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By Brian — November 25th, 2008 at 6:24 PM — 30 comments

Programming note: Regular posting tomorrow; blog is off Thursday and Friday. UFR will appear early next week; I'm not going to bother with the pointless fourth quarter.

Basketball, yo. Michigan plays Norfolk State tonight at 8:30 at Crisler. Students get in free; citizens get in for a buck with a couple of canned goods. Go, man, and get in on the ground floor of the Beilein Era.

Go.

Go to the basketball game.

Hey, score. So I'm tooling around looking for Washington fans with guns to their temple for This Week In Schadenfreude (tons of hilarious ND content this week, BTW)when I stumble across this on the redshirt status of Jake Locker:

"There is a new tweak to the rule where if you haven't played in 30 percent of the game, you qualify," [UW athletic director for compliance & student development John] Morris said.

Thirty percent would be 3.6 games and, according to Morris, the NCAA rounds up. Given that Locker was hurt in the fourth game of the season, he would qualify on that hand.

(Locker is out of luck because he took a non-injury redshirt as a freshman, FTR.)

The relevance of this to Michigan? Wide receiver Junior Hemingway played in four games before he was sidelined with mono, and under the old rules (25%) would have been SOL as far as a redshirt goes. If Morris is correct, and it's his job to be correct here, Hemingway should get a redshirt and will enter 2009 a sophomore.

What went down. There's been a moderate amount of consternation about that first quarter scuffle on the Michigan sidelines between Charles Stewart and some dude who looks like Morpheus:

morpheus-dude

Morpheus turns out to be a low-level strength and conditioning coach, which prompts many questions. Such as:

  • Why is that guy even on the sidelines?
  • What possible business does he have yanking Charles Stewart's facemask?
  • Is he a big Lawrence Fishburne fan or what?

Spawn of M Zone has a breakdown of the breakdown so complete in its comprehensiveness there is nothing further to say. Weird.

He's at it again. Would you believe there was another article about how the spread is dead featuring everyone's favorite spread-hating, always-incorrect television analyst? Of course you would. If newspapers are good for anything it's mind-numbing repetition. Here's Gary Danielson again:

"I said in September that Michigan would be the last major program that goes to the spread," CBS football analyst Gary Danielson said. "I'm sure it's always going to be there for the MAC schools and schools like Kansas and Purdue. But at the top of the food chain, I don't see why you'd risk it. Michigan has really painted itself into a corner."

The article actually says "The spread is, in fact, dead."

The top fifteen offenses in total yardage read like this: spread, spread, Oklahoma, spread 4x, Nebraska, spread 4x, ULL, spread 2x. The best offense in the SEC (Florida): spread. The best offense in the Pac-10 (Oregon): spread. The best offense in the Big Ten (Penn State): spread. The best offense in the Big 12: Oklahoma with Texas Tech, Missouri, and Oklahoma State three of the next four slots nationally. The best offense in the Big East (USF): spread. That's five of six BCS conferences. (Florida State is the leader in the ACC.)

Aaaaaaaargh! So stupid make brain ouch.

go-ndHa ha ha ha hahahahahahaha ha.  The one bit of sunshine on Saturday was the stunning announcement by a friend that Notre Dame had managed to lose to Syracuse and pelt their own players with snowballs, causing Pat Kuntz to challenge the Notre Dame student section to a fight. Which… like… awesome.

NDNation would like to remind you that these things don't happen at Notre Dame, so this didn't happen. (FWIW, BGS says the snowball thing was overblown.)

At the time I tried to point out that the Notre Dame game was a turnover and big-play-filled fluke fest in which Michigan kind of sort of looked like a better team if they could cut out the zillion turnovers. ND was one of the few teams Michigan outgained significantly. If you asked me to bet on a rematch, I'd have bet on Michigan. Etc. Etc. That still applies; unfortunately the reason is not "Michigan is better than you think!"

This seems like the end for Weis; even the hardcore Weis fans who say things like "Never before have I found a head coach of Notre Dame so relatable"—which, like, wow, I hope I never find myself at a dinner party with that guy—are calling for his head on a platter.

Will they get it? If the rumors flying about Weis' buyout are correct, no. Because the rumors suggest the Notre Dame athletic department has done something so dumb even people given to think the Notre Dame athletic department is run by these guys…

…must be astounded. Check it, emphasis mine:

The buyout is roughly as secretive as Joe Paterno’s Penn State coaching contract, but it’s believed that it would cost north of $15 million buy out Weis. (As the New York Times’ Pete Thamel notes, it’s not clear if the number for hiring the coach away versus firing him.)

I can read this a thousand different places and I don't think I'll believe it until Notre Dame announces Weis will return for 2009, but there you go.

A note: if Notre Dame does axe Weis there will be an opportunity to pick up a recruit or two. Michigan was involved with WR Shaquelle Evans and OLs Zach Martin, Chris Watt, and Alex Bullard before they committed. (Bullard's finalists were M, ND, and Tennesse, so if he's choosing based on his relationship with the coaching staff, or on, you know, having one, we're in good shape.) They also took a look at WR/DB Nyshier Oliver after his Tennessee decommit. Oh, and DT Theo Riddick is a teammate of Anthony LaLota.

(Cheerleader via the Wiz.)

Things that are not true unless you want attention. This has been bugging me as well:

…many in the media have taken the most losses in school history statistic to equate to worst season ever. The front page of this morning’s Ann Arbor News contained two items making this claim:

  • A headline (below the fold) reads, “An epitaph for 2008: Wolverines’ worst“.
  • In the lead column, columnist Pete Bigelow writes, “On his watch, the Wolverines careened to the worst season in their 129-year history..”

Defend this! Saying it doesn’t make it so, these statements should be qualified. I went over this last week but it’s not going away and the two mentions on the front page of the News put me over the top. It’s clear that the nine loss number is what people are keying on, and I could see an outlet like ESPN running with that. But the News?

Ah, yes, the News. Tirelessly stalwart friend of the program. For the record, Michigan had a worse winning percentage in 1962, 1936, and 1934. I don't think the people at the News are too stupid to divide, so the conclusion is they wish to sensationalize the matter for a short-term burst of attention.

For the record, MVictors selects 1934 as the worst year in program history. Michigan was 1-7; in the previous four years they had won two national championships and four conference titles. In eight games Michigan was shut out five times and scored just twenty-one points.

So take heart, Michigan fans. This isn't even the worst season in the last eighty years.

Etc.: Unsurprisingly, Michigan leads a select group of top teams in one-score games over the… uh… duration of the Richt era at UGA; AC1997 lays out the case for optimism in the diaries; undies22 recaps the season. (Hint, guys: use some section headers to break up the wall of text.) Also, Jonathan Chait has an entertaining review of Rosenberg's book.

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November 25th, 2008 at 6:36 PM | No, but remember almost (Score:0)
chitownblue (not verified)

No, but remember almost beating USC with Tyrone Willingham's recruits? That was AWESOME! Totally worth the lifetime commitment.

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November 25th, 2008 at 6:37 PM | Hemmingway. Math. (Score:1)
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If he played 4 out of 12 games, isn't that 33%? Is that a typo? Did he only play 3? Did we play 16 games this season?

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November 25th, 2008 at 7:04 PM | From the block quote: "Thirty (Score:1)
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From the block quote: "Thirty percent would be 3.6 games and, according to Morris, the NCAA rounds up."

In other words, the NCAA rounds up to four games (even though 30% is only 3.6 games), so a player can still qualify for a medical redshirt by playing in no more than four games.

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November 25th, 2008 at 10:17 PM | The quote actually says (Score:1)
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The quote actually says "haven't played in 30%" which would mean, if you have played in 30% you can't redshirt. Rounding up the 3.6 games to 4 would mean that playing in 4 is playing in 30%.

However, he may have meant "haven't played in more than 30%" and I really hope that is the case.

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November 26th, 2008 at 9:19 AM | Medical Redshirts (Score:1)
DrDetroit
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Are rare, and most likely not possible to get one.

You do not get one immediately, you get one by applying for it after the completion of your career. IE after his 4th year he applies to get a 5th year of eligibility. If you have any playing time after the injury, (IE if you were hurt as a Sophomore and played your Junior and Senior year) the NCAA will say no.

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November 25th, 2008 at 7:22 PM | As the resident mathematician (Score:1)
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As the resident mathematician I concur with caveman lawyer.

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November 25th, 2008 at 8:07 PM | + 1 for WolvinLA ultimately (Score:1)
ameed
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+ 1 for WolvinLA ultimately being correct despite "SHIT."

Excellence is Good

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November 25th, 2008 at 8:12 PM | Thank you. With your +1 I'm (Score:1)
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Thank you. With your +1 I'm back up to about -16 or so.

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November 25th, 2008 at 6:38 PM | In the event the whale is beached . . . (Score:1)
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is it really likely that these recruits wanted to play for ND versus playing for Pear Bryant?

It seems that he is able to pull players despite his terrible person skills because kids still want to go to Notre Dame.

What is the history of defections from a coaching change there?

FWIW, I think Weis will not be fired this year. Lose to Michigan and this season, yes. I think the win over us gets us one more year of a decided schematic advantage.

our package is our package, and it’s pretty big. - Greg Mattison, Bowl Practice Presser Tr. 12-13-11.

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November 25th, 2008 at 6:40 PM | But he's recruited so much (Score:0)
chitownblue (not verified)

But he's recruited so much better than both Willingham and Davie. It can't all be the name of the school.

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November 25th, 2008 at 7:20 PM | Rosenberg's book (Score:1)
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Is really, really great. I know he can be an ass, but I really enjoyed seeing a new take on the tired old Ten Year War story. I'm giving it as a gift to at least three people this Christmas.

When your team is winning, be ready to be tough, because winning can make you soft. On the other hand, when your team is losing, stick by them. Keep believing. -- Bo Schembechler

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November 25th, 2008 at 7:23 PM | Can I be the fourth? (Score:1)
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Can I be the fourth?

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November 25th, 2008 at 7:31 PM | I was at the game (Score:1)
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The snowball incident was very definitely overblown by the media. I couldn't believe it when I saw "ND students take aim at players" headlines. The hated NBC commercial game-stopper guy and a fun-stopping cop were the targets. The very few snowballs that went near or hit players were either a) just bad throws or b) were thrown by a very very very small minority.
As for the Weis firing stuff, yea, this sucks. Not too many defending him now. I'm sad, please be nice to me.

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November 25th, 2008 at 7:57 PM | I can definitely respect (Score:1)
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I can definitely respect chucking anything and everything and the red-hat/red-gloves commercial guys. I've often wanted to chuck things at him...

I miss the days of marshmallow chucking myself. So awesome when they used to cover that whole corner of the endzone. Then you could shove a nickel in there and huck one really far...ahhh the glory days

Meeechingan Football 2011:  Now featuring ManBall™

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November 25th, 2008 at 7:38 PM | Gary Danielson (Score:1)
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is the biggest idiot ever. how in the world does he not know that the best offenses are the spread. he is always doing the Florida games and stuff. man he is an ass.

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November 25th, 2008 at 7:44 PM | Uhhhh...."Her Loyal (Score:1)
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Uhhhh...."Her Loyal Sons"....is there any lamer blog? The ongoing gag there is to follow the word "Michigan" with (Sucks!)....I mean, Jesus H man that is 1) stooopid and unoriginal and 2) not in any way, shape, or form funny.

Seriously, the "Notre Lame" people have more comedic ability in their pinkies then this guy.

No question, Jim.

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November 25th, 2008 at 8:39 PM | "so the conclusion is they wish a short-term burst of attention" (Score:1)
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Absolutely correct. I've several friends who are journalists in this state's paper of record and they regularly decry the out of context and over the top headlines that the headline writers (yep, there are separate headline writers, most journalists don't write their own headlines) create in an effort to drive clicks and web views that generate revenue.

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November 25th, 2008 at 8:46 PM | I was at the ND game (Score:1)
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I was at the ND game and BGS is correct. It was in no way a reaction to the loss, it started from the very beginning, and those throwing were interested in hitting everything and anything (the wide brimmed hats of state troopers, cheerleaders, camera men, empty spaces on the field).

It was definitely more prominent in the beginning and was probably at its peak when ND went up by 13 and looked to put the game away - because then people got bored.

On another note, I have been to about a dozen different venues for CFB, and ND's crowd is by far the worst I have seen. You think the Big House is quiet? Ha! I don't know whether it was just this season or this game, or what, but there was barely any noise during 3rd downs, it was like people weren't even paying attention (although it was absolutely freezing)

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November 25th, 2008 at 10:31 PM | Add Pat Forde to the list (Score:1)
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"Bust of the busts: Rich Rodriguez at Michigan, which plummeted from 9-4 to an all-time worst 3-9."

Of course he also wrote of Notre Dame:

"When the most ardent, enthusiastic and faithful student section in America uses its football team for in-game target practice, something has gone seriously wrong in South Bend."

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November 25th, 2008 at 10:41 PM | What went down (Score:1)
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regardless of who was involved it was an embarrassment, quit trying to candy coat it and act like since the coach involved was low level it was okay. It shows a lack of discipline and respect. Perhaps screaming at your players isn't the best way to get them to respect you.

Stymie2000

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November 25th, 2008 at 10:52 PM | Haven't you ever heard Bobby (Score:1)
Chrisgocomment
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Haven't you ever heard Bobby Knight lose it and yell: "I'M FUCKING TIRED OF LOSING TO PURDUE!!!"

R-E-S-P-E-C-T:

http://www.entertonement.com/clips/1397/NCAA-Basketball/Basketball/Bobby...

No question, Jim.

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November 26th, 2008 at 2:26 AM | Thanks for putting that back in my life. (Score:1)
medals
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I should probably remind myself to listen to that every 6 months or so. Fu*king awesome. I AM sick and tired of losing to Purdue!

Proud member of the 6/30/2008 circle of trust.

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November 26th, 2008 at 2:34 AM | just a couple things (Score:1)
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the "dude" wasn't a coach

2nd, when you make inflamatory type remarks with a handle created within the last day or two, people will usually take to not so seriously on this forum. this isn't like mlive where people can hit and run and get away with it. people actually have some sort of credibility around here.

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November 26th, 2008 at 9:05 AM | just a couple of things... (Score:1)
Stymie2000
Joined: 11/24/2008
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"Morpheus turns out to be a low-level strength and conditioning coach."

Excuse me for just discovering this site. When was the cutoff for signing on so that you could be considered credible? I do not see how my post was inflamatory. Sure, if I came on and said "MI sucks" then yes, I would have to agree with you. I made my post because I am concerned. Forgive the pun but I think many on this board see the world through rose colored glasses. To me , things do not look as good for MI and I think that a mistake has been made with the hiring of Rich. Please think before you bash.

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November 26th, 2008 at 11:00 AM | Michigan would have had (Score:1)
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a much better record this year with a coach that coddled the players and always used inside voices.

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November 26th, 2008 at 11:07 AM | You know, that's funny (Score:1)
Chrisgocomment
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You know, that's funny because I recently heard an interview with John Bacon, the author of "Bo's Lasting Lessons" and he joked about how Bo had "no idea what an inside voice was".

So, clearly, Bo would have won far more Rose Bowls and perhaps even a 'Ship if didn't yell so much. What a dick.

No question, Jim.

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November 25th, 2008 at 11:36 PM | A buddy of mine is extremely (Score:1)
wigeon
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A buddy of mine is extremely well connected at ND. The number he mentioned is 12.8 million. Suckers.

13 million to make the Downsie with the Front Butt go away. Stupefyingly horrible move by ND.

Fuck it, they deserve each other.

 

 

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November 26th, 2008 at 12:17 AM | Worst season in 46 years (Score:1)
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1962 was the last really horrible season Michigan has had, and it was worse than this year. Lower winning percentage (2-7), and four shutout losses. Two of those were by a score of 28-0 to teams whose names end in "State."

Where's Charlie Bauman when you need him?

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November 26th, 2008 at 12:19 AM | If ND really wanted Weis (Score:1)
MechE
Joined: 06/30/2008
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If ND really wanted Weis gone, they would have no problem footing the $13 million bill. They have plenty of boosters with very deep pockets. That said, I think Weis' strong recruiting efforts will buy him at least one more year. Further, I think ND will be able to turn in a respectable record next year that will take him off the hot seat.

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November 26th, 2008 at 10:01 AM | The most annoying part about (Score:1)
blueinwinston
Joined: 11/21/2008
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The most annoying part about Gary Danielson's ranting on the spread is listening to the guy stroke Florida's mushroom tip every Saturday. He's falling all over himself in an attempt to say as many great things as possible about Florida's offense then he turns around and drops the "spread is dead" stuff.

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