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February 28th, 2009 at 7:15 PM
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We need more offensive players than defensive players

This goes out to all the worry warts who thought we offered too many WR's early last year and RB's and WR's this year. Michigan needs more offensive players!

Start with the defense:

If you take all of the defensive sets that a team normally runs, 4-3-4, 3-3-5, 4-2-5, you might conclude that a defense needs 12 nominal first string defensive players. Even though only 11 can be fielded at once, I would argue that a fifth DB should be considered so important that his position should have a "starter"

Offense:

Think of all the offensive sets a team uses, whether it is a spread team or a pro-style offense. You have a two-back set, with or without a fullback. You have a three wide, a four wide set, you need a tight end to replace a slot receiver, etc. In all I would argue that our style of offense requires 15 first string players:

5 OL
1 QB
1 FB
2 RB
1 TE
2 Slot receivers
3 Outside receivers

to accomplish what RR wants to do in all combinations of offensive sets, even though he can field only 11 at a time.

So, if you are trying to build a roster that has a three-deep at each position requiring a first string player, you would carry 36 scholarship players on defense and 45 on offense. This would leave you with 4 spots for special teams players. Sounds about right, right?

Take a look at Michigan's roster for 2009. I count about 33 defensive players and 44 offensive players, a few specialists and a few guys who could end up playing either D or O (Ferrara, Gordon, Watson, etc). In my opinion that is right where he probably wants it.

Worried that RR is offering ten 2010 wideouts? Stop worrying. We need at least two, and maybe three new guys going into 2010. Worried that he is offering too many RB's? Don't! Our roster should have six. After 09, we will have three, so we will need to sign at least two for 2010. He might even take another slot guy. Don't freak out! We need one. Now, bringing in four receivers and two running backs will need a lot of offers, which are now being handed out. Its totally normal.

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February 28th, 2009 at 7:33 PM | But mabrsu said we had to (Score:1)
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But mabrsu said we had to many "ofers" on offense already. You must be mistaken with all this logic stuff.

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February 28th, 2009 at 8:59 PM | Excellent post. (Score:1)
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Excellent post.

Ann Arbor: now the permanent home of the Little Brown Jug

67-22-3 all-time

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February 28th, 2009 at 10:53 PM | IMO this is a good read and I (Score:1)
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IMO this is a good read and I would say that this guy knows his stuff a lot better than I do so even if I wanted to argue with him I could not. Good post.

Oh how I hate Ohio State

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March 1st, 2009 at 1:25 AM | Good analysis, but I have a (Score:1)
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Good analysis, but I have a minor quibble. O-linemen usually play the whole game, while the d-line is usually rotated in. I think the Detroit Loins had 7 or 8 offensive linemen for 5 positions and like 11 d-linemen for 4 positions last year. But then again, in college o-linemen are usually redshirted and there are more backups because they take longer to develop. But the point is well made.

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March 1st, 2009 at 1:37 AM | Don't ever use the Detroit (Score:1)
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Don't ever use the Detroit Lions and what they did as an example of what is done, or what should be done. Keeping 11 DL was ridiculous and not something that is a normal occurence.

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March 1st, 2009 at 1:41 AM | Now THAT's logic..... (Score:1)
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I have to agree that using the Lions as an example for anything other than gross imcompetence is a losing proposition.

Although they did show signs today of maybe waking up out of their fifty-year stupor.

 

 

 

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March 1st, 2009 at 12:29 PM | I knew I was setting myself (Score:1)
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I knew I was setting myself up badly by using the Lions in my analogy, but I don't know any other NFL team's roster as well as them. It also could be that Rod Marinelli still thought he was a d-line coach, so he tried to field a full team of them. But I think generally teams (at least in the NFL) carry more defensive linemen than offensive linemen.

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March 1st, 2009 at 2:29 AM | Lions aside, if you argued that taking away one or two of the (Score:1)
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18 Outside/Slot/TE's and adding one or two D-linemen, I would probably agree. Out of those 18, you will have guys like Martell Webb, Je'Ron Stokes or Roy Roundtree whose skills ostensibly overlap two receiver positions. And since D-linemen probably have the most to overcome wrt fatigue, those extra spots should go there.

That would leave Michigan's current position like this:

3 short in the defensive backfield

1-2 short on the d line, and I am already assuming that Ferrara and a current tight end switch over

Just about right at WR this year, but needing to bring in three outside guys and one slot guy in 2010

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