It took Harbaugh until year 3 to turn around a program in shambles?
Since we've learned that's not nearly good enough, I'd have to say pass.
Via the Shredder.
No worries, but you'll still worry. These days there are many emails I get that fit neatly into categories. One category: "oh noes Devin Gardner!" All I can tell folk concerned that Gardner might decommit is that he is asked about the strength of his commitment every ten seconds and has not yet deviated from strongly endorsing it. Two more examples, one from MGoBlog recruiting analyst Tom VanHaaren on the twitters:
QB Devin Gardner told me tonight that the Florida rumors going around are not true. Everyone take a collective sigh of relief.
Gardner says "I'm listening to what they have to say, but I'm still solidly with Michigan" in another article from The Sporting News that notes he has no plans to visit anywhere else. As long as that remains the case, you should not panic. If he does visit, panic.
This will not dissuade hardcore worriers, but there's literally nothing short of signing a LOI—it appears that Gardner will not enroll early, unfortunately—that will do that.
HE MUST BE PUNISHED SEVERELY. I'm normally pretty libertarian when it comes to arbitrary restrictions imposed because we must Think Of The Children and care zero percent about the various MIPs and assorted citations that football players pick up when they do what everyone else in college does. Live and let die, man.
However, in this case I recommend no less than a one-game suspension:
Terrelle Pryor! At a bar! He's 20! Someone arrest him at the state line. Do it for your country.
What's with the jerkery? At this point we're forced to confront the fact that Rich Rodriguez going bust after four—or even three—years is a real possibility, so the actions of one Jim Harbaugh at Stanford are of considerable interest. You're probably aware that Stanford has just finished beating Pete Carroll's head in, causing this terse postgame exchange to occur:
"What's your deal? What's your deal?" Carroll said, according to two sources near enough to hear.
"What's your deal?" Harbaugh retorted, and that was that.
Ah, the You Can't Do That On Television defense. Excellent work after thoroughly sliming the opponent. Carroll could have been referencing any number of things, but the "go for two up 48-21, miss it, get it back, and score again" sequence was probably the reason Carroll became verrrrry un-Dude in the aftermath. If Rodriguez does indeed flame out, Harbaugh will be the first name on many lips, and he will be a deeply strange candidate to consider.
On the one hand: Harbaugh turned around a non-scholarship I-AA program, took Stanford from the 1-11 Walt Harris debacle to 7-3 in year three with consecutive wins over Oregon and USC, and has a family coaching tree a mile long. His 2009 recruiting class finished 20th nationally according to Rivals, the first time in forever that Stanford has peeked into the top 25. Walt Harris's last class was #50. Assuming continued progress on the Farm—likely since his quarterback is a redshirt freshman—he's going to have a hell of a resume.
On the other hand, he's a kind of a big jerk. When he got to Stanford he immediately pissed off Pete Carroll by suggesting he was headed for the NFL—twice. He then trashed Michigan's academics and caused this site to pen a bombastically-titled post called "Destroy Harbaugh." He also picked up a DUI in 2005. Then there was the two-point stunt last weekend. These are not isolated incidents.
Are the items in the latter group enough to disqualify a guy who is almost certainly going to be a, if not the, grade A candidate? I don't know. Probably not something to consider seriously until we get a verdict on Rodriguez.
Warren departure? As expected, Donovan Warren is definitely going to look at his NFL options after the season:
“Definitely I’m going to look into it as far as where I stand,” Warren said. “If it’s the best thing to do for my family then I’ll just have to decide that. But if it’s not then I’ll definitely be here helping Michigan.”
Definitely. If Warren projects as a mid-round pick, as an NFL scout who talked to AnnArbor.com claimed, that would probably mean a return. Caveat: I think Warren's better than that and the scout did not break down his film, he just offered an off-the-cuff appraisal.
It took Harbaugh until year 3 to turn around a program in shambles?
Since we've learned that's not nearly good enough, I'd have to say pass.
1-11 vs 9-4. Not exactly apples to apples.
...but the 9-4 wasn't exactly a clear indicator of the returning talent level, either.
nor was harbaugh faced with a scheme change as drastic as the one rodriguez instituted.
Actually there's clear signs of progression in both year 1 and year 2. And given where Stanford was in year 0, I'd say he achieved "turnaround" status the first year.
Not that that says anything about Michigan.
Now and forever, I will imagine Pryor's voice as that of Tyson.
[flowery voice] "Everyone does .... kills people, murder people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever."
Doesn't much matter when its done, or in what context, anyone who uses Pryor's everyone murders quote will always get a +1 from me
But can't everybody see what Pryor has done? By defining delinquincy as something somewhat south of murder, he makes a little underage drinking seem like not so much a big deal. (And, btw, it isn't, is it?)
Anyway, it's not like he was hitting the wieght room beyond the NCAA-prescribed limitations on such activities. . .
rodriguez' comment: "without an open date"
that's something i've been wondering for a couple weeks now, whether the lack of an off-week has hurt us lately. yes, baby seal u and all that, but they didn't have any off days from practice that week, either. typically, i think the team has a weekday off during a bye week (and sometimes the actual saturday as well, although not every season), and they haven't had that this year. it's been a 7-day-a-week job for a while now. of course some of the kids have burned out. have you ever seen a michigan team more in need of a few days off?
also: denard robinson "refused to talk?" what's that about? has that been discussed at all?
I'm sure they could have taken a day or two off before Baby Seal U if the coaches felt it was needed.
If I'm not mistaken, the guy in the picture with Pryor is Corey Brown - who is also under age.
Not that I really care if they're in a bar, but I guess Pryor isn't the only "guilty" one on the team.
I'm not sure why Brian made that the source, but FYI, the Forcier link is to a Freep article.
Also, a couple of my non-Michigan friends who watched a couple of Michigan games offered up their unbiased opinion on Warren (I believe them, but they are just crazy NFL fans, and not professionals in any manor) agreed with the mid round (3-5) range for Warren.
On another topic, the problem for Pryor is that he hangs out with dudes who wear Ed Hardy shirts.
Wearing an Ed Hardy shirt = instant douche. Can anyone say Jon from "Jon & Kate + 8"
I don't know how that happened. I meant to point to the News. It now does that.
+1, you beat me to it.
Ed Hardy is on par with "Git 'R Done" with me. You sport or say either and we can no longer be friends, seriously.
I flunk my high school students if they say "Git 'R Done" at any point in my class. It's a harsh lesson, but necessary.
The legal age to get into a bar in OH is 18. Now, if he had a beer in his hand that's another story.
According to "The Little Bar" website it's 21 and up.
Check out the About page- second paragraph.
And a gun, and a vile of crack. I strongly suggest you look at the picture again and again until you see it(its like one of those sailboats), as well as I strongly suggest he be suspended for Nov 21st immediately.
Also, the girl he's got his arm around is Jim Tressel's daughter and you can see track marks on his arm.
And she's underage. 13 at most.
seems to have a wristband on that says "I Am Grea..." cant see the end of it but assuming its great.
Take a second look I think the weed and beer is very obvious!
Excellent job! I didn't check the little bar website but the legal age to enter a bar in OH is 18, unless you're Pryor I guess.
On what bar he was in. Some bars down there are 21 and older only. I haven't been down there in ages so I'm not if that's one or not because I don't recognize the background.
2008, in their first 7 Big Ten games Michigan scored 170 points.
And this year in their first 7 Big Ten games M has scored...
I think my morale has hit a new low point.
me nervous for the future, the fact that our offensive numbers arent as improving as many of us think.
Shit, we were scoring that much last year? I don't remember any of it through the thick haze, but had assumed we averaged single digits or something, since our defense can't be any better this year...
An Ed Hardy shirt on an OSU player? Well I never.
Think his wristband says? "I am gr.." Great? Greedy? Grammatically Incompetent?
Maybe its just a statement of intent or action. I am grabbing her boob.
I am graciously throwing another interception.
"Coach Tressel says..."
and the other side says
"I am granting no more interviews"
Its a reminder.
"Green" Pryor is a rabid environmentalist.
he's no Mic Jagger.
Harbaugh is a MICHIGAN MAN. It makes sense he has special ability. Hiring him will obviously do the following:
1. Give Obi Ezeh the ability to tackle and defense the pass.
2. Give Jonas Mouton the awareness to not over run everything.
3. Give Mike Williams some ability in the area of pass coverage.
4. Lower Kovacs 40 time to sub 4.4.
5. Cure the Big East myth of "Freshman mistakes"
6. Eliminate turnovers for anyone wearing maize and blue.
7. Make sure M never accepts another 3 star recruit.
8. Stop--and reverse--global warming.
9. Cure feline aids.
10. Eliminate the "rookie holdout" by giving a salary structure to 1st year players in the NFL.
11. Change the public perception of the Big11Ten to a "power conference"
Am I missing anything?
Suddenly turn all Ann Arbor coeds into the hottest poon in all of the NCdoubleA, including our smart set of cheerleaders. Florida and USC can suck it.
He doesn't need to cure feline AIDS.
If he could just teach those motherfuckers how to spell for crissakes, I'd be on board.
Not that I'm advocating for the hiring of Harbaugh, but why is the fact that he may be a jerk necessarily a bad thing? Lloyd's grandfatherly charm aside, I don't really see a problem in a coach being a bit dickish, so long as he cares about his players and his program.
but i do care that similar "dickish" antics conducted by RR, such as getting Roundtree at the last minute from Purdue, screaming at players on the sideline, etc. are brought up as reasons for why RR doesnt fit as a "Michigan Man." Such bullshit.
transferring from Michigan.
Is this a serious concern?
I haven't heard anything about him being unhappy, and given that Gardner is almost definitely going to redshirt I'd imagine that Robinson will keep splitting time with Forcier, especially if he can get the "throwing" part of the job down.
As far as I can tell, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Robinson is considering transferring, especially at this point. People are just assuming things and throwing out wild guesses. You have to keep in mind that he wanted to play quarterback, and Michigan was one of the only schools who said they would keep him in that position. For him to transfer would likely mean no longer being used as a quarterback, or dropping into a much less competitive area.
Excellent analysis. Thank you for providing detailed insight into this topic. Your use of evidence, may that be statistical data or anecdotes, has really convinced me that this is a possibility.
I'm pretty sure you can say you're worried about whatever you want without showing that your worries are justified. Note there's no claim that anything is or is not going to happen.
I'm worried that Tate is going find Jesus, transfer to ND, and proceed to win 3 consecutive Heismans and MNCs.
So, you say "im worried about x." Now what? If you don't provide any context or justification, then you haven't added anything to the conversation. What you've done, essentially, is just added noise. We don't post comments just to create noise, we should try to add value. There is enough noise on the internet.
This is kind of the whole basis for this blog's existence; to create signal through all the noise that's out there. Comments like "LOL Brandon Graham is so good he's going to clobber tO$U" don't fit here. Either do random thoughts. We're trying to grow intelligent conversation here, not just wild speculation.
So yes, you can say you're worried about whatever you want. But you shouldn't. Unless you're gonna add something worthwhile in addition. So instead of "I worried about x.", you say "I'm worried about x, and here's why..."
I'm not saying I don't like Markus, but he knows better. He runs a fantastic blog, so he knows all about providing context. People don't read his blog because he writes single line posts, they read it because he provides excellent analysis.
Warren is rated as the 2nd best junior CB. But, of course, it's Mel Kiper who has rated him this. If I had to guess, Warren would be ranked somewhere between the 5th to 10th best CB. Is that mid round? Who knows.
Then you have Ezeh as his 4th best junior ILB and Schilling as the 4th best OG, behind Boren at #2, according to Kiper.
edit: Then you have McShay and his group of 'evaluators' ranking Warren as the 44th best overall prospect, ahead of BG at 47. Umm, no.
I guess McShay is using the semi-finalist lists for the postseason awards to inform his decisions.
might sign DW to a minor league baseball contract and send him to C-bus.
Okay, not that worried.
..might put up a very convincing case for the ND job if he gets a chance.
I was wondering about that after the Stanford-USC outcome. They'll be looking for a giant slayer with some kind of collegiate background. I like him at ND more than Brian Kelly. It would definitely ramp up the UM-ND rivalry.