I hope we can land one of the LB! It sounds like Hart is going to wait to see what kind of season UM has. I hope we get 8 wins, then Hart may sign! A winning record and bowl bid may sway some other higher rated recruits to sign after the season!
Wednesday Recruitin' 6-16-10
With camps and unofficial visits in full swing, news is coming in fast and furious. Check out the all-time updates on the 2011 Michigan Football Recruiting Board.
KY LB Lamar Dawson (at right) plans to visit Michigan this summer, he told ThaRinger.com:
Dawson has a few visits scheduled this summer and will also showcase his skills on the national stage in July. “I’m just going to visit a couple places. I’m gonna go to Florida, Tennessee, Michigan, Illinois and I might go to Arkansas. I got invited to this Gridiron Kings by ESPN. That’s in July, it’s a 7-on-7 camp.”
Michigan is currently outside his top four, which consists of Kentucky, USC, Louisville, and Florida. However, the Wolverines have a chance to make up ground when he hits campus. Box of M.E.S.S. also talked to Dawson, and he's not down on Michigan for the subpar record the past couple years:
Michigan was overall 5-7-0 and 1-7-0 in their conference, could last years record affect your decision or will you give them an opportunity no matter what?
Dawson: I’m going to give them a chance because they have the most wins in NCAA history so they know how to win all they need is the right players to do it.
Vaught's Views also provides some recruiting fluff on Dawson, mostly related to Kentucky's attempts to keep him in-state.
VA LB Curtis Grant plans to visit Michigan in August. He also gives Tom a brief rundown of his game:
"I'm going to try to work on everything as a player. One of my strengths is being able to read and attack. I also think I need to be the leader on the field. I call the plays, and keep the team motivated, so that's important. I really see myself as that kind of player at the next level, too. I like being the leader," he told me.
He's a highly-regarded prospect, and a visit is a good sign.
OH LB Sean Duggan visited Ann Arbor recently, and he came away enthused, as he tells Tom. Michigan is now in his top 3.
Michigan makes the top 5 of VA LB/DE Corey Marshall, but Tennessee and Virginia Tech seem to have the edge.
PA LB Armstead Williams holds a Michigan offer and plans to visit at the end of this month.
There Shall Be Only One (Quarterback)
It seems as though this is starting to become a weekly feature, at least until Michigan lands their quarterback in the class of 2011. With only one spot available at the position, and very few offers out, it's worth keeping an eye on.
A couple shakeups in the past week then, as we bid Happy Trails to FL QB Jerrard Randall, who has committed to Oregon. No word on whether teammates and fellow Michigan offerees FL S Jonathan Aiken and FL WR Curt Evans are likely to follow.
I was going to write a long segment about how Randall's commitment could have a positive effect on Michigan's recruitment of AZ QB Brett Hundley—who had been favoring the Ducks—but he eliminated Michigan yesterday.
VA QB Marquise Williams has accelerated his decision timetable ($, info in header). Since he won't get the chance to visit Michigan before that commitment, it looks like the Wolverines may be on the outside looking in.
So where are we now? OH QB Cardale Jones is the only quarterback prospect still out there who is holding an offer. This makes it much more likely that FL QB Kevin Sousa (seen at right) eventually lands that coveted letter from Rich Rodriguez. In fact, I suspect the coaching staff may be holding off because they think he'd immediately jump on it, leaving them out of luck with the prospects they like a little more. He continues to rack up mid-level offers, and Colorado State is the latest. His skill set sounds very good for Michigan's system. Though he's a project, Michigan has time to let him develop behind Forcier, Robinson, and Gardner.
Additional Happy Trails-ing.
FL WR Ja'Juan Story, who had previously seemed pretty enthusiastic about Michigan, has eliminated the Wolverines in his most recent cut.
SC WR Charone Peake committed to Clemson.
Happy Trails to NJ OL Shane Mertz, who committed to Northwestern.
Happy Trails, WI DT Donte Phillips. Committed to Indiana. He was squarely in the "sad josh" category, so his coming off the board is not a big negative.
Happy Trails, FL S Jabari Gorman. He has narrowed his list to a final three: Alabama, Miami, and Ohio State ($, info in header).
OH WR Devin Smith recently picked up an Ohio State offer, so we could be bidding him adieu soon. For now, he remains on the board.
New Offers, Enthusiastic Recruits
OH DE/DT/OL Jack Miller visited Michigan a couple days ago, and managed to head out of Ann Arbor with an offer in hand ($, info in header). Michigan likes him on offensive line, which is where I'd had him projected on the recruiting board. His offer list is actually much more impressive than you'd expect, given his rankings:
Miller estimates his scholarship offer total to stand at between 20 and 25. His list includes Michigan State, Boston College, Illinois, Northwestern, Pitt, North Carolina, West Virginia, Stanford, Louisville and Syracuse.
Big East and ACC aren't exactly SEC, Big... uh... 10 or Pac... 11, but significantly more impressive than MAC. Jamie Mac of Just Cover turned me on to Miller a while back, including some Toledo INSIDERZ information:
I am sure you are on top of things, but the Toledo grapevine is buzzing that Jake Miller, a OT/DE recruit from Toledo St John's will be getting a Michigan offer pretty much any day now. He'll probably get an OSU offer shortly thereafter.
I have no idea if he's leaning in any direction, but he [has said] that a Michigan offer would be a game changer for him in the recruiting process.
Should we be on commitment watch? Tom also interviewed Miller:
JACK: [I]t's safe to say that Michigan and Boston College are my top two... I have the offers I want, so it's time to decide. I'm really going to thin it out this week, and I'll hopefully have the decision made by the end of the week.
Commitment watch indeed. Miller should either be a Wolverine or an Eagle by the end of the week. There's also more in Tom's post about his connection to another Wolverine target from Ohio.
In other "Recently Offered and Michigan Probably Holds a Healthy Lead" news, MI LB Ed Davis heard the good news from Rich Rodriguez over the weekend ($, info in header), and he has Michigan atop his list. He may not commit immediately, but conventional wisdom has him joining the Maize and Blue. He was one of the more impressive prospects at the Michigan Football Showcase.
[Ed: Davis attends Detroit Southeastern, a school that Michigan has had extreme difficulty recruiting of late. With the departure of Archie Collins to be a Michigan State video coordinator, Southeastern looks like it will be friendlier in the future.]
Michigan has offered IN OL Nick Martin ($, info in header).
Chris Rock (Still) Goes Blue
The Columbus media has finally gotten around to covering OH DE Chris Rock's commitment to Michigan:
"Chris is excited," Stallions coach Ryan Wiggins said. "He ended up with 20-plus BCS offers and he just felt very comfortable with Michigan. We have a player there and our football community is pretty tight-knit, so I think Patrick helped recruit him there."
Wiggins also talked briefly about what Chris brings to the team:
Rock has impressed as a defensive end and a tight end in his time at DeSales but may bulk up to the point where he could see time on the interior of the D-line at the collegiate level.
"I think he's a versatile enough kid that he can do a lot of things," Wiggins explained. "That's one of the reasons he's so good. I think the question will be how much bigger he'll get. That'll be up to the guys at the next level." ...
"He's big and he's very athletic for his size," Wiggins said of the 6-foot-5 Rock. "That's the biggest thing. I think he's a fast learner, too. He plays fundamentally sound and he's coachable."
If Rock is healthy this season, he could rocket up the rankings.
The recruitment of FL RB Demetrius Hart takes another turn, as he now plans to wait until January to make a commitment.
A couple different sources evaluate FL WR Curt "Spiffy" Evans. First, the Miami Herald:
From the first time he handled the ball at the youth football level at Northeast Hollywood, there was little doubt that this was going to be a future standout on the gridiron.
Speed, athletic ability and a knack of reading defenses has provided this quality football player an opportunity to get noticed.
After starting his career at Hollywood South Broward, his decision to attend Chaminade-Madonna has worked out as college coaches have had the chance to watch him catch balls and lead the team on offense, and now as he heads toward his final year, look for him to play defensive back and fill a void at running back.
...and newly-formed Minnesota blog I'm In Love With A Fringe Bowl Team:
Curt can make cuts on a dime and showcases outstanding body control to not only make difficult catches in traffic, diving and stretching for poorly thrown balls, but he also makes lethal jump cuts that make him a nightmare to bring down in the open field...
In route running, Evans closes the gap on the zone defender quickly and makes a fast, fluid break to get open. Gets up the seam in a hurry and makes the tough over-the-shoulder catch look easy.
As noted above, his teammate Jerrard Randall committed to Oregon, so the package deal is off the table. He won't be at Michigan's camp, but hopes to visit at some point this summer.
MI WR Jermal Hosley, a prospect at the slot position has received his first offer, from Ball State (free on Scout). He's hoping to re-schedule a camp visit to Michigan.
IL OL Rafe Kiely attended Michigan's Elite Camp, and followed it up with an impressive performance at a Chicago Under Armour Combine:
"I thought I did extremely well at Michigan and that carried over today," said Kiely, who carries a 4.2 GPA. "There's a lot of competition out there for scholarships and I'm looking to prove myself worthy this summer by attending the camps and combines."
"I really liked Rafe Kiely," [Under Armour O-line Coach Mike] Barry said. "He's got what it takes to be a solid guard at the D-I level. Rafe moves well, he competes his tail off and he's extremely coachable."
He hasn't been offered yet, but keep an eye out for him.
IL DE James Adeyanju holds a Michigan offer, but he currently favors Illinois, Arizona, Boston College, Nebraska, and Wisconsin.
PA CB Kyshoen Jarrett finally got the Penn State offer he was waiting for, but that doesn't mean he's going to commit to the Nittany Lions any time soon:
There won't a be rush to make a decision. Jarrett plans on taking his allotment of five official visits and going from there.
"I've been hearing a lot of people who are very protective, a lot of guidance, saying commit before the season," Jarrett said. "I do want to take my officials though out of the top five that I have by then and honestly I'm just going to pray on it. Hopefully whatever happens happens and I get my answer."
I get the strong vibe that whatever happens will indeed happen, so Jarrett will get his wish.
Tom interviewed MD ATH Brandon Phelps:
TOM: You said most schools are recruiting you for defense. Which schools are recruiting you the hardest right now?
BRANDON: Probably UCLA, Virginia, Michigan, Maryland, and Penn State...
TOM: Where does Michigan fit into that? Are they getting a visit?
BRANDON: Oh yeah, I'm definitely going to try to get up there; they're on my list. Growing up I really liked Braylon Edwards, and I watched them on TV, so I've been following ever since. My coach said the Big House is unbelievable, because he's been there for a game. He told me that whenever I visit, he's coming with me.
Michigan is looking at Phelps as a safety or slot receiver.
For updates on NC LB Kris Frost (camping this weekend), FL OL James Elliott, and FL Slot Prince Holloway, check out Tom's Monday update. If you want a full list of visitors to this weekend's camp, Tom has that covered as well.
One 2012 note: keep an eye on MI OL Kevin Darcy. The teammate of Wolverine freshman Austin White impressed at a Chicago combine.
Good Job on the article, Im really psyched about Curtis Grant. I think He knows we are in need of a beast LB and i think he fits that spot, he may be considered a long shot but i personally think we have a good shot. I'm sad about Marquise williams not taking the visit and hurting our chances landing him, but we could get Cardale jones or Kevin Sousa. Looks good on LB and OL which is actually awesome. Good job Tom.
we could get Cardale jones
You don't need to keep worrying about this. Jones is not coming here.
The recruitment of FL RB Demetrius Hart takes another turn, as he now plans to wait until January to make a commitment.
I'm alright with this. The article states that he will decide between M, Auburn, and Alabama. Assuming M has the season I think it will, I'd be surprised if he doesn't end up Blue. Especially when he is saying things like this:
"I prefer an offense that gets you in space and lets you run around the corner," he said.
As always, Tim....great work putting this together and keeping us informed.
The Miller kid is probably coming here. WOTS in Toledo is that the Michigan offer was the one he coveted the most and the one that would change his recruiting strategy from his perspective.
Otherwise, I cant add anything else.
Under 2.5 commits. Just like the Wolrd Cup soccer. Everything UNDER 2.5 goals
I just dont think we're going to see much action this summer. I foresee a lot more commits in late October through the end of the calendar year once we're en route to an 8-9 win season.
Michigan was overall 5-7-0 and 1-7-0 in their conference, could last years record affect your decision or will you give them an opportunity no matter what?
What is this, 1995? Do they realize that ties are impossible?
If we can get Sousa, and also Gilmore, Pat Conway (The Great Creatore), W.C. Handy to come to town on the same historic day, i will feel something akin to an electric thrill i once felt as a child.
music man reference - anyone? hello? the musical with robert preston and shirley jones?
other than that there's trouble in River City, but what I do know is that Sousa at M could lead to some awesome Monty Python Flying Circus music at halftime or in videos.
76 trombones in the big parade (or something like that).
I saw the Music Man on Broadway, Eric McCormack (Will from Will and Grace) was the lead. He even played the trombone, very well in fact.
seen so many 3 star recruits being recruited by Michigan.
MSU video coordiator role ... from a Michigan perspective, perhaps one of the more important Dantonio recruits this year, no? If Coach D could only persuade Ted Ginn Sr. to take the equipment manager job ...
Forgive me if I am wong, but I thought Kris Frost said a while back that he was bringing Marquise Williams with him when he camps?
You may be right, but I don't think I said that in any Wednesday Recruitin' posts. The only visit I recall for Williams was the Michigan State game official visit (which is now unlikely to happen, of course).
are that even if/when he commits elsewhere that he still takes the official visit to the MSU game. Why not travel with your good buddy to see the big house on someone else's dime?
Anything can happen if he visits.
At the sametime, I am interested to see how Sousa develops in his senior year. I read from a poster on scout that knows Fla. recruits pretty well that Sousa is a very hard worker, has a great combination of size and speed but he is just still very raw. He will have pleanty of time to develop with our depth chart at QB.
I agree on Sousa, and that's the main reason I want to see him as the QB in the class (assuming Williams doesn't work out). He's only played a year or two of football to this point.
What do we prefer?
1. Lloyd who'd outrecruit most everyone with his pro style factory, then play conservative, never outcoach anyone, and basically say "I'll out talent you because I've outrecruited you," and thus typically lose to equal/superior talent teams with better coaches.
2. RichRod who's not outrecruiting anyone, with his spread, and basically saying "I'll out coach you and win once I have event 3 star level depth at all positions?"
The wear and tear of the last two years is starting to show on the recruiting trail this year. Yes I know we only have room for a small class, but no one can doubt we have sunk considerably as a talent destination since the pro style factory days.
This upcoming season is enormous on so many levels. RichRod's job - our brutal schedule bodes ill for RichRod if he goes 6-6 or worse. 7-5 or better and he should be OK. Also, recruiting. We simply can't go another year of utter mediocrity or it may echo on our recruiting for years, this year appearing to be the first such echo.
Dear God please give us some good luck just this one year. Bless GRob with the wisdom to solve the Big 10 offenses, and our young QBs the wisdom to solve Big 10 defenses, oh, and ND and UCONN's too...
I don't know where to start with this.
It's not like Rich isn't trying to get top talent, he just hasn't been able to thanks to the whole 8-16 thing. It's not like he only wants to recruit 3-stars.
Let's not even take into account that his 2 full recruiting classes were ranked #8 and #20 by Rivals, which means he's actually out-recruiting the vast, vast majority of BCS-conference teams.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is you're completely wrong.
Tim it's your blog and I bleed as much blue as everyone here, but all I'm guilty of is exaggerating a little after that downer of a recruiting update. I love RichRod, and have defended him to anyone/everyone who wants to get into it. RichRod had two strong recruiting classes and I was just as pleased as you. But I was speaking to this recruiting year, which is shaping up very poorly so far relative to the Michigan standard I grew accustomed to over the last three decades of following UM. While yeah, the world knows this is a small class in terms of spots, is my concern that poor performance is potentially beginning to impact recruiting "completely wrong" as you say? No, in fact it's pretty obvious RR needs to start winning, not only for himself, but because it will help him defend UM's record as a top recruiting destination.
My comments about Lloyd are entirely true with regard to his last several years as a coach. Every formidable team faced, we usually lost or barely squeaked a lucky win - Oregon, Penn State, Ohio State, Texas, USC. Who did we beat? Just Penn State and barely. Two games summed it up for me:
1. USC Rose Bowl where after the game USC players joked "Same ole Michigan, we pretty much knew what they were goign to do." due to Lloyd's inability to offer any diversity to his team's offering.
2. Oregon where Lloyd and staff were so severely outcoached, that that game alone may quite possibly explain why Martin became so enamored with bringing an imaginative, spread attack coach.
Say what you must but I'll stick to my guns that over his last several years, Lloyd would usually get outcoached when the talent was equal or better. His early years? Yes, he was a good coach. It just seems the game passed him by.
Finally, my observation that we've gone from a team with traditionally better talent, that, in Lloyd's last years would outtalent but not outcoach, to a team without better talent, who must now outcoach, has some accuracy to it.
Hey if this site is only about us UM fans only making positive comments and not speaking our true minds, let me know and I'll bail, but while you guys bag on me, do know, I love RR, I defend him to the world, and I root for UM as much as anyone here. GO BLUE.
It is way too early to begin worrying about this recruiting class. Because we only have 14-17ish spots available, we are focusing more on quality defensive guys while trying to fill dire needs on the OL. If the team can play well enough to squash much of the negativity surrounding the program, we are looking at a potentially great class this year. Time will tell......
I prefer #2.
Bro, just go to the beach.
Stop worrying about high school kids.
We're still recruiting better than anyone not named OSU in the Big 10. Jeebus, your heart is in the right place, but maybe you need a June, July, August break from the Wolverines or something.
was 18-9 in his career versus top 10 teams, and 44-27 against the Top 25. Most of this success was front loaded in early to mid career, and you can complain about his teams underperforming against lesser talent, which obviously they did at times. But I don't see how anyone could say with a straight face he would "typically lose" to teams with equal / superior talent and coaching. The record doesn't bear that out.
You are right. I really just meant Lloyd's last 5 or so years. His "decline" so to speak. I will agree his early years he was a great coach.
I don't care what his name is, as long as he wins football games.
As for now . . . I'd take Lloyd. But if Rodriguez starts winning, I'll take him, too.
Lloyd 122 WINS 40 losses 75.3win %. the man clearly had no fucking clue how to coach.
All this Lloyd bashing is getting real old.
I dunno what you're looking at but RR has been recruiting just as well if not better than LC. RR has recruited players who can run. The fact that RR has been able to reel in talents despite the fact that the on the field result is dismal is amazing. Imagine once Michigan starts winning under RR(and they will), Michigan will become a recruiting machine alas USC or Florida where they consistently reel in 4*-5* talents. It's the matter of keeping RR for the long run.
takes time. Michigan Fans are not used this kind of thing. Michigan is shifting from a pro-style offense to the Spread Offense. Is a something that takes time. I think RR is readjusting (adjusting) too. Coaching in the Big 10 is no joke. It is not the Big East. I think he is finding that out now.
The Michigan Nation needs to be patient. I don't want to be like ND, searching for "the guy". Then firing him to find "the guy" again.
Continuity at Michigan is a necessity. Bo is resting in peace. Lloyd Carr is retired. Rich Roderiguez is Michigan's coach. Stop complaining. You can't do anything about it anyway.
UM is in year three in this transition, if this team goes 5-7 or 6-6 or worse, I'll lead the "dump the coach" chant.
Michigan will win again consistently. RR will be Michigan's coach for some time. The rebuilding of the Wolverines is almost done.
Is Michigan on the O Lineman Holts from Indianapolis? Seems very highly rated at a huge need area for us and is fairly local.......seems like we should be all over this kid.
Also, is Hart still planning on enrolling early?
Pretty sure Holts dropped UM a while back.
Guess so, thanks
Holts dropped Michigan.
AFAIK, Hart is still planning to enroll early. That at least was the case, and I haven't heard differently.
He's now saying he might not commit until January or February. I think he's just saying stuff to get reporters to leave him alone, and will still commit (and enroll) early.
For the record, it's not just Archie who is out at Southeastern - it's pretty much wholesale changes. The head coach (English) is gone, and the entire staff was told they have to reapply for their jobs, and it's almost guaranteed that some of them won't be back.
Do you know the story behind the changes? HC forced out or did he take another job?
I think he resigned because of health issues, and the rest of the changes are a result of Detroit Public Schools being....Detroit Public Schools. Not 100% sure though.
somehwere that it had to do with illegal recruiting however I have no idea if that is true or not.
If anyone knows that this is true or untrue feel free to confirm or refute respectively.
This year we are doing very well with that department and I wish we would offer Sousa soon.
If there is one position I'm OK with blanking this year, it's QB. I know RR likes a QB every year, but I'd be cool without taking one this year.
Dee says he is pushing back his time table, and I think that's good. I would rather have a player have plenty of time to think over everything, feel where the are most comfortable, and be 100% sure and locked into a school before they commit. I would rather get a commit later than a soft commit early who is still looking around. These guys shouldn't be rushed into making this choice, it's a big one. If we get Dee, I'd like him to enroll earlier, but I'd like him to know for sure this is where he wants to be before he did that. Hopefully we are still at the top of his list after a good season.
Zoltan signs with the patriots!
no question, recruiting needs to pick up immensely if Michigan expects to play with the big boys. teams like OSU and Bama are tough as nails in the trenches. they have top talent backing up top talent that sits for their first 2 years.
i understand why recruiting is suffering right now, it's not a surprise. Michigan's depth killed them going into 2008, and coupled with the transition process, Michigan has had a rough couple seasons with bad records. no doubt negative recruiting has hurt Michigan in various ways as well.
Michigan isnt winning their state as easily as they used to. Michigan isnt competing for top Ohio kids like always. Michigan isnt getting into PA as easily as years past, etc.
im still with RR though. i understand that Michigan was a sophomore QB and 2 offensive injuries from 6 or 7 wins last season and we're not even talking negatively right now. thats including the fact that we've seen such a battered defensive roster. not making excuses here. what i do know based off those facts is that RR simply needs a boost in terms of talent and experience to get some tangible improvement.
Your right were not receuitng Ohio and Penn like we use to. And not even Michigan like we use to, but we are making a big push in Florida for their top talent. We will dominte the state when we start winning and dantonio stumbles which he is bound to do.
I really want Marquise Williams, But If we don't land him I would be really happy with Sousa or Jones, but realistically we would land Sousa when he's offered. Sousa is really talented and only has been playing Fotball for a short amount of time. If he'd played football longer he'd be a highly rated QB guarantee. Can't wait till Sousa gets his offer if Marquise Wiliams doesn't commit to us.
Gotta get to good bowl games to get 4 Star guys to come our way. Its even more cliche to say that we gotta get more of the top players in the state as well. Makes me nervous when guys we ink have MAC offers.
I am not, and I assume (since he lives in Arizona) that Tom is not either. I'll round up the information that comes out of it in next week's recruiting roundup.
I wouldn't be surprised if Michigan got a commit sometime shortly after the camp, but it would mostly be coincidence, as a couple kids who seem to be close to committing happen to be attending the camp.
sorry, just deleted a useless comment
Funny how the Freep and internet trolls love to bag on RR about his character yet to a man, a lot of the recruits and the parents interviewed all say that Michigan's staff was the staff most honest with them during their recruitment.
Committed to Stanford as expected.