a 2009 Carlos Brown style back-up.
'The fact that Smith, who was the least hyped coming out of college, is now the favorite has to show the depth at that position.'
Your point is there is lots of depth, yet your statement to me indicates little depth. How does the least hyped player starting = depth? At the very minimum it shows the lack of a top end (to recruitniks) RB. That being said, I am high on the RBBC I expect this year.
I think he meant that since our low rated guys are playing like 4 stars, it means we have more depth. We don't need to rely on just the highly rated guys because our low rated guys are outperforming their rankings. That's how I took it.
Although the fact that Mike Shaw is performing below his ranking somewhat mitigates this point.
Burn red shirts, boats, whatever this year and let all hell break loose in 2011. PLEASE.
Just need some of those bounces to go our way this year, or right the disastrous turnover ship.
Excellence is Good
Not only will we return 10 on offense, but we'll return 8 on defense (Mouton, Obi, and Woolfolk depart), with 2 of those being guys who have gone in and out of the starting line-up. We'll also return our 2 scholarship specialists in Gibbons and Hagerup.
For this reason, I think RR should get to stay for 2011 no matter what. See what he does with that team. If he can't win with 20/24 starters returning, then get rid of him. But no first year coach is going to come in and do any better.
is that we are competitive in every game and only win 6, then Rich gets booted, a new guy comes in and he wins 10 based on the talent Rodriguez molded.
Then everyone will say, "Oh, see, it was Rich Rodriguez."
It gives me night sweats.
Your biggest fear is that we are a year away from a 10 win season? That's not all that scary, actually.
A new coach would most likely start again trying to bring his players in -- while winning with the suberb talent Rich already has brought in -- and would decemate the foundation that Rich has in place.
What's better in the short term isn't always better in the long term.
Weis was a differen story. His first couple years at ND he played 10 crappy teams and 2 good ones every year, and went 10-2 before getting destroyed in a bowl. If Michigan wins 10 games in 2011, regardless of who the coach is, we will have to beat at least a few solid teams.
I'm not saying I wish for that to happen. But saying that RR gets fired and the new guys gets 10 wins in his first season isn't exactly my biggest fear either.
I'm willing to bet that if a new coach came in and won 10 games right off the bat at Michigan, he wouldn't have a tough time keeping any foundation in place. Chances are that means he's a pretty good coach too.
I'm a fan of Michigan first, and RR second. Again, I'm not wishing for RR to get the boot. But this is far from worst case scenario as well.
Michigan will almost certainly take a quarterback every year from now until the sun explodes.
... that's only another two and a half years.
You don't have a lot of Mayan ancestry, do you?
Are you a park ranger at Yellowstone? Say hi to Yogi Bear for me.
There's more than 1 reason to be afraid of me. If you want to find out make the trip down here some time, I'll show you if you like. - the_big_house 500th
I have a feeling this class is going to fill the positions of needs with stars or sleepers soon to be stars! Can't wait to start the season and go blue!
I really like the targets we are looking at right now. They all seem to have Michigan as their leader and hopefully they end up with us.
that Michigan was strongly linked to either Byrd or Shuler.
my (middling) Rutgers blog - http://www.onthebanks.com
Shuler's father posts on the RU Rivals site and is an admitted huge fan, draw your own conclusions.
Byrd's early leaders are RU and South Carolina.
my (middling) Rutgers blog - http://www.onthebanks.com
Michigan hasn't even offered Byrd, so I don't get that one, either.
If the team signs 14 out of 18 available scholerships on offense and already has two defensive back commitments, that leaves only two other spots for defense. Not sure this is how it will play out in the end given the state of the d and the need for linebackers and d-line depth. Good overall analysis though.
"Anyone who isn't confused, really doesn't understand the situation." - Edward R. Murrow
I think the 14 includes the 3 verbals (2 DB's and Conway) which would leave 4. I could be reading it wrong though.
This thermos, this paddle ball bame, and this ash tray..................
and this lamp.
That's all I need.
I think Brian is saying that has thinks we will take 11 commitments on O (add up the numbers at each position). We have 14 available scholarships to give out, and he thinks that will be closer to 18 when it's all said and done.
11 out of 18 on offense isn't bad, with all the young talent we have on defense. If those 7 include 2 DB's, 3 LB's and 2 DT's, we're in business.
Approximate numbers by position:
* QB: 1
* RB: 2
* WR: 2
* Slot: 1
* TE: 1
* OL: 4
How about this instead?
* QB: 0
* RB: 1
* WR: 2
* Slot: 0
* TE: 1
* OL: 4
That would, I think, leave 7 with the verbals that we have. 2 DT's 2 DE's and 3 LB's would seem to be a good combination for the rest of the class.
This thermos, this paddle ball bame, and this ash tray..................
and this lamp.
That's all I need.
Never ever thought I would say this, but Michigan athletics are slipping into irrelevance.
Why?
Is it the economic whammy that the shortsighted auto industry dropped all over the state?
Is it PCB's that made the best fishing in the word (as in lake trout, whitefish and perch) something that pregnant women have to avoid?
Was it being a work release program for West Virginia coaching felons?
Was it Bob Ufer's passing?
Do Michigander's eat too much Domino's pizza?
Try to think it through and get beyond the current morass. Michigan Wolverine mean ass weasel tenacity must return. Wish I knew the solution.


# == Walk-on?
Is Grady not on a football scholarship?