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Wednesday Presser Transcript 11-2-11: Brady Hoke

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News bullets and other important items:

  • Kovacs did everything during practice yesterday, should be good to go. [Ed: From what I've heard from various sources, Kovacs can play and wants to play, but the final word has to come from the trainers.]
  • Hoke is also hopeful that Lewan will be able play on Saturday.
  • Barnum is in the worst shape of the three.

Brady Hoke

from file

Opening remarks: “I thought we had a good practice yesterday, which is always positive. We’re playing a football team’s that a good football team. Plays well at home. I think they’re 59-12 or something over the last 10 years. We’ve got to do a good job with the environment and the communication on both sides of the ball. Play with great composure and play with poise and then play physical football.”

What do you remember about the venue that makes it so tough? “It’s just tight. The bench is tight. Probably similar to East Lansing but this even seems tighter. [The fans] are on top of you, which is good, and they’re fanatical about their team.”

Now that Carvin Johnson has left, are there other guys that will need to fill into that position? “Not really. We’ve had a number of guys -- when we started that’s probably one of the deepest slots we were at to be honest with you. I think with the progress that Blake’s made, I think that’s helped when we’re able to put Troy over there.”

(Denard says that Jeremy Gallon can dunk, too.)

Is Marvin Robinson in a position to play? “He’s got to be healthy to play.”

This is the second departure in two weeks. Is this a concern at all? “No.” Do you just chalk it up to regular attrition? “Happens in football.”

Will Kovacs play Saturday? “I hope so.” That’s not very definitive. “Well I hope he does.” Is there a percentage? “I don’t deal in percentages.” Did he practice yesterday? “Yeah.” Fully? “Yeah. He did a lot.”

Barnum and Lewan? “Barnum’s probably a guy who’s the furthest away. Taylor, I would hope he will play too.”

Is Ricky more week to week than day to day? “Yeah I hate to say that because he’s got such a great work ethic and everything that he does to get ready -- I would still say he’s day to day. There’s some guys who have mentality and toughness that can push through more and I see that more on him than I have on other guys in the past.”

What have you seen from Coker? “He’s physical. Number one he’s got very good definitive vision, and when he plants his foot and wants to get north and south, he gets north and south. I think he’s a physical runner. He’s 225, 230 pounds. He’s a bigger back. They do a nice job in what they do in blocking up front and zoning guys off, which helps. I think the progress that you see from the quarterback -- I think he is really playing well and getting them into the right plays and his accuracy that he has, so when you have that combination of being a good running football team and the play actions that come off the run because you’re successful, it puts you in some tough spots. You have to be disciplined in the back end in making sure you’re keying all the way through what you’re supposed to key to the end of the play.”

You said you like playing an early kickoff. Why is that? “I think it’s just like when you played pee-wee football or Pop Warner. You got up in the morning and run by the donut shop and get a donut and rode your bike to the game and your helmet was on and you went and played. I think it’s great. I think it’s the way football should be.”

(And then there’s some banter about donuts and whether Hoke eats before games and stuff. The team is provided glazed donuts before games. Hoke doesn't eat them. Sweet.)

You said there’s competition at punter? “What’d you think yesterday? How’d you think they both punted?” I brought my binoculars. I studied them. “You didn’t even watch.” They looked fine. “No, there is competition there, and I thought they both punted well, and moreso -- I’m not going to say anything’s ever easy, but when it’s just the snapper and the punter and then you put the whole thing together, I was pleased how they both hit the ball when we went live and had live rushes.”

Gibbons has been pretty consistent. Have you ever had a “forget the past” conversation with him? “Yeah. When we first got here. Kids change a little bit. Their mindset changes a little bit. Sometimes the coaching changes are good for some and not as good for others.”

Did you sense a point where he turned a corner? “You know, he was really consistent during the spring and then during the fall with what they did during the summer going up to the stadium, putting a little pressure on them and all those things. I’ve never doubted the kid because -- I want to clarify. I know nothing about placekicking. I couldn’t teach it. I know what to look for maybe if I watch a guy enough. Just like with punters. If I watch them enough. I’ve been real comfortable with how he’s handled the different situations we’ve put him in, how he’s gone out and worked everyday. There’s been competition, but he’s shown us on a daily basis that he’s got a good mindset. He’s got a good leg. All those things are positive. I rambled a little bit, but the kid has been beat up just like our quarterback. That’s not right. Kid’s a heck of a quarterback.”

What can you do to neutralize Coker? “You better get bodies to the ball. You have to tackle him. Man, you have to get 11 guys to the ball. You don’t want your safeties and corners making all the first hits. You want them to be cleanup guys, but you have to get bodies to the ball and get off blocks.”

What makes Jeremy Gallon such a good blocking wide receiver? “His heart. His intensity. His toughness. That’s all I can tell you. He’s got good feet, which helps because you can run your feet. When you run your feet in any position in this game, you can be pretty successful, and that’s what he does.”

Have you seen such a small receiver before be such a good blocker? “Oh probably. Probably have. I’ve seen a lot of receivers.”

Sounds like it bothers you when people get after Denard. “I get asked it all the time. When you get asked it all the time, obviously people are trying to get a make a story out of it. I’ll defend him forever. As a quarterback.”

Is the league more dominated by mobile quarterbacks, and has that changed a lot of the way offense and defense is played in the Big Ten? “Some of the spread has obviously opened the game a little more. If you’re not athletic enough in the perimeter or at linebacker -- and it’s really two things, you’re either really athletic in those positions, or you have four dominant guys up front that you can defend the run with six guys in the box or five guys in the box. I don’t know. Shoot it’s been a long time since I’ve been the league. There’s always been some guys that can move around a bit.” But not like this, right? Seems like almost every team has a mobile quarterback. “Well Northwestern … Nebraska and us in our league, our side.” Minnesota. “Yeah. We didn’t face him. Yeah.” Russell Wilson and Nathan Scheelhaase as well. “Yeah. But the people who are running the football and have a back are the people that are going to last.”

Do you feel more in your comfort zone defending against a pro style offense? “They get enough into some other formations that they are prostyle. It’s just fun to play Iowa because they’re well coached and fundamentals and techniques, you know. You love watching them on tape.”

Taylor Lewan had his first penalty last week. Last year he had quite a few. How do you change a player from that mentality? “It’s like anything else. You have a message and you’re consistent with it. You talk to him about it from an individual standpoint to a team standpoint. It really comes down to an accountability to your teammates, because any penalty that you have -- and the ones that drive you crazy are the ones that are before the ball’s snapped on either side of the ball -- but you’re hurting your teammates. We’re not in this to hurt our teammates. Most of the time championship teams don’t hurt themselves by having penalties. I think there’s a lot of conversation, there’s a lot of consistency and there’s a lot of accountability that guys, as they mature, understand for their teammates.”

Was there a simple message? Was it just, “Stop”? “No. It’s a conversation.”

(And then there was a question about Hoke, shorts, winter, and RARRR TOUGHNESS.)

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November 2nd, 2011 at 3:24 PM | Sigh of Relief (Score:1)
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 A sigh of relief for Kovacs being (seemingly) back.  Gordon and Woolfolk are servicable, but with a big back like Coker, I would feel a lot better knowing Kovacs is coming up to make that hit at that 2nd/3rd levels

"Slappin' the Bass" - Matt Vogrich (maybe)

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November 2nd, 2011 at 3:25 PM | "Kovacs did everything during (Score:0 Overrated)
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"Kovacs did everything during practice yesterday, should be good to go."

sounded more like hoke hoped he would be good to go, but was wishy washy and non commital about it.

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November 2nd, 2011 at 3:46 PM | My interpretation based on (Score:5 Normal)
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My interpretation based on some other info is that Kovacs can play and wants to play, but they're just waiting to hear what the trainers say. I'll make a note of it.

@Heiko25

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November 2nd, 2011 at 4:09 PM | awesome, didn't know you had (Score:0 Overrated)
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awesome, didn't know you had extra information when you made that note.  I just don't trust a word out of Hokes mouth about injuries this season.

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November 2nd, 2011 at 3:26 PM | Three and Out (Score:0 Trolling)
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I wonder if anyone will ask Hoke if he read or plans to read Three and Out.  I mean, its on everyone's mind and it would be interesting to see if he acknowledges the book and, even more so, if he plans to read it.  He has to have heard of the book and have an opinion on whether he wants to read it or not.  Although, I guess there's a good chance he could take offense at the question.  But its a relevant question, I think.

 

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November 2nd, 2011 at 3:33 PM | I bet Hoke doesn't GAF about (Score:4 Normal)
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I bet Hoke doesn't GAF about that book.  He probably has enough on his plate with coaching the team and recruiting right now.

"They will meet a dastardly fate here for that! There isn't a Michigan Man who wouldn't like go out and scalp those Buckeyes right now."

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November 2nd, 2011 at 10:02 PM | I think he will definitely (Score:1)
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I think he will definitely read it at some point after the summer but I do not think he will tell anyone that he will/is/has.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?

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November 2nd, 2011 at 3:34 PM | I don't think Heiko is brave (Score:4 Funny)
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I don't think Heiko is brave enough after the bubble screen question lol

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November 2nd, 2011 at 3:39 PM | would be a good question (Score:3 Normal)
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but the answer is likely to be predictible, i.e. 'I am all about these kids, these players.  The past is the past, can't be changed, etc.  We have ___ opportunities this season, got to focus on them.'  [note: my quotes]. I would agree with this sentiment.

 
 

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November 2nd, 2011 at 3:44 PM | Agreed (Score:0 Trolling)
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I agree.  It would be silly to ask the question now, while the season is still in progress.  But now is the time to ask, before it goes stale.  If I was a betting man, I'd bet that Hoke is going to read it sooner rather than later/never.

But maybe Heiko can save it to ask right after the bowl game . . . <hint, hint>

 

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November 2nd, 2011 at 3:46 PM | I'll bet he reads it post (Score:4 Normal)
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I'll bet he reads it post signing day.  Any coach at Michigan needs to read it simply because it helps explain the weird culture of the old guard we have around here.  An ancient weird tradition I find myself embracing despite being 26.

/wanders off to scream "Down In Front" at kids on the Diag

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November 2nd, 2011 at 11:47 PM | Don't you think Hoke, having (Score:4 Normal)
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Don't you think Hoke, having worked here from 1995-2003, would already know about the old guard?  I don't think he needs John U. Bacon to teach him about it.

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November 2nd, 2011 at 3:47 PM | I woud be interested in (Score:2 Normal)
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I would be interested in seeing his response to such a question purely for entertainment value.  I'm sure Hoke doesn't care one iota about that book and has no plans to read it. Frankly, I would be concerned if he did devote any attention to it. Hoke shouldn't care about that book.

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November 2nd, 2011 at 4:06 PM | I disagree, respectfully, of course (Score:-1 Overrated)
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I disagree.  Respectfully.  I think a head coach at any school that was involved in something like Michigan went through should care about the information in the book.  The information is fresh (as far as history goes), pertinent, and important for a new head coach to understand about the environment within which he is coaching.  I think Hoke should definitely "care" about the book.  That doesn't mean he should read it or not, but I'd have to question his intelligence if he said the information contained therein did not matter.

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November 2nd, 2011 at 4:21 PM | Hoke has his own relationship with the elements involved (Score:5 Normal)
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in the book.  Why would he want some journalist's take on a bunch of things like the hiring process he was personally involved in?

A book like this is only attractive to fans who don't know any of principals personally because it allows them to speculate on their characters and personalities and confirm or disaffirm their own views on these people.

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November 2nd, 2011 at 4:35 PM | Good point (Score:0 Trolling)
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You raise a good point re: Hoke being close enough and having enough inside information to not be interested in a somewhat outsider's take.  I can see that being the case.  I just think it'd be interesting to see his response to the question (kind of like FrankMurphy says above).

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November 2nd, 2011 at 3:50 PM | Profitgoblue's avatar (Score:3 Normal)
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I wonder if anyone will ask Profitgoblue why he changed his avatar.  I mean, its on everyone's mind and it would be interesting to see if he acknowledges changing his avatar and, even more so, if he plans to change it again.  He has to have an opinion on whether he wants to change it again or not.  Although, I guess there's a good chance he could take offense at the question.  But its a relevant question, I think.

In other words, Y U change ur avatar profit?

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November 2nd, 2011 at 4:02 PM | Hahahaha (Score:0 Trolling)
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Alas, my old avatar was a victim of Attack of the Malware 2011 (last week).  So I decided to go a different direction.  And since I was a fighter pilot (lie) and flew F-22s (lie), I figured this photo would make a proper avatar.  However, I cannot speak to whether I will make another change.  This one was not voluntary but I cannot predict the future.  Crazier things have happened.

See - it was a good question, relevant, and I did not take offense because it was smartly worded and presented.

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November 2nd, 2011 at 4:10 PM | It is an (Score:2 Insightful)
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"aviatar"!

 

 

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November 2nd, 2011 at 4:22 PM | Aviator Avatar (Score:2 Normal)
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I figured it was probably the Attack of the Malware. Somehow, my Cliff Klaven avatar survived. Must be all the alcohol that preserved it.

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November 2nd, 2011 at 4:03 PM | That's funny.  I didnt even (Score:3 Normal)
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That's funny.  I didnt even realize it was Profit until you said that - I've gotten to the point on the board where when I'm pushed for time (like now at work) I look at the Avatars first and then decide what I want to read based on who's writing. 

I didn't know who the "double plane guy" was yet so i didn't read his stuff......

 

 

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November 2nd, 2011 at 3:42 PM | I don't understand the asides (Score:4 Normal)
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I don't understand the asides about Gallon dunking.

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November 2nd, 2011 at 3:47 PM | posted from iPhone (Score:1)
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Tis a bit of humor. He's like five seven. I'm sure he does dunk though.

All in for some manball.

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November 2nd, 2011 at 4:02 PM | it's also placed at the "jump" (Score:2)
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So I think it's just Heiko expressing himself through the blog required format.

And if you are noticing it, it must be working.

 

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November 2nd, 2011 at 4:10 PM | ITS hard to tell (Score:2)
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but it seems like Hoke is either crabby about this stuff or has a very dry sense of humor, with all the back and forth about punters and Kovacs.

i will chalk it up to he enoys being obtuse

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November 2nd, 2011 at 4:10 PM | Anyone know what's Hoke's (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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Anyone know what's Hoke's record on the Road? I still don't fill confident we're playing on the Road. 

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November 2nd, 2011 at 4:11 PM | Hoke said any of you (Score:3 Normal)
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Hoke said any of you nitpicking every little thing about Denard can kiss his ass

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November 2nd, 2011 at 4:12 PM | Hoke's not sayin' one word (Score:1)
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Hoke's not sayin' one word about percentages.

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November 2nd, 2011 at 4:17 PM | But....but....but....in (Score:3 Normal)
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But....but....but....in regards to Kovacs I could have sworn, "It is supposed to be an MCL sprain, which means he can barely move his leg at the moment and will be out a few weeks. When the coaches say he's "questionable" for Iowa they're in all likelihood lying their boo-boos off." 

I must have Rip Van Winkled because it felt like just Monday Brian reported that.  But it must have been a few weeks ago - someone fill me in -  did we beat Iowa while I slept through Kovacs' recovery?

The swag is back. 

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November 2nd, 2011 at 5:25 PM | So you're saying Brian was wrong (Score:2 Normal)
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The team is provided glazed donuts before games. Hoke doesn't eat them.

And Hoke is, in fact, NOT getting paid in donuts by the University.

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November 2nd, 2011 at 6:01 PM | I love how Coach Hoke defends (Score:3 Normal)
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I love how Coach Hoke defends Denard to the end, and Gibbons too...which is consistent with how Coach Hoke never, ever, ever tosses any of his players under the bus in press conferences or interviews...not even a joke about anything.  Always supportive.  It would be great to play for a coach like that who always has your back.

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November 2nd, 2011 at 11:29 PM | Interesting... (Score:2 Normal)
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Gibbons has been pretty consistent. Have you ever had a “forget the past” conversation with him? “Yeah. When we first got here. Kids change a little bit. Their mindset changes a little bit. Sometimes the coaching changes are good for some and not as good for others.” 

For some reason I'm getting the same red flag that popped up when I read page 128 of Three and Out,

     "While his wife and kids waited for him in the little room down the hall, Raquel asked her mom, with wide-eyed desperation, if she could stay with with her friend, the daughter of assistant coach Tony Gibson, that night.

     "Yes, honey," she said.

     Rhett asked if he could stay with Tony's son Cody.

     "Yes."

     If Rita could have stayed with Coach Gibson's wife that night, she may have joined them.

     My wife grew up with a father with PTSD thanks to Vietnam, and while so far as I know he never laid a finger on any of them...She still went to bed with a golf club more often than not.  Not all abuse leaves a mark.

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November 3rd, 2011 at 12:11 AM | (No subject) (Score:1)
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I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.

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November 3rd, 2011 at 12:52 AM | Yes, I'm serious (Score:2 Insightful)
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     What exactly do YOU think Hoke is talking about in this quote?  Rodriguez's lack of impulse control was on display every Saturday in the fall.  Bacon's admission that his own children were afraid of him only reinforces the point.   

     That's another question I would have liked to ask Bacon.  Was Rodriguez dumb enough to  think that blowing up at 19 year old kids on the sidelines was somehow going to make them play BETTER, or did he just lack the impulse control to moderate his own behavior?

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November 3rd, 2011 at 10:12 AM | Serious Question (Score:1)
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Have you ever played a sport before?

Seriously, go back and read about Bo screaming at jim brandstatter or any of his other players. How about the meeting with his senior captain he didn't think was getting it done where all he did was yell at him and demean him.

I'm not saying that I always think that's the best way to get your point across but come on man, this is college football at a high level. Did you want RR to go to Gibbons, its ok son, here is some hot chocolate and a couple cookies. Now I know you missed the last 8 field goals you tried but its ok. Just relax over here, if you need anything I am here for you...

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November 3rd, 2011 at 11:05 AM | So let me get this straight... (Score:-1 Flamebait)
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So let me get this straight...

 

Because kids want to have sleepovers with friends...it's because of abuse? It's because their dad has impulse control issues?

 

Wow. Got it. Here I am thinking it's because they're kids who want to hangout with friends...come to find out, it was to runaway from domestic issues.

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November 3rd, 2011 at 11:11 AM | just wanted to have a sleepover... (Score:2 Normal)
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     "While his wife and kids waited for him in the little room down the hall, Raquel asked her mom, with wide-eyed desperation, if she could stay with with her friend, the daughter of assistant coach Tony Gibson, that night. 

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November 4th, 2011 at 2:55 AM | dude (Score:3 Normal)
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do you think that, maybe, just maybe...you're reading into it a little much?
kids are excited to have sleepovers.

ALL ABOARD THE A-TRAIN!!!!!

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November 4th, 2011 at 9:28 AM | Broken (Score:1 Normal)
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     My sarcasm meter is broken.  I gave you the benifit of the doubt and went with "funny".  Bacon is a smart guy.  His editors are smart guys.  He knew what he was implying.  No way he puts something like that out there for dramatic effect.  And I'm not trying to say Rodriguez beats his kids.  But it is implied that they have reason to fear him.  I'm sure everyone has their own definition of "abuse", and "In my day..." caveats still apply.

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November 11th, 2011 at 9:55 AM | Give it up. (Score:0 Flamebait)
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Allegations and assumptions should not be made up all willy nilly. You're opinion is far stretched and you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

...and there is no sarcasm meter there because I am dead serious.

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November 12th, 2011 at 9:51 AM | Neg me all you want... (Score:1)
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You're still wrong. You have no evidence of the claim you've made.

Feel free to provide some. If you do, I'd be very receptive to it.

But where have you even heard a rumor to back up this claim?

You misinterpreted one passage of a book. But have you heard this ANYWHERE else? If you have. Let's see it and maybe I'll see what you're talking about. But right now, you have no proof and it's disgusting to make that claim about someone.

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November 3rd, 2011 at 11:07 AM | Tired of this (Score:1)
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     I've had about enough of the "in my day" crap to last a lifetime.  I played football in high school, and yeah, I sucked at it.  My coach didn't run around breaking every object in the locker room after a loss. And if that worked for some coaches...It sure as hell didn't work for Rodriguez.

     I'm sure you're one of those guy who had their neck broken in fifteen places before being ritually castrated on the bottom of the pile too.  Before you finished the game and walked uphill both ways in your burlap sack back to your house with outdoor plumbing.

     Just because there are a lot of abusive coaches out there, that doesn't mean its right.  And it sure as hell doesn't mean its effective. 

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November 3rd, 2011 at 12:53 PM | Actually (Score:1)
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I played soccer in college just a couple years ago and you're kidding yourself if you don't think that alot of the best coaches act just like this, regardless of the sport. 

Go to any top level youth sporting event and I would say the majority of coaches behave just like that.

Do I think its the best way to do things? I don't actually, especially at the youth level I actually kind of despise it. My real point is that its not all that uncommon and that to jump from he yells at players to he abuses his family is a pretty big jump...

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November 3rd, 2011 at 1:16 PM | Point taken (Score:2 Normal)
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     My thought pattern actually flowed in the other direction, but I have obviously seen similar behaviour in other "respected" coaches--most notably Tom Izzo and Brian Kelly.

     I'm just going to throw this out there--but if someone had cared enough about Tate Forcier to put together a book about HIS time at Michigan...

     People would be wondering a little less about his actions, as well as the actions(or inactions as it were) of Lloyd Carr.

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November 3rd, 2011 at 5:47 PM | True, but (Score:1)
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I played college football a few years ago, it is true that coaches, even the most composed, often become raving lunatics when things go wrong.

But, towards ClearMindFullHart's original comment about impulse control, none of my coaches ever pulled a RichRod or Brian Kelly televised-public-sideline-lambasting of a player. We were lambasted behind closed doors. And let me tell you, that is a very important thing; to know that even when the coach wants to kill you, he has enough control not to do it in public.

That being said, even though I would like to see Rich Rod go on trial for the murder of Michigan football, I don't think it's fair to make allusions to him (potentially) abusing his family. Not even with tongue firmly in cheek. Not cool.

I don't know why this just popped into my mind (maybe the public humiliations on the sideline thing), but after having read Three and Out, either Bacon has totally ignored that little sideline spat that looked like players fighting their coaches, or that I must have missed it. I wish I could be more specific about the incident in question, but I've got some serious defense mechanisms up in my mind to protect me from remembering the Rich Rod years at any depth. Anyone know what I'm talking about/Bacon's not talking about?

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November 3rd, 2011 at 11:06 AM | Your "imposed" tag line (Score:1)
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And this picture are awesome together.

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