Wednesday Presser 10-25-17: Jay Harbaugh Comment Count

Adam Schnepp

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[Ed. A- I was too sick to make the trip in today, but thanks to 247’s Isaiah Hole I had video from which to transcribe.]

Karan’s [Higdon] been coming on really strong lately. Where have you seen him grow as the season progresses?

“He’s just—he’s running well, he’s running hard, decisively, violently at times. You see at the second level at times there were a couple against Indiana and a Power play to the left against Penn State where he lowered his shoulder against a safety at the second level. That’s who he is. The world’s gotten to see it a little bit more as the season’s gone on. Still looking to improve other parts of his game, as the rest of the group is.”

He was saying that that overtime touchdown against Indiana was kind of just a broken play. Can you explain along the lines of have you seen him be able to create more for himself?

“Yeah, I think that play is evidence that he’s created for himself. That particular play there was a fairly tough look to run the play against, not a desirable defense. He kept his wits about him and ended up bouncing into a big-time play.”

I think Jim said you went back and looked at the yards after contact in the Indiana game and you had 194 or something like that. Is this something you’re seeing in practice, too?

“You don’t see it as much in practice. You get to see kind of where those things would happen in terms of an angle at that second level of a guy coming to make a play but if you don’t tackle you don’t really see it. You could project: Okay, we’d run through this arm tackle or that one, but that’s a thing that’s pretty hard to gauge until you actually get into a game.”

[After THE JUMP: detailed analysis of Kareem Walker, the standard for pass protection, how a back is worked into the offense, and a bit on talk vs. action]

You said he always ran physical but is that something you guys have encouraged him to embrace more?

“Um, no. I mean, we encourage that for everybody. It’s just I’ve seen it lately. I think you’d see the same thing last year and the year before. Yes, it’s encouraged, but I don’t think it’s necessarily a new thing unique to this season.”

Kareem [Walker] had the one nice carry against Indiana. What’s it going to take to see more of him and what’s he got to do?

“Like everybody else, the amount a guy plays is going to be determined by the quality of his reps in practice or his reliability in practice and so moving forward, all things are kind of on the table for him and the other three guys that did get more carries.”

The one run that he did have, have you seen quite a bit of that in practice?

“Yeah, he’s coming along and he’s running the ball well. He’s a guy, like I said with Karan, he runs hard. There’s very little indecision, even if necessarily the ball doesn’t go maybe where it should, it goes there fast and it goes there pretty aggressively which a lot of times works out in his favor. So he’s coming along, doing a lot of nice things, and I expect him to contribute Saturday.”

Is it vision? Does he have to improve on his vision a little bit in terms of seeing the hole?

“Oh, I don’t think so. I think he sees things fine. It’s just a quality of his is that if it’s not there, if he doesn’t see it clearly, it doesn’t slow him down. He’ll kind of just cram his way into something and find tough yards. So it’s not a knock on him necessarily, it’s more of a plus, if that makes sense.”

You talk about playing the guy that’s having the best week of practice. What are some particulars that jump out that you look for like, Okay, this guy is just better this week?

“Yeah, so you’re looking for just reliability assignment-wise for one; running the plays the way they’re supposed to be run; reading the runs the proper way; then pass-protection wise, being reliable and understanding where the protection is going, who they’re responsible for, and then executing the block—the actual physical part of the block.

“It’s not necessarily like, Hey, this guy practiced the best so he’s going to play the most. It’s guys who practiced well, these guys can play, now let’s figure out how to get them in situations where they can succeed, if that makes sense. It’s the kind of things that you go as the week does and certain plays become maybe specific for certain guys, and as the season has gone on certain guys have emerged as being more reliable and trustworthy as protection backs or as receiving backs.”

Your offense hasn’t had a lot of big, long-yard plays. What do the running backs need to do to work with the offensive line to create more of those?

“Yeah, so to do that is kind of just in who those guys are. When a run is blocked properly, there should be one one guy or two guys left unblocked that could potentially make the play, so some of those big-time plays like you saw against Indiana—think it was a 59-yard run or something like that—the two safeties were unblocked and Karan had the speed to split them right down the middle. That’s the kind of thing that just your running has to take care of that extra one or two guys, and they’ve done a pretty good job of it so far. There’s obviously room for improvement as well.”

As a whole the offense has struggled but it seems like the run game, whether it’s from somebody, it seems like someone comes up whether Ty [Isaac] has a big game or Chris [Evans] has a big game. What is the sense of the running backs right now in terms of balance of offense? Do you guys feel like becoming a little more run heavy for the rest of the year, go with what’s working?

“Um… I couldn’t really speak for them on what they think. I know just as a whole we have to be able to adapt and do what it is we’re capable of doing at a high level and do that, you know what I mean? If you’re not throwing the ball particularly well then you can’t come out and throw it 50 times. If the run game isn’t going great then you have to be able to adapt and find other ways to make plays.

“I think that’s in our nature because we’re built to do a lot of different things, so whether it’s run heavy or pass heavy, it’s just going to be week by week and as the season goes it kind of just unfolds based on how certain position groups are playing.”

How’s it been for you so far through the midpoint of the season? First year as a running backs coach; how have you adapted to this and gotten used to your new role?

“Yeah, I feel like I answer that every time I’m up here. Is that ever gonna stop?”

I’ve never asked you that.

“I gotcha. Everything’s good, it’s great, I love it. The guys are fun. They work hard. They take a lot of pride in what they do. They really, really want to win, and they approach a pretty selfish position unselfishly, and that’s huge. Makes it fun to have everyone be together and working together and it also gives you a better chance for success.”

One the unselfish side of running backs, how do you like what your fullbacks are doing right now?

“Love it. I love it. They both are still working to improve, which is great as senior guys, guys that have played a lot of football and have high expectations on them and some accolades. For them to come out and practice the way that they did even yesterday, with a really renewed focus and determination to improve the fundamentals, really get back to the basics of what got them to this point, I think it says a lot about them and their role in the offense. I love all three of those guys.”

Henry [Poggi] in particular said after a disappointment like Saturday it’s important to show the younger guys, to lead by example. Is that something you talked to them about as well or is it just innate in a senior?

“Yeah, that’s who Henry is. I think as a team it’s just kind of who we are, too. You can talk about being disappointed or talk about [how] this needs to get fixed or we got to do better but nothing… nothing… there’s no substance to that. It’s all about what you actually go out and do in practice, what you do in the meeting, the attentiveness, the note-taking, the listening, the actual coaching by us. It’s about action, not about saying you’re disappointed or saying what you’re gonna do. So, yeah, Henry’s like that, but as a whole, as a team, we’ve got to be like that. Otherwise you really have no chance to improve.”

The chop-block call on him, does he get a negative for that? That seemed like kind of a dicey call.

“Yeah, he did not get a negative for that. I’m not sure. I’ve never officiated a game. It seems like a tough thing to do, but I did not give him a negative.”

In pass-pro, how far do these guys still have to go and can they get there?

“I think they can definitely get there. They still have a ways to go because we’re really chasing perfection, where we can stack game after game where the quarterback isn’t getting touched or even times where the quarterback doesn’t get touched but we still weren’t perfect assignment-wise. We’ve got to continue to grow in terms of being disciplined with our eyes and being 100% perfect with assignments. The guys understand that that’s what the standard is and just grinding at that every single day. Will you ever get there? Maybe, maybe not, but if you can get really close to that and keep the quarterback clean, you’re going to be pretty good as an offense.”

Comments

blue90

October 25th, 2017 at 7:34 PM ^

We need a real RB coach, he cannot really do tightends or backs...you really think we're going to compete in the running game with other schools with him as the backs coach?  No, we are not.  I have a problem with Pep as well but maybe I'll leave that for another day.

snarling wolverine

October 26th, 2017 at 6:04 AM ^

Of course there are a lot of variables involved that go beyond Jay . . . like the OL also being worse, the passing game taking a big step back (causing defenses to cheat up more often), and Smith being gone.

He may or may not be good at his job but the performance of the ground game alone can only tell us so much.

taut

October 25th, 2017 at 7:57 PM ^

Those questions may be tiresome, but they come with the territory as you've pointed out. If I had a son that worked in my field I'd advise him to go off and acheive success elsewhere, then perhaps come back and work with me. Otherwise people will assume he's a nepotism hire.

If Jim brought in John, or Jack, there'd be no question they're qualified. They have extensive resumes. Jay on the other hand was in a position similar to a grad assistant for his uncle John for three years before coming to UM to be TE coach and asst special teams coach. Prior to working with his uncle he was an undergrad assistant in college. That's his coaching experience. That's not much of a resume for a 28 year-old that makes $225K as a coach at a premier football school. We could get a guy like Zordich who played in the NFL and coached in the NFL. Or even a stud like Mattison who's been coaching football almost two decades longer than Jay's been alive.

Nothing personal, Jay seems like a great guy and might even be a decent coach. But if you look at the coaching staff bios and play the "one of these things is not like the other" game, who stands out? The guy with the same last name as the HC.

UMfan21

October 25th, 2017 at 8:55 PM ^

Jay did spend 6 years working at Oregon State and for the Ravens. probably a nepotism hire with Baltimore, but he has cut his teeth elsewhere. having said that, I don't mind having him on the staff, he seemed fine the last two years. I do think Running backs happens to be a position group he does not coach very well.

Esterhaus

October 25th, 2017 at 6:44 PM ^

Measured must include blocking and catching passes. I'll await Mathlete or comparable analysis on this, however, I have formed my own preliminary conclusions. Jay needs to develop our backs better being one such conclusion.

Everyone Murders

October 25th, 2017 at 6:54 PM ^

Those were some curiously easy questions.  And it appeared that the majority of game-related questions were about the IU game two weekends ago.  (Was the Penn State game last Saturday night just an awful dream I had?  I'll accept "yes" as an answer, but the memories are still so very vivid.)

It seems like the press was really tossing some beer-league softball questions here.  I wonder if the beat reporters are afraid of incurring the wrath of Jay's dad?

UMForLife

October 25th, 2017 at 7:07 PM ^

There is a sense here that Jay is not doing well. However, running game is the only thing that seemed to have improved. Sure, we can have better protection but seems like Jay has brought along the running game.

The Baughz

October 25th, 2017 at 7:19 PM ^

I like JayBaugh, just not as RB coach at UM. They need to bring in an established coach who has experience with RBs. This group has not made one iota of progress in pass pro and it's really hurting the offense. Obviously it's just not the RBs struggling, but this has to be the worst group of pass protecting RBs Michigan has ever had.

Jonesy

October 25th, 2017 at 7:30 PM ^

Jay Harbaugh comes in as TE coach everyone cries nepotism! he'll be terrible! and TEs are great.

Next year Jay moves to ST coach after we lose Baxter, the Don Brown of ST coaches, everyone cries nepotism! he'll be terrible! and we dominate on special teams blocking more kicks than i've ever seen blocked outside of Beamer Ball.

Next year Jay mvoes to RB coach and everyone cries nepotism! he'll be terrible! and RBs are noticeably improved behind a horrid OL.

 

...you guys are the worst.

Toby Flenderson

October 25th, 2017 at 7:39 PM ^

The running backs have been awful in pass protection this year, and each of them have had issues with fumbles. The RB's have talent, but there is much room for improvement.

Furthermore, you talk about the TEs being great, when he had Jake Butt, who is the best TE to hit Ann Arbor since Bennie Joppru. Jay Harbaugh has done very little to earn praise for his coaching to be completely honest, and if he wasn't Jim Harbaugh's son, he would not be on the staff. 

Carcajou

October 26th, 2017 at 4:39 AM ^

Thank you. Was just about to post exactly this- that mediocrity would be a nice start. Looking at the game the other day, and it seemed that more of the breakdowns in protection were on the part of the backs than the much-maligned OL.

That said, pass protection from backs always seems to be a question mark in football.

The Oracle

October 26th, 2017 at 4:04 AM ^

Do you really think fumbles are on coaches? I'd imagine that there's an emphasis on hanging on to the ball and instruction on how to do so coming from coaches at every level. Ultimately, it comes down to the player. As far as the effectiveness of the running game goes, they lost their leading rusher, 4/5 of the offensive line and are getting very poor QB play. I'd say all of that might have just a bit more to do with what's going on than whatever Jay Harbaugh is saying in practice.

Red Dragon

October 25th, 2017 at 7:38 PM ^

I’m sooooo glad that “it’s good, it’s great, the guys are having fun, the guys are working hard”.

Jay, what specifically are you doing to make them better than other programs, or what specifically are your qualifications to turn these good players into great ones??

shoes

October 25th, 2017 at 7:54 PM ^

QB, O-line, WRs, TEs, and RBs, I would say our running backs are behind possibly the TEs (arguably) in terms of performance YTD and that there  are 3 groups that are a bigger problem.

BlueMk1690

October 25th, 2017 at 9:04 PM ^

Michigan's long-time RB coach was pretty respected and highly experienced and basically everything the clowns on here want a RB coach to be and yet he was constantly criticized and seen as a weakness on the staff. 

Most people criticizing Jay Harbaugh have (1) no idea how to coach RBs (2) no idea if Jay Harbaugh is doing a good job at it or not. They just have an ax to grind and are the caliber of people who call into sports talk shows on the radio..(that's not a compliment).

Toby Flenderson

October 25th, 2017 at 9:30 PM ^

Ahh the false dichotomy fallacy, in which you choose two alternatives that are not jointly exhausting. 

The running backs have shown to be a huge liability this year in pass protection, and this is a group with a Sophomore, Junior, and 5th year senior. Each of the running backs have shown little ability to catch out of the backfield or hang on the the ball.

In addition, there are three major points to why people are skeptical of Jay Harbaugh as a RB coach.

1. He never played RB

2. He had never coached RBs.

3. He would not be at U of M if not for being Jim Harbaugh's son.

 

 

Reader71

October 26th, 2017 at 7:40 AM ^

The RB protection issues are true. But, they existed for each of these RBs last year under the legendary Tyrone Wheatley. He relied on Smith, who was the only RB who could protect, and the only RB Jay doesn’t have. I don’t know if Jay is a good RB coach or not. You can fault him for the RBs not being better in protection than they are, but you have to realize that they weren’t very good blockers before Jay took over either. I don’t understand how fans can convince themselves so strongly on these things. He’s done well with the TE and ST, the RBs have run pretty well considering the OL and passing game problems. There’s some evidence he can coach.

MGoDoughnut

October 25th, 2017 at 9:31 PM ^

he still shouldn't be the RB coach. It's beyond dispute that he's a nepotism hire. Anyone who argues otherwise would have to maintain the untenable position that a guy with no backs coaching or playing experience would still have been hired to lead that unit. Moreover, if there is a performance issue, there's a disincentive for accountability. Jim's not going to fire his son, regardless of what his performance is. Noone can say that that is in the interest of either the program or the players.

tenerson

October 25th, 2017 at 10:33 PM ^

What? Do you mean to tell me it's not their fault they can't beam themselves through a wall that is the LOS most of the time? It's not their fault there are frequntly 2 different options to try and block in passing situations? I'm not buying it. I'm going to sit over here and bitch just to bitch because my feelings are hurt that Michigan isn't undefeated. Whoever the guy is that's getting interviewed, he stinks.