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By Tim — December 9th, 2009 at 12:24 PM — 53 comments
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All updates can be seen on the 2010 Michigan Recruiting board.

Ray Vinopal Goes Blue

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For a defensive back commit, most Michigan fans weren't too excited about it (ironic, since many were complaining about the mental deficiencies of Michigan's DBs this year), but OH S Ray Vinopal has pledged his word to become a Michigan Wolverine. The 1st-Team All-Ohio selection and State Champion doesn't worry about the haters, though, as he told mgoblog's Tom Van Haaren:

Ray Vinopal - "I read what people say about me, I'm going to work my a** off to prove everyone of them wrong. I'm not scared."

Ray Vinopal - "I've been an all state sprinter in Ohio, so I'm not slow. I know what I can do, and we're going to turn it around."

Vinopal has combine-reported 5-10 height and 4.56 speed, for those who were questioning the accuracy of those numbers. He also comes from a traditionally-power football program that pumps out a number of D-1 prospects every year. Hopefully, Ray has success at Michigan, and helps open a pipeline into Cardinal Mooney.

furmansad.jpgJosh Furman

MD LB/S Josh Furman still plans to announce his final college decision at the Maryland Crab Bowl on December 19th. He has narrowed his choices down to Michigan and Virginia Tech, and has already informed both schoolswhat his final decision will be. The recent rumblings from all parties say that Michigan is the likely choice. If Michigan is the choice, the fact that he nearly threw out his Michigan offer without even opening the envelope will be quite ironic indeed:

After his junior season, Maryland and West Virginia had extended scholarship offers. Then, last February, Dunlap was leafing through a pile of recruiting mail for Furman and tossed aside several form letters from schools that are typically sent to jog a recruit's attention. One of them was from Michigan, but Dunlap had a second thought and picked it out of the garbage.

"Then I read it," Dunlap said, "and when I got to the part where it said, 'full athletic scholarship,' I ran down the hall to tell him about it."

Furman's first major offer from a school outside of the region set off a frenzy.

Furman has been a highly-productive running back this year, though he left the State Championship game (which his team ultimately won) with a knee injury early in the contest. Video of that game can be seen here. As far as the injury goes, "smileyworm" on Scout is Furman's coach and he reports that there's nothing to worry about:

He is 100% ok.  Heard something pop during a run and it felt funny afterwards.  Was held out as a precaution.  The knee didn't even swell.  Will still play in the crab bowl on the 19th.

Will Carvin Waver?

I brought this up in yesterday's Friday Night Lights post, but it's worth examining in depth: LA S commit Carvin Johnson may be starting to pick up from interest from the hometown LSU Tigers.

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Former Tennessee running backs coach Frank Wilson was offered a position on the LSU coaching staff last week, which he accepted yesterday, since just about every Tennessee assistant except Monte Kiffin is looking to get the hell out of Knoxville. The interesting part comes from the first article, however:

Having seen Wilson Thursday, he played coy and smiled. When I asked him about LSU and suggested the possible move to LSU to him, he simply said, “you think?” and “we’ll see.” Wilson was wearing a Tennessee pullover. Frank was in town at Archbishop Rummel High School, taking a hard look at Carvin Johnson, who has verbally committed to Michigan. He likes the 6’1, 190 pound senior safety and may recruit him wherever he coaches next year.

One thing Wilson did comment on was the fact that there are so many good players in Louisiana and that’s why he, Tennessee, Alabama, Ole Miss and other SEC powers spend so much time in the state. He also opined that while LSU has gotten most of those outstanding home-grown players, they have either missed on or not recruited others, including the likes of Rummel’s Johnson.

No. We found him first. You didn't want him. OURS OURS OURS.

LSU's recruitment of Johnson means two main things:

1) Michigan found a sleeper before any other big schools got on him, and now other teams see what the Wolverines unearthed first. LSU doesn't exactly suffer from a lack of DB talent, so if they want him, you know this kid's a player. There are seemingly two factions warring it out in the Michigan interwebs, one of which says to trust Rodriguez's recruiting strategy. and the other of which says "omg that guy wasn't even rated." Score one for group the former.

2) The Wolverines might just have a battle on their hands to keep Carvin Johnson in the class. It's always hard to turn down the hometown team. When said hometown team is 3 years removed from a national title, and Michigan is struggling through a rebuilding process, that's just all the more incentive to reconsider (except that Michigan can offer mountains of playing time).

Keep an eye on this situation, and hopefully the coaches will be able to keep Carvin blue.

All-Star Update

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PA CB commit Cullen Christian was added to the Army All-American Bowl roster last week, bringing the total number of Michigan commits to... 2. Christian joins WI P commit Will Hagerup on the East roster.

"I'm going to represent Michigan down there just like I'm going to represent Penn Hills," he said. "I'm going to go all out and try to make my team look good."

OH S Latwan Anderson and PA DT Sharrif Floyd are longshots for Michigan on the East roster.

CA S Tony Jefferson, MI CB Dior Mathis, and CA S Sean Parker are longshots for Michigan on the West roster.

In the other big All-Star contest, MI QB commit Devin Gardner is the only Wolverine selected to the ESPNU Under Armour game. No other prospects selected to that game are strongly considering Michigan at this time.

OH OL Christian Pace will enroll early, as will OH WR Jerald Robinson and MI RB Austin White (all links $, info in header). MI WR Jeremy Jackson is participating in the Hawaii-Mainland All-Star game, then enrolling early at Michigan.

Etc.

CA S Sean Parker enjoyed his Michigan visit, and CA RB Lucky Radley may be considering the Wolverines. Happy trails, CA S Dietrich Riley. FL OL Torrian Wilson may be back on the table for Michigan ($, info in header). CA S Tony Jefferson and CA WR Kenny Stills will both announce on December 18. Neither is expected to pick Michigan. Latwan Anderson might be considering Michigan again.

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December 9th, 2009 at 12:37 PM | Vinopal (Score:1)
hypomodern
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...looks like he's about ready to kick some ass in that photo. Sounds like he and Carvin are great finds!

(Waves hand at LSU... this is not the safety you're looking for...)

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December 9th, 2009 at 4:11 PM | Vinopal glare looks like he (Score:1)
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Vinopal glare looks like he just ate my future childrens' faces.

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December 9th, 2009 at 12:41 PM | I hope we keep Carvin (Score:1)
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I hate losing recruits, and like you said, we found him first.

They mostly come at night... mostly.

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December 9th, 2009 at 1:21 PM | If he defects to LSU I may (Score:1)
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If he defects to LSU I may need to be talked down off a ledge.

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December 9th, 2009 at 1:24 PM | We need a restraining order (Score:1)
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We need a restraining order put on Jai Eugene! STAT!

Meeechingan Football 2011:  Now featuring ManBall™

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December 9th, 2009 at 12:42 PM | If Vinopal is as tough and (Score:1)
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If Vinopal is as tough and hard-working as he sounds, then I am very glad to have him. Hope to see good things from him.

And Carvin, please stick with us. D:

 

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December 9th, 2009 at 12:48 PM | Perhaps Mr. Carvin Johnson (Score:1)
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needs a "hostess."

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December 9th, 2009 at 12:54 PM | Thanks (Score:1)
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Well, that brightened my day. But, I am calling BS. From the background, this pic was obviously taken at the plaze at Mich Stadium, but I think that we all know that there are no girls this hot in AA, so you must have photoshopped it.

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December 9th, 2009 at 1:04 PM | Oh (Score:1)
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reeeeeeeeealllly?

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December 9th, 2009 at 1:24 PM | she's so hot that even the (Score:1)
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she's so hot that even the girl in pic 13 can't help but to stare at her ass

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December 9th, 2009 at 3:17 PM | 1st (Score:1)
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Keep her away from Tiger and can we get the girl from football camp last year. She was off the charts.

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December 9th, 2009 at 1:22 PM | Can we at least get him one (Score:1)
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Can we at least get him one that doesn't have a war going on between her canines and incisors?

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December 9th, 2009 at 2:08 PM | Isn't there more than one good looking cheerleader at Michigan? (Score:1)
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That's the basketball cheerleader that was on camera all of last year during B10 Network games. I swear during one game she got more time than Manny.

Spreadsheet Count So Far:

Correct:  5        Incorrect: 3-  Zeke Pike, Eric Magnuson, Kiel

 

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December 9th, 2009 at 7:21 PM | careful slugger (Score:1)
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i ran into her at a bar down here. sweet... just really nice girl and dating a football player.

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December 9th, 2009 at 12:50 PM | All-Stars (Score:1)
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I think that RR is doing a good job of filling specific areas of need in this class, and I certainly don't think that the star system is everything, but am I the only one who is a bit disappointed that we only have 3 players in the 2 All-Star games (and one of them is a punter). Again, not criticizing our recruiting (as I recognize how hard it is to recruit when you are in the midst of a massive rebuilding process, have 3-9 and 5-7 seasons and are the target of media johad), but it is just somewhat disappointing.

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December 9th, 2009 at 12:53 PM | There is nothing worse than (Score:1)
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being the target of a media johad.

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December 9th, 2009 at 12:55 PM | oops (Score:1)
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Good catch.

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December 9th, 2009 at 12:57 PM | A Media Johad (Score:1)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johad

Terrifying.

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December 9th, 2009 at 1:44 PM | Zoltan... (Score:1)
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Zoltan was a punter. Zoltan played in the Army All American Bowl. That worked out okay, considering he is also the emperor of space.

"delusions of granger"

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December 9th, 2009 at 12:56 PM | Vinopal (Score:1)
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runs electronically timed 4.41.

Furman also run electronically timed 4.36.

Both times are legit as it come.

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December 9th, 2009 at 1:02 PM | Source? (Score:1)
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Source?

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December 9th, 2009 at 1:36 PM | Source (Score:1)
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Vinopal:
http://mgoblog.com/diaries/brief-interview-ray-vinopal

Furman:
Scout article unless you subscribe to it, you can't see it but it did say that he runs 4.36 electronic time

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December 9th, 2009 at 2:05 PM | Vinopal (Score:1)
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said in an interview with Sam Webb that is 4.56 time was from his freshman year and that his current time is an electronic 4.41.

I am skeptical myself as those times are quite fast but Vinopal seems to be very smart so I doubt he is misinformed and I am not about to call him a liar.

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December 9th, 2009 at 2:17 PM | As that picture indicates...I (Score:1)
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As that picture indicates...I would not call him a liar either as he would "call you over" and perform the CLOTHESLINE FROM HELL on you.

www.postgameheroes.com

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December 9th, 2009 at 12:57 PM | Recruiting board (Score:1)
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Tim - I hate to nit-pick when you present us with so much awesome recruiting information, but whenever I go to the 2010 recruiting board after you tell me its been updated I feel like it still has a ton of out-dated information. This week for example Vinopal isn't even on the committed list. And some of the inconsistencies in how even the committed or likely recruits are handled seems like it still hasn't been fully cleaned up.

Then again, when your team isn't in a bowl and is in the middle of an uncomfortable rebuilding process these types of recruiting summaries are what we are forced to obsess over. Ugh..... Thanks for the update!

AC-1997

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December 9th, 2009 at 2:06 PM | I usually update the (Score:1)
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I usually update the recruiting board the day after the update is published.

Yeastbound and Down

Great Lax State

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December 9th, 2009 at 1:02 PM | Carvin is the guy I am most (Score:1)
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Carvin is the guy I am most excited about in the recruiting class. Every single time we've gotten a new snippet on him it has strengthened my belief that he is going to be a fantastic player. I really hope he still comes here as I look forward to cheering him on for many Saturdays.

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December 9th, 2009 at 1:05 PM | liking the safeties more (Score:1)
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This post just made me feel better about both diamond-in-the-rough safety commits. Tim, thanks for the soul-soothing.

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December 9th, 2009 at 1:10 PM | I'm happy about getting Vinopal (Score:1)
Crime Reporter
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I want guys who will come in here and work hard on the field and in the classroom. It seems like more recruits these days automatically think they are entitled to playing time and a free ride.

They mostly come at night... mostly.

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December 9th, 2009 at 1:10 PM | Quick, somebody email that pic of the UM cheerleader (Score:1)
Don
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to Marcus “You don’t want to go to a college where they ain’t pretty” Lattimore—that'll cinch the deal for us. As an added benefit, the cost of sales will be quite low—RR won't have to go visit him or spend any time on UM's academic opportunities.


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December 9th, 2009 at 1:25 PM | Having attended UM and now do (Score:1)
loosekanen
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Having attended UM and now spending some time tutoring at the University of Arizona, I'm sad to say that if coeds are the recruit's main interest, unless the recruit likes studious Koreans, we're behind the 8-ball indeed.

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December 9th, 2009 at 4:33 PM | I hate to agree with you, and (Score:1)
bronxblue
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I hate to agree with you, and my wife is a UM graduate and all, but I doubt any Big 10 school will ever be able to rely on its, um, coed "talent" to sway a recruit.

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December 9th, 2009 at 1:13 PM | looks like he's about ready to kick some ass in that photo. (Score:1)
Don
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?? Maybe it's just me and my old-fashioned ways, but I think it's kind of hard to look ass-kickin' when you're holding hands with a bunch of guys.


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December 9th, 2009 at 2:08 PM | I believe that it is (Score:1)
BiaBiakabutuka21
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a very intense game of red rover.

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December 9th, 2009 at 1:14 PM | Hankins (Score:1)
kruser
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Anything to report on Hankins?

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December 9th, 2009 at 2:10 PM | Marvin Robinson is UA All American (Score:1)
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Add Marvin Robinson to your list of All Americans:

http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1019699

Meeechingan Football 2011:  Now featuring ManBall™

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December 9th, 2009 at 2:19 PM | ...CA S Sean Parker are (Score:1)
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...CA S Sean Parker are longshots for Michigan...

He does have an Oregon visit (and USC, but a poster claimed he wants out of CA) upcoming which is a little scary...but "longshot"? Didn't he say we were his best visit so far?

www.postgameheroes.com

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December 9th, 2009 at 2:20 PM | Wait ... (Score:1)
STW P. Brabbs
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We're "longshots" for Sharrif Floyd still? Why on earth are you teasing me like this? Is there really any indication he's still considering Michigan?

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December 10th, 2009 at 5:18 PM | "So you're telling me there's (Score:1)
Captain
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"So you're telling me there's a chance..."

Colors That Float

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December 9th, 2009 at 3:09 PM | Gardner? (Score:1)
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How is Joe Boisture an Army-All American? He didn't have good stats, a good season, or a good showing at the elite 11 yet he is in the Army game over Gardner? Strange...

When you reach the end of your rope tie a knot and hold on...

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December 9th, 2009 at 3:12 PM | Boisture isn't exactly in the (Score:1)
braylon8500
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Boisture isn't exactly in the Army game "over" Gardner. Gardner accepted his invite to the Under Armour game a while back.

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December 9th, 2009 at 4:31 PM | I agree - the multitude of (Score:1)
bronxblue
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I agree - the multitude of all-star games makes it difficult to really distinguish between kids. I will say that Boisture is one of the weirder stories this year - he was consistently knocked by people who saw him play, yet he was still touted as some elite prospect. It will be interesting to see how he does in East Lansing in a couple of years.

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December 9th, 2009 at 3:35 PM | Vinopal (Score:1)
Section 1
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Since Ray is reading these boards, I just want to remind him that I am the guy that posed the comparison with Wisconsin's super-frosh Chris Borland, another Ohio 2-star per Scout, much like Ray.

So, there's no need for Ray to run me down within 4.41 seconds and crush my head.

Pronounciation:
Is it 'vin-OH-pull'?
Or 'VIN-o-pal'?

"I poured my heart and soul into that [book] for three years...for them to trash the book really hurt."  ~ A teary-eyed Michael Rosenberg, to Larry Foote; September 4, 2009.  Three and Out, 183-184.

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December 9th, 2009 at 3:42 PM | Safeties (Score:1)
mgovictors23
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I have to admit when Ray and Carvin first committed I was skeptical. The last couple posts though have really been encouraging though and I think they will be good.

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December 9th, 2009 at 4:30 PM | There are seemingly two (Score:1)
mejunglechop
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There are seemingly two factions warring it out in the Michigan interwebs, one of which says to trust Rodriguez's recruiting strategy. and the other of which says "omg that guy wasn't even rated." Score one for group the former.

"Trust the coaches" isn't an evaluative strategy, in fact, ignoring independent evaluations like recruiting rankings and offer lists in favor of this slogan is fundamentally anti-evaluative. To then say that interest from an independent program confirms this mantra is mindbogglingly convoluted.

Galileo was also chastised.

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December 9th, 2009 at 5:35 PM | I get your point. I took (Score:1)
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I get your point. I took Tim's comment as more of an "I told you so" deal rather than confirmation of an "evaluative strategy." As in this fictional conversation between the two factions:

Carvin Johnson Commits

Trust the Coaches: Woo hoo!
OMG 2 star: OMG! 2 star! No offer list!
TtC: Trust the coaches.
OMG2S: WTF! Why is RR filling up this class with 2-stars instead of waiting to see how the 4-stars shake out?!
TtC: If they thought they could, they would (HT: Chitown). Trust the coaches.

LSU Offers Carvin Johnson

TtC: See? Trust the coaches. I told you so.

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December 9th, 2009 at 6:25 PM | Don't people only say "I told (Score:1)
mejunglechop
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Don't people only say "I told you so" when they've been vindicated?

For TtC to reject the relevant heuristics when they don't say what they want and then embrace them when they do requires TtC to hold two contradictory beliefs at the same time.

Galileo was also chastised.

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December 9th, 2009 at 8:15 PM | It wouldn't be contradictory (Score:1)
El Jeffe
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It wouldn't be contradictory if the TtC faction isn't considering those data in their initial reactions. The added star or offer or whatever could just be gravy, as in, "not only was I stoked when Johnson (or whoever) committed, I'm extra stoked now that school X also wants him! BOOM, external confirmation of something I was already sure of!"

Maybe that's the sentiment I was shooting for more than "I told you so."

But believe me, I understand your point. I'm not sure it's any great revelation that people on the internets can hold two contradictory beliefs at the same time, but I get your point.

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December 9th, 2009 at 5:33 PM | That is a sweet hooded (Score:1)
MGoBlue22
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That is a sweet hooded sweatshirt that Vinopal is wearing. Anybody know where I can get one of those?

 

Class of '02 and still "All In".

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December 9th, 2009 at 7:46 PM | I want him on the line of (Score:1)
BostonWolverine
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I want him on the line of scrimmage. Don't care about his size. I just want him to stare everyone down.

I kind of want to have a group of defensive players that are all total badasses, so that I can give them a nickname from Adventures in Babysitting.

Don't fuck with the Lords of Hell.

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