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Upon Further Review 2011: Defense vs Michigan State

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Formation notes: Michigan spent most of the day in the 4-3 under. They did not flip the line much—just a couple times. Michigan State had a few plays where they'd move their strength three(!) times that seemed designed to work this tendency, but M didn't bite.

When they went to nickel it was Avery, not Johnson, as M went for more of a pass-cover look. They also brought out the 46 bear D from time to time, mostly as a second-half adjustment.

Substitution notes: Nothing too unusual at this point. Woolfolk got his customary first series and then sat after letting Martin behind him and giving up the edge on an outside run; Countess replaced him.

The line rotation was a bit tighter in this game, probably because there weren't a lot of plays in the second half. Campbell, Black, and Brink rotated in.

Kovacs, Gordon, Ryan, and Demens were constants. I'm not sure but I think RVB was also on the field for every snap.

Show? Show.

Ln Dn Ds O Form D Form Type Rush Play Player Yards
O37 1 10 Ace twins 4-3 under Pass N/A Bubble screen -- Inc
Winged high. Looked like Woolfolk(+0.5) had this handled to the point where Kovacs could come in and make a tackle after a minimal gain.
O37 2 10 I-Form 4-3 under Run N/A Inside zone Ryan 21
Just a simple inside zone on which there is no edge because Ryan(-2) got cut to the ground massively; RVB(-1) gave too much ground on the outside and Demens(-1) also got cut; into the secondary. Gordon(-1, tackling -1) misses a tackle, giving up another five or so before Kovacs and Woolfolk can get there.
M42 1 10 I-Form 4-3 under Pass 6 Fly Woolfolk Inc
Blitz gets Demens(+0.5, pressure +1) in unblocked but not quick enough to prevent a throw; Martin just outruns Woolfolk(-2, cover -2)—live it looked like he was in molasses—to the point where he's multiple yards behind when the ball gets there. Martin drops it.
M42 2 10 Ace trips Nickel press Run N/A Inside zone Van Bergen 3
Again trying the edge... at least I think. The cutback that develops here is pretty dangerous in its own right. Ryan(+1) keeps contain and forces the play away from the overloaded WR side; Martin(+0.5) is flowing down behind the play, forcing it yet further behind, and then there's just Van Bergen(+1), who beat a cut and is also coming down the line... and air. Hawthorne(-0.5) and Demens(-0.5) are getting blocked out of either side of the play here, so without RVB this is a big gainer.
M39 3 7 Shotgun 3-wide Nickel press Pass 5 Out Avery 8
Avery(-1, cover -1) beat on the out after Michigan showed man on the motion. No time for any pressure to get there.
M31 1 10 Diamond screen Nickel press Pass N/A WR screen Avery 6
Michigan still pointing to each other as the ball is snapped; not ready. Avery(-1) is picked up by Cunningham and basically chucked inside the hashes. A similarly slow-reacting Floyd(-1) is kicked inside and this nothing play gets a chunk.
M25 2 4 Ace 4-3 under Run N/A Inside zone Woolfolk 12
I was mad at Roh live but I don't think this is really his fault since they have Kovacs overhanging and the DL going under. He's doubled the whole play and eventually blown off the line, but he took two people. Cunningham cracks down on Kovacs, sealing the edge guy... except Woolfolk(-2, tackling -1) should be watching this develop, which he is. He does a terrible job of recognition, lets Baker outside of him, and gives up the first down. Marlin Jackson makes this a TFL. As soon as that WR motions inside he's giving it away, man, and if he's going on a pass route it's a drag away from you on a waggle. You have to be hard on the corner here. Also Hawthorne(-1) got absorbed and erased. They do not make plays like we see the MSU LBs making.
M13 1 10 I-Form Big 4-3 under Run N/A Pitch sweep Roh 12
Again telegraphed with motion, an offset FB, and Cunningham tight to the line—Michigan does not respond. Roh(-2) instantly sealed by the motioning TE, so there's no delay for the pullers. Hawthorne(-1) runs right into Cunningham; done. Demens(-1) trips over a prone guy who was trying to block Hawthorne; Kovacs(-1) runs out to the edge and gets chopped to the ground. Gordon comes over to tackle at the one.
M1 1 G Goal line Goal line Run N/A Iso -- 1
They get it. Terrible camera angle and no replay so I can't really tell why this is so easy; I usually don't minus unsuccessful goal line plays anyway because the odds are so stacked against you.
Drive Notes: Touchdown, 7-7, 5 min 1st Q
Ln Dn Ds O Form D Form Type Rush Play Player Yards
O32 1 10 Shotgun trips bunch 4-3 under Pass N/A Flare screen Van Bergen 4
Morgan in for Hawthorne, Countess for Woolfolk. Basically a replay of the diamond screen w/ the receiver arriving after the snap. RVB(+1) is playside; he reads the flare and the attempted cut block by the tackle and shoots out on the edge. Ryan(+1) gets the edge on Martin and drive him back a ways, forcing the cutback into Van Bergen. Martin can spin past the tackle because Demens(-0.5) went into a pass drop and got there late.
O36 2 6 Ace 4-3 under Run N/A Inside zone Morgan 9
Roh gets outside for force it back. Martin(-1) is single blocked effectively, getting shoved downfield by one guy... who is holding him pretty blatantly, but no call. Results based charting. Morgan(-1) runs up and gets cut to the ground by the TE; Martin falls over it. Demens can't get to the play because Martin was single blocked and gave ground. He manages to ankle tackle as Baker leaps Morgan.
O45 1 10 I-Form twins 4-3 under Pass 5 PA Hitch Countess Inc
No pressure(-1) as Cousins can sit and survey; Cunningham open(cover -1) in front of Countess; dropped.
O45 2 10 I-form 4-3 under Run N/A End around Black 6
Cool play with the WR coming in motion, then orbiting back on the snap to take an end around snap after the RB runs a dive fake. Looks a lot like power as the backside G pulls but then he heads outside. This basically works; Black(-2) sucks inside, going after Cousins, and is out of the play. Kovacs(+1) avoids a cut and stays outside. Morgan(+1) reads the play and gets out to take on the pulling G's block; those two combine to force a cutback that should be for nothing but isn't because Black's not there. Morgan comes off to tackle; Black arrives later to help.
M49 3 4 Shotgun trips bunch Nickel press Pass N/A Drag Floyd 3
Michigan reveals both man and a blitz as Ryan goes in motion with the TE. Really wish they had checks for this—RR never ran motion because teams would screw with your head by having a check to another defense if you went in motion. Michigan just appears to run it. MSU runs mesh at man, and the two mesh WRs pick each other off. This bumps Cunningham off his route; still complete but Floyd(+1, tackling +1) takes advantage, tackling on the catch and only giving ground when an OL impacts him from behind.
Drive Notes: Punt, 7-7, 1 min 1st Q
Ln Dn Ds O Form D Form Type Rush Play Player Yards
O10 1 10 I-Form Big 4-3 under Run N/A Power off tackle Martin 4
Again offset, again motioning the TE outside of Roh. This time MSU fans the TE; Roh(-0.5), conscious of the previous play on which he got killed, aggressively tries to get outside. The FB redirects outside to block him. Heininger(-1) is handled by a momentary double and Demens is again given no shot. Martin(+1) fights through his block to flow down the line and tackle, preventing this from breaking bigger. Hawthorne(+0.5) did a good job to hold up to his block and force the play back inside where Martin could tackle.
O14 2 6 I-Form 46 bear Run N/A Inside zone Heininger -1
Before MSU sets a TE lines up to one side, then shoots to the other side of the line. He sets; other TE goes in motion. The TE who originally moved now comes off the line and motions back to where he started. In short: MSU went from balanced to two TEs left to two TEs right, with the last motion into an offset FB. Michigan is trying to use that bear front and moves around a ton to get it set up. After all that, a TFL. Heininger(+2) and Roh(+2) get off the ball quickly, driving their blockers into the backfield. Heininger gets so deep Baker trips over his blocker; Roh is there to clean up in the backfield after the bounce necessitated by the penetration.
O13 3 7 Shotgun empty Nickel even Pass 4 Slant Hawthorne 16
Hawthorne(-1, cover -1) goes for a Cunningham head fake and hops outside, opening up the slant. Pressure was getting there, so if this is not there strong chance of issues in the backfield for State.
O29 1 10 I-Form 4-3 under Run N/A Power off tackle Demens 4
Brink in at SDE; MSU runs at him. He gives ground(-1) badly, ending up pancaked away from the POA. This erases Hawthorne. Martin(+2) runs through the center like he is not there, getting into the hole despite being down-blocked. This is not supposed to happen. If Demens(-0.5) can stand up the guard Baker has nowhere to go; he comes up hard to the outside and ends up getting pushed past the play. G falls forward and Baker goes with him as Martin tackles.
O33 2 6 I-Form 4-3 over Run N/A Power off tackle Hawthorne 3
Over because they shift the strength and Michigan doesn't flip all over the place. They run power again, this time at the weakside. Hawthorne does a better job with this than he has in the past—instead of moving directly at the LOS he appears to read the G pull and shuffles playside. Ryan is blitzing on the snap and pulls the FB block; Demens(+0.5) either reads it quickly or is also blitzing and peels off the pulling G; he maintains leverage. Hawthorne(+0.5) is in the right spot to tackle; he does so. Baker falls forward. RVB(+0.5) took a double without allowing someone to pop out on Hawthorne, thus providing the free hitter.
O36 3 3 Shotgun 3-wide Nickel press Pass 6 Dumpoff Kovacs Inc
Michigan sends a couple delayed blitzers, one Kovacs from the S spot, one Demens. Demens is not relevant. Blitz gets Kovacs(+1, pressure/RPS +1) in alone, forcing Cousins to adjust because Floyd(+1, cover +1) is in Cunningham's pocket on the hitch he wants at the sticks. Plan B is a dumpoff to a releasing RB that would go a long way if complete but is high. I don't think it can be complete since Ryan(+1) is in the lane after chucking the guy and almost gets a hand on it despite it being way overthrown. Batted if accurate.
Drive Notes: Punt, 7-7, 9 min 2nd Q
Ln Dn Ds O Form D Form Type Rush Play Player Yards
O5 1 10 I-Form 4-3 under Penalty N/A False start -- -2
Derp.
O3 1 12 I-Form 4-3 under Run N/A Power off tackle Morgan 4
Ryan(+1) does a good job of constricting the hole here; RVB(+0.5) is doubled and gives a little ground but not much. Demens(+0.5) hits the narrow hole, getting kicked outside by the pulling G; free hitter is Morgan(-1), who is late. His tackle is more of a catch, allowing Baker to fall forward when the rest of the line had set this up for no gain.
O7 2 8 Ace 4-3 under Run N/A Zone stretch Roh 5
Cunningham motions in to set the edge. Roh(+1) beats the TE outside, forcing Bell to cut up. Morgan(-1) runs down the line and gets cut to the ground. That mess causes Campbell to fall over the bodies; an overhanging Kovacs(+1) banged Cunningham in an attempt to get outside, read the cutback, and disconnects to tackle(+1). He gets run over but hangs on.
O12 3 3 Shotgun empty Nickel press Penalty N/A Delay -- -5
This was about to be nerve-wracking as M again put everyone within five yards of the LOS. Instead it's a friendly yellow flag.
O7 3 8 Shotgun trips bunch Nickel even Pass 4 Flare screen Avery 3
Yeah... screen. Avery(+2, cover +1, tackling +1) reads the flare and bugs out for the sideline, beating Cunningham to the spot and shooting past him. He's off balance from a bump but keeps his feet and tackles by himself; Countess comes up to help.
Drive Notes: Punt, 7-7, 4 min 2nd Q. Next drive starts with 2:23 in half, so keep that in mind.
Ln Dn Ds O Form D Form Type Rush Play Player Yards
O5 1 10 I-form Big 4-3 under Run N/A Power off tackle Demens 3
Trying to pop it outside again; Ryan(+1) gets upfield and outside of the block from the TE—who may have set up too far inside—to force it back; with the puller headed way outside this is two for one. Demens(+1) is out on this play at the LOS well before the ball gets there; he takes on the FB block and makes an ankle tackle as Baker moves past the LOS; Gordon(+0.5) filled quickly to help. Hawthorne is back in; he was all backside despite the pulling G.
O8 2 7 I-Form Big 4-3 under Run N/A Inside zone Martin 9
Wow. Martin(-1) caved in by a double team. Heininger(-1) easily controlled by a single block; Hawthorne is the guy in the gap that forms but it's a real big gap and he's got a blocker coming into him; would be tough for him to do much here. Kovacs comes down to fill.
O17 1 10 Shotgun empty Nickel even Pass 4 Out Demens 7
Michigan playing soft as they try to bleed the clock down with a lot of yards to go. Demens lets this completion happen; he does tackle basically on the catch. Basically fine given the situation.
O24 2 3 Shotgun 3-wide Nickel even Pass 6 Drag -- 11
Demens over the center and Avery coming down to blitz. So here's a difference: two minute drill for MSU. Cousins signals for snap. Center head down, head up, Avery comes down... beat... snap. Hawthorne bugs out for the hash as Michigan sends six, MSU runs a little drag, wide open, first down. (Cover -1, RPS -1)
O35 1 10 Shotgun 3-wide Nickel even Pass 4 Hitch Countess 9
Countess(-0.5, cover -1) beaten too easily here, giving up nine yards and OOB, only able to shove the guy after the catch.
O44 2 1 Shotgun 3-wide Nickel even Pass 6 Throaway Avery Inc
Bizarre: same exact play by M, same huge hole in the middle of the D. No one there to catch the drag so Cousins, spooked, chucks it OOB. Avery(+0.5) timed it a bit better and is flying across the LOS at the snap. (pressure +1) The stunting DE was getting in as Cousins threw; he didn't have time to let these routes develop. RPS +1.
O44 3 1 Ace trips Nickel even Run N/A Broken play -- 0
RB does not go the right way. Cousins tries to scramble for it and is hacked down.
Drive Notes: Half, 7-7, EOH
Ln Dn Ds O Form D Form Type Rush Play Player Yards
O46 1 10 Ace 4-3 under Run N/A Inside zone Demens 16
Odd backside double of Heininger gets him off the ball but does not get anyone onto Hawthorne. Assuming this is meant to cut back; it does not because Martin(+1) blows up his block into the backfield; RVB(+0.5) also got his guy well back; Baker forced into a narrow gap between the two. Martin can't quite disconnect to tackle. And then... nothing. Demens(-2) sits and takes a block two yards downfield, failing to get outside and losing leverage. Hawthorne(-1) inexplicably slows up as he scrapes. Despite having a free hitter with no one on him Michigan gives up a gain because of very bad LB play. Countess(+0.5) comes up very well, making a tackle attempt four yards downfield; Baker runs through it. Ryan(-1, tackling -1) now has a shot to end the play but can't; Baker runs through that tackle as he gets shoved by an OL.
M38 1 10 I-Form Big 4-3 under Run N/A Iso Hawthorne 4
Again offset FB/narrow WR implying an outside run. M gets outside and MSU goes up the middle. Backside DL are going away from the playside; Martin(-1) gets sealed out of the hole and lets a guy out on Demens; Heininger(-1) gets single blocked. Big gap. LBs do well considering; Demens(+1) gets inside of his blocker, convincing Baker to cut to the backside of the Hawthorne(+1) block; Hawthorne disconnects to tackle(+1). Think Baker cost himself yards. RPS -1.
M34 2 6 I-Form twins 4-3 under Run N/A Power off tackle Heininger 4
Jet sweep end around threat. Heininger(+1) blasts past a downblock attempt and gets upfield into the pulling G. Forced cutback. Baker makes it smoothly. Martin(-0.5) got shoved by the C and then hit by a G, he is off balance as Baker hits it up and can't tackle. Hawthorne is free now because of the cutback and comes down to fill. He does a mediocre job. RVB(+0.5) is slanting down from the backside and still helps tackle. Actually, he initiates the tackle. RVB's best trait is it's impossible to get him on the ground. He does not fall over, ever.
M30 3 2 Ace 3-wide Nickel press Run N/A End around Gordon 3
This is just tough to defend in man; Floyd is hauling after Martin in motion but has no shot at getting there with all the traffic he has to deal with. So it's Cunningham and Nichol, seniors, blocking Countess(-0.5) and Avery(-0.5), and that works out about how you'd expect. Gordon(+1, tackling +1) fills really well but there's no way to hold this down. RPS -1.
M27 1 10 Ace 4-3 under Pass 4 PA deep hitch Countess Inc
Ludicrously tight camera angle means we know none of the things. Four man rush gets nowhere near Cousins(pressure -2); I sympathize after all the running. On replay, Countess(+1, cover +1) does get a hand in and seems to help this incompletion. Wind probably gave him the time but he got there.
M27 2 10 I-Form 4-3 under Run N/A Counter pitch Countess 20
Power action with a counter toss gets Baker the edge. Black(-0.5) holds up and runs at it but runs too far upfield and doesn't string this as far as he could. Countess(-2) gets way too far inside and gives up the edge; he actually runs into Hawthorne, who's doing a decent job to set up and maybe be in position for a tackle at the numbers. Instead Countess is chucked into his legs. Gordon(-2, tackling -1) then misses at the sticks. Baker steps out at the 22; this is not called; it is reviewed and still left to stand. WTF? Refs -2.
M7 1 G I-Form 46 bear Run N/A Power off tackle Roh -3
Hawthorne comes down to be the extra lineman in the 46. He takes on a TE block, but the key to the play is Roh(+2) shooting into the backfield, standing up the FB in the backfield, causing Bell to stop, and allowing Ryan(+0.5) to rumble in from behind to tackle. RPS +1.
M10 2 G I-Form Big 4-3 under Pass 4 PA throwaway Roh Inc
Play action on second and goal from the ten, okay. Michigan covers(+2) everyone and Roh(+1, pressure +1) releases as the TE releases him, getting in on Cousins after leaping to dissuade an early throw. Cousins sails one out of the endzone.
M10 3 G Shotgun 4-wide 3-3-5 nickel Pass 3 Hitch Floyd 10
Michigan sets up a picket fence with just three rushers. Floyd(-2, tackling -2) manages to miss a tackle in this situation; Martin is about six inches inside the line as he turns upfield and barely manages to get the ball across the line as Hawthorne bangs him to the ground. Guh.
Drive Notes: Touchdown, 7-14, 11 min 3rd Q. MSU gets the next drive at their 20 because this is the punt that's dying at the three when Furman takes it into the endzone.
Ln Dn Ds O Form D Form Type Rush Play Player Yards
O20 1 10 I-Form Big 4-3 under Run N/A Pitch sweep Roh 15
BWS picture paged this; it is all alignment. They run outside; down blocks on Roh and Morgan are hugely advantageous. Morgan(-1) is looking in the backfield instead of his blocker and gets blown up; Kovacs(-1) is cut to the ground too easily. Roh(-1) also sealed. Baker into the secondary, where Gordon(-1, tackling -1) basically whiffs but miraculously punches the football loose as Baker heads for paydirt. Turnover.
Drive Notes: Fumble, 7-14, 6 min 3rd Q
Ln Dn Ds O Form D Form Type Rush Play Player Yards
O39 1 10 I-Form Big 4-3 under Run N/A Pitch sweep Roh 2
Same exact play. Roh(+1) strings it to the edge this time, eventually getting the second puller to the ground, two for one. Morgan finally getting out rapidly(+0.5). He ends up taking another two for one as one of the pullers cuts him as Cunningham cracks back on him after shoving Kovacs. This plus the Roh play means Kovacs(+0.5) is alone on the edge. He makes the tackle.
O41 2 8 Diamond screen Okie press? Pass N/A Ref debacle -- Inc
Wow. This is OBVIOUSLY a backwards pass. It's not even close. Martin drops it and instead of calling the "free touchdown" the refs blow it dead. This is inexcusable. It is not close at all. I deleted fourteen swear words in this box.
O41 3 8 Shotgun 3-wide Nickel even Pass N/A Drag Ryan 14
All Ryan. Mattison has a great call on for what MSU is running: a triple blitz up the middle with both DEs falling back to ride the obvious mesh response to this play. Roh stares straight at the TE and rides him on his mesh; Ryan(-2, cover -2) looks in the backfield, lets Cunningham through free, and gives up the conversion because Cousins can hit his WR without the jam. Everyone else is in man; Ryan is in zone. The guy is a missed assignment factory. RPS +2; this was a fantastic call that would have gotten MSU off the field if executed. BWS picture pages.
M46 1 10 Ace 4-3 under Pass 4 PA Fly Gordon Inc
All day on the PA (pressure -2); Coverage is spectacular (cover +3) and Cousins has no choice but to chuck it vaguely in the direction of a double-covered Cunningham. Gordon(+1) in better position that Cunningham if the ball is accurate; it's not. I assume this is a throwaway.
M46 2 10 I-Form Big 4-3 under Run N/A Iso Martin 5
Martin(-2) destroyed by a double, blown off the ball; he spins outside. Gross. RVB(+1) chucks his blocker to the ground; Morgan(+1) takes the MSU fullback and plants him backwards, forcing Baker back into the attacking RVB. Delayed, Baker is gang-tackled by Floyd and Demens. Wow... Martin not having a good game at all.
M41 3 5 Shotgun 3-wide Nickel even Pass 5 Hitch Floyd 6
Zone blitz sends five w/ Avery getting in clean (+0.5, pressure +1); Floyd(-0.5, cover -1) is too far off to prevent this completion. Maybe that's harsh; this is probably a route you can just complete all the time if you are good enough.
M35 1 10 I-Form Big 4-3 under Run N/A Power off tackle Demens 5
Same thing as the previous pitch sweep from a formation perspective; this shoots Roh way outside. Morgan(+0.5) reads the path of the RB and halts his outside move, picking off a blocker and constricting the hole; Heininger(+0.5) is blown back by a double but splits it when the other guy pops off on Demens. Demens pops the guy about two yards downfield; Bell falls forward for three more. Sort of got half-RPSed here; tough to blame the players on this.
M30 2 5 Ace 4-3 over Pass 5 TE screen -- 15
Michigan now flipping on MSU strength changes. This ends up with M in an over front with Kovacs coming down. MSU goes TE screen; live this looked like a block in the back on Kovacs but on replay this is legit. No angle shown gives an idea who might be responsible, but this was a big gain without an obvious way to prevent it: RPS -1.
M15 1 10 I-Form 46 bear Run N/A Inside zone Black 2
Because of the bear Black(+2) can flare out; he does. He gets outside of the TE, chucking him inside, and absorbs the FB block for a 2-for-1. This means no one is on Kovacs(-0.5); he attacks only to see his tackle(-1) run through; three yards later the cavalry arrives. RPS +1.
M13 2 8 Shotgun trips TE Nickel even Pass 4 Flat Floyd 13
Floyd in motion, revealing man; when Martin comes back the other way he reacts late and slows for no reason, making this ridiculously open. -2, cover -2, RPS -2, good lord. Even if he had played this well M was dead because they showed man. Floyd barely getting outside the tackle box by the time the ball was thrown was just the cherry on top.
Drive Notes: Touchdown, 7-21, EO3Q. Awful call, bad play by Ryan, seeya.
Ln Dn Ds O Form D Form Type Rush Play Player Yards
O15 1 10 I-Form 46 bear Run N/A Power off tackle Demens 6 (Pen -8)
Late move from Morgan to the bear spot. MSU runs power away from it. Heininger(-1) blown up by a double. Roh taken by pulling G; he restricts the hole but Heininger is gone. Since they're running weak and M has an extra guy in the box there is no one to block one LB. Demens(-1) is unblocked and flows but late; he contacts Baker three yards downfield and gives up a lot more as his tackle is run through. MSU G picks up a holding call for stupidly reaching his arms around Martin when he was not relevant to the play.
O8 1 17 I-Form 4-3 under Run N/A Inside zone Gordon -1
Michigan blitzes from the slot, getting Gordon(+0.5, RPS +1) in past the attempted block by Nichol; this cuts off the outside thanks to RVB(+1) thumping a double team backwards, pancaking the TE. Ryan runs up and gets cut to the ground again, but RB has to cut back because of the blitz. Heininger(+1) runs down the line and avoids a cut to tackle.
O7 2 18 I-Form 4-3 under Pass 4 PA throwaway -- Inc
An extremely unconvincing fake to the FB leaves an unblocked Roh on the edge; Heininger also starts running up at Cousins. With coverage(+1) good after the weird fake, Cousins chucks it away. Stupid playcall. (RPS +1)
O7 3 18 Ace Nickel even Pass 4 Sack Martin -1
Heavy rush from Martin(+1) pushes a G back and forces Cousins to step up quickly; RVB spins away to pursue and Cousins falls. (Pressure +1)
Drive Notes: Punt, 7-21, 10 min 4th Q
Ln Dn Ds O Form D Form Type Rush Play Player Yards
O21 1 10 I-Form 4-3 under Run N/A End around Floyd 8
Morgan(-1) sucks in on the dive fake; Gordon is blocked out of the play by Cunningham; Floyd(0) does not come up on the edge until Martin is already well downfield. He punches the ball out as he tackles so he gets his minus back.
Drive Notes: Fumble, 14-21, 9 min 4th Q
Ln Dn Ds O Form DForm Type Rush Play Player Yards
O19 1 10 I-Form 4-3 under Run N/A Power off tackle Demens 3
End around fake to the other side of the line. RVB(+1) holds up okay against a double; Ryan(+1) constricts the hole and Demens(+1) hits the lead blocker at the LOS; there is no gap for Baker and Demens can tackle; Morgan(-1) sat and ate a block so if this is a bigger hole Michigan has problems.
O22 2 7 I-Form 46 bear Run N/A Counter pitch Roh 3
Roh(+1) reads the FB coming his way and manages to string the play out all the way to the sideline.
O25 3 4 Shotgun empty Nickel press Pass 4 TE out Van Bergen Inc
Hey! We time the snap! RVB(+2, pressure +2) is moving as the ball goes as MSU's line just busts spectacularly, letting three guys in; RVB is the fastest and hits Cousins, forcing an inaccurate pass to an open TE out.
Drive Notes: Punt, 14-21, 4 min 4th Q. Next MSU drive is running the clock out, EOChart.

Well, at least the touchdowns weren't free.

Yeah. Woolfolk almost gave up a free one on the first drive and as BWS explained, the fumble that opened one of MSU's second-half drives was almost a free touchdown until Baker got the ball stripped on a tenuous, crappy tackle attempt by Gordon. But there's no comparison between this year and last. Wind had something to do with it; so did Greg Mattison.

How were they able to run outside so effectively?

For context we should look at the—

Chart.

Chart.

Defensive Line
Player + - T Notes
Van Bergen 9 1 8 Does not fall over. Needs to teach Ryan about cut blocks.
Martin 5.5 6.5 -1 Blown off the ball by doubles multiple times. Sad face.
Roh 8 3.5 4.5 Adjusted well after initial problems getting outside.
Brink - 1 -1 Eh.
Heininger 4.5 4 0.5 Did okay; still single blocked effectively too many times.
Black 2 2.5 -0.5 Didn't play much this week.
Campbell - - - Did not register.
TOTAL 33 18.5 14.5 Just an okay day.
Linebacker
Player + - T Notes
C. Gordon - - - DNP
Demens 4.5 6.5 -2 Michigan's linebackers are not nearly as reactive as MSU/ND, even Northwestern, and it costs them.
Herron - - - DNP
Ryan 7.5 5 2.5 Actually was not much of a problem after the first argh cut block.
Fitzgerald - - - DNP
Jones - - - DNP
Evans - - - DNP
Beyer - - - DNP
Hawthorne 2 4.5 -2.5 Unable to use his speed effectively, pulled.
Morgan 4 5 -1 Confused but more effective getting to the ball.
TOTAL 18 21 -3 WLB an issue; Demens not doing as well as expected.
Secondary
Player + - T Notes
Floyd 2 6 -4 Missed tackle on third and goal a killer.
Avery 3 2.5 0.5 Okay.
Woolfolk 0.5 4 -3.5 Two very bad plays on first drive and then bench.
Kovacs 3.5 2.5 1 Tough for him to tackle Baker; not pressed in coverage.
T. Gordon 3 4 -1 No fumble plus this time because he whiffed a tackle and got lucky instead of taking a guy to the ground in such away the ball comes out.
Countess 1.5 3 -1.5 Not Woodson yet.
Johnson - - - DNP
TOTAL 13.5 22 -8.5 Chunks of running yards due to poor corner support.
Metrics
Pressure 8 5 3 Not a lot of deep passes this week because of wind.
Coverage 9 12 -3 That's not too bad against a senior QB.
Tackling 5 8 38% Baker Baker Baker (also Martin)
RPS 8 6 2 While MSU took advantage of M weakness I didn't think that was a structural issue.

Our sanity check: MSU had just 333 yards but had a somewhat limited number of snaps (63), averaging 5.2 a shot. MSU averaged 5.5 YPC and their turnovers were only vaguely forced, so… yeah. The above seems about right. Michigan was a little disappointing on the line, a little disappointing at LB, and had major issues with members of the secondary tackling.

One surprise: neither Roh nor Ryan took the brunt. Both had decent days; the problems outside were often on corners, safeties, or linebackers. Roh got sealed a couple times but also did things like this:

I feel bad for taking a couple clips designed to show problems with Ryan when he was the only linebacker to finish positive.

…but you did take a couple clips.

Yeah. So caveats apply here. Problem one is the thing that makes me literally scream "AAARGH RYAN" during games when I see it happen. The guy takes cut blocks like Glass Joe takes a punch:

There are other problems on this play, most prominently Demens getting slashed to the ground just like Ryan does; RVB and Martin then tumble over the fallen OL. Gordon also does not make a swift fill. But if Ryan is on the edge here he can make a tackle attempt or force Baker further outside and give his D a chance to recover—Gordon is probably five yards closer to the LOS and in less space if the edge is held.

That's happened a half-dozen times or so and Michigan has gotten gashed outside because of it. He suffered this fate a couple more times but got away with it.

Problem two is just regular freshman stuff like running zone when everyone else is running man. BWS picture-paged this play for a fuller explanation*; here's the video:

That is a great playcall. Michigan blitzes up the middle, gets a free runner, and has two guys dropping off into mesh-annihilating inside man coverage; MSU runs mesh. This play perfectly beats MSU's; it's the definition of RPS+2. This should be an incompletion or a sack and a punt but Ryan runs zone coverage and Cunningham gets open.

I have a dream that someday Michigan will not have freshmen on the field. That day is 2013 at the earliest.

All that said, Ryan came out positive for constricting a bunch of power plays and not being exploitable on the edge after the first drive. That spot has come a long way from early in the season when Ryan and Beyer were taking turns being in the wrong place on power.

*[I strongly disagree with the conclusion there. The play is more about the dangers of freshmen than zone blitzing—it is clear that Roh and Ryan are supposed to get inside of presumed drag routes by the TE and Cunningham. Roh does this beautifully and if Ryan had done the same not-very-difficult thing Cousins has nowhere to go before Morgan annihilates him. The play is specifically designed to get Cousins looking at mesh—blitz up the middle—without opening it up.]

The outside running, then?

I don't think the guys on the line played egregiously.

Michigan got formation'd quite a bit. This was the setup on that Baker run that was a long gainer until he fumbled:

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This screams outside run to the right: offset FB, TE lined up a couple yards outside the tackle, WR tight to the LOS. This makes it easy for the offense to seal Roh and Morgan by blocking down. It's up to the linebackers to recognize this and haul ass or slip blocks and then it's up to the secondary to come down hard on that; they didn't. On this play Morgan is looking at the backfield and gets blindsided by a WR; by the time Baker bursts up the line most of the DL is closer to the sideline than he is. This is a pitch, too, so Gordon needs to be reading this faster.

It's a combination of things but the primary thing is the linebackers are hesitant and that makes them late when plays go outside.

What's wrong with Martin?

I don't know. I saw him blown off the ball in this game several times, something that does not happen. That could be your toughness issue.

Why can't we jump snaps like MSU did?

There were a couple instances on which Michigan did but I think that's part of football. The frequency with which MSU got M is unusual. One difference I did notice is that Michigan's standard count was much quicker than MSU's. Here's a shotgun play on MSU's ultimately unsuccessful first-half two minute drill:

Head down, head up, pause, see LB lined up over your face, snap. Michigan tips the blitz and MSU hits them with an easy drag.

What is the deal with the linebackers?

They seem uncertain of themselves. While I keep moaning about over-aggressive opponent LBs that are exploitable if we hit them with play action—big if—that may be a perception magnified by Michigan's slow-ass LBs. I mean, what is this?

Demens lets the guy outside and an unblocked Hawthorne slows up as if a cutback is coming when a cutback is definitely not coming. We saw them similarly unable to read outside plays against Northwestern. WLB was always going to be a sore spot but I thought Demens would be more of a playmaker than he is. Maybe that's yet more hesitancy born of constantly changing systems.

Was that a lateral?

Holy hell, yes. It was a full yard backwards and there's a ref right there who blows it dead. That is a free touchdown on a drive that would end up in Michigan's endzone. That is the biggest, easiest, most awful call that's gone against Michigan in a long time.

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Heroes?

It's hard to find anyone who played really well but Van Bergen was the best player on the day, consistently making good reads and staying on his feet.

Goats?

No one was awful, either, but Hawthorne played badly enough to get yanked for a similarly mediocre Morgan; Martin had his worst day that can't be blamed on an injury in a long, long time.

What does it mean for Purdue and beyond?

I don't think we learned a whole lot on a day when the wind and Michigan's offense made the opponent even more conservative than they usually are. There are obvious edge issues, but we knew that. Ryan is an erratic freshman slowly improving. Knew that. WLB weak spot, secondary vastly improved but still just okay, etc.

Two things on the line: Roh appears to have solidly reclaimed his starting spot from Black and Martin's play was a little disturbing considering the Iowa/Nebraska/OSU B1G MANBALL lineup coming later in the season.

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October 20th, 2011 at 2:48 PM | 5 plays out of the Bear 46 (Score:2)
JeepinBen
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In my diary I mentioned that I didn't think we saw more of the 46 because tempting Cousins and Cunningham with 1-on-1 all day was a recipe for disaster. I'll be interested to see if we run a lot of 46 vs. teams without 5th year QBs and NFL ready wideouts... (OSU better be ready for some Bear)

But by my count it was successful. Plays of -1, -3, 2, Penalty, 3 yards on the day... I wonder if we'll see it more

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:31 PM | Agree (Score:1)
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I expect to see a lot of Bear against OSU and Nebraska for that matter.

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:40 PM | could the success be due to (Score:1)
MileHighWolverine
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could the success be due to the weather?  Makes it harder to exploit 1 on 1?

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October 20th, 2011 at 2:30 PM | Confused/pretty sure I disagree with you (Score:0 Overrated)
The Nicker
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While I agree that the lateral call was a big miss, you refer to it as a "free touchdown" when there is pretty much no way we get more than 5 yards -- if any -- on a fumble return on that play. There were MSU players all around the ball at the time they blew the play dead.

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October 20th, 2011 at 2:52 PM | Martin's the only one who can (Score:4 Normal)
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Martin's the only one who can make the play and he's already getting blocked.  Avery picks that up and scores easy.

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:22 PM | Didn't MSU score on this (Score:1)
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Didn't MSU score on this drive after the whistled dead issue? I think this play was a big time swing in points. MSU doesn't get a score and we would have had a shot.

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October 20th, 2011 at 4:26 PM | they did (Score:2)
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The score went from 14-14 to 21-7 on that play if you assume that Michigan returns the fumble for a touchdown. 

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:24 PM | Really? (Score:1)
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You must be watching a different play.

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October 20th, 2011 at 5:05 PM | And all those players were (Score:2 Normal)
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And all those players were engaging Michigan players for what they thought was a screen that was about to run by them. If the ref doesn't blow that dead and Avery picks it up to run full speed like he would have...well Martin is the only player who would immediately know about the turnover. By the time the other receivers heard the crowd reaction/sideline yelling Avery would have had at least a 5-7 yard jump on them. A 5-7 yard jump where he's going full speed and they are accelerating from 0, I definitely like his chances on that run back

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October 20th, 2011 at 2:38 PM | disagree on "lateral" (Score:-1 Overrated)
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As much as I wish the sad kitten throw were a lateral, I don't see how you can call it that given that replay-- the key is where the ball is when it leaves the QB's hands and where it is when it hits the turf.  It's really clear from that video that it leaves Cousins's evil Sparty hand at the 37 and eventually touches down at the 38.  The actual trajectory has a curve to it, as Cousins did originally throw it slightly backwards, but the wind must have adjusted the ball's flight forwards before it could hit the ground.  So I'd blame the Michigan-hating Sparty God of Trash Wind rather than the refs for that event.

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October 20th, 2011 at 2:45 PM | disagree (Score:5 Normal)
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It doesn't matter where the ball hits the turf, it matters where it hits the receiver.  Cousins throws from the 37 and it hits the WR about a quarter of the way from the 36 to the 37.  So it went 2+ feet backwards.  Where it eventually lands is irrelevant once it's touched by a receiver.

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:08 PM | Kilgore is right (Score:1)
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It's QB's hand to the direction the ball is travelling as it exits his hand. It moves a full yard backwards. I was livid at this BS Incompletion call. This was So obviously a backwards pass at full speed I couldn't believe the whistle was blown.

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:17 PM | it doesn't touch the receiver! (Score:-1 Trolling)
Dr. McJustice
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seriously, watch it closely, the wind catches it and pushes it forward.  Watch it in slow motion, whatever, it doesn't touch the wideout.

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:27 PM | disagree (Score:3 Normal)
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I'm pretty confident it hits the receiver.  It goes from a tight spiral moving backwards to end over end going forward at the exact point of the receiver.  I'm comfortable saying it hit the receiver right in the hands.

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:34 PM | unless Phil Niekro threw that ball (Score:1)
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(or Tim Wakefield for those of you under 30), that ball definitely hit the receiver. Look at the change of direction. For that to have been wind aided, the wind would have had to blow so hard that it would have knocked the press box off the top of the stadium

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:35 PM | Um...yes it does. Indisputably. (Score:1)
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Like, very much indisputably. The wind does not cause sudden shifts in a footballs pattern, unless there's a sudden gust, but it would have to be a very very strong gust. And in any event, you would have to claim that the sudden gust occurs right at the time that the ball clearly hits the receivers hand in the video...which is absurd.

In any event, watch it in HD and there is undeniable evidence that it starts to go end over end BECAUSE it hit the receiver's hands.

In short, if you really believe what you say, you are either blatantly wrong or trolling for the sake of trolling.

I'm not a lunatic. Seriously, i'm not.

Ok, maybe just a little bit. 

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:36 PM | are you drunk?  It hits (Score:1)
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are you drunk?  It hits martin in his hands and tumbles forward.  Too bad they called this dead so quickly..  and there is no way if avery picks this up and runs for a TD that anyone catches him..  we have already seen his speed on the fumble return

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:37 PM | The fuck? Obvious troll is (Score:2)
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The fuck?

Obvious troll is obvious?

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:39 PM | Are you (Score:1)
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Are you sure?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZjNuxXw2iwE#!&t=6m40s

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:58 PM | thanks (Score:-1 Trolling)
Dr. McJustice
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Thanks joeyb, that's a better shot and it did hit the receiever.  Less helpful is El Jeffe.

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October 20th, 2011 at 9:10 PM | Hold up. Your posts suggested (Score:2)
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Hold up. Your posts suggested you carefully examined the footage. What footage were you looking at that wasn't clear? It was beyond obvious that the ball hit Martin. Less obvious was the backwardness of it, but that wasn't the point you were making.

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October 21st, 2011 at 12:13 AM | I was looking, several times, (Score:-1 Redundant)
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I was looking, several times, at the youtube clip posted in the section discussing the lateral-- if you watch it, I think it really does not look like the receiver touches it in live action (even trying to pause it)-- but the TV freeze-frame that joeyb posted shows a clear touch.  I couldn't watch the game on TV so I never saw the freeze frame.  

I don't especially appreciate being voted a troll for an honest opinion.  It doesn't speak especially well of the board culture.  There's nothing in my posts that indicates I'm less than sincere, which I am.  Thanks to joeyb and some of the other commenters for their comments.

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October 21st, 2011 at 2:46 PM | I saw it live, so I knew it (Score:1)
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I saw it live, so I knew it was touched, but the video linked in the section above was not definitive. That's why I went to the higher definition video from MGoVideo. You do come across as very argumentative, though.

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October 20th, 2011 at 2:47 PM | Tipped (Score:2 Normal)
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But it only touches down at the 38 because it hits the State WR in the hands behind where the ball left Cousin's hand. By rule that is a laterall and should have been a fumble.

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October 20th, 2011 at 2:55 PM | I disagree with your disagree (Score:1)
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The key is not where it hits the turf; it's where it hits something, and in this case, the something is the receiver. A ball that goes backward, hits a receiver, and bounces forward does not become a forward pass, unless you are a Big Ten ref and are thus unfamiliar with such concepts as 19-2-a:

A forward pass is determined by the point where the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official or anything beyond the spot of the pass. All other passes are backward passes.

The ball in this case first strikes a player, but behind the spot of the pass, and is thus a backward pass.

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October 20th, 2011 at 2:37 PM | In regards to the cut block on Ryan (Score:2)
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Was he getting all day like that?  Anyway, the first one looks like he was not expecting to get cut.  With that being the case, he appears to actually be playing the full back pretty well, coming hard and positioning himself to take on a block on the inside shoulder and blow up the fullback, which would effectively force the back inside.  His other cuts may look different, but this one I would say was more surprise than technique.

Deep under cover in THE enemy's territory

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:18 PM | What is the counter move that (Score:1)
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What is the counter move that Ryan is supposed to employ when being hit with a cut block?

Man ball. Formerly, somebody else.

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:20 PM | I think it is a little easier (Score:2)
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I think it is a little easier as a defensive lineman because you shoot/use your hands a lot more.  I think the basic idea is simply shoot your hands, and if your man is trying to cut you push down on him to keep yourself upright.  Not very complex, but requires good hand technique, and definitely harder for a linebacker coming up to stuff a block.

Deep under cover in THE enemy's territory

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October 20th, 2011 at 2:40 PM | ENOUGH (Score:-1 Normal)
TXmaizeNblue
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Enough bitching about the uniforms already.  

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October 20th, 2011 at 2:55 PM | enough bitching about the (Score:5 Normal)
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enough bitching about the bitching about the uniforms already

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October 24th, 2011 at 10:47 AM | ha (Score:0 Flamebait)
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i'm glad you've finally realized that encouraging a bunch of grown men to cry about how their football players are dressed like a bunch of little girls worrying over their barbies has turned out badly.

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October 20th, 2011 at 2:57 PM | No (Score:0 Normal)
profitgoblue
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You can't tell use what to do, especially since those uniforms looked terrible.  In fact, they look even worse now, re-watching these clips.  So there!

 

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October 20th, 2011 at 2:42 PM | These numbers are a lot better (Score:1)
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Than expected. I was expecting way more negatives.

Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.

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October 20th, 2011 at 2:54 PM | Keep in mind that a zero from (Score:3 Normal)
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Keep in mind that a zero from a DL is not good -- it's kind of the equivalent of averaging 3 YPC.

Also, the D didn't do that terribly. I think they got a bit lucky with the fumbles but 21 points and 333 yards isn't  bad even considering the conditions.

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:36 PM | And (Score:1)
msoccer10
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It could have been even better with a little luck (or refereeing). As bad as our offense was for this game the defense gave me hope that the coaching staff is making the team better overall.

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October 20th, 2011 at 2:44 PM | MM (Score:1)
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I have thought that MM has been a non-factor pretty much all season. When's the last sack he recorded?

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October 20th, 2011 at 2:47 PM | He has played well all (Score:4 Normal)
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He has played well all season.  As a nose guard playing a shade, you are expected to draw a double team just about every play.  If you can hold the double without letting one man release upfield and NOT give up any ground, you have done your job.  You are not expected to make tackles, but rather open up tackles for the linebackers (unless you don't get double teamed, then you should be disrupting).

Deep under cover in THE enemy's territory

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October 20th, 2011 at 2:52 PM | I agree, however (Score:1)
GetSumBlue
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MSU's tackles were in the backfield quite often.

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October 20th, 2011 at 2:56 PM | jumping the snap, as they (Score:1)
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jumping the snap, as they have been for 3 years in a row now.

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:02 PM | That's because they were (Score:1)
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That's because they were getting single-blocked.

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:04 PM | Martin (Score:3 Normal)
Needs
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He's also had a player next to him that no one has really had to worry about. I admire Heininger, but he's been easily blockable all year. Mysterious that Campbell didn't really play.

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October 20th, 2011 at 2:49 PM | It is possible to be a "factor" on DL without recording sacks (Score:2 Normal)
Phil.engin2011
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*

(factor == parentheses since it is a fuzzy term)

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:03 PM | Pretty promising UFR. If Ryan (Score:1)
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Pretty promising UFR. If Ryan and Roh are playing smarter on the ends ( a problem area heretofore) teams will find it increasingly difficult to gash the D on outside runs. I think this could also have a domino effect on the secondary: It is easier to teach the LB's and DB's how to defend outside runs, if the DL is forcing the opposition to run to areas dictated by the D.

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:05 PM | Mike Martin and MANball (Score:1 Normal)
profitgoblue
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IMO, if there is anyone on the defensive side of the ball that will rise to the occasion and play MANball for the remaining of the season, its Mike Martin.  I'm not sure how many of you know D-1 level wrestlers, but they are as hardcore as an athlete can be.  Maybe he just had an off day against MSU (unfortunate timing, but it is what it is).

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:07 PM | Martin's (relative) troubles (Score:2)
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Would he be having a better season if he was the three-tech?  His agility (or what I perceive to be his agility) seems well-suited to that position...Don't get me wrong - I realize that there isn't anyone to play NT if Martin plays the three.  I just wonder. 

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra

                         

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:28 PM | Woolfolk (Score:1)
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From our first KO of the first game (WMU) I said, "Why in the hell is Woolfolk out there?" He has been hurt twice during KO coverage.

With our situation at DB what were the coaches thinking??

And, they put him back out there after his first injury.

AAARRRRGGGHHHHHH

It would be nice to have him healthy.

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:31 PM | Countess (Score:0 Trolling)
profitgoblue
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Call me crazy, but I'm pretty excited about seeing Countess out there. Its definitely too bad that it comes at Woolfolk's expense, but I think Countess could be very good one day and its good to get him some experience now, during the "retooling" year.

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:40 PM | I agree, no offense, but (Score:1)
switch26
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I agree, no offense, but woolfolk isn't going to give us anything that Countess can't give us right now.

 

Countess is as good now as ive seen woolfolk in all the years he has been there.  Woolfolk may be a little better hitter than Countess, but since he is hurt so much this year he hasn't really been hitting anyone.  

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:30 PM | I'm somewhat relieved... (Score:2)
NiMRODPi
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by what the UFR shows. Perhaps time has sufficiently removed me from the suffering (though it was my birthday so that was a bummer )to look at the game objectively. What Brian points out seem to be correctable mistakes and taken on a whole, it looks to me our guys got a bit of the jitters more than anything else. I'm really concerned about Woolfolk though. I thought he looked a little bothered in the Northwestern game and against MSU it seemed even more pronounced. Is that the competition getting stronger or some nagging injuries getting worse?

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October 20th, 2011 at 3:30 PM | And yet another facemask (Score:4 Normal)
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And yet another facemask twist that didn't get caught.  Watch MSU's TE tackle Kovacs by the facemask on this play at the 8 sec mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aDJBT-fjsMg#t=8s

 

 

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