Demetrius Hart wants to put the Hart back in Michigan. Look for him to try to wear a number very close to 20, like 20.
at least it's not just us?
This should be a mondo update, since there wasn't a true recruiting post last week. Brace yourself, and if you need some context, check out the 2010 Michigan Recruiting Board.
ESPN provides one of the fluffiest Devin Gardner articles humanly possible:
Putting a football in Devin Gardner's hands is like handing a master artist a paint brush and an empty canvas.
It's your standard "lots of words with no information"-type article, other than mentioning that Gardner intends to enroll early at Michigan. Devin's gone back-and-forth about whether he wants to come in for the winter semester, but it appears his on-again, off-again relationship with that plan is in the on-again phase.
Rich Rodriguez has mentioned that he doesn't want to see high schoolers miss out on their opportunity to play winter and spring sports in high school, but since Gardner is participating in the ESPNU/Under Armour All-American Bowl, a (terrible) MHSAA rule prevents him from playing sports afterward. He wouldn't be missing out on much other than the prom.
(Gardner photo by Tom Hauck for ESPN.com.)
In other potential early-enrolling athletes, I brought this up in yesterday's Friday Night Lights post, but TX RB Stephen Hopkins also plans to enroll early. That brings the unofficial list to the following:
That's always subject to change. Back to Hopkins for a moment, though, as MGoReader Phil Sampson fills me in that the big game against Southlake Carroll should be available for listening on the internet at http://www.kkgmam.com/. The game takes place Friday at 7:30 CDT. Phil warns that if you tune in early, you'll be subjected to some bad music.
MN OL Seantrel Henderson was officially selected to the Army All-American Bowl, which is probably the least shocking moment in human history. No mention of Michigan in the recruiting snippets, for what it's worth. That's a somewhat regular occurrence, though insider-y rumblings still say that he likes Michigan. For what it's worth, his friend MN Ath JD Pride committed to Minnesota, but says he won't pressure Seantrel to join him.
Elsewhere in Official Army Selections, WI P Commit Will Hagerup got the treatment on Thursday. Rivals AMP was there:
For the record, Hagerup mentions that he'll arrive in Ann Arbor over the summer, which is a good sign that he has no intention of enrolling early.
AZ S Marquis Flowers plans to visit Michigan "later this month." That will be for the Penn State game, obviously. More on Penn State visits in next week's recruiting update, of course.
CA S Sean Parker visited Cal for the USC game, and the only other visit he's sure about is Michigan. He's planning to wait out a decision, so if Michigan has a good season, there's definitely a chance to land him. Rivals insists that he has not committed to USC ($, info in header). "Hey, that thing that nobody believes? It's not true!"
Michigan continues to lead for PA CB/S Cullen Christian, despite his shiny new offer from Ohio State. He plans to visit Ann Arbor for the November 21st contest against the Buckeyes, and decide a couple days after. That timeline looks good for Michigan. JC Shurburtt has more:
"I am going to decide Nov. 24 during a press conference at my high school," Christian said. "Right now, my top two schools are Michigan and West Virginia. Every school has a shot, though, and things could change when I take my official visits."
"They were just my favorite team growing up as a kid," Christian said. "They gave me my first offer. They recruit me the hardest, and I just love Michigan."
Again, sounds like the Wolverines are entrenched as his leader. As for his teammate, PA S Brandon Ifill, things don't look nearly as rosy from a Michigan perspective. He favors Maryland and Pitt ($, info in header), and Rutgers is recruiting him the hardest. It's fair to say that Michigan would prefer to only get Christian out of this duo.
Most analysts assume that FL LB Christian Jones is a lock to Florida State, since he's a legacy and his brother plays there. Despite Michigan falling off his radar lately, the Wolverines are still in the mix for an official visit ($, info in header). ESPN confirms that Michigan is one of the contenders for an official visit. I'll believe it when I see it, since he's been completely forgotten about by Michigan fans.
FL CB Tony Grimes (who still favors Michigan, Ole Miss, and Wisconsin) will be taking his Michigan visit for the Ohio State game at the end of November. That's shaping up to be a blockbuster recruiting weekend, with CA RB/LB Anthony Barr visiting as well.
Michigan is "still alive" with GA DT Mike Thornton ($, info in header), and he's considering the Wolverines for one of his official visits ($, info in header). Sam Webb elaborates in the Detroit News:
Those skills caught the attention of Michigan assistant Jay Hopson last summer. The Wolverines' Peach State recruiter wasted little time making very clear the magnitude of his program's interest.
"He told me they were looking for a great defensive tackle and they found that in me," Thornton recalled. "They needed to see my academic work and they offered a day later, actually." ...
"I talked to coach Hopson last week," Thornton said. "I haven't watched them play yet, but I've been hearing good things about them. I'm still going to get up there (on a visit). I just don't know when yet. "
Talk about defensive tackles and whatnot.
PA DT Shariff Floyd probably won't visit North Carolina with one of his officials, and Michigan is one of the options to fill that slot, along with Ohio State. I would predict that Michigan gets that visit for the Ohio State game if the Wolverines continue their winning ways, and he hasn't decided on a school by that time. He remains a longshot.
MN DT Beau Allen is down to five finalists, all of whom will receive official visits. He's already been to Wisconsin, and he's still setting up trips to Notre Dame, Stanford, Minnesota, and Michigan.
It looks like Michigan is on the outside looking in for FL OT Tyler Moore. He planned to announce a decision "very soon," and made it in favor of Nebraska. Brian, his dad, points out that a verbal commitment might not be a final decision, so he might not drop completely off the radar when he commits to one of those schools.
Sam Webb's "Dandy Dozen" - the top twelve instate recruits in the 2011 class in no particular order - are presented for your perusal, with relevant recruiting comments from the article following each recruit.
DeAnthony Arnett, WR, Saginaw, 6-0, 170, 4.51 - Offers from Michigan, Michigan State, Central Michigan and Tennessee already have come through for the talented youngster. Aside from taking a few visits to some of aforementioned schools, Arnett has made recruiting a back-burner issue.
Arnett is widely considered to be a Michigan lean, though he doesn't have any public favorites. When I talked to him in August, he said he was going to take his time with the recruiting process.
Justice Hayes, RB, Grand Blanc, 5-11, 185, 4.5 - Allen Trieu: "He grew up a Michigan State fan, but Northwestern is recruiting him hard and his teammate Tony Jones is committed there. Then you have Michigan, who fits his style of play and he has had good visits to. He is wide open right now."
Talky. Hayes recently spoke to Rivals' MichiganPreps, where he gave a similar picture of his recruitment, adding that he has one offer, from Iowa. It also included video:
...and back to the Webb article:
Delonte Hollowell, CB, Detroit Cass Tech, 5-9, 165, 4.5 - "Central Michigan and Michigan offered me," added Hollowell. "Iowa, Illinois, Michigan State -- a lot of schools have been sending mail. I'm going to try to go to an Iowa game and maybe an Illinois and Michigan State game. Michigan State has sent mail and I talked to the defensive backs coach, Coach (Harlan) Barnett."
Don't be too frightened by that last comment. Michigan is the leader for Hollowell, though "because I don't have any other offers except for Central Michigan" doesn't imply that the Wolverines have an iron grip.
Lawrence Thomas, LB, Detroit Renaissance, 6-4, 237, 4.65 - Trieu: "Michigan State is the team to beat, but I get the feeling a lot of schools from all over are about to turn up the heat on him."
Michigan recently extended an offer to Thomas ($, info in header), but are definitely playing from behind.
Willie Beavers, OT, Southfield Lathrup, 6-5, 327, 5.1
Bryan Bell, OT, Walled Lake Central, 6-5, 290, 5.0
Ashton Gaines, WR, Detroit Crockett, 5-11, 170, 4.6
Jamal Hosley, WR, Highland Park, 5-9, 160, 4.4
Taiwan Jones, LB/WR, Anchor Bay, 6-4, 200, 4.7
Willie Snead, WR, Muskegon Heights, 6-0, 180, 4.5
Dwight Trammer, LB, Inkster, 6-1, 225, 4.7
Anthony Zettel, OG, West Branch Ogemaw Heights, 6-3, 255, 4.9
I believe Bell grew up a Michigan fan, though the early word is that he hasn't heard a whole lot from the Wolverines. Willie Snead plays quarterback in high school, but projects as a WR/DB. Trammer is a teammate of Devin Gardner, and likes Michigan (Michigan might like him, too: I overheard Wolverines QB coach Rod Smith asking what number he was at a recent Inkster game). Anthony Zettel is considered a mortal lock to the maize and blue if they see him worthy of an offer.
Now that I've given you most of the interesting information from the article, I feel obligated to encourage you to check it out. Seriously, it's really good stuff.
FL RB Demetrius Hart is going to be a top prospect in the Sunshine State next year, probably ringing in around 4 stars. He's also considered a Michigan lock, though I have no idea why:
"Of course, they are my top team," Hart said. "I don't think I will commit now, but I will commit later to Michigan."
Nope, I haven't the slightest clue. Hart took in a Michigan game last year, and has set a visit for this season as well. I'd bet one of my kidneys that it's for either the Penn State or the Ohio State game, both of which are shaping up to be blockbuster recruiting events. Win plz. Hart is also a candidate for Orlando Sentinel Offensive Player of the Year, probably because he does stuff like this.
Yeah, it's totally time for a 2011 recruiting board. Look for it next week.
As mentioned in last week's recruiting update, Michigan offered CA WR Kenny Stills. "Offered" DE RB Jamaal Jackson will decide after his senior season. CA CB Joshua Shaw will no longer visit Michigan. The Wolverines are pushing for a visit from SC CB John Fulton.
Demetrius Hart wants to put the Hart back in Michigan. Look for him to try to wear a number very close to 20, like 20.
He can have it after Michael Shaw leaves Michigan in 2011.
Unless he changes numbers before then. Maybe he'll give Hart the number anyways. I want my MGoHandle to be relevant once again.
also has to fight Jack Kennedy for it.
For tl;dr folks, skip to the bold/italics below.
Here's the likely returning players for 2010 on offense:
|6||Je'Ron Stokes||WR||FR RS|
|7||Terrence Robinson||SR||SO RS|
|8||Nick Sheridan||QB||SR 5th|
|10||Jeremy Gallon||SR||FR RS|
|12||Roy Roundtree||SR||SO RS|
|15||Michael Cox||RB||SO RS|
|17||David Cone||QB||SR 5th|
|19||Kelvin Grady||SR||JR RS|
|21||Junior Hemingway||WR||JR RS|
|28||Fitzgerald Toussaint||RB||FR RS|
|34||Brendan Gibbons||PK||FR RS|
|36||Johnny Childers||FB||FR RS|
|43||Bryan Wright||PK||SR 5th|
|44||Mark Moundros||FB||SR 5th|
|50||David Molk||OL||JR RS|
|52||Stephen Schilling||OL||SR 5th|
|56||Ricky Barnum||OL||SO RS|
|57||Elliott Mealer||OL||SO RS|
|61||Zac Ciullo||OL||JR RS|
|63||Rocko Khoury||OL||SO RS|
|65||Patrick Omameh||OL||SO RS|
|66||George Morales||LS||SO RS|
|70||Bryant Nowicki||OL||SR 5th|
|72||Mark Huyge||OL||JR RS|
|74||John Ferrara||OL||SR 5th|
|75||Michael Schofield||OL||FR RS|
|76||Quinton Washington||OL||FR RS|
|77||Taylor Lewan||OL||FR RS|
|79||Perry Dorrestein||OL||SR 5th|
|84||Cameron Gordon||WR||FR RS|
|88||Brandon Moore||TE||SO RS|
So discounting 1 and the retired numbers, that leaves open:
4, 13, 14, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 35, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 45, 46 and 49 available for running back numbers next year.
In 2011, we lose Sheridan, Cone, James Rogers, Bryan Wright, Moundros, Schilling, Nowicki, Ferrara, Dorrestein and Martell Webb, with perhaps Koger, Hemingway and Stonum as (marginally, except w/ Koger) early flight risks. Still, not the hardest senior offensive class to stomach losing, eh?
Of relevant skill position numbers, imagine 8, 17, 18, 43 and 44 returning to the mix if/when Hart II arrives on campus.
Der point: this is a very long way of saying there is not going to be a great selection of cool running back numbers by the time Hart enrolls.
I imagine 4, 13, 14, and a smattering 20s and 30s will be taken by the 2010 class, especially like 23 and 26. So for a running back in 2011, aside from high-20s (and barring transfers, which is not exactly out-of-the-question here), I think the most likely numero for a young tailback in 2011 would be 8.
We already have a ton of good young guys:
RVB (who could go back to DE)
The Hulk (MM who is only a true soph)
Segasse (who is a Sophomore?)
BWC (who is only a freshman)
Talbott (coming in next year)
To me this seems like a ton of depth for a team that is only going to be playing 1 guy most of the team and MAYBE 2.
I know that a lot of people have been concerned with DT recruting but I think that S/CB/LB (even though we took tons the past 2 years at LB and lots of our S project to LB). Thoughts?
The issue is that DT is a position where depth is required. Good teams will rotate DTs, using at least the 2 deep every game. They get tired due to their size and physicality of the position so having fresh legs switch in is important. We also want to have back-ups in case of injury.
You are banking on Campbell (who by most accounts has a long way to go) and Talbott--a three star recruit who hasn't even played his senior year of high school--not to mention Sagesse--who has accomplished exactly nothing in his UM career?
Wow. And I've not seen the dominance out of Martin that many project.
Not saying your optimism isn't warranted--just that UM needs to get some defensive line help and soon. Both for talent and depth sake.
and Talbott--a three star recruit who hasn't even played his senior year of high school
I believe you are referring to Terrence, who is the corner. AFAIK, Terry has played every game this season, though I haven't seen much in the way of updates for him in Friday Night Lights.
Watson (Soph RS)
Lalota (T freshman w/RS)
Heninger (who is looking better maybe serviceable as a back-up?)
WC (T Freshman)
That is 7 scholly guys with 1 walk-on for 3 spots and you could even add Roh in who COULD replace BG as the pass rushing DE (if he can bulk up a bit more). 2 graduate after next year which would leave our line after graduation as:
Lalota (RS JR)
Talbott (spelling players Soph)
Maybe Roh in place of Graham?
Now if we add more guys into this years class that will just give us more sophomores to use then which unless we can get some elite level DTs is not a good use of a scholarship and should be used elsewhere to shore up other holes.
So again even in 2 years we have 7 guys without walk-ons who are going to be on the DL... These guys are young and you have to let those guys develop.
Sagesse is a junior, for the record.
Still, that's 5 guys for three spots, one of whom is undersized or over-tall, one of whom is a career backup who will be gone anyway before most 2010 prospects ever see the field, one of whom is a true freshman, and one of whom hasn't even hit campus.
That does not sound like an optimal depth chart.
Are you counting benchwarmer as a position?
MM is a good starter and is young and will be entrenched there for the next 2 years. So really there is only 1 spot for DTs and that is the spot currently occupied by RVB who will be here for another year and then we will have 2 young freshman/sophomores behind him not to mention the 2011 class.
This isn't to say that I wouldn't like to take an elite level DT like Floyd and get rid of some of the WRs/RBs but I'd rather keep our current class than add a big reach DT who will never see the field and just take up a scholly.
***EDIT*** Oh you were just talking about the line in general... well then I'll also throw in Lolata who will hopefully be a very very good one.
***EDIT #2*** I also only mentioned DT I never said anything about DE we need an elite pass rushing DE to replace BG and don't have that on the team currently unless we move Roh to DE
It's LaLota, not Lolata.
It's Sagesse, not Segasse.
It's respect, to spell the names correct of the players you support.
Listen I have a hard last name and I know that and when someone miss-pronounces/miss-spells my name I don't really get bent out of shape.
Again though my bad for the incorrectness.
What would be the ideal situation? What situation is the best for our team? From a fan's standpoint, do we want to see Devin redshirted? Or play? If he does redshirt, what are our options at QB is Tate isn't playing well, or gets injured. Does anybody see Denard progressing to the point where he could be a serviceable back up qb? If he does redshirt, does anybody know how many times the number 1 quarterback has redshirted in recent history? I think there are good points for either side of the arguement. Obviously if Tate takes a big step forward in the off season, then he will be ahead of where a true freshman would. This will be especially true if Devin doesn't enroll early. So as Michigan fans, what do we want to see Devin do? If we had a backup other than denard, they could move denard to a different position where he could make more plays and create. Let me know what you guys think we should hope for Devin to do.
Vince Young redshirted.
Devin Gardner should redshirt. If he doesn't, you can expect worse quarterbacking performances in 2010 than what we saw in Iowa Saturday night.
Why exactly would Gardner's redshirting have any impact on our QBs getting worse? All of our QBs will still improve over the offseason and be better. If he doesn't red shirt it will probably be because he's just that good and RR thinks he will impact our team positively.
Denard will get atleast two years at qb before being considered for a position change. I would think if Devin is good enough to play then RR will play him. If not we have seen RR is not afraid to sit big name recruits.
As Brian has mentioned, ideally you would redshirt him both to allow him to grow into the college game and so that there are 2 years of separation between him and Tate/Denard. That is assuming of course that Denard becomes a serviceable QB and that Tate keeps his fragile little self in one piece. So I think the best scenario is a redshirt since that would mean that Tate is still alive, Denard has improved, and Devin will get a full three years of preparation before taking over as a redshirt Junior.
Also, I think it is important to keep in mind that Tate has very much been the exception to the "Freshmen QBs are not good" rule.
Devin will probably redshirt...but lets be honest. If he enrolls early, he would most likely be a more serviceable quarterback than denard. Devin is a much better passer than denard is right now. Denard isn't a 'real' quarterback. I like him, and i think he'll be a good college player, he just isn't the number 1 qb recruit. This is all moot considering we have Tate. As long as Tate is healthy I think Devin redshirts. Although, if Tate gets some sort of serious injury where he is going to be out 6 or 7 games...Then?.. Then i'm not so sure. What is the thought if Tate would be out the majority of a season? Would they burn his redshirt?
I wouldn't say it's Devin that will be missing out on prom. It's the young ladies of Inkster that are missing out.
OOOOOORRRR go to college and get it from a different girl every night?
Explain to me how that is missing out?
***EDIT*** I'm confused by what exactly is wrong with this post? Is anything I'm saying inaccurate? Prom is one of the most over-rated experiences in high school and in college you can find a sorority girl and go to her formal which is prom college style.
So again How is he missing out I would have gladly given up my last semester of high school to go up to school a semester early.
This was negged because your response to Laser Wolf had almost nothing to do with his post except for both contained the word "prom."
On just the article. Since there probably shouldn't be two different things in the thread talking about DG and whether or not he wants/should/pros and cons of prom.
Which I mean really if we are negging for little shit like that then the point system is out of control.
Or maybe people are negging you because you're super-annoying, often off-topic, and confrontational. Just E-guess.
Stop talking about the damn points. It's the number one reason you lose them. Other than being douchey.
This always seems to come up with those that enroll early, but I doubt their respective high schools BAN them from prom, sure with out-of-state recruits maybe they can't fly back, but how hard would it be for Devin to drive back to Inkster from Ann Arbor?
But, yes, if anyone were to lose from this situation I suppose it would be the ladies of Inkster, missing out on a night with the "master artist."
What does ($, info in header) mean? I'm assuming that it means that either we think the guy is money or we've offered him a scholarship (or both!) and I can click on his name in the header for more blogs on him. Am I getting this right or am I missing something?
It means that you have to pay money to read the full article (site w/ membership), but the key information can be gleaned from the article's free preview.
($, info in header) means that the linked article is behind a pay wall, but, the pertinent information can be found in the short header that you can view without a subscription.
EDIT - Damn, 1 minute too slow.
"I'm assuming that it means that either we think the guy is money"
that was awesome :D Had to up vote you there. Welcome to the interwebs my friend!
It has Derrick Bryant as an M lead, but he committed to UCLA like a month ago, and I'm pretty sure he's firm. Also, TJ Stripling committed to Georgia, and pretty sure LaTwan Anderson is not considering us.
The recruiting board doesn't get updated as often as maybe it should. I used to look at it frequently until I realized that it rarely changed.
I updated the recruiting board after last week's update, but there are a couple things I must have overlooked. Thanks for the heads up.
Today's Wednesday Recruitin' should be updated on the board within a couple hours or so.
How about some more defense recruits! As you can see through the season we can score, but the defense is killing us!
You would be a valuable addition! Have you thought about applying for a job as a recruiting advisor?
(yes this post was super dick-ish)
Demetrius Hart's connection to Michigan is through Ricardo Miller. They were former teammates at Dr. Phillips HS in Orlando, and as we know, Ricardo has done his fair share of recruiting for Michigan. I believe Michigan has been high on the kid for quite some time, and was one of his first offers. I believe he plans to visit for OSU and should commit then, if not sometime before. There were thoughts he was going to commit over the summer. This kid is BLUE all the way.
By signing day the class should come together. If the past couple years are any idication we will get a couple surprises. A win against Penn St and OSU could go a long way with the recruits that will be in town for those games.
I went to the Pioneer vs Inkster game earlier this fall, and besides Devin Gardner, Trammer was one of the other Inkster Vikings who passed the look test. He had a few huge hits, and displays good lateral speed..Comparison..Jonas Mouton..
If Sagesse hasn't done anything, then Mike Martin hasn't, either. Seriously...what do you expect a defensive tackle to "accomplish"? Is he a complete non-factor if he hasn't been an All-American or won the Heisman? Sagesse is pretty good, actually.
Also, I forget who said it, but both Terry and Terrence Talbott have missed time due to injury this season. However, Terry (the DT) did play in the first few games.
Sagesse doesn't start and I never said anything negative about our D-Line. Are you confusing me with someone else because I said this:
"Is anyone else NOT concerned about DT recruiting". In sum WTF are you talking about?
And comparing Sagesse to Mike Martin is pretty stupid on your part one is a clear cut starter who has been a rock on the defensive side of the ball and the other is fighting for playing time.
***EDIT*** Seriously you mixed me up with King of Belch? Wow okay...
Yeah, I mixed you up with King of Belch. Sorry.
Anyway, comparing Sagesse to Martin is pretty apt. What has either "done" or "accomplished"? I'm not saying Sagesse and Martin are equal, but that Martin hasn't "accomplished" much beyond being a starter, and Sagesse has been his #1 backup.
You could say that for anyone that is starting and their back up. You could say that for BG and Heninger or anyone else.
My point was that we have 9ish guys on the roster for the d-line for next year with only 3 spots to play for. IMO that is good enough depth.
Why no mention of Alex Smith. From what I can tell from the Rivals Michigan page (I'm not a member) he is visiting for Penn State? Isn't that worth mentioning or do we have no shot at all of snagging him? Anyone have a complete list of recruits coming to the PSU game?
I would say Graham has accomplished more than Martin. Heininger didn't even "accomplish" a scholarship, so that's a big leap right there...