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By Brian — July 2nd, 2010 at 1:00 PM — 21 comments
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Bigger, grungier, made of scraped anger. I've been guessing somewhat wildly that Mike Martin will move away from the nose tackle spot he gamely tackled a year ago. It makes sense in a ton of different ways; Adam Patterson's weird move inside also provides circumstantial evidence. If that guess is correct, there's good* news about the defense's stoutness. FSU blog Tomahawk Nation took a look at the general relationship between enormous angry men close to the opponent quarterback an defensive success, finding quite a bit of it. They then draw an arbitrary line at 1780 pounds (which they say 'one' might argue is arbitrary, so chalk me up as one of the ones) and suggest that being below that line is bad.

They then commit a superior act of link-baiting by relating this post directly to the readers here:

I broke down the Wolverines separately.  Michigan comes in at 1828 lbs, which really bodes well for their defense performance this season.  Last year they had a front 7 of 1720 lbs.  Extremely impressive improvement and the second largest we have seen (Mississippi State +120).  Even more so considering the move to a 3-3-5 hybrid.

Best,
Bud Elliott

That does assume that Brandon Graham is getting replaced by Will Campbell. (The three returning starters adding about twenty pounds each seems assured.) If that's the case, Michigan's front 3.5 can hang with anyone on a pure beef level; with Barwis's emphasis on good weight they should be even better on the BEEFCAKE level.

The secondary? Ask again later. Maybe Tomahawk Nation will come up with a way to make me feel better about that other than closing my eyes and hoping really hard.

*(Correlation does not equal causation but after the last two years give me a break here.)

Tom Crean: anti-Brewster. Brewster's twitter machinations establish the TRY FIGHT WIN endpoint of the CFB head coach twitter continuum. And while Crean isn't quite at the Weis point that marks the other end (Went to Bon Jovi concert with son/full stop/advised offensive linemen on awesomest Baskin Robbins flavors/full stop/story continues in next thirty-six tweets/full stop), he's not far off. Watch him bash anonymous opponent skeeze-merchant assistants, then entirely fail to repent and hit up the head men:

“Frankly some of the assistants we go against I wouldnt let valet my car. They either would lose the keys or drive away with it.” – June 29, 3:18 PM

“In all honesty there are some Head coaches that would be the same way. The ones that wake up on 3rd base and think they hit a triple kill me.” – June 29, 3:20 PM

There's no way Crean's talking about anyone related to the Michigan program, which is good and bad.

Broken resistance. Dennis Dodd is already on the list of people who I try not to talk about on the blog because I've already called them horrible names for writing dumb things, but come on:

Given certain NCAA limitations -- talking to you, Trojans -- we're more likely to see a Big 12 North rivalry in Pasadena in the near term (Colorado-Nebraska) than Michigan-USC.

Even if USC is be facing down a two-year bowl ban, they're more likely to to end up in the Rose Bowl than a team that lost to Toledo by 16 and couldn't fire their coach because they didn't have enough money. That's only part of an extended section about how the Rose Bowl is just horrified that Utah might end up in it when the new Rose Bowl contract already all but guaranteed that a mid-major would be selected for the game sometime before 2014.

Dodd then goes on to wildly praise Larry Scott for adding Colorado and Utah to his conference, a move that is extremely debatable financially and athletically, because he had big ideas, and caps that by proposing Big Ten divisions that split Michigan and Ohio State. These are dubbed "lessons."

Skinflint. These numbers on football spending rounded up by Fanhouse and broken down into a convenient Big Ten list by Fight For Iowa…

  1. Ohio State - $32.30 million
  2. Iowa - $26.90 million
  3. Wisconsin - $22.71 million
  4. Penn State - $19.13 million
  5. Michigan - $18.03 million

…are so crazy as to be suspicious. Michigan's enormous renovation of Michigan Stadium was in its first year. They'd just hired Rich Rodriguez , paid most of his buyout, and were still on the hook for the Carr assistants who did not take other jobs. Despite all this, Michigan checks in fifth in Big Ten spending and barely manages half of Ohio State's outlay. Clearly, these numbers all come from a big database and have not been sanity checked. I wouldn't put much faith in them.

Irony ironically un-ironic. This is not ironic:

The major sticking point everyone points to is the quarterback situation. In fact, some people are calling it a disaster. Once you get past the irony of a Michigan blogger calling the Penn State quarterback situation a "disaster", step back and ask yourself, "Is it really that bad?" Yeah, ok, we have to break in a new quarterback this year. Welcome to college football where you have to break in a new quarterback every other year. Lots of teams plug in a new quarterback and have very successful seasons.

Irony is a fanbase that roars when Beaver Stadium's chintzy pregame hype-up declares "WE ARE PENN STATE… AND THEY'RE NOT" perpetually accusing another fanbase of arrogance. (Will Michigan EVER make a bowl again, BSD asks, totally oblivious.) Someone with grand recent experience when it comes to disastrous quarterback situations declaring a setup with a walk-on, a couple true freshmen, and Kevin Newsome—who even BSD admits "looked terrible" in the spring game—is not.

100% committed until tomorrow. An update on the status of 2011 hockey commit Alex Guptill from the man himself:

For the time being, Alex is committed to play for the Waterloo Blackhawks of the United States Hockey League next season before heading to the University of Michigan in the fall of 2011. However, that may or may not change, following his meeting with Stars management in Texas today (June 30).

“Right now, I’m committed 100 per cent to the Waterloo Blackhawks,” Alex said. “I’m looking forward to stepping up in a little bit higher of a league and improving my game.”

Maybe "100 per cent" is not the best thing to immediately follow "right now," but it sounds like Guptill's strong preference is to play for Michigan next year. If the Kings had drafted him, that quote would be reason to worry. Dallas less so. Haven't had an update since, so we'll see.

Slightly good news? I'm not sure how much this helps but it certainly doesn't help. SEMO, one of the schools that's recently run into trouble for violating NCAA practice guidelines in a similar fashion to Michigan, saw an appeal shot down. But in the midst of saying nein they did also say this:

The presence of a coach before or after an otherwise voluntary workout may be inadvertent, or occur with no intent by the coach to confirm the student-athletes’ attendance or to otherwise engage the student- athlete in countable athletically related activities. Thus, while this committee does not set aside this finding, we note that this general statement in the report should not be construed as the mandatory interpretation of the relevant NCAA legislation without reference to coaches’ intent and other pertinent facts in a given case.3

The Bylaw Blog suggests that Michigan may argue that some of the impermissible events were still voluntary, though they'd obviously have to show that the presence of coaching-type folk had a legitimate purpose. Since they've already responded to the NCAA, that's not likely. It may be a further indication that Michigan won't get anything tacked on in August, not that Michigan seems to expect any additions.

Etc.: Six Zero interrogates MGoShoe, the poster with the highest signal to noise ratio in the history of MGoBlog. (SERIOUSLY)

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July 2nd, 2010 at 1:18 PM | Learn something new every day. (Score:1)
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"Signal-to-noise ratio" is sometimes used informally to refer to the ratio of useful information to false or irrelevant data in a conversation or exchange. For example, in online discussion formums and other online communities, off-topic posts and spam are regarded as "noise" that interferes with the "signal" of appropriate discussion.

I did not know this, here I am nerdy engineer thinking about SNR and I didn't know it applied to my MGoBlog experience. I will try to up my Signal level and spam less.

 

Semper Fidelis

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July 2nd, 2010 at 1:19 PM | Ostension, FTW (Score:1)
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they'd obviously have to show that there presence of coaching-type folk had a legitimate purpose

Looks like Brian's been reading Wittgenstein.

This has nothing to do with Michigan football.

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July 2nd, 2010 at 1:22 PM | FWIW, the mods at Rivals have (Score:1)
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FWIW, the mods at Rivals have been adamant that Will Campbell will be backing up Mike Martin at NT in the fall and that Greg Banks will be the starter at 3-tech DT.  They say that Campbell's not ready to start, and they've hinted that the coaches have said so, as well.

Twitter - Recruiting Update: May 21

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July 2nd, 2010 at 1:39 PM | So the 50 lb swing, (Score:1)
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( Campbell's 324 - Bank's 274 ) would put UM at 1778, just below FSU blog's arbitrary threshold for success.

Taking it one week at a time

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July 2nd, 2010 at 2:17 PM | That's where you come in (Score:1)
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I can only go by what the university depth chart and Phil Steele have.  If the starters are incorrect, then I endeavor to get them right.

This certainly has more value in a reflective capacity than a predictive one.  We can go back and see, as I discussed in the article, who ended up playing and how much.  From that we can look at the size of the front seven.  I know FSU fans are excited about getting Bobby out after a decade of nonsense.  Now there is an actual strength program in Tallahassee.  Just look at the results so far in a short amount of time  

The number that the elite defenses eclipse does vary from year to year.  2009 was a smaller year, overall.  2008 was enormous with the BC and Wake Forest monster defenses, along with USC, Florida, UNC, and Bama.

TomahawkNation.com: your home for no-holds-barred analysis of the Florida State Seminoles.

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July 2nd, 2010 at 2:17 PM | Interesting (Score:1)
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I've been operating under the assumption that he would be getting reps at both spots depending on the situation.  Against Wisconsin, for example, I have to imagine that his extra size and strength at the 3-tech would be a big asset.

Then again, I would imagine it largely depends on Grag Banks' progress.

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July 2nd, 2010 at 1:22 PM | $32.30 Million (Score:1)
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So how much of the $32.30 million the Buckeyes spent was on recruiting hostesses?

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July 2nd, 2010 at 1:31 PM | FWIW, (Score:1)
Engin77
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$32.30 million is only 320,00 handshakes, at the going rate of $100 per handshake. This is just over 876 handshakes per day, or 36.5 per hour. Not a large number when you break it down ...

Taking it one week at a time

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July 2nd, 2010 at 2:08 PM | Spending on Stadiums (Score:1)
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I was also kind of curious why  other Big Ten teams, including Michigan, didn't have higher spending.  There have been a lot of stadium renovations going on lately and Iowa's wasn't even that expensive compared to some of the others. 

P.S. Thanks for the link!

The word is Fight, Fight, Fight For Iowa

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July 2nd, 2010 at 2:18 PM | Indiana Coaching Twitter Has Personality Plus (Score:1)
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Between the basketball coach and the baseball coach, they look to be winning the Internet.

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July 2nd, 2010 at 2:43 PM | Them's some big-ass 6th (Score:1)
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Them's some big-ass 6th graders you hang around with...

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July 2nd, 2010 at 5:04 PM | The wierd thing about that picture. (Score:1)
Engin77
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Why are they all wearing #12. Except JoePa, of course.

Taking it one week at a time

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July 2nd, 2010 at 3:28 PM | I think the going to the scales (Score:1)
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to find a determinate for our defense being better in 2010 is a stretch like Brian alluded to.  If WC can get his techniques down and consistently keep his pads down, then it makes a lot of sense to move him to the NT,IMO.  MM moves to the strong side along with whichever moniker they've given to the deathbacker on that edge, and RVB plays over the weak side when down and distance dictates it.

What would be really great is if Patterson turned that freakish athletic ability into production and Banks and Segasse become productive guys on the line that could handle more snaps.  I'm still trying to understand the role of the D line in the 3-3-5.  Are the primarily blockeaters who allow the other 4 guys to make plays, or are we expecting them to provide a pass rush as a 3 man unit in addition to the other 4 guys on the front 7?  I'm still not convinced that a 3-3-5 will work consistently against power run formations with multiple tight ends, etc.  This is why I miss G.

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July 2nd, 2010 at 3:33 PM | Black Shoe Diaries is a (Score:1)
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Black Shoe Diaries is a mirthless cave

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July 2nd, 2010 at 4:22 PM | PSU and its fans/alums would (Score:1)
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PSU and its fans/alums would be 100% awesome if they weren't allowed on the internet.

Harvard: The MICHIGAN of the East

We're not arrogant, we're just better.

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July 2nd, 2010 at 5:07 PM | Very true! (Score:1)
Engin77
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Every Penn State fan I know personally is rational and well-balanced.
The anonymous Penn State fans on-line are, generally, the opposite.

Taking it one week at a time

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July 2nd, 2010 at 3:41 PM | D-line (Score:1)
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Photobucket

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July 2nd, 2010 at 7:52 PM | Defensive Size (Score:1)
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Bud's analysis is begging for a scatterplot and some linear modeling. I'd be happy to do it if someone can point me to the raw data he's using.

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July 4th, 2010 at 10:59 AM | Newsome? Beaver? (Score:1)
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glad to hear Newsome sucks, especially after he bolted from us.  How did Shavodrick Beaver do this year?  how does he look?

Michigan Man

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July 6th, 2010 at 8:20 AM | Bigger (Score:1)
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So bigger IS better after all.  Bah!

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